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Post by kittensaver on Jan 27, 2016 16:12:00 GMT -5
Is it too early to reach out to my former employer and see about cashing in my stock options, profit sharing etc? Not much about ~5k Yes - on both counts (the employer you just left and the employer before that).
If it is the employer you just left, you want to wend your way through the appeals system and use any benefits remaining on the table as a bargaining chip.
If it is the employer before this one - move heaven and earth to leave it alone. Try to live on UI as long as possible. When you are old and gray you will be glad you left it alone. Trust me - I have a parent who did not do this and now us sibs are paying (literally, every month) the price for her blowing everything and now living on a pitiful/poverty-level fixed income (social security).
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Post by NomoreDramaQ1015 on Jan 27, 2016 16:18:34 GMT -5
Deep breaths, TheHaitian , deep breaths.
Unless this is your way of saying that somehow your wife is pregnant (at which point we will all jump up and down and scream with you), the best way to get a job is to remain calm. You have had one second interview and have a second second interview lined up. You have a timeline for hearing back from that first second interview. You have been looking for jobs and applying. You will get there.
Things that might help right now: Get out of the house. Take the dog for a walk, go shovel snow, something that gets you away from the computer screen for a little while. (Taking the dogs to the dog park every morning while I was unemployed saved my sanity.)
Other "Productive" things to do: Even if your state does not require it, see about scheduling an appointment with a counselor with the unemployment office. They might be able to help you tailor your resume in such a way to make your experience feel broader to you and open non-grocery store options. A good friend had spent her entire career in banking. She left banking and the Worksource counselor here was able to help her tremendously in structuring her resume to reflect the broad appeal of her job skills.
But mostly, remember to breathe. Oddly, it remains the one thing you really need to do. I don't think I will be able to breathe till I get a job. I have been sleeping terribly, lost 14 lbs without even trying, stressing over money (even though we have enough); having just spent $850 on my car this week and another $400 next week for break pads is not making the process any easier. My wife is stressed, cries for no reason so even if I wanted to freak the hell out I cannot because one of us have to maintain the brave face. I don't even need a JOB to pay the bills, I just need a JOB to put her mind at ease. Like I said we have enough to weather the storm for a bit but that is not making the situation any easier for her... Breathe... Breathe... Yep not working! I understand Carl. I felt the same way and of course it seems like the moment you don't have regular income everything goes wrong. We had to replace three tires and the stupid dog got tapeworms all while DH was unemployed. Then we of course have daycare on top of all that. What is MA's position on part time work while unemployed? In Nebraska I can work 20 hours and still collect at a reduced rate. It's not the same as a full time job but would be better than nothing. That's actually my plan if I ever find myself unemployed again b/c screw dealing with the system to try and get my full benefits out of them.
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Post by mojothehelpermonkey on Jan 27, 2016 16:19:47 GMT -5
Deep breaths, TheHaitian , deep breaths.
Unless this is your way of saying that somehow your wife is pregnant (at which point we will all jump up and down and scream with you), the best way to get a job is to remain calm. You have had one second interview and have a second second interview lined up. You have a timeline for hearing back from that first second interview. You have been looking for jobs and applying. You will get there.
Things that might help right now: Get out of the house. Take the dog for a walk, go shovel snow, something that gets you away from the computer screen for a little while. (Taking the dogs to the dog park every morning while I was unemployed saved my sanity.)
Other "Productive" things to do: Even if your state does not require it, see about scheduling an appointment with a counselor with the unemployment office. They might be able to help you tailor your resume in such a way to make your experience feel broader to you and open non-grocery store options. A good friend had spent her entire career in banking. She left banking and the Worksource counselor here was able to help her tremendously in structuring her resume to reflect the broad appeal of her job skills.
But mostly, remember to breathe. Oddly, it remains the one thing you really need to do. I don't think I will be able to breathe till I get a job. I have been sleeping terribly, lost 14 lbs without even trying, stressing over money (even though we have enough); having just spent $850 on my car this week and another $400 next week for break pads is not making the process any easier. My wife is stressed, cries for no reason so even if I wanted to freak the hell out I cannot because one of us have to maintain the brave face. I don't even need a JOB to pay the bills, I just need a JOB to put her mind at ease. Like I said we have enough to weather the storm for a bit but that is not making the situation any easier for her... Breathe... Breathe... Yep not working! Does she know this? Even if she doesn't like discussing financial stuff, it still might help to go through the numbers with her.
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Post by TheHaitian on Jan 27, 2016 16:22:07 GMT -5
Is it too early to reach out to my former employer and see about cashing in my stock options, profit sharing etc? Not much about ~5k Yes - on both counts (the employer you just left and the employer before that).
If it is the employer you just left, you want to wend your way through the appeals system and use any benefits remaining on the table as a bargaining chip.
If it is the employer before this one - move heaven and earth to leave it alone. Try to live on UI as long as possible. When you are old and gray you will be glad you left it alone. Trust me - I have a parent who did not do this and now us sibs are paying (literally, every month) the price for her blowing everything and now living on a pitiful/poverty-level fixed income (social security).
I was not going to use it, I was going to move it to a rollover IRA.
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Post by kittensaver on Jan 27, 2016 16:29:59 GMT -5
Yes - on both counts (the employer you just left and the employer before that).
If it is the employer you just left, you want to wend your way through the appeals system and use any benefits remaining on the table as a bargaining chip.
If it is the employer before this one - move heaven and earth to leave it alone. Try to live on UI as long as possible. When you are old and gray you will be glad you left it alone. Trust me - I have a parent who did not do this and now us sibs are paying (literally, every month) the price for her blowing everything and now living on a pitiful/poverty-level fixed income (social security).
I was not going to use it, I was going to move it to a rollover IRA. All well and good if it is the employer before this immediate last one.
IF you are able to successfully negotiate some kind of settlement with the immediate past employer AND that settlement includes back wages (or what would have been back wages, if you are taking severance in exchange for leaving voluntarily and not suing) then you want to be able to include any retirement contribution you would have made on those wages PLUS collect the match that goes with that payment. If you close the account now, they will have no place to make the deposit, and paying you that money in cash will also entail you paying more taxes. Don't touch ANYTHING with the old employer until the ink is dry on the negotiated settlement and the retraction period has been outrun. Got it?
Don't inadvertently sell yourself short, just sayin' . . .
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Post by TheHaitian on Jan 27, 2016 16:30:29 GMT -5
I don't think I will be able to breathe till I get a job. I have been sleeping terribly, lost 14 lbs without even trying, stressing over money (even though we have enough); having just spent $850 on my car this week and another $400 next week for break pads is not making the process any easier. My wife is stressed, cries for no reason so even if I wanted to freak the hell out I cannot because one of us have to maintain the brave face. I don't even need a JOB to pay the bills, I just need a JOB to put her mind at ease. Like I said we have enough to weather the storm for a bit but that is not making the situation any easier for her... Breathe... Breathe... Yep not working! I understand Carl. I felt the same way and of course it seems like the moment you don't have regular income everything goes wrong. We had to replace three tires and the stupid dog got tapeworms all while DH was unemployed. Then we of course have daycare on top of all that. What is MA's position on part time work while unemployed? In Nebraska I can work 20 hours and still collect at a reduced rate. It's not the same as a full time job but would be better than nothing. That's actually my plan if I ever find myself unemployed again b/c screw dealing with the system to try and get my full benefits out of them. Yep - 4 new tires - new battery - new wipers - new rear ended bulb system -----> all that just to pass inspection $850 And I need new brake pads sooner than later
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Post by Deleted on Jan 27, 2016 16:53:08 GMT -5
TheHaitian are you going to be unemployment eligible? I would assume termination for cause disqualifies you & company will fight you, but maybe I missed something. Stock options normally expire on your exit date or on a specific number of days after your termination date. Go find your award information so you know if you still have the options. Unexercised options usually don't exist after your termination date. I am assuming you did not exercise them or you wouldn't be calling them options. I would immediately roll profit sharing/401K into self directed Vanguard account. Settlement funds are not typically subject to 401K & if for some reason they settled to provide you extended months of pay, they can re-open account for you. "Negotiating not to sue" can take up to 2 years, so I'm not feeling like you should leave assets in their hands. Have you received termination or exit paperwork from the company? Edited to add: Did the attorney say they would help you with the filings with the state and responses for that? Google for any lawsuits against that employer and see if any attorneys won those suits. Go get that attorney to assist you :-)
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Post by mojothehelpermonkey on Jan 27, 2016 17:47:48 GMT -5
I just heard back from the recruiter I spoke to last Friday. After speaking to his boss, they have decided that I am overqualified for the position (sad trombone). On the bright side, I guess that means that the job wasn't worth doing for no security, no benefits, and at half the salary I was making before.
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Post by Abby Normal on Jan 27, 2016 18:03:14 GMT -5
I just heard back from the recruiter I spoke to last Friday. After speaking to his boss, they have decided that I am overqualified for the position (sad trombone). On the bright side, I guess that means that the job wasn't worth doing for no security, no benefits, and at half the salary I was making before. I'm sorry. I think that is probably the hardest thing to hear when you need a job.
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Post by Works4me on Jan 27, 2016 18:20:26 GMT -5
Can you get UE?
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Post by Knee Deep in Water Chloe on Jan 27, 2016 19:41:22 GMT -5
TheHaitian, I had multiple crying episodes and a few tantrums during my lay-off. I was given two months notice of being laid off. I cannot imagine one week of admin leave and then done. Just keep hugging your wife.
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Post by NancysSummerSip on Jan 27, 2016 20:04:04 GMT -5
OK, I'll take a slightly different side of this, since I'm unemployed and DH is retired (but earning more than enough in retirement for us both).
You and your wife need to have a talk. Not a casual chat, an honest talk. Her being stressed is not helping either of you. And yes, you're entitled to freak the hell out if you need to. There's no reason you have to plaster on the happy face 24/7. It sucks to be without work when it's never happened before, especially when you did nothing to put yourself in the position of being unemployed.
But she has to put on the big girl panties here, too. I know, I know...you're the unemployed one. But it affects both of you. You vowed to be married for better or for worse, in sickness and in health, etc. Now those vows better mean something. Get to the bottom of why she is stressed and crying, if you two are OK for money at this point. Is your stress becoming her stress? Is she picking up that vibe from you? Or is she more concerned about your lifestyle, and the fact that without you working, you won't be able to maintain it? Or are there issues at her job, and she isn't telling you?
I spend 7-8 hours a day either job hunting, going to interviews or writing freelance to keep some money coming in (note here: I am getting severance through next month). But I still get up every day at the same time I always did, work out as I always did, and try to maintain most of my other habits (other than spending money) as I always did, including getting dressed, doing my hair and makeup every day. And I make sure DH knows that looking for work is my job. He cannot interrupt me to go do stuff with him just because I am home. I do take breaks for housework - throw in some laundry, sweep, dust, vacuum, do yard work, etc.
Carl, you'll get through this. So will I. You'll find something different and better, I hope. Meanwhile, you have a plan short to long-term as far as finances go. Now make a daily plan for yourself. Follow it by putting it in writing, so you know what you will be doing each day.
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Post by alabamagal on Jan 27, 2016 20:04:39 GMT -5
Drama if your husband gets a better offer and takes it, in the future you can just leave his current job off his resume. There is nothing that says you have to list everything there. You can just put previous job ended Dec 2015, new job started Feb 2016 and no one would even question such a short gap.
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Post by ArchietheDragon on Jan 27, 2016 20:05:06 GMT -5
Real men don't freak out
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Post by NancysSummerSip on Jan 27, 2016 20:07:53 GMT -5
Bullshit. They aren't usually seen doing it, but that's more of a societal taboo than anything else.
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Post by ArchietheDragon on Jan 27, 2016 20:09:48 GMT -5
Bullshit. They aren't usually seen doing it, but that's more of a societal taboo than anything else. Good point. At least do it in private with a beer and a shot in hand
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Post by swasat on Jan 27, 2016 20:14:47 GMT -5
I am here to join this thread. Still have a job, but there has been a re-org that moved my whole team to a different part of the company. It was a shock to come in on Jan 4th and hear that a bunch of us have been moved to a different group. Its been a struggle to adjust to new project/project management styles/setups and various other things. I am very good at adapting so I wouldn't have minded much. Except, 2 weeks after the move we are told that instead of working on the "new" project that they moved us for, we are to be supplementing an already ongoing project that is not doing so well! Needless to say, my programmers are NOT happy. I am in middle management, I lead of team of 15. We have no idea why the move happened and of course no ones telling us. The problem also is that in the last year I have taken on more project management role and less actual IT development work. So right now I am in that weird phase where I cannot market myself as 100% technical, but I also cannot market self as 100% project manager. KWIM? I am trying to built my resume to showcase both, but I don't know.... So today I brushed up my resume and started fine tuning it. I have also started looking at various certifications to take to boost my resume. But there is no fire in me. I want things to change, but not bad enough. I am in a funk basically and really need to get off my ass and go sell myself in the IT industry! Considering how fierce I have been in my career and such a go-getter, I am surprised at myself. I am losing interest and IT IS NOT A GOOD THING!!! So someone kick me in the rear please? Yell, scream and tell me if I want things to change I HAVE TO WORK TO CHANGE THEM. I need to be given a solid talking to
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Post by zibazinski on Jan 27, 2016 20:22:46 GMT -5
Deep breaths, TheHaitian , deep breaths.
Unless this is your way of saying that somehow your wife is pregnant (at which point we will all jump up and down and scream with you), the best way to get a job is to remain calm. You have had one second interview and have a second second interview lined up. You have a timeline for hearing back from that first second interview. You have been looking for jobs and applying. You will get there.
Things that might help right now: Get out of the house. Take the dog for a walk, go shovel snow, something that gets you away from the computer screen for a little while. (Taking the dogs to the dog park every morning while I was unemployed saved my sanity.)
Other "Productive" things to do: Even if your state does not require it, see about scheduling an appointment with a counselor with the unemployment office. They might be able to help you tailor your resume in such a way to make your experience feel broader to you and open non-grocery store options. A good friend had spent her entire career in banking. She left banking and the Worksource counselor here was able to help her tremendously in structuring her resume to reflect the broad appeal of her job skills.
But mostly, remember to breathe. Oddly, it remains the one thing you really need to do. I don't think I will be able to breathe till I get a job. I have been sleeping terribly, lost 14 lbs without even trying, stressing over money (even though we have enough); having just spent $850 on my car this week and another $400 next week for break pads is not making the process any easier. My wife is stressed, cries for no reason so even if I wanted to freak the hell out I cannot because one of us have to maintain the brave face. I don't even need a JOB to pay the bills, I just need a JOB to put her mind at ease. Like I said we have enough to weather the storm for a bit but that is not making the situation any easier for her... Breathe... Breathe... Yep not working! Thankfully you don't have more dependents at this time. I'm sorry your wife is not supportive
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Post by Abby Normal on Jan 27, 2016 21:08:57 GMT -5
I don't think it has to do with being supportive. It has to do with change and lack of control over your situation, and insecurity over the future, and empathy because she hates to see you unhappy/hurting. What was the line from Harry Potter " Just because you have the emotional range of a teaspoon"
I've been there. With DHL manager hating him, I was freaking the hell out alot. He considered me a basketcase. If he called me mid day, I would assume he had been let go.
I knew we'd be ok financially, but you want the decision to be yours not someone elses.
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Post by suesinfl on Jan 27, 2016 21:27:06 GMT -5
OK, I'll take a slightly different side of this, since I'm unemployed and DH is retired (but earning more than enough in retirement for us both). You and your wife need to have a talk. Not a casual chat, an honest talk. Her being stressed is not helping either of you. And yes, you're entitled to freak the hell out if you need to. There's no reason you have to plaster on the happy face 24/7. It sucks to be without work when it's never happened before, especially when you did nothing to put yourself in the position of being unemployed. But she has to put on the big girl panties here, too. I know, I know...you're the unemployed one. But it affects both of you. You vowed to be married for better or for worse, in sickness and in health, etc. Now those vows better mean something. Get to the bottom of why she is stressed and crying, if you two are OK for money at this point. Is your stress becoming her stress? Is she picking up that vibe from you? Or is she more concerned about your lifestyle, and the fact that without you working, you won't be able to maintain it? Or are there issues at her job, and she isn't telling you? I spend 7-8 hours a day either job hunting, going to interviews or writing freelance to keep some money coming in (note here: I am getting severance through next month). But I still get up every day at the same time I always did, work out as I always did, and try to maintain most of my other habits (other than spending money) as I always did, including getting dressed, doing my hair and makeup every day. And I make sure DH knows that looking for work is my job. He cannot interrupt me to go do stuff with him just because I am home. I do take breaks for housework - throw in some laundry, sweep, dust, vacuum, do yard work, etc. Carl, you'll get through this. So will I. You'll find something different and better, I hope. Meanwhile, you have a plan short to long-term as far as finances go. Now make a daily plan for yourself. Follow it by putting it in writing, so you know what you will be doing each day. Carl, listen to Nancy, Shane and others that have been in your position. Your lovely wife may just be feeding off of your stress. Find something to do to blow off that stress and be honest with Mrs. Carl. You are fine $$ wise for a while, you guys just need to cut back on spending on wants instead of needs at this time. You'll get through this and it will make you both stronger in the end.
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Post by suesinfl on Jan 27, 2016 21:28:21 GMT -5
Nancy, I think you have a great attitude and wish you the best of luck!
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Post by resolution on Jan 27, 2016 22:35:36 GMT -5
I am here to join this thread. Still have a job, but there has been a re-org that moved my whole team to a different part of the company. It was a shock to come in on Jan 4th and hear that a bunch of us have been moved to a different group. Its been a struggle to adjust to new project/project management styles/setups and various other things. I am very good at adapting so I wouldn't have minded much. Except, 2 weeks after the move we are told that instead of working on the "new" project that they moved us for, we are to be supplementing an already ongoing project that is not doing so well! Needless to say, my programmers are NOT happy. I am in middle management, I lead of team of 15. We have no idea why the move happened and of course no ones telling us. The problem also is that in the last year I have taken on more project management role and less actual IT development work. So right now I am in that weird phase where I cannot market myself as 100% technical, but I also cannot market self as 100% project manager. KWIM? I am trying to built my resume to showcase both, but I don't know.... So today I brushed up my resume and started fine tuning it. I have also started looking at various certifications to take to boost my resume. But there is no fire in me. I want things to change, but not bad enough. I am in a funk basically and really need to get off my ass and go sell myself in the IT industry! Considering how fierce I have been in my career and such a go-getter, I am surprised at myself. I am losing interest and IT IS NOT A GOOD THING!!! So someone kick me in the rear please? Yell, scream and tell me if I want things to change I HAVE TO WORK TO CHANGE THEM. I need to be given a solid talking to Good luck motivating yourself! You may want to consider multiple resumes emphasizing different skill sets so you can submit different ones depending on the position.
I am lurking for a similar reason. We had a big management change about six months ago and they let go 40% of a unit that we used to partner with, and then merged my unit in with the survivors of the first layoff to shore them up. The new management doesn't approve of my telecommute, but I live to far from work to report there in person, so it is an awkward position for me.
So far I haven't taken any steps to look for something new but I am just lurking here getting some ideas on how people get started. I will probably just stick it out as long as possible because I have really good benefits.
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Post by zibazinski on Jan 28, 2016 5:44:00 GMT -5
Supportive to me means encouraging. When DH was in the hospital supportive people came and uplifted my spirits. They didn't come and ask me what would I do if DH died?
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Post by mamasita99 on Jan 28, 2016 7:29:18 GMT -5
I just heard back from the recruiter I spoke to last Friday. After speaking to his boss, they have decided that I am overqualified for the position (sad trombone). On the bright side, I guess that means that the job wasn't worth doing for no security, no benefits, and at half the salary I was making before. I liked this post, only because you saved yourself a lot of headache and trouble, you can use that time more productively.
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Post by alabamagal on Jan 28, 2016 8:18:14 GMT -5
Seas at, Kari, when I was in your position ( not liking the job I was in, wanting something new but not urgent). I just put my resume as my LinkedIn profile. I am an engineer with 25 years experience and worked for 20 years with well respected company. About 2 years ago I had several recruiters start contacting me, talked to all of them and eventually got offer for the great position I got a year ago.
Also if you know a lot of former coworkers in your field it is great to contact them and say "hey how's it going. I am thinking of changing jobs. Do you. Know of good opportunities."
Networking.
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Post by 973beachbum on Jan 28, 2016 8:24:28 GMT -5
I don't think it has to do with being supportive. It has to do with change and lack of control over your situation, and insecurity over the future, and empathy because she hates to see you unhappy/hurting. What was the line from Harry Potter " Just because you have the emotional range of a teaspoon" I've been there. With DHL manager hating him, I was freaking the hell out alot. He considered me a basketcase. If he called me mid day, I would assume he had been let go. I knew we'd be ok financially, but you want the decision to be yours not someone elses. Carl and his wife were also try to get pregnant through some version of IVF type of thing IICR. If she is she may have already gotten the hormone shots. Telling her to not be emotional is beyond stupid at that point. Even with everything going perfect those hormones make the calmest person crazy. I can't imagine what they would do to someone with stress like this in their life. This maybe something that needs to be brought up to the Dr if she is going through those shots. I don't know what they would say but it is worth them knowing about. Just know that this always happens IMO with those shots. Postponing it would actually make you have to go through it again. The kid thread on WIR might be a better place to ask about this. Good luck!!
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Post by MJ2.0 on Jan 28, 2016 9:11:59 GMT -5
Being overly stressed doesn't help your chances of conception either.
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Post by NomoreDramaQ1015 on Jan 28, 2016 9:44:25 GMT -5
I don't think I will be able to breathe till I get a job. I have been sleeping terribly, lost 14 lbs without even trying, stressing over money (even though we have enough); having just spent $850 on my car this week and another $400 next week for break pads is not making the process any easier. My wife is stressed, cries for no reason so even if I wanted to freak the hell out I cannot because one of us have to maintain the brave face. I don't even need a JOB to pay the bills, I just need a JOB to put her mind at ease. Like I said we have enough to weather the storm for a bit but that is not making the situation any easier for her... Breathe... Breathe... Yep not working! Thankfully you don't have more dependents at this time. I'm sorry your wife is not supportive You sound like my DH. Being on both ends of the stick in such a short period of time has been "enlightening" to put it mildly. I wasn't deliberately being non-supportive of him when he was unemployed. I already have anxiety issues to begin with, having him come home to announce he got fired was a HUGE blow. I handle our budget and I don't make a ton of money. Going over it I realized we were going to be in the red but if we stopped paying for daycare we were going to run into the possibility of having no childcare once DH found a new job. Then Unemployment drags it ass for an eternity. It take can take up to a month before you know if you are approved or not, meanwhile the bills still need to get paid during that time and you're watching your bank account shrink. I helped DH with his resume, I helped search for jobs and did my best to shove everything I was feeling deep down inside. But we've been together for over 10 years, he knows what I am thinking better than I do. He later told me it was unfair of him to get on my case, he knew I was trying as best I knew how to be a supportive spouse. What happened didn't occur in a vacuum, we're married so him losing his job is just as serious for me as it is for him. Mrs C has a right to her feelings just as much as Carl does.
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MJ2.0
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Post by MJ2.0 on Jan 28, 2016 10:00:08 GMT -5
Thankfully you don't have more dependents at this time. I'm sorry your wife is not supportive You sound like my DH. Being on both ends of the stick in such a short period of time has been "enlightening" to put it mildly. I wasn't deliberately being non-supportive of him when he was unemployed. I already have anxiety issues to begin with, having him come home to announce he got fired was a HUGE blow. I handle our budget and I don't make a ton of money. Going over it I realized we were going to be in the red but if we stopped paying for daycare we were going to run into the possibility of having no childcare once DH found a new job. Then Unemployment drags it ass for an eternity. It take can take up to a month before you know if you are approved or not, meanwhile the bills still need to get paid during that time and you're watching your bank account shrink. I helped DH with his resume, I helped search for jobs and did my best to shove everything I was feeling deep down inside. But we've been together for over 10 years, he knows what I am thinking better than I do. He later told me it was unfair of him to get on my case, he knew I was trying as best I knew how to be a supportive spouse. What happened didn't occur in a vacuum, we're married so him losing his job is just as serious for me as it is for him. Mrs C has a right to her feelings just as much as Carl does. You were taking an active role in the budgeting and your husband's job search on top of everything else. It doesn't sound like Mrs. C. is doing all that. Not the same situations at all.
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Post by MJ2.0 on Jan 28, 2016 10:00:48 GMT -5
Everyone has a right to their feelings but it's hard being the rock all the time.
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