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Post by 8 Bit WWBG on Feb 14, 2016 10:50:12 GMT -5
...:::"The question is, will you let others' prejudices dictate your actions? That is what weare all acaccountable for, our own action. Not others'.":::...
I want to be in a position to tell society to shove it and proudly parade Y'Alljealous and Bozo around. I'd certainly try to find a middle ground. But if it really came down to a point where the health of my company as a whole is at risk due to perception, I'm going to have to weigh that seriously and act accordingly. Principles are great and all, but neither I nor my employees can pay their expenses with moral superiority.
Maybe it isn't even race. Maybe it is a great worker with personal problems whose drama is polluting the environment. Maybe two employees dated and had a toxic breakup and now they are hurting the team.
I'd feel awful about it, and I would hate myself for it. But this is the sort of crap you put up with when you wear the Daddy (or Mommy) pants. Don't want to deal with it? Stay in the safe zone.
And hey, sometimes it isn't about race, gender, name... For example, many places have business casual as a normal dress code, unless you are meeting with a client. Then you dress up. You WANT to believe that the person's merits can speak for themselves. But most people just don't work that way.
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Post by Deleted on Feb 14, 2016 11:11:08 GMT -5
Anyone that wants to be treated serious and is named Y'alljealous or Bozo needs to call themselves something else. It is not discriminatory to think that if they aren't willing to call themselves something else they shouldn't be taken seriously.Y'alljealous could take the nickname Ali and Bozo could be Zoey or Bob. After a certain age it is a choice what you are called. I once called my daughter's work asking for her by her full first name and was told no one by that name worked there. When I said the short version of her name they instantly knew who I was talking about. Y'Alljealous and Bozo are the extremes that this has been taken to. If you read the start of the thread the names were Hershey, Sparkle, Misty and Bobbi Jo. Those names are only different, not ridiculous. The fact that we have even gotten to a place where Bobbi Jo is being compared to Bozo should show the prejudice I am identifying.
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Post by milee on Feb 14, 2016 11:20:48 GMT -5
Anyone that wants to be treated serious and is named Y'alljealous or Bozo needs to call themselves something else. It is not discriminatory to think that if they aren't willing to call themselves something else they shouldn't be taken seriously.Y'alljealous could take the nickname Ali and Bozo could be Zoey or Bob. After a certain age it is a choice what you are called. I once called my daughter's work asking for her by her full first name and was told no one by that name worked there. When I said the short version of her name they instantly knew who I was talking about. Y'Alljealous and Bozo are the extremes that this has been taken to. If you read the start of the thread the names were Hershey, Sparkle, Misty and Bobbi Jo. Those names are only different, not ridiculous. The fact that we have even gotten to a place where Bobbi Jo is being compared to Bozo should show the prejudice I am identifying.
Man: I'll give you ten million dollars to sleep with me. Interested? Woman: Ten million dollars? Um, I guess. Not something I'd normally do, but that's a lot of money. Hm. OK. Man: Will you sleep with me for $10? Woman: You jerk! What do you think I am?!? Man: We have already established what you are. Now we're just haggling over the price.
So it's OK to suspect that Bozo and Y'Alljealous might have been raised in households that had ghetto parents and values, but if you suspect the same thing about Dahomey or Bobbi Jo you're just racist.
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Post by Tiny on Feb 14, 2016 11:27:36 GMT -5
Husband runs some workshops for the older kids in the winter to teach some basic tools and Mason's skills. One of the moms asked if her 20 yr old could come, sure. He has started his own contracting business, flipped a house on his own! Some small jobs. He is very religious and a sweet soul, volunteers a lot. But husband was trying to explain why naming his business Building for Yahweh, might not be the most effective move. It was a challenging conversation I take it, but reality is when someone hands you that business card, the name matters. Yeah, I would assume recovering drug addict if I saw that (or religious kook who will try to recruit me) no thanks. I would rather deal with someone with a ghetto name. Yeah, if this was a contractor in my area - I'd bypass it... just because along with all the other baggage a single woman has with choosing who to 'invite' into her home... I'd probably have to have an uncomfortable discussion about gods. Either I'd have to "fake" being religious (and bite my tongue a lot) or 'fess up to being an Atheist (or Secular Humanist) and get the "you will Burn in Hell!" look. Now, if I happened to live in an area where it was more common for businesses to have obvious religious name themes (no matter what the religion) I'd probably not think twice about calling Building for Yahweh for a quote... Maybe that's one of the issues with this discussion... is what the name of the 'applicant' sez about the social/cultural background of the area where the employer is located.
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Post by Deleted on Feb 14, 2016 11:30:03 GMT -5
I was actually agreeing with hickle's point that someone that goes by bozo or y'alljealous isn't showing good judgement. And yes, it is okay to assume that of them more than a Dahomey or Bobbi Jo. Just because you take the example to the ridiculous extremes does not mean we have to agree that they are all ridiculous extremes. Baron, North, Apple...unique names are not the exclusive practise of the poor.
BTW, just for the record, I haven't been thrilled letting the continued use of ghetto parents and ghetto values being used as the derogatory term it's being used as.
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Post by Deleted on Feb 14, 2016 11:31:26 GMT -5
Anyone that wants to be treated serious and is named Y'alljealous or Bozo needs to call themselves something else. It is not discriminatory to think that if they aren't willing to call themselves something else they shouldn't be taken seriously.Y'alljealous could take the nickname Ali and Bozo could be Zoey or Bob. After a certain age it is a choice what you are called. I once called my daughter's work asking for her by her full first name and was told no one by that name worked there. When I said the short version of her name they instantly knew who I was talking about. Y'Alljealous and Bozo are the extremes that this has been taken to. If you read the start of the thread the names were Hershey, Sparkle, Misty and Bobbi Jo. Those names are only different, not ridiculous. The fact that we have even gotten to a place where Bobbi Jo is being compared to Bozo should show the prejudice I am identifying. Still what name you introduce yourself by is your choice. I think it is fair for employers to judge people by the choices they make. Sparkle sounds like a stripper name. There is nothing wrong with expecting people to overcome dumb choices their parents made. You can't dress like a stripper for a job interview and expect good results. Likewise someone should not introduce themselves by a stripper name. it might not be fair, but it is so easily overcome that it should be expected by employers who care about things like that. i don't know about Bobbi Jo, but if I met a woman named Bobby, it would probably subliminally make me think smart or caring or hot or something like that.
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Post by tractor on Feb 14, 2016 11:36:07 GMT -5
I was watching an old Bones program last night. The computer gal was pregnant and her hippy-Dippy Dad showed up and had an vision of what their baby should be named. He picked the name Stacatto Mambo......does anyone possibly see anything wrong with that name vs. the one the parents had picked out, being Michael Vincent?
If HR is looking at 2 very similar resumes, I too say the one that wins has a name that doesn't need to be sounded out to figure out what the persons name is and how to pronounce it. The "hippy dad" is the bass player for ZZ Top, they don't get any cooler than that.
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Post by zibazinski on Feb 14, 2016 11:38:10 GMT -5
Both. But until the businesses are run by those that embrace these new values and those who do business with them agree to it, it is what it is. You can't eat your principles
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Post by Tiny on Feb 14, 2016 11:38:58 GMT -5
Well when you take the plunge and open Rukh, Inc. you can be as capricious as you want, too. And you, Bozo and Y'Alljealous can eat all the cake you want. Because running a business is all cake and happiness.
Or... you may find that since you're selling a service to customers and customers have certain expectations of the professionals that they interact with, that you might want your employees to have certain professional tendencies and appearances. It's fantastic to be self-righteous and poetic when it comes to ideals and other people's money; you will find when it comes to your own business you sometimes have to be realistic and practical. Bozo and Y'Alljealous may be beautiful and culturally appropriate names but might not convey the right message when you feature them as your top employee consultants at your statistical research business.
Did you never consider that your biases on reading the name on the resume is actually not who that person is - and if you don't interview them - your assumptions are never questioned? When hiring people - as I have in my last few positions, the focus is on selecting interviewees bases on the needed qualifications and how well the resume match those. Several aspects of the visual appeal of the resume is also considered as we send reports out constantly and the resume will show a little of their discernment in that area. Then, in the interview the goal is to verify those qualification with strategic questioning while assessing potential team fit. After interviewing a number of candidates, there is a contrast and compare of the candidates as we consider who will be one. Typically each one has strengths and weaknesses vis a vis the needed qualifications. The candidate with the best fit is offered the job. But frequently, what one finds is that they are excellent in one area, but not so great in another and may need some mentoring. The ENTIRE point is that we don't just offer the job to Y'Alljealous, but neither do we toss her resume in the garbage. If the qualifications look like what we need, I will arrange an interview. If Y'Alljealous has the best profile of experience and abilities, performs well during the interview and seems a good team fit, she'll get the offer. It's really not that hard. What if you DON"T have an HR department and you DON"T have a dedicated person on staff to handle the paperwork/leg work/phonecalls etc for hiring. What if you have 10 or 20 candidates that have the qualifications you need? Do you really have the HOURS to dedicate to the initial phone call interviews to narrow down the field (there's a bias right there - you may be biased by their speech/voice/use of language). Do you have the HOURS to dedicate to then setting up actual in person interviews with the 5 to 10 applicants you THINK might be a good fit? This whole process could suck up several weeks of someone's time (and the money associated with it). I think it's harder/more expensive for smaller employers to NOT be biased in some way. They have limited time and limited money to throw at the hiring process. It doesn't make it right - it's just the reality of the situation. I think maybe having the hiring manager BE AWARE of their own biases is what would make the difference. In that moment of 'snap judgement' being aware of what might be influencing their 'snap judgement' could make a difference who they ultimately hire (maybe give the person who pushes all their 'bias' buttons a chance. Besides, aren't there studies that show that managers tend to hire people who look like, act like, maybe even think like themselves?
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Post by Deleted on Feb 14, 2016 11:39:44 GMT -5
Not if Sparkle has an engineering degree, then it's an engineer's name.
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Post by zibazinski on Feb 14, 2016 11:39:44 GMT -5
I was watching an old Bones program last night. The computer gal was pregnant and her hippy-Dippy Dad showed up and had an vision of what their baby should be named. He picked the name Stacatto Mambo......does anyone possibly see anything wrong with that name vs. the one the parents had picked out, being Michael Vincent?
If HR is looking at 2 very similar resumes, I too say the one that wins has a name that doesn't need to be sounded out to figure out what the persons name is and how to pronounce it. The "hippy dad" is the bass player for ZZ Top, they don't get any cooler than that. Very true but what if he'd wanted to be a CPA?
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Post by Deleted on Feb 14, 2016 11:42:45 GMT -5
I love how you word that. That is why I keep harping on the subject.
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Post by Deleted on Feb 14, 2016 11:46:47 GMT -5
Not if Sparkle has an engineering degree, then it's an engineer's name. Dress up like a hobo and go to work. Since you are a professional tell people that is a professional look. Sparkle sounds like a stripper name.
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Post by Tiny on Feb 14, 2016 11:50:00 GMT -5
We all have to be rich, heterosexual, middle aged white men to succeed. Or mimic them. Don't act like women, or people of colour, or LGBT, or any other diverse persona. I see you've worked for large established corporate America companies. You should be very aware of the need to 'conform' at work... To be honest, my employer does require a 'level of professionalism' at work. They have policies for encouraging diversity in hiring (in other words if you are qualified for the job religion, 'race', sexual orientation, etc, don't matter. You just can't bring it to work. You can't proselytize at work, you can't be a bigot, you can't hit on your coworkers (no matter WHAT your sexual orientation). We have a dress code that's enforced (you need to cover up your tattoos and remove your piercing jewelry -- and only women can have pierced ears - and then only 1 earing per ear. long hair on guys - not so much... ) We're all about diversity - BUT you need to conform while at work.
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Post by milee on Feb 14, 2016 11:55:03 GMT -5
I was actually agreeing with hickle's point that someone that goes by bozo or y'alljealous isn't showing good judgement. And yes, it is okay to assume that of them more than a Dahomey or Bobbi Jo. Just because you take the example to the ridiculous extremes does not mean we have to agree that they are all ridiculous extremes. Baron, North, Apple...unique names are not the exclusive practise of the poor. BTW, just for the record, I haven't been thrilled letting the continued use of ghetto parents and ghetto values being used as the derogatory term it's being used as. Just because I haven't used the name "Apple" as an example doesn't mean I'd think positively about it if it appeared on a resume. FWIW, if I were concerned about an applicant being a PITA and bringing drama or lack of understanding of work ethic into a business, I'd rank Apple, Baron and Dahomey as people equally likely to have issues. Those names are all chosen by parents trying to send a message and as an employer I'd be concerned about what that message was. As described in my post about the what I would actually do as an employer (as opposed to most of the other posts where I was describing how I've seen other corporate employers do things), none of those names would make me throw a resume away but if I had similarly qualified candidates that had names that didn't immediately suggest they had grown up in families that might not teach their kids the things I'd want them to know to be good employees I'd interview the other candidates first.
I agree with the objection to the use of "ghetto" since it could be taken as implying a racial link and I've been clear that's not the issue. If you have a phrase that better represents the concept, I'm open to it.
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Post by Deleted on Feb 14, 2016 11:56:07 GMT -5
We all have to be rich, heterosexual, middle aged white men to succeed. Or mimic them. Don't act like women, or people of colour, or LGBT, or any other diverse persona. I see you've worked for large established corporate America companies. You should be very aware of the need to 'conform' at work... To be honest, my employer does require a 'level of professionalism' at work. They have policies for encouraging diversity in hiring (in other words if you are qualified for the job religion, 'race', sexual orientation, etc, don't matter. You just can't bring it to work. You can't proselytize at work, you can't be a bigot, you can't hit on your coworkers (no matter WHAT your sexual orientation). We have a dress code that's enforced (you need to cover up your tattoos and remove your piercing jewelry -- and only women can have pierced ears - and then only 1 earing per ear. long hair on guys - not so much... ) We're all about diversity - BUT you need to conform while at work. That makes sense to me. Employers want diversity of thought and experience, but they want the job tode done within specs. It is the middle path. It also respects people's rights to be who they want off clock, but company people on clock.
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Post by Tiny on Feb 14, 2016 11:57:17 GMT -5
Anyone that wants to be treated serious and is named Y'alljealous or Bozo needs to call themselves something else. It is not discriminatory to think that if they aren't willing to call themselves something else they shouldn't be taken seriously.Y'alljealous could take the nickname Ali and Bozo could be Zoey or Bob. After a certain age it is a choice what you are called. I once called my daughter's work asking for her by her full first name and was told no one by that name worked there. When I said the short version of her name they instantly knew who I was talking about. Most people use their full name on resumes and job applications, though. There's no way to know if they willingly go by a nickname unless it comes up during a job interview, which means that you need to give them a chance first. Yes the full name is there - but it is possible to work in what name you go by. I've seen it on resumes. I saw something along the lines of First Name "nickname" Last Name on a resume. I'm sure there's other ways to commuticate that you go by "Lana" when your full name is "Svetlana" We ultimately hired the 'nick name' guy (out of a group of 5 finalists).
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Post by chiver78 on Feb 14, 2016 12:09:28 GMT -5
Man: I'll give you ten million dollars to sleep with me. Interested? Woman: Ten million dollars? Um, I guess. Not something I'd normally do, but that's a lot of money. Hm. OK. Man: Will you sleep with me for $10? Woman: You jerk! What do you think I am?!? Man: We have already established what you are. Now we're just haggling over the price.
this sounds like a movie I saw back in HS... Indecent Proposal
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Post by Tiny on Feb 14, 2016 12:13:21 GMT -5
What if you DON"T have an HR department and you DON"T have a dedicated person on staff to handle the paperwork/leg work/phonecalls etc for hiring. What if you have 10 or 20 candidates that have the qualifications you need? Do you really have the HOURS to dedicate to the initial phone call interviews to narrow down the field (there's a bias right there - you may be biased by their speech/voice/use of language). Do you have the HOURS to dedicate to then setting up actual in person interviews with the 5 to 10 applicants you THINK might be a good fit? This whole process could suck up several weeks of someone's time (and the money associated with it). I think it's harder/more expensive for smaller employers to NOT be biased in some way. They have limited time and limited money to throw at the hiring process. It doesn't make it right - it's just the reality of the situation. I think maybe having the hiring manager BE AWARE of their own biases is what would make the difference. In that moment of 'snap judgement' being aware of what might be influencing their 'snap judgement' could make a difference who they ultimately hire (maybe give the person who pushes all their 'bias' buttons a chance. Besides, aren't there studies that show that managers tend to hire people who look like, act like, maybe even think like themselves? I would prioritize them without regard to demographic assumptions based on their first name. This is getting ridiculous, frankly. It doesn't take any extra time whatsoever. If you are going to interview only 3 people out of 10 potentially qualified candidates, then call 3 people for interviews. If there is absolute no way to differentiate based on the resume, maybe do some quick phone interview with only 5 to narrow it down. And if all else fails - flip a coin. Please explain to me how having 10 potentially qualified people justifies throwing out one resume solely based on a name that is deemed as coming from "the wrong side of the tracks" and saving any time? You still have 9 resumes and 3 interview slots. Coin flips are relatively simple. Want another fair way? List their names in excel in alpha order, and then do a random number generation, and use the random number order to call for interviews. This happens all the time and no one is saying to interview all 10 of them suddenly. Just saying: what if 9 of the names of the potential candidates are more or less typical and the 10th one is Apu Nahasapeemapetilon you've got 3 interview slots to fill. Do you call Apu Nahasapeemapetilon or start with the other names hoping to fill the 3 slots before you have to stumble over the last name? It's hard for humans to overcome Human Nature. I think that's why discussions like this are important. You can't work on overcomeing something you aren't aware of. ADDED: What if one of the applicants is name Y'Alljealous - how long will it take you to say that name in a neutral tone? I can pretty much assure you the person with that name is probably use to hearing the 'laughter' from "certain kinds of people". Do you really want to project that image when you first meet or call them? It's not just the people with weird names that get responses from various categories of "certain kinds of people". I met a Bob Eubanks and opted NOT to comment on his name (I figured I didn't need to be 'clever' as he's probably heard every joke). He was a little taken aback that I didn't launch into an obvious joke about his name. (I'm hoping you ARE NOT a Simpson's fan... )
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Post by Lizard Queen on Feb 14, 2016 12:16:27 GMT -5
I would prioritize them without regard to demographic assumptions based on their first name. This is getting ridiculous, frankly. It doesn't take any extra time whatsoever. If you are going to interview only 3 people out of 10 potentially qualified candidates, then call 3 people for interviews. If there is absolute no way to differentiate based on the resume, maybe do some quick phone interview with only 5 to narrow it down. And if all else fails - flip a coin. Please explain to me how having 10 potentially qualified people justifies throwing out one resume solely based on a name that is deemed as coming from "the wrong side of the tracks" and saving any time? You still have 9 resumes and 3 interview slots. Coin flips are relatively simple. Want another fair way? List their names in excel in alpha order, and then do a random number generation, and use the random number order to call for interviews. This happens all the time and no one is saying to interview all 10 of them suddenly. Just saying: what if 9 of the names of the potential candidates are more or less typical and the 10th one is Apu Nahasapeemapetilon you've got 3 interview slots to fill. Do you call Apu Nahasapeemapetilon or start with the other names hoping to fill the 3 slots before you have to stumble over the last name? It's hard for human's to overcome Human Nature. I think that's why discussions like this are important. You can't work on overcomeing something you aren't aware of. (I'm hoping you ARE NOT a Simpson's fan... ) Wow, that is discriminatory.
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Post by Tiny on Feb 14, 2016 12:25:04 GMT -5
Just saying: what if 9 of the names of the potential candidates are more or less typical and the 10th one is Apu Nahasapeemapetilon you've got 3 interview slots to fill. Do you call Apu Nahasapeemapetilon or start with the other names hoping to fill the 3 slots before you have to stumble over the last name? It's hard for human's to overcome Human Nature. I think that's why discussions like this are important. You can't work on overcomeing something you aren't aware of. (I'm hoping you ARE NOT a Simpson's fan... ) Wow, that is discriminatory. you are a better person than I am... I'd opt to avoid the embarrassment of saying the name wrong the first time. Maybe I just have less experience/social skills when dealing with this kind of situation... and learning how to navigate coping with the situation would remove my embarrassment. I did kind of assume that other people would not happily plow into what could be an awkward situation.
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Post by Deleted on Feb 14, 2016 12:32:29 GMT -5
Y'alljealous and Bozo are stupid names and anyone is an adult and goes by one of those names deserves to be discriminated against. They are not cultural names. If I were to meet someone and he had a big round red fake nose on himself I would think he was a dumbass. I would think the same thing if he literally called himself by a clown name. It is 100% choice how you introduce yourself. Maybe when it comes to filiing specific things you need to put your actual name, but at that point you can say you don't know why your parents named you that, but you do not go by that name.
I worked with a Charlie, who hated to be called Charles. I lived with a Debbie who hated to be called Debra. People get to choose what they are called.
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Post by Deleted on Feb 14, 2016 12:34:45 GMT -5
We all have to be rich, heterosexual, middle aged white men to succeed. Or mimic them. Don't act like women, or people of colour, or LGBT, or any other diverse persona. I see you've worked for large established corporate America companies. You should be very aware of the need to 'conform' at work... To be honest, my employer does require a 'level of professionalism' at work. They have policies for encouraging diversity in hiring (in other words if you are qualified for the job religion, 'race', sexual orientation, etc, don't matter. You just can't bring it to work. You can't proselytize at work, you can't be a bigot, you can't hit on your coworkers (no matter WHAT your sexual orientation). We have a dress code that's enforced (you need to cover up your tattoos and remove your piercing jewelry -- and only women can have pierced ears - and then only 1 earing per ear. long hair on guys - not so much... ) We're all about diversity - BUT you need to conform while at work. LOL No contradiction there. Can people wear turbans or saris? Does everyone have to wear some version of the dark coloured business suit?
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Post by Deleted on Feb 14, 2016 12:37:35 GMT -5
Y'alljealous and Bozo are stupid names and anyone is an adult and goes by one of those names deserves to be discriminated against. They are not cultural names. If I were to meet someone and he had a big round red fake nose on himself I would think he was a dumbass. I would think the same thing if he literally called himself by a clown name. It is 100% choice how you introduce yourself. Maybe when it comes to filiing specific things you need to put your actual name, but at that point you can say you don't know why your parents named you that, but you do not go by that name. I worked with a Charlie, who hated to be called Charles. I lived with a Debbie who hated to be called Debra. People get to choose what they are called. For the record, there is no one actually named Bozo and Y'alljealous is still in daycare. Do you think Misty and Hershey deserve to be discriminated against?
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Post by 8 Bit WWBG on Feb 14, 2016 12:37:58 GMT -5
...:::"Not if Sparkle has an engineering degree, then it's an engineer's name.":::...
Can't it be both? Maybe Sparkle put herself through engineering school by stripping? And maybe her act involves her starting in a graduation cap and gown?
...:::"This is some shadowy "them" "out there" that may have a problem with merely seeing the name IY'alljealous on your company's website. WHO is that person? And who is it that allows that shadow to dictate that it is somehow justifiable to throw someone's resume - a well-done resume, demonstrating the required skills, education, and such - into the trash without even giving them a chance to come in and demonstrate their command of the queen's english?":::...
Well now if I'm going to do this, I wouldn't do it because of the unknown. If my existing business relationship with the firm of Worthington and Smythe would be harmed to the point of the company being at risk due to my bringing Bozo and Da'homey on board to work their account, then yeah I have to give pause.
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Post by Lizard Queen on Feb 14, 2016 12:39:38 GMT -5
Wow, that is discriminatory. you are a better person than I am... I'd opt to avoid the embarrassment of saying the name wrong the first time. Maybe I just have less experience/social skills when dealing with this kind of situation... and learning how to navigate coping with the situation would remove my embarrassment. I did kind of assume that other people would not happily plow into what could be an awkward situation. I wouldn't say that I'm a better person, but doing that results in a clear-cut case of discrimination. My experience with hard ethnic names is that people are very understanding and many readily offer up a much easier name you can call them instead. (I'm thinking of a Chinese tenant I had. Couldn't even begin to tell you what his actual name was, but he went by George.)
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Post by milee on Feb 14, 2016 12:43:36 GMT -5
Y'alljealous and Bozo are stupid names and anyone is an adult and goes by one of those names deserves to be discriminated against. They are not cultural names. If I were to meet someone and he had a big round red fake nose on himself I would think he was a dumbass. I would think the same thing if he literally called himself by a clown name. It is 100% choice how you introduce yourself. Maybe when it comes to filiing specific things you need to put your actual name, but at that point you can say you don't know why your parents named you that, but you do not go by that name. I worked with a Charlie, who hated to be called Charles. I lived with a Debbie who hated to be called Debra. People get to choose what they are called. For the record, there is no one actually named Bozo and Y'alljealous is still in daycare. Do you think Misty and Hershey deserve to be discriminated against? Rukh knew a Bozo, so he's out there somewhere. Do you really think customers will use a random number generator or coin flip when choosing which consulting company or service provider to hire? Say a potential client goes to the Rukh Inc website and discovers that besides the prioprietor, the other two consultants are Misty Dahomey Hills and Hershey Sparkle, both of whom have stellar qualifications as do all the competing consultants at similar firms. Do you really think the customer will simply nod, place this company in the list of potential vendors and then do a coin toss or random number generator tool to determine which company to hire?
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Post by Deleted on Feb 14, 2016 12:43:57 GMT -5
Y'alljealous and Bozo are stupid names and anyone is an adult and goes by one of those names deserves to be discriminated against. They are not cultural names. If I were to meet someone and he had a big round red fake nose on himself I would think he was a dumbass. I would think the same thing if he literally called himself by a clown name. It is 100% choice how you introduce yourself. Maybe when it comes to filiing specific things you need to put your actual name, but at that point you can say you don't know why your parents named you that, but you do not go by that name. I worked with a Charlie, who hated to be called Charles. I lived with a Debbie who hated to be called Debra. People get to choose what they are called. For the record, there is no one actually named Bozo and Y'alljealous is still in daycare. Do you think Misty and Hershey deserve to be discriminated against? I wouldn't knowingly discriminate against them based on name. If it happens I think it is kind of crappy for them. If my name were Hershey, I would go by something else because I think my life would be better by doing so.
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Post by Tiny on Feb 14, 2016 12:46:09 GMT -5
What's that old saying, don't name your kid something you couldn't imagine the Chief Justice reading out during your presidential swearing in. "Repeat after me, I Y'alljealous Dahomey Jones, do swear to uphold..." "Repeat after me, I Sparkle Candy Smith, do swear to uphold..." IDK, the more times I see Y'Alljealous and say it in my head - it gets less weird and out there. I'm ok with "Sparkle" as a name - since I immediately think: female professional office workers in a big city in a Pacific Rim country.... (so someone I have some things in common with even if we don't look the same )
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Post by Tiny on Feb 14, 2016 12:56:59 GMT -5
I see you've worked for large established corporate America companies. You should be very aware of the need to 'conform' at work... To be honest, my employer does require a 'level of professionalism' at work. They have policies for encouraging diversity in hiring (in other words if you are qualified for the job religion, 'race', sexual orientation, etc, don't matter. You just can't bring it to work. You can't proselytize at work, you can't be a bigot, you can't hit on your coworkers (no matter WHAT your sexual orientation). We have a dress code that's enforced (you need to cover up your tattoos and remove your piercing jewelry -- and only women can have pierced ears - and then only 1 earing per ear. long hair on guys - not so much... ) We're all about diversity - BUT you need to conform while at work. LOL No contradiction there. Can people wear turbans or saris? Does everyone have to wear some version of the dark coloured business suit?Ha Haven't seen a turban - but a bunch of years ago I did have a project manager who often wore a sari to the office. She'd dress according to what was on her daily docket - if it was a big meeting with the 'important people' she'd wear a 'power suit' - if she was meeting with and managing the 'team' she'd wear a sari. We've had women wear various versions of 'head coverings' as well.... some of them wore more colorful outfits and scarves - while others stuck with more subdued colors. There are a couple of guys who wear yamaka? (didn't look up the spelling). I know some of the Muslims went to pray each day and that some of the Jews worked around sunrise and sunset times (I'm not caffeinated enough to get this totally right...) These were IT/Accounting people so the time shift in working hours or being away from the office for a short time at predictable times wasn't a big problem. It was always low key. I'm sure there's still people doing this - it's just not something I notice these days....
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