NomoreDramaQ1015
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Post by NomoreDramaQ1015 on Feb 29, 2016 15:13:14 GMT -5
That one job I REALLY wanted popped up again. I talked about it in another post it's the one they pulled b/c they weren't in agreement on the job description. Looks like they either merged or got sold to another company b/c the post is under one name but when I go to the company web site it has the name I know it under. Had to come after I got this job and while DH is unemployed. Why couldn't it have shown up again while I was at Boys Town? Oh well it's better I stay here for now. Plus looking at the job description there are skills I am learning here that would make me more attractive. Here's hoping that post comes up again in the far future! just apply. it can't hurt.
true. In fantasy land the job offers enough money we don't have to worry about replacing DH's salary. The odds of that are pretty low. Still it's at least worth looking into.
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Post by Pants on Feb 29, 2016 15:19:23 GMT -5
I talked to the other technician and he said she does that to him all the time too. It's her way of keeping us motivated and reminding us there is work to do. ... ......... This woman is an idiot.
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NomoreDramaQ1015
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Post by NomoreDramaQ1015 on Feb 29, 2016 15:22:20 GMT -5
She's a brilliant scientist.
Crappy people manager. The majority of PIs are. It's very rare to find one that is both a brilliant scientist and an excellent manager.
As I was talking with DH about it I remembered I use to get similar BS from my boss at Creighton. He'd give me tails to PCR and about an hour later he'd be back wanting to know if I had the results yet.
Umm... no it has to sit overnight I'll have the results tomorrow just like every other time.
I was about ready to tattoo the protocol onto his forehead.
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Post by zibazinski on Feb 29, 2016 15:33:42 GMT -5
She's a brilliant scientist. Crappy people manager. The majority of PIs are. It's very rare to find one that is both a brilliant scientist and an excellent manager. As I was talking with DH about it I remembered I use to get similar BS from my boss at Creighton. He'd give me tails to PCR and about an hour later he'd be back wanting to know if I had the results yet. Umm... no it has to sit overnight I'll have the results tomorrow just like every other time. I was about ready to tattoo the protocol onto his forehead. ". Here's your sign!"
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Post by flamingo on Feb 29, 2016 15:33:43 GMT -5
My informational, not an interview, phone call flaked on me today. I had it scheduled during the only half hour I didn't have another meeting today, so I skipped lunch for it. No phone call. Nada, zip, zilch. In general, I'm not actually pissed off about it. I mean, it's always fun to learn about other job openings, especially when someone contacts me for it, not me contacting them. Mostly I'm just frustrated I missed lunch and busted ass to get everything else accomplished so I could have the phone call. I sent an linkedin follow up but he hasn't responded to that yet either. So, I'm guessing it's not the job for me Which is too bad really, because it's with a great organization and would have been more money. Bummer. Ok, done with my 5 minute cram a protein bar in my mouth break. Back to my regularly scheduled meetings. UGH!
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Post by mojothehelpermonkey on Feb 29, 2016 15:43:59 GMT -5
She's a brilliant scientist. Crappy people manager. The majority of PIs are. It's very rare to find one that is both a brilliant scientist and an excellent manager. My PI in grad school was one of the rare ones who took the management side seriously. He has no problem keeping technicians around (even some of the ones who had eventually planned on leaving for grad school). I probably would have dropped out if I had ended up in the lab of someone more like my postdoc PI instead. I could only put up with his terrible management skills for 2 years.
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Post by NomoreDramaQ1015 on Feb 29, 2016 15:48:00 GMT -5
They don't seem to have super high turn over around here. The one technician has been here for 8 years. Another has been here for longer than that. The one I replaced was here for five. It's only in the last year they've had turn over as people are moving onto other things.
So they must not be THAT bad, but like any PI they have their fair share of bad management techniques. The "not busy enough" line is one of them.
If that is the worst they can throw at me then I am doing pretty good. When you rank the stuff I've seen/experienced this doesn't even make it onto the radar screen.
It's just right now with everything else going on I am not in the mental state to be able to deal properly with PI bull shit.
I am glad I am working with other people. If I was alone I'd be crawling on the ceiling right now out of anxiety. Having people around to help me navigate the local political landscape is a huge help.
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Post by NancysSummerSip on Feb 29, 2016 15:51:07 GMT -5
Thank you. Perhaps at a later time. Zib, I know it is hard, but it is best to ignore the negative Nancys Well, the county job fell through. They claimed I was their second choice by only a couple of interview scoring points. Um, OK, whatever. Second still means no, so I have no idea why that means crap to me. It still means no job. I do have another interview for another job later this week, however.
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Post by mojothehelpermonkey on Feb 29, 2016 15:52:16 GMT -5
It sounds like a much better lab than your last one. I guess getting used to the PI's quirks is just as much a part of any lab job as learning where things are stored.
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Post by NomoreDramaQ1015 on Feb 29, 2016 15:56:17 GMT -5
It really is. If I had moved from the COP straight to here it would have still been an adjustment considering I'd be going from a PI I hardly see to ones that drop by and I've gone from working completely alone to an entire lab full of people. Instead I went from the COP to an extremely unhealthy environment to here.
It's amazing how damaging BT was and I was only there for four months.
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Post by The Walk of the Penguin Mich on Feb 29, 2016 16:00:00 GMT -5
She's a brilliant scientist. Crappy people manager. The majority of PIs are. It's very rare to find one that is both a brilliant scientist and an excellent manager. My PI in grad school was one of the rare ones who took the management side seriously. He has no problem keeping technicians around (even some of the ones who had eventually planned on leaving for grad school). I probably would have dropped out if I had ended up in the lab of someone more like my postdoc PI instead. I could only put up with his terrible management skills for 2 years. The more that I read, the more I appreciate the PI that I had. I was with him since 1982, and during this time the only loss of a tech was from something other than someone looking for a better place to land. Several left due to funding cuts/projects ending (one we would have kept on, but she refused to work with animals), 2 left to pregnancy/SAHMhood and 2 left due to getting advanced degrees (MPH and PhDs in PH) and moving onto another field and out of the lab and 2 left to go to dental school. Right now, every single person my PI (except me) employed during my tenure since 2000 is still in the lab today. I've warned a couple that I used to work with that now that he's reached retirement age, and they really need to be looking out for themselves. He's a very young 67, but I can see how he is wearing down from the battle of grant funding. But I know that if there is a change of administration and the place becomes inhospitable to doing his type of research (which is what happened to us in TX), then he's going to hang up his centrifuge and retire. All of his cronies are retiring now, he's not going to be far behind them.
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Post by zibazinski on Feb 29, 2016 16:07:24 GMT -5
I'm sorry but what exactly does PI stand for?
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Post by NomoreDramaQ1015 on Feb 29, 2016 16:09:56 GMT -5
Primary Investigator
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Post by The Walk of the Penguin Mich on Feb 29, 2016 16:11:19 GMT -5
Principal Investigator
He is usually the one that writes the grants/gets the money. Under him, you usually have a couple of post docs (in our case, our post docs either had their PhD or dental degrees), maybe a visiting scientist or two, someone who runs the lab and a plethora of staff at the same level/under this person. During the summer, we might get an undergraduate or dental student in the lab.
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Post by zibazinski on Feb 29, 2016 16:20:12 GMT -5
Oh, thank you. I knew it had something to do with medical but all I could think of was a private investigator!
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Post by Deleted on Feb 29, 2016 16:42:54 GMT -5
Oh, thank you. I knew it had something to do with medical but all I could think of was a private investigator! Me, too. Everyone else acted like they knew what it meant, though.
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Post by mojothehelpermonkey on Feb 29, 2016 17:08:31 GMT -5
I like private investigator better. It makes our jobs sound more exciting.
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Post by Deleted on Feb 29, 2016 17:54:51 GMT -5
I like private investigator better. It makes our jobs sound more exciting. You mean as in the PI is expecting DQ to figure out which mouse is cheating on whom? Lol.
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Post by mojothehelpermonkey on Feb 29, 2016 18:28:41 GMT -5
If she is managing a breeding colony then her job probably does involving keeping tabs on the sex lives of mice.
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Post by shanendoah on Feb 29, 2016 18:39:11 GMT -5
My father is a Private Investigator, but since I work with research faculty (and no, it is not limited to the medical field), they are all Principal Investigators. That means I am almost always dependent on context when someone uses the term PI, since it means both in my world.
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Post by DagnyT on Feb 29, 2016 19:30:35 GMT -5
Zib, I know it is hard, but it is best to ignore the negative Nancys Well, the county job fell through. They claimed I was their second choice by only a couple of interview scoring points. Um, OK, whatever. Second still means no, so I have no idea why that means crap to me. It still means no job. I do have another interview for another job later this week, however. I'll call them the negative ninnies, then. Sorry, NancysSummerSip.
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Post by zibazinski on Feb 29, 2016 19:39:00 GMT -5
If she is managing a breeding colony then her job probably does involving keeping tabs on the sex lives of mice. Giggle!!!
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Post by andi9899 on Feb 29, 2016 20:09:46 GMT -5
So I went to the interview for the construction job. I think I would love it. It's a bit of a drive, but everything is. While we were talking, the lady asked when I could come back for a second interview. So that seems like a good sign.
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Post by zibazinski on Feb 29, 2016 20:13:50 GMT -5
If she is managing a breeding colony then her job probably does involving keeping tabs on the sex lives of mice. The idea of mice humping is a visual that amuses me. Sad, isn't it?
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Post by mojothehelpermonkey on Feb 29, 2016 20:31:28 GMT -5
You can actually predict when rats are getting ready to mate because they have a fairly elaborate pre-mating ritual. It involves the male rat chasing the female around the cage until she presents herself to him. It's almost romantic, but still kind of rapey. Animals.
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Post by zibazinski on Feb 29, 2016 20:49:36 GMT -5
You can actually predict when rats are getting ready to mate because they have a fairly elaborate pre-mating ritual. It involves the male rat chasing the female around the cage until she presents herself to him. It's almost romantic, but still kind of rapey. Animals. Just like a romance novel!!
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Post by TheHaitian on Feb 29, 2016 23:00:38 GMT -5
Forwarded DW a job I saw posted which I think is the perfect job for her. In another state but only 30 minutes commute. It is in Pharmaceutical research so we will most likely have to say goodbye to the IBR but income potential is definitely on the plus side. Make 25k/year more over 7 years or wait for the government to pay off 82-85k? I would bet on the 25k/year extra But I am a greedy bastard
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Post by zibazinski on Mar 1, 2016 3:14:16 GMT -5
Think about the tax implications.
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Post by wvugurl26 on Mar 1, 2016 7:15:49 GMT -5
I would go for more money now and ramp up my payments. I really think when the government has to start forgiving these loans, they will change the program and put a cap on it. $25k additional over 8 years would pay off her loans. Versus staying in her current job and hoping they don't change the program.
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Post by TheHaitian on Mar 1, 2016 8:10:21 GMT -5
I would go for more money now and ramp up my payments. I really think when the government has to start forgiving these loans, they will change the program and put a cap on it. $25k additional over 8 years would pay off her loans. Versus staying in her current job and hoping they don't change the program. Yep, I am hoping for 25k but I agree. It sounds like a great opportunity and only half hour away from home, in the private sector! She said she will tweak her resume a bit and apply. Keeping my fingers and tippy toes crossed, I think it may (if she is interviewed and get the job) finally get market rate for her skills.
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