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Post by andi9899 on Feb 14, 2020 6:30:49 GMT -5
Have you thought about doing something else? This kind of work environment seems to be everywhere you work and it doesn't seem like you are the problem. Is there any other type of role that you could explore? Especially if it pays better.
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Post by NomoreDramaQ1015 on Feb 14, 2020 7:38:47 GMT -5
Right now wouldn't be the time. Plus I get paid better here than anywhere else.
Not that I haven't considered it.
I've dealt with worse so I'm figuring stick with my philosophy I had while working in research every 3 years start looking. Then it wasn't a choice.
That way I've been stable awhile and learned new skills I can market.
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Post by andi9899 on Feb 14, 2020 8:05:19 GMT -5
I just worry about how stressful that is. Stress will seriously hurt you and I'd hate to see that happen to you.
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Post by Rukh O'Rorke on Feb 14, 2020 10:25:46 GMT -5
Right now wouldn't be the time. Plus I get paid better here than anywhere else. Not that I haven't considered it. I've dealt with worse so I'm figuring stick with my philosophy I had while working in research every 3 years start looking. Then it wasn't a choice. That way I've been stable awhile and learned new skills I can market. it does take a while to find something. Updating the resume and keeping an eye open on just a few sites 1-2 times per week and apply to something here and there. DH would likely be pretty settled in to the new job by the time you had an offer.
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Post by jerseygirl on Feb 14, 2020 11:02:50 GMT -5
Seems to be pretty high numbers of people on this boat who work in labs/science/pharm I’m one of them, I do contract writing for pharma and get job offers at least every Day Right now I can’t accept since husband has been ill this winter but hoping to pick up some in autumn
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Post by Rukh O'Rorke on Feb 14, 2020 11:23:46 GMT -5
So - I am all over the place here in regards potential new job. Very conflicted about leaving my current position. Meanwhile - have not heard back about scheduling next interview with potential new place. They sent email Friday. I responded can't make proposed time, how about this other week instead. Sent a followup yesterday. Nothing so far - but someone from the company looked at my linkedin profile this week - so I don't think my app has hit the circular. PTO and RI are the main sticking points for me. current | potential new | PTO - 38 total + some half days | PTO - 27 max from what I know now | politics difficult | unknown | viability of business model questionable | likely good | boss undercutting me | unknown, but want to try someone else! | Ruhk, Inc. approved | Likely lose RI ops | 142k +~30k RI in 2020 | Maybe 180k? but unknown | Travel 20% - many weekend days; comp days | Travel 40% - less to no weekends | work load untenable | unknown - work/life balance emphasized on website | Level of technical work unexciting | Likely more interesting, varied | 401k match 7% | unknown - likely less | benefits generous (nonprofit) | based on PTO info, likely average |
*Moving is not required for this new job If I was looking at current job for a long haul - the decision would be to go to the new easily as I put my misery index at about 6-7/10. My hope is that I can shore up my personal finances while getting a few more RI clients and retire from FT work for the man and be able to make ends meet on RI. This is potentially doable in about 2 or so years I think. The minute I can just barely make ends meet with RI income - I'm done. There are so many angles to that that it is very difficult to estimate any time line with accuracy. It could happen tomorrow with a big client - unlikely! but possible! - or take many more years. And I could lose the clients I do have just because they rethink their needs. Ok - so I'm open to thoughts on this. Am I thinking clearly? Anything I'm not considering?
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Post by andi9899 on Feb 14, 2020 11:46:06 GMT -5
Right now wouldn't be the time. Plus I get paid better here than anywhere else. Not that I haven't considered it. I've dealt with worse so I'm figuring stick with my philosophy I had while working in research every 3 years start looking. Then it wasn't a choice. That way I've been stable awhile and learned new skills I can market. it does take a while to find something. Updating the resume and keeping an eye open on just a few sites 1-2 times per week and apply to something here and there. DH would likely be pretty settled in to the new job by the time you had an offer. I've been not so actively looking for well over a year. I let the jobs come to me and only entertained ones that checked certain boxes. There's no way I could go to another job like the one I have.
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Post by NomoreDramaQ1015 on Feb 14, 2020 13:41:01 GMT -5
Right now wouldn't be the time. Plus I get paid better here than anywhere else. Not that I haven't considered it. I've dealt with worse so I'm figuring stick with my philosophy I had while working in research every 3 years start looking. Then it wasn't a choice. That way I've been stable awhile and learned new skills I can market. it does take a while to find something. Updating the resume and keeping an eye open on just a few sites 1-2 times per week and apply to something here and there. DH would likely be pretty settled in to the new job by the time you had an offer. Oh God believe me I know. It's that one year is not enough to really claim efficiency/expertise in what I do. This is a skill set that will serve me even better than the ones I already have. Industry experience will be huge for me. I also need to make a CV which I keep forgetting to do. I have three papers to my name now, two of which I am second author which for a technologist is a pretty big deal. That adds to my value. I'm not being physically threatened or intimidated here, which I know is likely a very unhealthy bar to set but it is what it is. Doesn't mean though I don't need to vent every once and a while and it needs to be outside of work. I had a good review which surprised me. She did comment I don't seem confident. I had to figure out how to dance around the topic because I don't have the clout needed to flat out say one person who has been here much longer than me is causing a toxic environment, especially right now. I phrased it as I don't get a lot of feedback on the bench so it makes it difficult for me to know if I am doing things right or not. Over here in my domain I know I am doing great, but over here (since I am being nitpicked to death over every tiny detail) I am having difficulty evaluating my performance properly. I just wish I know what bug crawled up some people's butts because in the last few weeks it's been terrible. We're all feeding off it. This happened last January too, that was when the other tech decided to switch departments. So I know it's not in my head.
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Post by shanendoah on Feb 14, 2020 17:21:44 GMT -5
Not making an offer on my open position today. We ended up with 5 really strong, but different candidates. Each could do the job and would work well with our team, but each would move the position in different directions, so now we're trying to decide which direction makes the most strategic sense to us, and we need more time. Sent an email to the candidates letting them know. I know we're doing what makes the most sense for us as a department, but man, I had really hoped to have an offer out on this position and be done with it today.
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Post by stillmovingforward on Feb 15, 2020 21:22:14 GMT -5
Ruhk - you can negotiate your PTO.
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Post by debthaven on Feb 16, 2020 4:02:22 GMT -5
Rukh can you negotiate the possibility of continuing Rukh Inc too?
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Post by Rukh O'Rorke on Feb 16, 2020 9:31:28 GMT -5
I will of course try to negotiate both. Have not heard back about 2nd interview as yet so possibly a moot point.
Applying for something else today.
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Post by Rukh O'Rorke on Feb 16, 2020 11:28:59 GMT -5
Rukh can you negotiate the possibility of continuing Rukh Inc too? This would be a conflict of interest in the new company - and I think I'd have to bring them in with me. So - that will figure in to salary negotiation - but I would have to lose that flexibility of money streams. I like two sources . Looking at my nestegg and cash flow and wondering about how long it would take until I could just do Rukh incorporated. It's risky, and I need a lot more security built up. I vest in current job 401k money in 11/2021. Thinking if I can hold on that long while trying to position myself to live off RI until SS. If I could double RI, it's doable. End of 2021. If I hand the clients over to a company - and then not happy there - I'm at scratch again. Well - haven't heard about interview yet so no use borrowing trouble now. I applied to a remote contract position hoping to add it to side income. If it is more FT then I won't be able to take it on, but will see what info I get. Been working 14 days straight right now. Have data for my big RI client project and heading out for 5 day meeting for dayjob - traveling today and back late on Saturday - and much more work on the RI project when I return. Will be working on it nights in hotel room. Nights and weekends through mid-march I'm tired. I'm going to crack. I don't know what that will look like but I know I can't keep this up. Getting a sore throat this morning, and not knowing when I can really rest. and by that - I'm talking weeks - possible a whole month without a day off. Hopefully - will get to some rest relatively soon and be able to take a day off here and there before mid-march.
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Post by Deleted on Feb 17, 2020 9:42:13 GMT -5
Right now wouldn't be the time. Plus I get paid better here than anywhere else. But you seem to absolutely hate lab work...or at least the lab work environment. Nobody is saying quit tomorrow, but maybe start thinking about something else you'd rather be doing and work towards that?
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Post by NomoreDramaQ1015 on Feb 17, 2020 9:53:43 GMT -5
To be honest I think I just hate working period. So I should probably start playing the lotto. I do like working with my dad but that doesn't pay the bills currently. At some point in my life I wouldn't mind taking it over though. As someone with anxiety all jobs are likely going to have something that will piss me off/stress me out. It's all bullshit I'm just going to be moving the piles around. When it gets to the level it has been lately it's very hard for me to block it out. So I come here because it's either that or I have an anxiety attack which doesn't look good.
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Post by Deleted on Feb 17, 2020 11:51:58 GMT -5
NomoreDramaQ1015 I swear that every time I see that you've posted on this thread I get as nervous as a frog on the freeway with a busted hopper.
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Post by NomoreDramaQ1015 on Feb 17, 2020 13:55:37 GMT -5
DH is fine, passed everything with flying colors. He's understandably nervous but I pointed out he managed to get, and keep for 3 years at least, the last job he had despite having pretty much no clue what he was doing at first. They must see something if they are willing to hire him.
Me, I'm just burnt out. This crap happens in every and any type of job. It's why regardless of where I am at I always go out of my way to thank people (even if it's just "doing their job") and to own up when I do something wrong or make a mistake training rather than throw that person under the bus to cover my ass. I refuse to play the misery loves company game.
That's not saying I won't go to town on someone when the situation calls for it or stand up for myself, but I don't go out of my way to nitpick/micromanage and I recognize that without other key players I can't do my job. It's why I tend to get ranked as one of the easiest and nicest people to work with/for.
I just wish other people would do the same. You'd think I would have had that naive optimism beaten out of me by now, but nope.
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Post by flutterby on Feb 17, 2020 14:08:32 GMT -5
I've been really meh about applying for new positions lately, but it's time to get back to it. Updated my resume this morning, and damn I sound accomplished lol. I applied for one job that's a step above my current position. It's a stretch, but it can't hurt to try. I have another one I need to apply for that would be a lateral move, but some data I need is on my work computer, so that one will have to wait until tomorrow. I have my cover letter ready to go, so it shouldn't be too much more work.
I know I've said it many times, but I'll say it again - I HATE COVER LETTERS!!!!
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Post by Deleted on Feb 17, 2020 14:18:21 GMT -5
You'd think I would have had that naive optimism beaten out of me by now, but nope. naïve optimism...you just need more beating!
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Post by NomoreDramaQ1015 on Feb 17, 2020 15:12:41 GMT -5
You'd think I would have had that naive optimism beaten out of me by now, but nope. naïve optimism...you just need more beating! I'd rather not. Holy drama batman. I think me and the other two techs made a good call about keeping our mouths shut. Another person did not and she's been Public Enemy #1 all day to the point where she is thinking about quitting after maternity leave (and the required period to avoid paying back benefits)
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Post by Opti on Feb 17, 2020 16:50:06 GMT -5
naïve optimism...you just need more beating! I'd rather not. Holy drama batman. I think me and the other two techs made a good call about keeping our mouths shut. Another person did not and she's been Public Enemy #1 all day to the point where she is thinking about quitting after maternity leave (and the required period to avoid paying back benefits) Its crazy season where I work right now. I think my XBF called it correctly when he said, so ... hows it going at the Devil's playground ... With the union nonsense going on and some interesting financial things I might want to figure out how one values a SeniorCare business. Could the employees afford to buy this location and how to judge whether it was a good deal or not.
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Post by geenamercile on Feb 17, 2020 18:45:13 GMT -5
I have a job interview with several principals on the 28th for the district I live in. I really like where and with whom I work but with all the unknowning between DH and I, it would be better to be close to home. Pay is actually close to the same, and one gas cost is added in it would be the same. Give me an extra hour and a half not driving a day to.... So over all mix feeling but fingers cross it pans out.
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Post by alabamagal on Feb 17, 2020 19:39:07 GMT -5
I have a job interview with several principals on the 28th for the district I live in. I really like where and with whom I work but with all the unknowning between DH and I, it would be better to be close to home. Pay is actually close to the same, and one gas cost is added in it would be the same. Give me an extra hour and a half not driving a day to.... So over all mix feeling but fingers cross it pans out. Good luck! The cost of a long commute is much more than just gas. Mainly wear and tear on your car. You can wear out a car quickly putting miles on it every day. Plus all the time you lose can cause you to spend more on conveniences.
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Post by andi9899 on Feb 18, 2020 11:27:08 GMT -5
Background check is back and all clear. I'm drafting my resignation letter today. Yay!
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Post by NomoreDramaQ1015 on Feb 18, 2020 11:30:29 GMT -5
Background check is back and all clear. I'm drafting my resignation letter today. Yay! ::Gets out the bedazzler::
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Post by shanendoah on Feb 18, 2020 11:46:14 GMT -5
Our Academic Services Director told me today that she is planning on retiring at the end of June. So now the question is, am I really frustrated enough to leave within a couple of months of her and leave all the rest of the staff in the lurch? With my conference not being until the end of April (though at $1k, I could pay the department back for that), and her leaving the end of June... End of June would also be the ideal time for me to leave (outside of her retirement) given that summer is slower, and it's not a budget year. I don't know. There is one job that came across my feed that I think I am going to apply for. It's a Chief of Staff position in local government. Pay starts high enough that we'd be pushing the eligibility for ROTH contributions. It's not quite doubling my pay, but it would be about an 80% increase. So maybe I shouldn't consider myself qualified to apply, but I think I will. (Application deadline is March 10, so I've got time.)
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Post by andi9899 on Feb 18, 2020 12:53:04 GMT -5
Our Academic Services Director told me today that she is planning on retiring at the end of June. So now the question is, am I really frustrated enough to leave within a couple of months of her and leave all the rest of the staff in the lurch? With my conference not being until the end of April (though at $1k, I could pay the department back for that), and her leaving the end of June... End of June would also be the ideal time for me to leave (outside of her retirement) given that summer is slower, and it's not a budget year. I don't know. There is one job that came across my feed that I think I am going to apply for. It's a Chief of Staff position in local government. Pay starts high enough that we'd be pushing the eligibility for ROTH contributions. It's not quite doubling my pay, but it would be about an 80% increase. So maybe I shouldn't consider myself qualified to apply, but I think I will. (Application deadline is March 10, so I've got time.) Do it! The worst that can happen is they say no.
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Post by andi9899 on Feb 19, 2020 11:15:00 GMT -5
So I gave notice yesterday. I feel so much better now that there is an end in sight. My boss was really nice about it. Now to get all of my pending stuff done before I go.
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Post by Wisconsin Beth on Feb 19, 2020 11:49:26 GMT -5
Are you taking a couple days off between old job and new job?
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Post by andi9899 on Feb 19, 2020 12:39:46 GMT -5
What are days off? I'm leaving early on my last day, but that's it. I'll work my regular weekend job that weekend and then start the new job Monday.
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