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Post by Jaguar on Jan 28, 2016 20:20:15 GMT -5
Holy Mary Mother of God, that is so fucked up Drama. I'm sorry. So freaking <<< YEAH THAT >>>
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Post by NomoreDramaQ1015 on Jan 28, 2016 20:22:01 GMT -5
I don't get it, all new employees do boneheaded things, you're usually corrected. If you do it after that then you get in trouble.
How can you follow policy if you don't know its policy? Do they think they are so awesome that all other employers copy them?
The point of your first few weeks tends to unlearning old rules and figuring out the new ones. I'd have been fired a dozen times over if my employers behaved like that.
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Post by Works4me on Jan 28, 2016 20:25:28 GMT -5
Drama - IMHO, your DH needs to reapply for UEI and also go to the state labor board. They will be so happy to get info like this about a major employer that is screwing people over.
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Post by TheHaitian on Jan 28, 2016 20:31:36 GMT -5
DH quit. The manager went off on him about wasting literally two minutes checking his email befor e clocking out. He told DH that he was not important enough to be checking emails. Only the manager should be communicating with people and he would decide what DH was allowed to know and if hed be permitted to respond. Cue the crazy train, they said the same thing to me at BT. DH apologized saying that isn't in the handbook and nobody told him. Manager said too bad. He proceed to call DH incompetent and a bad employee. A good one wouldnt be checking his email or trying to gear up while on the clock. The last straw was he said no way would DH ever get the hours he wanted, bad employees don't get later hours. DH needed to be watched. I can't say I am shocked but I am not happy. I thought we'd have another employer lined up before the poo hit the fan. So we're back at square one. DH applied for a ton of jobs and contacted the dairy that was interested in him. FIL is going to float us the daycare money for February. DH and I agreed if he does not have full time employment in two weeks he will get a crap part time job to keep us afloat. Not feeling to good right now. I am sick of cray cray managers and worrying about money all the time. Hopefully the next employer will be a better fit. WTF drama!!! I am so sorry, that truly sucks!
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Post by MJ2.0 on Jan 28, 2016 20:37:17 GMT -5
Drama - IMHO, your DH needs to reapply for UEI and also go to the state labor board. They will be so happy to get info like this about a major employer that is screwing people over. 2 major employers.
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Post by NomoreDramaQ1015 on Jan 28, 2016 20:37:51 GMT -5
I think I should change my screen name. It seems to be attracting crazy. I passed on the suggestion to call Nebraska's department of labor. I also showed him the link Archie posted. He is going to call tomorrow.
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Post by Abby Normal on Jan 28, 2016 20:44:59 GMT -5
DH quit. The manager went off on him about wasting literally two minutes checking his email befor e clocking out. He told DH that he was not important enough to be checking emails. Only the manager should be communicating with people and he would decide what DH was allowed to know and if hed be permitted to respond. Cue the crazy train, they said the same thing to me at BT. DH apologized saying that isn't in the handbook and nobody told him. Manager said too bad. He proceed to call DH incompetent and a bad employee. A good one wouldnt be checking his email or trying to gear up while on the clock. The last straw was he said no way would DH ever get the hours he wanted, bad employees don't get later hours. DH needed to be watched. I can't say I am shocked but I am not happy. I thought we'd have another employer lined up before the poo hit the fan. So we're back at square one. DH applied for a ton of jobs and contacted the dairy that was interested in him. FIL is going to float us the daycare money for February. DH and I agreed if he does not have full time employment in two weeks he will get a crap part time job to keep us afloat. Not feeling to good right now. I am sick of cray cray managers and worrying about money all the time. Hopefully the next employer will be a better fit. Holy crap. You should really talk to the department of labor in your state. He got yelled at for checking his work email on the clock. Wow just wow. The whole thing with the email and the gear is not ligit.
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Post by giramomma on Jan 28, 2016 20:46:24 GMT -5
Hey guys, jumping in here for a second. Another "dream" state job was just posted today and whenever I see anything similar to this, I definitely apply (and will this time too). However there is one big thing complicating it this time... I'll be on maternity leave this summer. I am absolutely qualified for this position and some of the people in the department actually know me (I'm hoping my regular contact isn't the person leaving), and I'm going to graduate school to get further education that would be useful in getting jobs like this. Unless they have some stellar internal person, I feel I'd be a strong candidate. How do employers generally view pregnant women applying for jobs? I'd like to think that the fact I'm applying while pregnant conveys that I'm serious about it and wouldn't change my mind and not go back to work, but another issue I have here is that this job is related to beach water quality and monitoring, which obviously happens during the summer so I don't know if they'd want someone who would be out their whole first summer. Pay scale is also an issue - I'd need to start at well over halfway up their pay scale to make it worth the move, especially since when my coworker leaves I'll get his position and a raise. and commuting into Boston, whether driving or train will cost me more money and time obviously, so I definitely wouldn't take this position unless they could offer me a salary that would be worth it. Anyway, I guess I just wanted some feedback on interviewing pregnant women for positions (or being the pregnant woman interviewing, lol). If they chose to interview me, if it wasn't obvious by that point, do I bring it up? (I'd imagine yes, in the interest of being honest?) Good luck and fingers crossed to everyone else searching and interviewing! I wouldn't bring it up during a first interview. If you were brought in for a second, then that is when I might discuss it. I'm watching the interview process at my job, and we aren't being candid about the job duties with our interviewees until the second interview. I interviewed for my job 7 months pregnant. One of my co-workers applied for her job very pregnant. We both got the jobs, but we also had a relationship with those on the hiring committee in my department. When I interviewed for my job, my department head told me that if it didn't work out- meaning if I were to quit to be a SAHM-that there would be no hard feelings. Normal people don't say that during interviews..and we have a friendly relationship...my kids are his surrogate grandkids. I reminded him, jokingly, that I was our only source of income, so he need not worry about me quitting. In all of my pregnancies, I outlined my critical tasks and worked at home to get them done while I on leave. This allowed me to get back on payroll sooner, and I could work part time for a month, transitioning to full time after I started working. But, I also have had easy recoveries. Like, back at work in some capacity at the two week mark easy.
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Post by giramomma on Jan 28, 2016 20:49:46 GMT -5
Drama..I'm so sorry..
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Post by cael on Jan 28, 2016 20:51:44 GMT -5
Thanks gira. Yeah, it might be obvious enough at a first interview depending on when they scheduled it, but I wouldn't say anything unless they did. I'm guessing I couldn't do much while on leave since it would be such a new job I wouldn't even be going with everything yet, and I do want to take 12 weeks off if I can financially swing it. If I got this new job I may have to go back earlier, especially since I wouldn't have the sick time to cover it. If I got a good offer that was worth it that might be a sacrifice I'd have to consider making.
All I can do is apply and see what happens! In 6ish years I've probably applied to 10ish state jobs, and I've had like, two interviews.
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Post by steph08 on Jan 28, 2016 20:51:48 GMT -5
cael - I have been on interviews while pregnant. I did not inform them that I was pregnant. If you don't tell, they can't ask and use it in their decision.
Personally, I think it shows dedication and that you have no plans to up and quit after having the baby, but some people would not want 2-3 months of inconvenience even though you would give them 20-30 years.
Since you would still be with the state, you don't have the issue of maternity leave, not qualifying for STD, etc. That is why I am holding off on my job hunt until after I give birth.
Edit - oh you aren't with the state now? You would want to see if you would even qualify for short term disability because usually you have to have the policy for more than a year before giving birth.
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Post by swasat on Jan 28, 2016 20:53:02 GMT -5
Holy shit!! NomoreDramaQ1015, that so horrible. I am so sorry for all that your family has gone through. There is crazy, and then there is CRAZY....this is B.A.T.S.H.I.T C.R.A.Z.Y
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Post by cael on Jan 28, 2016 20:54:15 GMT -5
Oh, and another thing - is it appropriate to add a blurb (short of course!) in my cover letter discussing how I'm in school specifically so I can obtain a job like this in the future and that this type of work is exactly what I want to do? Or should I put something like that in my resume? My resume is pretty to the point and factual, I don't know if you can or should add in extra things like that. (clearly I haven't applied for tons of jobs in my life, lol)
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Post by giramomma on Jan 28, 2016 20:56:17 GMT -5
I am absolutely qualified for this position and some of the people in the department actually know me (I'm hoping my regular contact isn't the person leaving), and I'm going to graduate school to get further education that would be useful in getting jobs like this. Unless they have some stellar internal person, I feel I'd be a strong candidate. Honestly, from my (limited) experience, I want to say that your interactions with others in the department are going to make more of an impression than your pregnancy. We had two candidates that I think could have been invited to the next round of interviews. They were qualified for the position. One of them did not make it two the second round because of past interactions between them and one person on the interview team. The other person was not granted a second interview because another one of our interview team knew a co-worker of an applicant and they chatted in passing...
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Post by cael on Jan 28, 2016 20:56:35 GMT -5
cael - I have been on interviews while pregnant. I did not inform them that I was pregnant. If you don't tell, they can't ask and use it in their decision. Personally, I think it shows dedication and that you have no plans to up and quit after having the baby, but some people would not want 2-3 months of inconvenience even though you would give them 20-30 years. Since you would still be with the state, you don't have the issue of maternity leave, not qualifying for STD, etc. That is why I am holding off on my job hunt until after I give birth. Edit - oh you aren't with the state now? You would want to see if you would even qualify for short term disability because usually you have to have the policy for more than a year before giving birth. Yeah, I'm municipal right now not state, so my years served would be applied for retirement (and the retirement systems are the same I think) but I"d probably have to start over with sick and vacation time. My life and STD insurance are through work so I don't know if that would transfer, good point about that... I'd probably just have to save up and cover what I could of leave.
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Post by cael on Jan 28, 2016 20:59:26 GMT -5
I am absolutely qualified for this position and some of the people in the department actually know me (I'm hoping my regular contact isn't the person leaving), and I'm going to graduate school to get further education that would be useful in getting jobs like this. Unless they have some stellar internal person, I feel I'd be a strong candidate. Honestly, from my (limited) experience, I want to say that your interactions with others in the department are going to make more of an impression than your pregnancy. We had two candidates that I think could have been invited to the next round of interviews. They were qualified for the position. One of them did not make it two the second round because of past interactions between them and one person on the interview team. The other person was not granted a second interview because another one of our interview team knew a co-worker of an applicant and they chatted in passing... I actually emailed my contact in this department a few days ago with a question, we've had a good rapport for years. I haven't heard from him yet and he's usually pretty prompt... so I saw this today and thought jeez, maybe it's him leaving! Depending if I hear back from him next week I may reach out by phone and inquire about the opening (if he's still there obviously). I did this a year and a half ago when another position there opened up - wasn't much he could do or tell me besides what was posted, but I know he'd put a good word in if he could.
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Post by wvugurl26 on Jan 28, 2016 20:59:49 GMT -5
Sorry drama. You deserve some good luck after all this shit!!
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Post by swasat on Jan 28, 2016 21:04:13 GMT -5
On my job front, I did not take any steps for a change today. None. I am just not sure what I am feeling. A part of me says I should be aggressive and find a better fit and move. The other part of me says its only been 2 weeks of change, give it a few weeks for things to settle down and then see where it takes me. In my past I have never made good decisions when I am in a funk. So I am doing nothing today and tomorrow. Over the weekend I will sit down and shine up my resume and register for the certification I know I should take. We will see how the wind blows in the next few weeks... I did get into a huge fight with DH this morning. I was ranting to him about my job. Everytime I said something about my job, he came back with "Oh you think yours is bad? Let me tell you what we have going on, what I am facing...". NO issue of mine was as big or as scary as his. His issues topped everything!! Pissed me off supremely and I let him have it! So then he comes back with how I am so "unapproachable" when I am stressed and thats why he hesitates to ask me whats bugging me. He is in the doghouse until further notice.
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Post by Works4me on Jan 28, 2016 21:11:45 GMT -5
Drama - I disagree with the PP and would only discuss the OS labor issues with UE and the BOL. In fact, being asked to repeatedly work off the clock in the manner in which he was could be spun as being a good reason for leaving becaus he cannot see being able to function as QA at a place like that, Especially given the fact that he had dealt with the suiting up at a previous employer. He needs to come off as totally shocked and amazed at what he experienced at what is such a well regarded place. In my experience, the state would love nothing more than to bust OS's chops because it shows good reason for the heir existence. Your DH also needs to sit down and make a list of all of the errors and illegal policies, including what he was told today, with dates no times. A calendar can be good to,keep,in the car for future no one can note actual times in/out as well as these types of occurrences. I am a strong believer in CMA.
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Post by muttleynfelix on Jan 28, 2016 21:52:03 GMT -5
Oh shit Drama. That sucks.
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Post by giramomma on Jan 28, 2016 22:07:00 GMT -5
I did get into a huge fight with DH this morning. I was ranting to him about my job. Everytime I said something about my job, he came back with "Oh you think yours is bad? Let me tell you what we have going on, what I am facing...". NO issue of mine was as big or as scary as his. His issues topped everything!! Pissed me off supremely and I let him have it! So then he comes back with how I am so "unapproachable" when I am stressed and thats why he hesitates to ask me whats bugging me. He is in the doghouse until further notice. I don't have these conversations with my DH anymore. DH does the same thing sometimes..In his world, he thinks he's empathizing with me. It usually ends up with me telling him to shut up...
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Post by tcu2003 on Jan 28, 2016 22:12:21 GMT -5
Oh shit Drama. That sucks. This.
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Post by NomoreDramaQ1015 on Jan 28, 2016 22:17:01 GMT -5
Drama - I disagree with the PP and would only discuss the OS labor issues with UE and the BOL. In fact, being asked to repeatedly work off the clock in the manner in which he was could be spun as being a good reason for leaving becaus he cannot see being able to function as QA at a place like that, Especially given the fact that he had dealt with the suiting up at a previous employer. He needs to come off as totally shocked and amazed at what he experienced at what is such a well regarded place. In my experience, the state would love nothing more than to bust OS's chops because it shows good reason for the heir existence. Your DH also needs to sit down and make a list of all of the errors and illegal policies, including what he was told today, with dates no times. A calendar can be good to,keep,in the car for future no one can note actual times in/out as well as these types of occurrences. I am a strong believer in CMA. That's the plan. I showed him the dol link Archie posted. DH was pretty sure what they are doing is illegal. Both previous employers were manical about making sure you clocked in BEFORE you geared up. He said that made no sense if it was legal to make him do it off the clock. The rest of the plant is unionized, only the QAs can't be part of the Union. It surprises me that a company with such expensive products treats their quality assurance peopke so poorly. There isn't any proof of what happened at DHs former company. If there was I think we would potentially have a case for gender discrimination. As it stands it isn't worth kicking that hornets nest.
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Post by Wisconsin Beth on Jan 28, 2016 22:25:14 GMT -5
Oh, and another thing - is it appropriate to add a blurb (short of course!) in my cover letter discussing how I'm in school specifically so I can obtain a job like this in the future and that this type of work is exactly what I want to do? Or should I put something like that in my resume? My resume is pretty to the point and factual, I don't know if you can or should add in extra things like that. (clearly I haven't applied for tons of jobs in my life, lol) bulb in the cover letter and expected graduation date, if coming fast, in the education section of your resume. Eta I was 2 semesters from getting my AA when I interviewed with my current dept. By the time they hired me, I was 1/2 half though another semester. Hiring was contigent on me finishing the degree. I did have my A+ and Network+ certifications already though.
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Post by Wisconsin Beth on Jan 28, 2016 22:29:11 GMT -5
I did get into a huge fight with DH this morning. I was ranting to him about my job. Everytime I said something about my job, he came back with "Oh you think yours is bad? Let me tell you what we have going on, what I am facing...". NO issue of mine was as big or as scary as his. His issues topped everything!! Pissed me off supremely and I let him have it! So then he comes back with how I am so "unapproachable" when I am stressed and thats why he hesitates to ask me whats bugging me. He is in the doghouse until further notice. I don't have these conversations with my DH anymore. DH does the same thing sometimes..In his world, he thinks he's empathizing with me. It usually ends up with me telling him to shut up... I've been known to tell my dh that I need to bitch and his role is to listen and provide me with the appropriate food and/or beverage. That I don't want solutions, I'm venting.
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Post by TheOtherMe on Jan 28, 2016 23:23:00 GMT -5
Drama, that stinks.
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Post by geenamercile on Jan 29, 2016 6:17:27 GMT -5
He is. So far most of the positions posted are ones he has applications floating around for already. I noticed while checking my email he resubmitted his application to a place that called him a couple weeks ago. He turned them down at the time. The positions are still open so unless they hold grudges I imagine they'll call him again. I'm sorry Drama that sucks about your DH. Seems like a lot of the employers up around you are reading from the same handbook. I'm curious what is the unemployment rate there? He might want to call and let them know that he did resubmit his application and that he is interested. I know that if I just got an application for someone who turned me down a couple weeks ago, I wouldn't give it any time. And it wouldn't be because I was holding a grudge but because I would figure that they weren't interested then, if I couldn't offer them anything different why would they be interested now. Instead I would figure they were just trying to meet some sort of quota for applications. The other thing I would considered is do I really want to spend the time going through the whole interview processes and stuff, when I know that there is a good chance that this person will turn it down for a better offer. I would also wonder how long that person would stay considering I already got beat out once for a better offer.
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Post by geenamercile on Jan 29, 2016 6:24:08 GMT -5
Thanks gira. Yeah, it might be obvious enough at a first interview depending on when they scheduled it, but I wouldn't say anything unless they did. I'm guessing I couldn't do much while on leave since it would be such a new job I wouldn't even be going with everything yet, and I do want to take 12 weeks off if I can financially swing it. If I got this new job I may have to go back earlier, especially since I wouldn't have the sick time to cover it. If I got a good offer that was worth it that might be a sacrifice I'd have to consider making. All I can do is apply and see what happens! In 6ish years I've probably applied to 10ish state jobs, and I've had like, two interviews. If the new job is with a new company then you won't be protected by FMLA, as you won't have been there long enough. So be aware that you may not be guaranteed the 12 weeks off, also depending on your current benefits and the new ones you might not the pregnancy fall under the short term disability.
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Post by cael on Jan 29, 2016 8:47:46 GMT -5
Thanks gira. Yeah, it might be obvious enough at a first interview depending on when they scheduled it, but I wouldn't say anything unless they did. I'm guessing I couldn't do much while on leave since it would be such a new job I wouldn't even be going with everything yet, and I do want to take 12 weeks off if I can financially swing it. If I got this new job I may have to go back earlier, especially since I wouldn't have the sick time to cover it. If I got a good offer that was worth it that might be a sacrifice I'd have to consider making. All I can do is apply and see what happens! In 6ish years I've probably applied to 10ish state jobs, and I've had like, two interviews. If the new job is with a new company then you won't be protected by FMLA, as you won't have been there long enough. So be aware that you may not be guaranteed the 12 weeks off, also depending on your current benefits and the new ones you might not the pregnancy fall under the short term disability. I'd be going to state from local government - my years served should carry over for retirement purposes, but yeah, I don't know if they'd count those years served as time there for FMLA purposes. I guess these are things I'd need to discuss with them at a second interview. Applying this afternoon. Like I said there's a high chance I won't get called, but I can't let it go and not even try!
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Post by TheHaitian on Jan 29, 2016 9:00:34 GMT -5
Checked my 401k account and seems like bonuses were paid out this week!
Wonder how long they will take before mailing my check to me, also waiting on 3 weeks vacation payout.
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