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Post by mary2029 on Jan 31, 2021 13:23:53 GMT -5
I'm sorry to interrupt your thought process, but I feel like I missed something big with Peacock (and I don't remember when you started calling her that, either. maybe it was around my first move in the spring..?). I went back a few pages in here, and nothing jumped out at me. what was the big thing? and, I'll echo jerseygirl. can you find another spot within the company? We were split shifts for a bit which if it had continued would have prevented what happened. Peacock resented it because she had to work. NOTHING got done. My manager got frustrated to the point they had a fight in the parking lot. For failure to manage her work we went back to normal and were told how the attempt to manage risk was a privilege we couldn't handle. All thanks to Peacock. Her ability to manage work has been according to the grapevine been a long term problem. Instead of addressing that my manager made it personal to the point of harassment. Peacock went to HR which was fair. HR instead of investigating and addressing both sides of the coin had made Peacock untouchable. Manager cannot address anything regarding Peacock because Peacock can now claim harassment. The result has been for the past two months Peacock has done NO work and instead struts around criticizing everyone who actually does the work. She bullies the shit out of new guy he's her personal bitch lately. Manager now also does nothing but hide in her office in a passive aggressive move to punish all of us. She doesn't answer questions, won't support me trying to deal with IT or anything managerial related and we've been thrown in the fire regarding stuff he and I have zero experience in. But heaven help us if we screw up. They've always hated each other I've had people confirm that. But outside an occasional outburst they kept it contained. Now it's all hanging out and the children are suffering. It's so toxic you can feel it in the air. Document all these incidents and if it impacts your work negatively, send an email to HR so YOU can be untouchable. Don't disregard HR so quickly, they are likely still gathering evidence. Your manager likely is also.
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Post by NomoreDramaQ1015 on Jan 31, 2021 13:25:14 GMT -5
Yeah. They weren't this bad when I started and I dealt with worse. I could ignore the occasional pout fest
But this is ridiculous. That's on top of an ever increasing workload.
The disregard for our well being in regards to COVID is what pushed me up and over the edge.
I may have just stayed mad at Peacock if manager hadn't thrown in her two cents.
I don't want to work for a company with this attitude. I don't want to be at a place that lets this level of drama fester.
I wasn't planning on staying forever anyway. DH is the one that still clings to the job lifer ideal. I got too much time left to become stagnant. It's also not how the world works. Adapting was a necessity at the university now I'm doing it by choice.
It's just now it's personal. I need to decide what to do in regards to my timeline. Right now three more years fills me with rage but that is likely the COVID trauma talking.
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Post by NomoreDramaQ1015 on Jan 31, 2021 13:30:17 GMT -5
I have my work hidey hole. It's not as good as the animal room was but it's work nobody else wants so they leave me alone.
I've pushed back on Peacock. She unfortunately takes it out on new guy, to whom I've apologized, but she is going to learn boundaries.
This is a whole new field for me so I am gaining an entirely different skill set on top of industry experience.
Which is why I lean towards my original timeline unless something I can't pass up appears in the near future. The company sucks but what I get is good for my resume.
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Post by NomoreDramaQ1015 on Jan 31, 2021 13:30:28 GMT -5
I have my work hidey hole. It's not as good as the animal room was but it's work nobody else wants so they leave me alone.
I've pushed back on Peacock. She unfortunately takes it out on new guy, to whom I've apologized, but she is going to learn boundaries.
This is a whole new field for me so I am gaining an entirely different skill set on top of industry experience.
Which is why I lean towards my original timeline unless something I can't pass up appears in the near future. The company sucks but what I get is good for my resume.
I also need to talk to my dad about learning more how to run things. I can be a front manager with my eyes closed.
However I'm weak in the kitchen area. I started with grandpa years ago but life happened and the original location closed after Abby was born.
I also know nothing about being an owner. I suggested dad remain owner to help with all the stuff I'm weak on but I take over physically managing the place. Then he's free to live retirement life while making money and I get to do what truly makes me happy.
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Post by NomoreDramaQ1015 on Jan 31, 2021 13:42:00 GMT -5
We've only been open a year and a half. Before that it had been years since I worked there.
I enjoy it. Especially now that I don't have to wait tables I just do counter service.
While everything comes with bull shit I've realized I'm truly happy at the restuarant. I love my job. I want to keep it forever.
That means eventually managing it.
I can't quit now our finances need to much fixing. However in 3 to 4 years I can consider the massive drop in income. My salary here makes that happen faster.
My debate is stay put and see what happens before jumping ship or take a more zig zag route with potentially another job in between.
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Post by mary2029 on Jan 31, 2021 13:45:43 GMT -5
If I was you, I would still look for other opportunities due to the "team" you are working with. BUT, the good thing is you are learning and growing in your current job.
Being an adult sucks, doesn't it?
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Post by raeoflyte on Jan 31, 2021 13:46:12 GMT -5
So timeline is 2 years here, 5 month gap, and then 5 years at the last job? That doesnt sound concerning. Ask a manager warns about staying at jobs that warp your sense of normal work boundaries and how that will affect future jobs. I'd absolutely look and apply aggressively , but really try to be picky about where you land.
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Post by NomoreDramaQ1015 on Jan 31, 2021 13:58:42 GMT -5
So timeline is 2 years here, 5 month gap, and then 5 years at the last job? That doesnt sound concerning. Ask a manager warns about staying at jobs that warp your sense of normal work boundaries and how that will affect future jobs. I'd absolutely look and apply aggressively , but really try to be picky about where you land. Yeah my first interview question is going to be "I brought these papers I stapled how does it make you feel?"🤣 I'm leaning towards setting up alerts for the two companies I'm interested in for now. If things start to degrade further then cast my net out farther in earnest. Meanwhile milk this job and genuinely not care. I won't do a bad job but if I never say two words outside of tasks that need done to manager or Peacock I'm cool with that.
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Post by steph08 on Jan 31, 2021 14:24:10 GMT -5
If I were you, I'd start looking. And I'd get in contact with that company that contacted you last week. It never hurts to reach out again.
I started at my current job 4 years ago. 2 years ago, we got a new marketing director who flattened our structure and made us all report to her. She was a witch to everyone and treated us all like dirt. Two people went to HR. The entire department had to have an "airing of grievances" with HR. She somehow found out about it and brought it up to everyone on 1-on-1 meetings, even though she wasn't supposed to discuss it with us.
I had had it. I was done. I wasn't being yelled at and being told that something I wrote "made her want to puke" and "embarrassed that anyone outside this team has read this" and then being told it was wonderful after I changed one sentence. ONE SENTENCE on a whole page of text. And a whole list of other crap.
I interviewed for and got another job - so it was 9 years at my original job out of college, then would have left my new job after 2 years.
The new company didn't seem concerned about my short stint at current job.
Anyways, I never did go to the new company. I gave my two weeks notice on a Friday. On Monday, horrible boss was laid off, along with four other people from our department.
I was asked to stay, which I hemmed and hawed about for a week and finally decided to stay. I don't know if I burned the bridge at the other company, they basically said good for me about the salary I was given to stay, so maybe it will be a possibility in the future if I want to leave again.
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Post by azucena on Jan 31, 2021 15:35:03 GMT -5
Drama - my outside view on your situation is that you are trying to plan too much. I'm usually guilty of that too.
I think you should watch job openings and apply to any that might work and see what happens. You're getting ahead of yourself on if you'll be seen as job hopping. You can only see what prospective employers think by putting your resume out there. Then you need to get an interview and have a good answer ready and go from there.
I don't think you burned a bridge on the prior opening. Just follow up now and ask. Seems it was half on them for not setting a firm time.
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Post by flamingo on Feb 1, 2021 11:04:57 GMT -5
I think it can't hurt to look. Put your resume out there for jobs that look interesting. You never know what will happen. And I really hate the "job hopping" narrative. In general, not directed at you NomoreDramaQ1015. Sure, there's something to it, but I think we put a lot of pressure on ourselves to not look like job hoppers when what we are really doing is trying to get out of toxic environments. I know you've had experiences where employers have told you that you don't have the right experience (academia vs industry) or employers have said you look like a job hopper, but if that's really a big deal to an employer, they'll just not look at your resume. I put a lot of this pressure on myself. And you know what? In only 1 interview in the past 5 years has anyone asked me about it. I read all sorts of internet advice about how long you should be at a job, but in my actual experience, that's never been a problem. I still put this pressure on myself to stay at a job that I'm ready to move on from so I don't look like a job hopper. And I still worry in every interview I have someone will ask about it. But in reality that isn't happening at the level my anxiety tells me it will. Anyway, I think you should apply to anything that looks interesting. Sure, they may tell you that they think you are a job hopper or that you don't have the right experience. But you won't know that for sure until you apply. And while job searching/applying can be soul sucking, it also doesn't actually take that long in the scheme of things to send out a few resumes. And who knows? You find that unicorn job yet!
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Post by shanendoah on Feb 1, 2021 11:28:04 GMT -5
NomoreDramaQ1015 - I've got lots of suggestions for you, but the number one thing is for you to change your mindset about your career in medical research, and that is to recognize that it is NO LONGER your career. It is a stop gap measure until you can start following the career path your really want, restaurant management. Stop thinking about how what moves you make now will look on your resume down the line, because this line of work will not matter down the line.
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Post by NomoreDramaQ1015 on Feb 1, 2021 12:03:07 GMT -5
I sent out a message to the company. I said I understand they've likely moved on at this point but that I wanted to let them know I did not flake. It was a series of unfortunate events the last couple of weeks. I am still interested in their company and hope I'll still be considered for any other positions I may apply for.
I figure that is good and gives me some closure. Either they reach out or don't it is what it is last couple of weeks have been a complete cluster, just need to dust myself off and move forward.
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Post by swamp on Feb 1, 2021 15:12:14 GMT -5
It’s not job hopping if you’re going up the ladder. Fuck your current employer. Go find something else.
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Post by raeoflyte on Feb 3, 2021 8:09:19 GMT -5
Finally talked to my boss today because I havent been getting my bonus which is 1/4th to 1/3rd of my income. She didn't realize that had happened with the job/title change and will get it corrected.
But I have a choice to make going forward. Currently my base pay is higher than most people in my new role. I can keep the higher base and take a lower bonus (which is actually my current bonus), or I can lower my base by $20k and double my bonus. Based on our 2020 #'s I would come out $5k ahead to take the latter. 2021 is projected to continue like 2020 plus some and so far we are. After that its anybody's guess, but I expect it to be less.
I had been leaning toward the latter. That $5k isn't a huge upside, but this year is likely to be higher. I don't like being a big expense on low revenue months. I don't want to set myself into a worse situation when volume drops, but I feel like we'll be reinventing my role later anyway and I am also kicking myself for always taking the safe route and leaving money on the table.
When I eventually get licensed, if I have my own business come in, I can negotiate to get paid on that as well where the lower base would help. But I have no plans to build up significant if any of my own business.
Wwyd? Thoughts?
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Post by stillmovingforward on Feb 5, 2021 12:47:29 GMT -5
I applied for a new job last night. I like my current company but their compensation is just ok. And while I like the people, I find their relaxed view of getting things done not a good fit with my character. Im a bit to intense for them and have to remind myself constantly to dial it back. I already recieved an email back requesting a good time for a call and preliminary interview.
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Post by oped on Feb 8, 2021 16:19:57 GMT -5
I have been looking at jobs for a bit now. Its really a little early for next year's teaching positions to be out, but there was something elsewhere that caught my attention so I called and talked to the person about it and then applied. I guess we will see if I get an interview.
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Post by Rukh O'Rorke on Feb 8, 2021 17:30:24 GMT -5
Finally talked to my boss today because I havent been getting my bonus which is 1/4th to 1/3rd of my income. She didn't realize that had happened with the job/title change and will get it corrected. But I have a choice to make going forward. Currently my base pay is higher than most people in my new role. I can keep the higher base and take a lower bonus (which is actually my current bonus), or I can lower my base by $20k and double my bonus. Based on our 2020 #'s I would come out $5k ahead to take the latter. 2021 is projected to continue like 2020 plus some and so far we are. After that its anybody's guess, but I expect it to be less. I had been leaning toward the latter. That $5k isn't a huge upside, but this year is likely to be higher. I don't like being a big expense on low revenue months. I don't want to set myself into a worse situation when volume drops, but I feel like we'll be reinventing my role later anyway and I am also kicking myself for always taking the safe route and leaving money on the table. When I eventually get licensed, if I have my own business come in, I can negotiate to get paid on that as well where the lower base would help. But I have no plans to build up significant if any of my own business. Wwyd? Thoughts? how long will you be there and how much confidence do you have in the company? One thing I found is that the bonus pool is easily manipulated. If there is a lot of money, top brass can choose to do something weird and new to bring the pot down. Like hire their son to branch into something that has nothing to do with the company services but son has an interest in, to the tune of ....... mostly everyone's bonus. Ask me how I know?
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Post by raeoflyte on Feb 9, 2021 8:18:51 GMT -5
Finally talked to my boss today because I havent been getting my bonus which is 1/4th to 1/3rd of my income. She didn't realize that had happened with the job/title change and will get it corrected. But I have a choice to make going forward. Currently my base pay is higher than most people in my new role. I can keep the higher base and take a lower bonus (which is actually my current bonus), or I can lower my base by $20k and double my bonus. Based on our 2020 #'s I would come out $5k ahead to take the latter. 2021 is projected to continue like 2020 plus some and so far we are. After that its anybody's guess, but I expect it to be less. I had been leaning toward the latter. That $5k isn't a huge upside, but this year is likely to be higher. I don't like being a big expense on low revenue months. I don't want to set myself into a worse situation when volume drops, but I feel like we'll be reinventing my role later anyway and I am also kicking myself for always taking the safe route and leaving money on the table. When I eventually get licensed, if I have my own business come in, I can negotiate to get paid on that as well where the lower base would help. But I have no plans to build up significant if any of my own business. Wwyd? Thoughts? how long will you be there and how much confidence do you have in the company? One thing I found is that the bonus pool is easily manipulated. If there is a lot of money, top brass can choose to do something weird and new to bring the pot down. Like hire their son to branch into something that has nothing to do with the company services but son has an interest in, to the tune of ....... mostly everyone's bonus. Ask me how I know? That sounds crazy- I'd be very unhappy if that happened. I think the company is good (been here 13 years) but more, that the industry is going through a huge boom and bonus based on production is the norm. I am still leaning toward lower base and double my bonus, although I keep getting stuck in this circular argument that has stopped me from confirming with my boss. Dh's input was that I should ask for a higher base (face palm), and ds overheard us and gave me an apt video game analogy, but still thought I should play it safe. Figuring out my long term goals/plans seems to be my biggest hang up. I need to rip the bandaid off, take my own advice and wing it a bit. I know none of this is permanent or set in stone, even the safer option. The good part of being in sales is negotiating is normal and expected.
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Post by stillmovingforward on Feb 9, 2021 9:42:43 GMT -5
I had my prelim interview yesterday. More money then I currently make if I go in at the top of the scale, all benefits are paid for by the company and a very nice 401(k) addition, even if you don't contribute yourself. The work looks doable for me and interesting. Id have to work in the office though. That will be new but human interaction might be nice. I should hear by the end of the week if I made it to the next round.
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Post by stillmovingforward on Feb 9, 2021 13:41:20 GMT -5
And I made it to the 2nd interview! Tomorrow afternoon. Im excited and nervous. I like the looks of this company!
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Post by Anne_in_VA on Feb 10, 2021 13:16:10 GMT -5
Good luck!
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Post by Works4me on Feb 10, 2021 20:29:06 GMT -5
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Post by stillmovingforward on Feb 10, 2021 21:43:09 GMT -5
Exciting! I have apparently made it to the next level (sounds and feels like a video game). Apparently i will have a question/problem to solve and present at my next interview. The company sounds interesting so I'll play along.
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Post by NomoreDramaQ1015 on Feb 10, 2021 22:23:44 GMT -5
Had to do a 360 review of my supervisor. Ugh. I hate 360s. Of course they assure you it's confidential but there are only five of us. Not hard to think about past conversations and start attempting to figure out who said what. I don't trust that this won't come back to haunt us.
Three of us had a hard time deciding between being honest and keeping our heads down. I tried to straddle the line by being honest but vauge enough you can't pick me out of a line up. I didn't want to blow a possible opportunity for actual change but I still gotta work here after review season.
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Post by stillmovingforward on Feb 12, 2021 17:54:40 GMT -5
I have my next interview scheduled for next week. Its an hour long and i have to present a PowerPoint presentation to a panel! This type of interview is new to me but the subject they chose is one I'm familiar with. And my current company is reorganizing. Which may bring me ahead in some regards. I have a feeling it's all going to bunch up at the same time 😝
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Post by stillmovingforward on Feb 12, 2021 17:56:52 GMT -5
I've actually never had to do a 360 review. Which is a good thing i guess! I've been fairly fortunate in my coworkers and bosses though. Mostly good to indifferent people. The out right based one's have been my equals so easier to deal with.
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Post by flamingo on Feb 12, 2021 20:53:17 GMT -5
I got a job offer from the job I've interviewed at over the last few weeks. I'm having mixed feelings. I'm really excited for the opportunity, but it means we have to move again. And moving would be good for us (we don't really like where we are now) but I'm a little sad to be leaving my current job. Even though the culture could use some work, it's not something that really bothers me, other than i hate being a supervisor and nothing is going to change staff-wise, probably ever. And this job would take me out of higher ed into a higher ed adjacent industry (one of my professional orgs, so I know a lot of people who work at this company and they are all genuinely excited to welcome me). And i'm nervous about leaving higher ed. But I think i'll be good at this job. And it at least won't bore me to tears like my current job does. And I think my Dh is happy about the chance to move to a better location. Change is hard, man!
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