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Post by mojothehelpermonkey on Feb 27, 2016 19:16:27 GMT -5
So I have decided that if I don't get either of the jobs I am interviewing for next week, I will take the agency job as a gateway to another job I really want within the same company. It will mean paying for my own health insurance until I get the job I have my eye on, but it will be worth it in the end. I hope to have a decision made next week. That makes sense. It sounds like you have had a lot of interviews, but sometimes it is nice to just take a job even if it is not what you want to do long term just to get out of your current situation.
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Post by seriousthistime on Feb 28, 2016 10:36:07 GMT -5
Huh, I was born and bred in New England but have not lived there for many years. I go to Martha's Vineyard just about every year and stay a week or so. NOT overrated at all, in my opinion. That I would travel more than 1,000 miles each way to do that tells you how great I think the place is. I rent a house with a group of friends. Wonderful beaches and lots of things to do. Just after Labor Day is a good time to go. If you go in August, try to avoid the week that the Obamas are there. I would not recommend NH as a vacation spot, but it all depends on what you are looking for. For me, the beach is what makes it a vacation. I'm curious, as I live 10 minutes from a top-notch beach, what is the draw? What are the lots of things to do? (Hoping to travel to NE someday, but not sure exactly where to go.) I'm not sure I can do it justice. First, it's an island, so you have to fly in or take the ferry. It makes you feel as if you are leaving it all behind, which is the point of a vacation, right? (The Cape has this feeling once you cross the bridge, and I imagine Key West, Catalina, and other such places do too.) With water on all sides, you've got your choice of beaches with calm water on the sound side and good-sized waves on the ocean side. As with most touristy places, there are lots of restaurants in all price ranges and for every meal, and if you like seafood you're in the right place. Lots of little shops to browse in, and the usual ice cream places and fudge shops. There are great walking and biking trails. There is a lot of history on Martha's Vineyard. The Campground is a special place with Victorian cottages that are sometimes on tour. Sometimes there is a house tour of historic African-American houses. There are often great performances and events when we go. The Tabernacle has performances during the summer, with famous and semi-famous musicians and other eclectic events, including a performance of The Moth, which is recorded for the radio (NPR). Martha's Vineyard is also a getaway for middle class and affluent African Americans. This is good info: www.washingtonpost.com/wp-dyn/content/article/2009/08/19/AR2009081904045.html?sid=ST2009082001663There is no racial clash, and no culture clash. People just react to each other as people, and race is irrelevant. It's a relief to go there and interact with people of different races without expecting that stereotypes (which go both ways) will be a factor. For me, salt air, the sound of seagulls, cool sea breezes, and ocean views relax me. Where I live in the landlocked Midwest, I get none of those things. I've spent time on three of the Great Lakes. It's not the same.
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Post by raeoflyte on Feb 28, 2016 14:46:45 GMT -5
There are many days that I'm not in the same office with my boss or even if we are I'm working on vastly different projects. I've been in this position for a year, but I still check in with him at least weekly, sometimes daily to give him a run through of what I'm working on and ask him to let me know if I need to re-prioritize. Those conversations go better proactively IME and opens the dialogue about being open to feedback especially if you haven't worked together before. Volunteering for additional work goes a long way toward building respect but only if you actually have time to do it, and a lot of those extra projects you take on during a slow week become part of your regular duties going forward. So if you don't feel like you actually have down time, I'd focus on asking about re-prioritizing rather than inviting a bigger workload.
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Post by Lizard Queen on Feb 28, 2016 15:21:10 GMT -5
I'm curious, as I live 10 minutes from a top-notch beach, what is the draw? What are the lots of things to do? (Hoping to travel to NE someday, but not sure exactly where to go.) I'm not sure I can do it justice. First, it's an island, so you have to fly in or take the ferry. It makes you feel as if you are leaving it all behind, which is the point of a vacation, right? (The Cape has this feeling once you cross the bridge, and I imagine Key West, Catalina, and other such places do too.) With water on all sides, you've got your choice of beaches with calm water on the sound side and good-sized waves on the ocean side. As with most touristy places, there are lots of restaurants in all price ranges and for every meal, and if you like seafood you're in the right place. Lots of little shops to browse in, and the usual ice cream places and fudge shops. There are great walking and biking trails. There is a lot of history on Martha's Vineyard. The Campground is a special place with Victorian cottages that are sometimes on tour. Sometimes there is a house tour of historic African-American houses. There are often great performances and events when we go. The Tabernacle has performances during the summer, with famous and semi-famous musicians and other eclectic events, including a performance of The Moth, which is recorded for the radio (NPR). Martha's Vineyard is also a getaway for middle class and affluent African Americans. This is good info: www.washingtonpost.com/wp-dyn/content/article/2009/08/19/AR2009081904045.html?sid=ST2009082001663There is no racial clash, and no culture clash. People just react to each other as people, and race is irrelevant. It's a relief to go there and interact with people of different races without expecting that stereotypes (which go both ways) will be a factor. For me, salt air, the sound of seagulls, cool sea breezes, and ocean views relax me. Where I live in the landlocked Midwest, I get none of those things. I've spent time on three of the Great Lakes. It's not the same. Thanks for the info. It sounds very nice, except for the beach chickens, as we like to call them. . We'd probably skip the beach there for the most part, except for maybe a little exploring. The Moth radio hour recording sounds awesome, though.
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Post by NomoreDramaQ1015 on Feb 28, 2016 16:49:22 GMT -5
There are many days that I'm not in the same office with my boss or even if we are I'm working on vastly different projects. I've been in this position for a year, but I still check in with him at least weekly, sometimes daily to give him a run through of what I'm working on and ask him to let me know if I need to re-prioritize. Those conversations go better proactively IME and opens the dialogue about being open to feedback especially if you haven't worked together before. Volunteering for additional work goes a long way toward building respect but only if you actually have time to do it, and a lot of those extra projects you take on during a slow week become part of your regular duties going forward. So if you don't feel like you actually have down time, I'd focus on asking about re-prioritizing rather than inviting a bigger workload. I have two hour long meetings every week with a third one every second Tuesday of the month. I think I meet with them plenty. They are so obsessed with meetings I got in trouble two weeks ago for being "too busy" and arriving five minutes late. So I'm getting mixed messages. Am I not busy and in danger or am I too busy and need to make sure I have free time for all these meetings? Am I reading too much into it? Is this just her personality? I can tell you from observation that no one in the lab is busy every single hour of the day. I am going to try breaking down things more so while I am communicating the same information it appears more packed. I can break down bleeding mice into four different tasks. I am not sure what there is to reprioritize. If there are no mice then there are no experiments and there is no money. If I take my attention too far away from the trans lunes they are going to collasoe b\c they have no understanding of how it all works. Cord blood cannot wait it will go bad losing precious cells. So much of my work takes place out of sight it's very hard to get some people to understand I am busy. I'm getting the strong impression they aren't animal people therefore they don't get how involved their SRT up its send at least day to day is not given as much credit as a flash experiment in the lab. The attitude is not new to me. I am just not sure what to do about it this time. If keeping a detailed list doesn't work I'll have to ask them what they want and to give me more duties if need be. . Hopefully that does not backfire in my face and result in me making mistakes, like dropping things into the nitrogen tank for instance. I'm trying to learn from the last and not take on so much I drown in an attempt to please people but then I get comments on my productivity. I ran a lab alone for five years. I can take on more and more if it makes them happy. I can tackle making an entire lab inventory which should be done but will be a nightmare. I can make a paper copy of our biosaftey manual. If that on top of everything I currently do is still not enough it is their problem and maybe I'll need to look elsewhere. I might talk with the other tech. We commiserated over the "you need to do all this stuff yesterday before something happens to me." approach our one boss has. I'm sure he's encountered the not busy attitude as well. He and the other tech looked at me like I was nuts when I repearpted the conversation so there is a disconnect somewhere.
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Post by TheHaitian on Feb 28, 2016 16:50:34 GMT -5
I'm curious, as I live 10 minutes from a top-notch beach, what is the draw? What are the lots of things to do? (Hoping to travel to NE someday, but not sure exactly where to go.) I'm not sure I can do it justice. First, it's an island, so you have to fly in or take the ferry. It makes you feel as if you are leaving it all behind, which is the point of a vacation, right? (The Cape has this feeling once you cross the bridge, and I imagine Key West, Catalina, and other such places do too.) With water on all sides, you've got your choice of beaches with calm water on the sound side and good-sized waves on the ocean side. As with most touristy places, there are lots of restaurants in all price ranges and for every meal, and if you like seafood you're in the right place. Lots of little shops to browse in, and the usual ice cream places and fudge shops. There are great walking and biking trails. There is a lot of history on Martha's Vineyard. The Campground is a special place with Victorian cottages that are sometimes on tour. Sometimes there is a house tour of historic African-American houses. There are often great performances and events when we go. The Tabernacle has performances during the summer, with famous and semi-famous musicians and other eclectic events, including a performance of The Moth, which is recorded for the radio (NPR). Martha's Vineyard is also a getaway for middle class and affluent African Americans. This is good info: www.washingtonpost.com/wp-dyn/content/article/2009/08/19/AR2009081904045.html?sid=ST2009082001663There is no racial clash, and no culture clash. People just react to each other as people, and race is irrelevant. It's a relief to go there and interact with people of different races without expecting that stereotypes (which go both ways) will be a factor. For me, salt air, the sound of seagulls, cool sea breezes, and ocean views relax me. Where I live in the landlocked Midwest, I get none of those things. I've spent time on three of the Great Lakes. It's not the same. Thank you, you said it better than I could! We love Oak Bluffs and we love Martha's Vineyard
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Post by raeoflyte on Feb 28, 2016 17:43:31 GMT -5
I know you're under a lot of pressure, and I think it is likely that you're reading too much into it, but without talking to your supervisors I don't know how you will be able to determine that for certain. Your current meetings aren't addressing the communication issues you are having so trying a different approach seems warranted. If your supervisors don't know what goes into each of your tasks, then breaking up individual steps may help your situation. How long have you been there? Can you ask for a 30/60/90 day review to ask them for direct feedback and voice your concerns?
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Post by NomoreDramaQ1015 on Feb 28, 2016 17:55:22 GMT -5
I've been at the job since the start of November.
DH thinks I am reading too much into it. Besides these two comments I've received compliments for the most part with some constructive criticism concerning things I am totally new at which is expected.
This has not been a good time for left handed compliments. I understand they can't know that and nor should they care. Stuff I can handle is pissing me off or feeding my paranoia.
Ill try keeping a list for the second week of March and go off that for Friday's meeting. If I get another comment I'll ask for a private meeting\review stating I am now having concerns and want to make sure I am doing my job as they see fit.
I think that sounds like a good approach. I don't want them knowing exactly how neurotic I really am but also don't want things to sit either.
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Post by debthaven on Feb 28, 2016 18:31:52 GMT -5
I'm late to this thread, we were away. Carl, I think you are insane to take on a second job.
You talk about wanting to hit your potential 40K bonus ... I'm sure a very large part of that is being available to the company that JUST hired you. Or if there is a problem in your store one day / evening, are you planning on telling them sorry, but I have to leave to work my second job?!
Your hours seem crazy enough, but to take on a second, badly-paid job when you've barely started at your new company after being FIRED from your old one, despite many years of loyal service to them?! Sorry, but that seems really crazy / insane / penny wise and pound foolish to me. Especially since we all know your wife loves Crate and Barrel so we can guess where your salary from your second job is probably going to end up, given the employee discount. But even if your wife has decided not to spend one red cent at Crate and Barrel, I still think it's a VERY foolish decision.
I'm sorry but you REALLY need to focus, to revaluate things, to reprioritise. And, you also need to cut / lower your expenses.
As always, good luck with whatever you decide.
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Post by mojothehelpermonkey on Feb 28, 2016 18:38:44 GMT -5
I have a hard time blowing off criticism too, even if I know it is unwarranted and especially if it is coming from my boss. You are probably doing fine at your job, and your PIs just feel like they are only managing if they are pointing out what you are doing wrong. They are probably brilliant scientists who are terrible at management, and that's a lot to deal with right now, but I also bet that your job is still secure as long as they have funding to pay you. Keep talking to your lab mates to try to figure out why they don't think you are busy enough. They might be able to help you figure out how to use the right words to convince them because some PIs are crazy.
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Post by milee on Feb 28, 2016 19:12:17 GMT -5
I've been at the job since the start of November. DH thinks I am reading too much into it. Besides these two comments I've received compliments for the most part with some constructive criticism concerning things I am totally new at which is expected. If there was a single offhand comment about you not being busy enough then I'd agree with DH. But when it happens more than once, you're smart to take notice and try to figure out what's going on.
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Post by NomoreDramaQ1015 on Feb 28, 2016 20:07:23 GMT -5
I have a hard time blowing off criticism too, even if I know it is unwarranted and especially if it is coming from my boss. You are probably doing fine at your job, and your PIs just feel like they are only managing if they are pointing out what you are doing wrong. They are probably brilliant scientists who are terrible at management, and that's a lot to deal with right now, but I also bet that your job is still secure as long as they have funding to pay you. Keep talking to your lab mates to try to figure out why they don't think you are busy enough. They might be able to help you figure out how to use the right words to convince them because some PIs are crazy. That's a good idea. They helped me with my one PI always being hyper. They said take it in stride because I'll kill myself trying to keep up, as long as it gets done eventually it's fine. Since I'm the only one in the lab with extensive mouse skills I am fairly secure. Those mice are a huge cash cow for the lab and they told me the reason they hired me is because things are getting to the level where they really need someone who has colony and breeding experience. I have that in spades. But I do need to get a grasp on the lab politics going on here. It'll make my life easier. It's been awhile since I've had to deal with politics.
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Post by zibazinski on Feb 28, 2016 21:13:05 GMT -5
I have a hard time blowing off criticism too, even if I know it is unwarranted and especially if it is coming from my boss. You are probably doing fine at your job, and your PIs just feel like they are only managing if they are pointing out what you are doing wrong. They are probably brilliant scientists who are terrible at management, and that's a lot to deal with right now, but I also bet that your job is still secure as long as they have funding to pay you. Keep talking to your lab mates to try to figure out why they don't think you are busy enough. They might be able to help you figure out how to use the right words to convince them because some PIs are crazy. That's a good idea. They helped me with my one PI always being hyper. They said take it in stride because I'll kill myself trying to keep up, as long as it gets done eventually it's fine. Since I'm the only one in the lab with extensive mouse skills I am fairly secure. Those mice are a huge cash cow for the lab and they told me the reason they hired me is because things are getting to the level where they really need someone who has colony and breeding experience. I have that in spades. But I do need to get a grasp on the lab politics going on here. It'll make my life easier. It's been awhile since I've had to deal with politics. Ugh. Why can't they just let you do your job in peace ?
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Post by moneymaven on Feb 29, 2016 1:50:33 GMT -5
Drama, my $.02 is that you're sensitive to lots of things right now and I wouldn't invest too much energy into dissecting the feedback. Also, don't take on emotional or difficult conversations right now. Seems a good time to me to buckle down and knock out work - maybe find some reprieve in work than the challenges you're facing at home.
Remember, this is all temporary.
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Post by finnime on Feb 29, 2016 7:38:20 GMT -5
I have a hard time blowing off criticism too, even if I know it is unwarranted and especially if it is coming from my boss. You are probably doing fine at your job, and your PIs just feel like they are only managing if they are pointing out what you are doing wrong. They are probably brilliant scientists who are terrible at management, and that's a lot to deal with right now, but I also bet that your job is still secure as long as they have funding to pay you. Keep talking to your lab mates to try to figure out why they don't think you are busy enough. They might be able to help you figure out how to use the right words to convince them because some PIs are crazy. That's a good idea. They helped me with my one PI always being hyper. They said take it in stride because I'll kill myself trying to keep up, as long as it gets done eventually it's fine. Since I'm the only one in the lab with extensive mouse skills I am fairly secure. Those mice are a huge cash cow for the lab and they told me the reason they hired me is because things are getting to the level where they really need someone who has colony and breeding experience. I have that in spades. But I do need to get a grasp on the lab politics going on here. It'll make my life easier. It's been awhile since I've had to deal with politics.This line cracked me up, after your Boys Town experience. For your situation now - communications will be the key, it seems, to a smooth relationship with your PI's. One thing you might do is have at the ready a couple of responses if you hear a comment again about not being busy - such as chuckling ruefully and saying that would be great, if you could only finish the planning you're doing to fix x, y and z. This works best if every time you sit for a moment you have a notebook with pen open, ready to scribble notes feverishly. Also, at your regular status meetings, openly discuss what you're doing, how long it takes and how long results will take to finalize, and tell them you appreciate their support because it is very important to you that you are aligned with their goals. Explain that you are a bit of a perfectionist, and are happy to be able to use your skills for this importatnt work. This helps in every way, especially for them to see you as a person on the team, not just a pair of hands. Lastly, my impression from your writing is that you worry a great deal. You are good, you know. You are learning a new organization, people, places, things, and coming off a seriously bad situation that will taint your view for some time. It will work out. It already is.
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Post by NomoreDramaQ1015 on Feb 29, 2016 9:18:34 GMT -5
Let me rephrase that I haven't had to deal with NORMAL office politics in awhile. DH and I talked a lot this weekend. He's going to express desire to go full time at Hy-Vee to whoever will listen and continue to be open to working in other departments. They've told him there are opportunities like helping with opening a new store that can come to people who are interested and "go getters". Apparently you can bank a lot of money helping with setting up new stores. So DH expressed his interest in that. He's going to keep looking for a higher paying job but he figures might as well make the most of what's he's got now. It'd be better for us as a family and maybe it could end up being a new career.
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Post by NomoreDramaQ1015 on Feb 29, 2016 11:03:38 GMT -5
I talked to the other technician and he said she does that to him all the time too. It's her way of keeping us motivated and reminding us there is work to do.
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Post by Deleted on Feb 29, 2016 11:06:30 GMT -5
It absolutely could Drama! Hope for better future/circumstances is a positive emotion/belief that has always done me wonders, truly. I know it can be hard when Murphy won't go away and keeps comin' but that's when you cry in the shower and vent to your friends here and get it off your chest. Deep breathing, relaxation music/meditation/reading/spiritual etc., helps too I believe.
Wishing you the best! Chin up; it'll get better all the way around, you'll see...
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Post by zibazinski on Feb 29, 2016 11:37:14 GMT -5
Shabbona, I need your cheering on, too!!
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Post by andi9899 on Feb 29, 2016 11:55:17 GMT -5
I don't know. The guy was excited and said that even though my commercial background isn't as strong as he would like, he was going to instead hire two people and make a more "learning" role so I can learn what I need without pressure. He was talking about how he thought highly of me and that I have what it takes, just needed a little more training and he was going to call me back after he figured it out with HR on Monday or Tuesday of this week. I called late Tuesday as I hadn't heard from him and he said he was really busy and would get back to me Wednesday. I didn't hear anything so left him a message on Thursday and still haven't heard back. I'm leaving it alone for a few more days and hoping that he just needs a few more days to figure it out. I don't see how it was so positive that he was creating an additional role just for me and then is just not calling me back. Ugh; That's definitely frustrating. I've been on both sides of that situation, and I still don't know the best way to handle it. I hope you have resolution soon.So I got an email over the weekend from the guy yhat says that they have to get the comp plan approved and post the position. What should my response be? I was thinking something like "Thanks so much for the update. Should I watch for the posting and apply to it? What kind of time frame are you looking at for this to post?" Does that sound too pushy? Plus, I want to know if this is just a technicality, or if I should keep interviewing, but don't know how to word it.
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Post by Deleted on Feb 29, 2016 12:43:34 GMT -5
Awww Zib...I'm sorry! You have all the cheering from me you can stand, dear! Problem is I can't get on here very often and have time to post even less...but kinda goes in spurts, too...but will try and post more. Difficult tho...
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Post by zibazinski on Feb 29, 2016 12:50:54 GMT -5
Awww Zib...I'm sorry! You have all the cheering from me you can stand, dear! Problem is I can't get on here very often and have time to post even less...but kinda goes in spurts, too...but will try and post more. Difficult tho...
Well, I'd like to have some advice but then again, I don't feel this is a safe arena to do so anymore.
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Post by zibazinski on Feb 29, 2016 12:51:28 GMT -5
So prayers will be very helpful. Since advice can't be forthcoming.
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Post by NomoreDramaQ1015 on Feb 29, 2016 12:53:01 GMT -5
Talked to another tech and she said the same thing. She's going to have some tissue to cut tomorrow. She can easily do it all herself but is going to throw me a bone. Since that seems to be what my PI likes to focus on that should generate me some good PR. Tech suggested maybe I should make the tissue cutter my desk area from now on.
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Post by whoisjohngalt on Feb 29, 2016 12:54:20 GMT -5
Awww Zib...I'm sorry! You have all the cheering from me you can stand, dear! Problem is I can't get on here very often and have time to post even less...but kinda goes in spurts, too...but will try and post more. Difficult tho...
Well, I'd like to have some advice but then again, I don't feel this is a safe arena to do so anymore. Please don't feel like this. There are plenty of people on here who would be happy to help you!
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Post by zibazinski on Feb 29, 2016 13:15:25 GMT -5
Well, I'd like to have some advice but then again, I don't feel this is a safe arena to do so anymore. Please don't feel like this. There are plenty of people on here who would be happy to help you! Thank you. Perhaps at a later time.
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Post by emma1420 on Feb 29, 2016 13:17:32 GMT -5
Well I cancelled my interview for later this week. I'd had misgivings, but I thought I'd go ahead and at least see how it went, but then the HR person at the organization sent me an email (clearly intended for the hiring manager) about how my writing sample -- I sent some marketing copy -- wasn't really a writing sample and in general I wasn't leaving them with a really good impression.
Now, they didn't indicate what sort of writing sample they were looking for, but when I sent them the writing sample I offered to send them something else if what I provided didn't work for their needs. So I responded to the email clearly not intended for me and withdrew from the process. I also thanked them for their time, and I wished them luck on finding the right person. I'm pretty proud I didn't below a gasket!
The only acknowledgment i got was the cancellation of the appointment in outlook. So I'm fairly sure I've dodged a large bullet there. I'm very grateful I don't need a job right now, because if an organization can't behave in a professional manner during the interview process then they must be a nightmare to work for.
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Post by NomoreDramaQ1015 on Feb 29, 2016 14:16:49 GMT -5
That one job I REALLY wanted popped up again. I talked about it in another post it's the one they pulled b/c they weren't in agreement on the job description. Looks like they either merged or got sold to another company b/c the post is under one name but when I go to the company web site it has the name I know it under. Had to come after I got this job and while DH is unemployed. Why couldn't it have shown up again while I was at Boys Town? Oh well it's better I stay here for now. Plus looking at the job description there are skills I am learning here that would make me more attractive. Here's hoping that post comes up again in the far future!
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Post by swamp on Feb 29, 2016 14:50:29 GMT -5
That one job I REALLY wanted popped up again. I talked about it in another post it's the one they pulled b/c they weren't in agreement on the job description. Looks like they either merged or got sold to another company b/c the post is under one name but when I go to the company web site it has the name I know it under. Had to come after I got this job and while DH is unemployed. Why couldn't it have shown up again while I was at Boys Town? Oh well it's better I stay here for now. Plus looking at the job description there are skills I am learning here that would make me more attractive. Here's hoping that post comes up again in the far future! just apply. it can't hurt.
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DagnyT
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Post by DagnyT on Feb 29, 2016 15:06:34 GMT -5
Please don't feel like this. There are plenty of people on here who would be happy to help you! Thank you. Perhaps at a later time. Zib, I know it is hard, but it is best to ignore the negative Nancys and the brilliant bullies. You have been through a really difficult time. I will pray for you. When you are ready, please seek advice here again.
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