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Post by chiver78 on Jan 2, 2020 10:37:32 GMT -5
I'm beginning to field cold calls/emails again, from old revisions of my resume on LinkedIn and other places. is it commonplace now for recruiters to call AND text your mobile number within minutes of each other? that's beyond rude, IMHO. if I couldn't answer the phone, do you think I'm going to be answering your text either? wow. ETA: and the email just came through as well. that's pretty aggressive for a contract job, if you ask me. I get a lot of those. Usually for a temporary contract job that needs to be filled immediately. The caller is always middle eastern. Hard pass. this guy sounded Indian. that doesn't bother me so much, but yes - contract position. what gets me is, why do you think I would leave a permanent position for a contract one, at a company I had already left? that's the hard pass, thanks. it's a contract position for the actual job I held when I left the company the first time. no, thank you!
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Post by NomoreDramaQ1015 on Jan 2, 2020 11:24:02 GMT -5
I'm beginning to field cold calls/emails again, from old revisions of my resume on LinkedIn and other places. is it commonplace now for recruiters to call AND text your mobile number within minutes of each other? that's beyond rude, IMHO. if I couldn't answer the phone, do you think I'm going to be answering your text either? wow. ETA: and the email just came through as well. that's pretty aggressive for a contract job, if you ask me. We're getting bombarded with cold calls for insurance sales. Dude it says right in your own ad that the applicant has to have a license for the position.
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Post by andi9899 on Jan 2, 2020 12:30:49 GMT -5
I'm beginning to field cold calls/emails again, from old revisions of my resume on LinkedIn and other places. is it commonplace now for recruiters to call AND text your mobile number within minutes of each other? that's beyond rude, IMHO. if I couldn't answer the phone, do you think I'm going to be answering your text either? wow. ETA: and the email just came through as well. that's pretty aggressive for a contract job, if you ask me. We're getting bombarded with cold calls for insurance sales. Dude it says right in your own ad that the applicant has to have a license for the position. You really don't, you just can't sell until you do. They'll get you licensed if they think you can sell something.
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Post by jerseygirl on Jan 2, 2020 12:56:22 GMT -5
I get a lot of those. Usually for a temporary contract job that needs to be filled immediately. The caller is always middle eastern. Hard pass. this guy sounded Indian. that doesn't bother me so much, but yes - contract position. what gets me is, why do you think I would leave a permanent position for a contract one, at a company I had already left? that's the hard pass, thanks. it's a contract position for the actual job I held when I left the company the first time. no, thank you! The calls from Indians with very heavy accents are so annoying. About 3 a day about pharma jobs, I worked with many people from India and have no problems with understanding them. But these people have very poor English
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Post by shanendoah on Jan 3, 2020 10:55:47 GMT -5
I have an interview next week. Impressive job title, though probably not any more work than I am doing now. It will allow me to work from home, though with some regular travel. If I get this job, it will be partly because of these boards, as it is for an organization that started out as a Personal Finance blog and has expanded quite a bit.
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Post by Wisconsin Beth on Jan 3, 2020 11:08:31 GMT -5
I have an interview next week. Impressive job title, though probably not any more work than I am doing now. It will allow me to work from home, though with some regular travel. If I get this job, it will be partly because of these boards, as it is for an organization that started out as a Personal Finance blog and has expanded quite a bit. So you'd have a reason to play on the boards while at work?
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Post by shanendoah on Jan 3, 2020 11:17:17 GMT -5
I have an interview next week. Impressive job title, though probably not any more work than I am doing now. It will allow me to work from home, though with some regular travel. If I get this job, it will be partly because of these boards, as it is for an organization that started out as a Personal Finance blog and has expanded quite a bit. So you'd have a reason to play on the boards while at work? Exactly. So being on the boards wouldn't be something I am doing "despite" being at work, but as part of my job. Though I think it means I'll need to spend more time on the investment boards learning, as this site is specifically aimed at investing.
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Post by shanendoah on Jan 3, 2020 18:19:31 GMT -5
18 of the 19 people I invited to phone screen have responded, saying they are still interested in the position. The one person I have not heard from is one for whom this pay would be about a $20k step down (so not super surprised). However, I did give people until end of business today to reply. Otherwise, I do have the interview schedule mocked up, and I should be good to go Monday morning sending out the official invites. But I think I am going to add a line about the pay in my general spiel and the fact that I do not have wiggle room to go over $70k/yr. It will go along with the line that this position sometimes requires evening and weekend work right at the beginning, so that if it turns out to be a deal breaker, we get don't waste our time with the whole phone screen/interview.
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Post by Rukh O'Rorke on Jan 4, 2020 16:04:48 GMT -5
So - nothing yet back from that one application - I see it is still posted on glass door.
I was confused on how to answer the screening question about "managing the work of others in X role". I have taught, coached, mentored, trained, etc. for over 6 years prior to this job, but current job is the first where they are my direct reports - so I wasn't sure if the other counted. No spot to clarify - but in the vein of being 100% honest - I said only 0-2 years, so I think that may be ruling me out - that or the salary expectation - that or they just didn't get me, lol!!
I had changed my mine a few times about - yes I would take it if it seemed a good step, no I wouldn't cuz life here, etc.
Today's Question!
There is posting on glass door that says "freelance/remote" for a position title and duties similar to what I had at oldjob - I am assuming freelance means no benefits - no guarantee ongoing hours. Yes? What are your interpretations?
Not sure what the number of hours needed are - they do say flexible hours - but that might be a general blurb for all applicants.
Could this be a Rukh, Inc. opportunity?
What do you all think?
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Post by shanendoah on Jan 8, 2020 15:15:18 GMT -5
Short break in the midst of doing phone screens today. Rukh O'Rorke - I would assume the freelance means they can't guarantee hours on an ongoing basis, but since they are hiring for the position, they probably are looking for someone who can devote 40+ hours per week on a somewhat regular basis. Unless the position listing says specifically that they are looking for 10hrs/week or something like that, I would be concerned that you'd be stretching yourself awfully thin trying to add this to your plate.
Monday or yesterday someone from one of the companies I applied to viewed my profile on LinkedIn. Today, the founder and CEO of that company viewed my profile on LinkedIn, and she's and I share a number of connections. Hoping this is a good sign, because it's a pretty cool job and an interesting company.
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Post by flamingo on Jan 8, 2020 15:32:36 GMT -5
So in early December, I applied for a job that would be a large step up position/title/salary-wise, though totally in line with my career trajectory. And, it's at a really great institution (at least by my niche role standards). Anyway, I kinda forgot about it because of the holidays, plus "large step up". And, I'm not really job searching, though my current institution is kind of a train wreck, so I had decided 2020 was the year to start watching the job boards again.
Anyway. I got an email from them today for a phone interview! I am constantly surprised when my resume gets me through the process. I guess I shouldn't be - I really have done a lot in my almost 15 years in the industry - and yet, I am always surprised.
That being said, as I started looking back over the job description for this position, there is NO WAY they are going to bring me in for an in person interview. I am so underqualified. Like, if this position was open at my current institution, I'd think, well, I'm not the most qualified, but I could certainly do the job, because I'm a known entity and they'd be willing to chance it with me. But moving to a different and much more highly ranked/visible university for this position really makes me feel underqualified. I mean, the job would be awesome and I certainly think I could do it but I also think they'll expect me to hit the ground running with minimal learning curve, and I'm just not sure I'm there.
So, we'll see. I'll work on preparing for the phone interview tonight, though from what I can tell it's just with HR, so this shouldn't be too difficult.
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Post by NomoreDramaQ1015 on Jan 8, 2020 15:39:35 GMT -5
So far DH has made it to round two of robo screening for one job. He got an email today to do a phone screen for another. Two other companies have looked at his resume. Up to 19 applications so far, hoping something will pan out for him fairly quickly. Revamped his resume to use more lingo in the job descriptions so he better matches key words.
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Post by shanendoah on Jan 8, 2020 16:58:19 GMT -5
flamingo - Please remember that women almost always self-select themselves out of jobs thinking they need to be at least 90-95% qualified before even applying. Men tend to apply even when only 50-60% qualified. (I think these are the right numbers, but I could be off by a little bit.) Go out and do your best in the phone interview. You might surprise yourself. Also, as I mentioned earlier, with a lot of big institutions that are worried because not only don't they have diversity in their hiring, they can't have diversity in their hiring because they don't have diversity in the people they interview. One of the main goals currently is to interview more people, even slightly less qualified people, and give them that foot in the door, because there's a chance they really are the exact right person you would need, once you've talked to them. This is why I'm interviewing 18 people this week instead of 12. And one of the people who wouldn't have made the cut at 10-12 has, in fact, wowed me already.
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Post by flutterby on Jan 8, 2020 20:27:27 GMT -5
You all might remember I applied for 3 positions (A-one level up from my current, and B & C-both lateral) at the agency where my work bff works. I didn't get A. Not surprising; it wasn't what I specialize in, and I didn't really feel qualified. So that was fine. I was 100% qualified for B and C, though I REALLY would have preferred C. I mentioned here that it was a bit awkward because work bff would be my boss. After I applied, I didn't see her as often (we normally took walks together at lunch a few days a week and texted most days), both because I didn't want her to feel obligated to hire me and also because, being short staffed, she was super busy and didn't have time. Or so I thought. So after barely talking to her after the interviews, we finally took a walk where she told me they hired internally for position C and she knew I didn't really want position B because it was a crappy job. I don't know who they hired for that since she didn't say. Okay, I really didn't want B, that's true, but I totally would have taken it to get my foot in at that agency. Which she knew. So that pissed me off. As for them hiring internally for C, she kept saying how bad she felt and that basically I interviewed for nothing because they already knew they were moving that person to the position. Really ticks me off, but it happens all the time, and I don't hold that against her since it was out of her hands. I assured her I completely understood, though secretly I'm pissed of course.
So I'm annoyed about not getting either of two positions that I'm qualified for. Fine, I'll get over it and keep looking. But now work bff seems to be avoiding me. I've barely talked to her in weeks. I don't know if she feels guilty and is avoiding me or what. So now I'm not only ticked off but my feelings are hurt. I haven't talked to her about it because I don't want to put her on the spot, and at this point I'd like to just forget that I ever applied there and go back to how things were.
Anyway, that's my job search update. Still looking
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Post by Rukh O'Rorke on Jan 9, 2020 9:40:48 GMT -5
That's awkward, flutterby!
Hopefully the relationship goes back to usual in a few weeks.
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Post by NomoreDramaQ1015 on Jan 9, 2020 15:16:12 GMT -5
Got another phone screen. I'm interested in this one myself because according to the post it offers 100% paid for benefits. It would be nice for DH to have a job that provides affordable benefits for a change. I have carried ours for our entire marriage because every company he has ever worked for has sucked donkey balls in regards to benefits. It would be nice to have options for once.
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Post by TheOtherMe on Jan 9, 2020 15:26:50 GMT -5
Drama, with his history, if this turns in to something, please be careful about you dropping health insurance.
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Post by chiver78 on Jan 9, 2020 15:29:28 GMT -5
flamingo - Please remember that women almost always self-select themselves out of jobs thinking they need to be at least 90-95% qualified before even applying. Men tend to apply even when only 50-60% qualified. (I think these are the right numbers, but I could be off by a little bit.) Go out and do your best in the phone interview. You might surprise yourself. Also, as I mentioned earlier, with a lot of big institutions that are worried because not only don't they have diversity in their hiring, they can't have diversity in their hiring because they don't have diversity in the people they interview. One of the main goals currently is to interview more people, even slightly less qualified people, and give them that foot in the door, because there's a chance they really are the exact right person you would need, once you've talked to them. This is why I'm interviewing 18 people this week instead of 12. And one of the people who wouldn't have made the cut at 10-12 has, in fact, wowed me already. the quote I had heard was that a woman won't apply for a job unless she can check off ALL the requirements, whereas a man will apply if he just thinks he can do the work.
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Post by NomoreDramaQ1015 on Jan 9, 2020 15:34:50 GMT -5
Drama, with his history, if this turns in to something, please be careful about you dropping health insurance. I don't plan to. The problem has been that if I lose my job, which happened in 2015, we're screwed. DH's cost so much when I lost my job then that if we and put all four of us on it he wouldn't have seen a paycheck. As it was it our share of the premium for the two of us was over $700. I put the kids on CHiP. I'll still carry it but knowing if something happened I am not going to be in a mad dash to take any job I can find for the sake of health insurance would be freeing.
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Post by TheOtherMe on Jan 9, 2020 15:37:49 GMT -5
One of my many cousins and his wife decided they were spending more on day care for their child than she made. He's an accountant, so I would guess he calculated it out.
She has now quit her job. He said they put their daughter on CHIP, he has health insurance through work on himself and they got her insurance on the exchange.
Now they are working with their providers to make sure they can see the ones they have been seeing or finding new ones.
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Post by gs11rmb on Jan 10, 2020 12:49:36 GMT -5
One of my many cousins and his wife decided they were spending more on day care for their child than she made. He's an accountant, so I would guess he calculated it out. She has now quit her job. He said they put their daughter on CHIP, he has health insurance through work on himself and they got her insurance on the exchange. Now they are working with their providers to make sure they can see the ones they have been seeing or finding new ones. I often think that's a bad move. If a family wants a SAHP that's one thing but to quit your job because day care is too expensive can be a very unwise decision in the long run. By the time she's ready to go back she'll have been out of the job market for a number of years and will have missed out on pay raises, promotions, 401K contributions, etc. It may well be better to just suck it up for a few years until the child is in school. Admittedly, I'm probably projecting my own situation and think it would have been disastrous for me.
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Post by TheOtherMe on Jan 10, 2020 13:00:39 GMT -5
She was not working at a professional job and their daughter is already age 2. I don't think she missed out on much in the way of pay raises, etc. because of the type of job she had.
She also was driving over an hour each way to work. She was a server. Most likely no 401k, etc. and she can get right back in to that if that is what they decide.
He does make very good money. I know he travels a lot for work and that meant more day care. He works for a CPA firm so works lots of hours during tax season, which meant more day care.
They had enough money to buy a new to them house this summer. For all I know, she has always wanted to be a SAHM.
They married in their late 30's and are now in their 40's--with a 2 year old. He said he never knew the kind of tired there was when she was a newborn and he was over 40. He said she has most of the child care responsibility, particularly during tax season and the weeks he is traveling for work.
I think I would rather stay home with my only child when I know I can go back to being a server.
He did say there were a lot of spreadsheet computations involved. It's their decision and they made it.
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Post by NomoreDramaQ1015 on Jan 10, 2020 13:07:07 GMT -5
One of my many cousins and his wife decided they were spending more on day care for their child than she made. He's an accountant, so I would guess he calculated it out. She has now quit her job. He said they put their daughter on CHIP, he has health insurance through work on himself and they got her insurance on the exchange. Now they are working with their providers to make sure they can see the ones they have been seeing or finding new ones. I often think that's a bad move. If a family wants a SAHP that's one thing but to quit your job because day care is too expensive can be a very unwise decision in the long run. By the time she's ready to go back she'll have been out of the job market for a number of years and will have missed out on pay raises, promotions, 401K contributions, etc. It may well be better to just suck it up for a few years until the child is in school. Admittedly, I'm probably projecting my own situation and think it would have been disastrous for me. I had A LOT of people ask me if I was going to quit (strangely nobody asked DH if he was planning on quitting ) to save on daycare costs. I have another 30+ years to go before I retire, daycare lasts 12 years at the most. That is in the grand scheme of things a drop in the bucket.
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Post by Deleted on Jan 10, 2020 13:13:24 GMT -5
I often think that's a bad move. If a family wants a SAHP that's one thing but to quit your job because day care is too expensive can be a very unwise decision in the long run. By the time she's ready to go back she'll have been out of the job market for a number of years and will have missed out on pay raises, promotions, 401K contributions, etc. It may well be better to just suck it up for a few years until the child is in school. Admittedly, I'm probably projecting my own situation and think it would have been disastrous for me. I had A LOT of people ask me if I was going to quit (strangely nobody asked DH if he was planning on quitting ) to save on daycare costs. I have another 30+ years to go before I retire, daycare lasts 12 years at the most. That is in the grand scheme of things a drop in the bucket. Most don't quit forever though. I left for 3 years then went back.
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Post by Wisconsin Beth on Jan 10, 2020 13:23:23 GMT -5
I often think that's a bad move. If a family wants a SAHP that's one thing but to quit your job because day care is too expensive can be a very unwise decision in the long run. By the time she's ready to go back she'll have been out of the job market for a number of years and will have missed out on pay raises, promotions, 401K contributions, etc. It may well be better to just suck it up for a few years until the child is in school. Admittedly, I'm probably projecting my own situation and think it would have been disastrous for me. I had A LOT of people ask me if I was going to quit (strangely nobody asked DH if he was planning on quitting ) to save on daycare costs. I have another 30+ years to go before I retire, daycare lasts 12 years at the most. That is in the grand scheme of things a drop in the bucket. Yes. Some people got the "hell no, I'm not staying home. I'd go nuts, it was bad enough on maternity leave." and others got "Nope, I carry the health insurance."
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Post by flamingo on Jan 10, 2020 13:24:15 GMT -5
So, I had my phone screen last night. It was...odd. It was an HR type person (but someone from HR) and she asked me all of 3 questions. We were on the phone for well over the 30 minutes she allotted, but I think that's more to do with her inability to schedule properly. She talked a lot about the position, and likely talked more than I did if you were the sort to keep track of that.
There are a whole variety of reasons I think I won't be moving forward, and most have nothing to really do with me and more do to the arrogant nature of the people that work at this institution. That's ok, I can't change that, and it would save me from having to move to a city I've never really wanted to live in. Having said that, I do think I did very well answering the few questions she had for me and now that I know a little more about the job, I think I could absolutely do it and do it well. So, I'll be ok either way.
She did say they had a very aggressive timeline for hiring so I should know whether I'm moving forward to the next stage by early next week.
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Post by NomoreDramaQ1015 on Jan 10, 2020 13:38:33 GMT -5
I had A LOT of people ask me if I was going to quit (strangely nobody asked DH if he was planning on quitting ) to save on daycare costs. I have another 30+ years to go before I retire, daycare lasts 12 years at the most. That is in the grand scheme of things a drop in the bucket. Most don't quit forever though. I left for 3 years then went back.
Three years for me and I'd be done, technology moves that fast in my field. Not saying I couldn't get a different job elsewhere but then I'd be starting over. After a lot of calculations I decided it was better to stay the course. What annoyed me more was nobody ever asked DH if he was going to quit his job. It was when will your WIFE quit HER job. If anybody had been going to stay home at the time it would have been him. I carry our benefits and made more money.
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Post by giramomma on Jan 10, 2020 15:03:43 GMT -5
One of my many cousins and his wife decided they were spending more on day care for their child than she made. He's an accountant, so I would guess he calculated it out. She has now quit her job. He said they put their daughter on CHIP, he has health insurance through work on himself and they got her insurance on the exchange. Now they are working with their providers to make sure they can see the ones they have been seeing or finding new ones. I often think that's a bad move. If a family wants a SAHP that's one thing but to quit your job because day care is too expensive can be a very unwise decision in the long run. By the time she's ready to go back she'll have been out of the job market for a number of years and will have missed out on pay raises, promotions, 401K contributions, etc. It may well be better to just suck it up for a few years until the child is in school. Admittedly, I'm probably projecting my own situation and think it would have been disastrous for me. I think that depends...and assumes you work in the private sector...and assumes wherever you work that you get regular raises and promotions. And both are meaningful.
In my experience, I think these are big assumptions. It's also not necessarily the worker's fault if they aren't getting raises or promotions...
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Post by shanendoah on Jan 10, 2020 15:20:21 GMT -5
Skype interview went fairly well last night. I don't really get a sense of if I'll be moving forward or not. We'll see.
flamingo - I had a phone interview back when I was last job hunting with a very well known and prestigious global health organization. I met all of their educational requirements for the job and had 8+ years of relevant work experience. I have no idea who decided I qualified for the phone screen, because it certainly was not the person who conducted the phone screen. She spent most of the conversation informing me that I had the wrong master's degree, because I had an MBA and not a Masters in Public Health. In fact, she informed me, people with MPHs wanted to work there so badly, they would take file clerk jobs. (So basically, how I dare I apply for a job that actually required a master's. And, oh, was also a business program manager job title.) I did not move on from the phone screen, but I knew I was not going to, since it was obvious the person I was talking to did not want to be talking to me. And this is also why I never let HR people do phone screens for me. If I choose the candidates, I screen them, because I don't want someone else's biases pushing out a really qualified candidate.
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Post by flamingo on Jan 10, 2020 15:27:02 GMT -5
shanendoah - I actually think the HR type person I phone interviewed with would put my name through to the hiring committee. It's the hiring committee who I think will say my degree from non-prestigious school isn't good enough. My DH and I were talking about it, and I said that I'm pretty confident this HR type lady chose who to phone screen, because I really doubt the hiring committee has any interest in me. It's so weird. When I've chaired hiring committees, I do all my own screens too, b/c I don't trust HR to know what I really need. Or, I'm totally off base, no one cares where my degree is from, and they'll move me on to the next round Regardless, I'll just be happy to know which it is sooner rather than later!
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