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Post by zibazinski on Jan 23, 2016 14:10:43 GMT -5
She doesn't have to make either a lifetime commitment but it's not easy to find a ten hour a week part time job which is why I suggested babysitting. Dog or pet sitting. She can probably also ask at school. My local high school had a place where people advertised for help right in the high school
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Post by yogiii on Jan 23, 2016 14:25:03 GMT -5
I worked about 15 hours/week in high school (typically one 8 hour day over the weekend and two 6-930pm shifts during the week) and full time over the summer at a retail store in a mall. I think my parents would have objected to working during the school year if my grades were suffering. I can't imagine what I would have done summers if I wasn't working. My friends and I were all poor and hanging around with my parents a bunch wasn't appealing at that age.
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Post by wvugurl26 on Jan 23, 2016 14:55:32 GMT -5
I don't know when I would have worked during high school. I had activities most nights, homework, get dinner, do laundry, walk the dog and even then our bedtime was 9-930 at the latest. On days off and the summer sure. Plenty of time for working.
My stepbrother worked during school. I had better grades, was involved and got the scholarship. He did not.
I'm sure some kids did. I don't really see a problem with just working summers.
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Post by Lizard Queen on Jan 23, 2016 15:32:12 GMT -5
In HS, I played an instrument, which requires daily practice. I had dance class 3x a week. I was in band, marching band, choir, theatre, did debate and tennis 1 year. I also had a lot of homework, as I had a lot of advanced classes. I would have liked to join the soccer team or golf team, but I just didn't have time--without a job. When i was in a play and had a significant role, i had rehearsal 5 days a week 6-9 pm. Plus, they wanted you to work on sets Saturday mornings. I loved acting, but I had a breakdown when my schedule was so full that I had to choose between 3 things to go to some nights. (Fortunately, that crazy schedule was only for a couple months.) Downtime is important for anyone, adults and children. They say it's important for creativity, and I believe it. Hanging out with friends is important, too, for well-being.
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Post by quince on Jan 23, 2016 15:32:35 GMT -5
Oh...I also got an allowance. $20/week. Outside of that, I didn't ask for/receive any money- my spending came out of that. If I wanted a car, I would have needed to get a job. Good bus system where I lived, though. My parents very kindly paid for the AP exams and SAT, because despite being cheaper than college credit, they were pricier than is easily funded on $20/week. I may have needed a job otherwise.
We hung out at the library, each other's houses, parks. I had a group of friends that put on a play one summer (as in, someone directed, someone did lighting, someone's back yard had a set up that could be modified into a theater, the cast was drawn from friend-pool)
Despite my indolent youth, I have a hard time wrapping my head around asking for MORE money than the generous allocation provided to me. My first semester of college, books/etc were paid for out of graduation gifts. Otherwise, my parents would have paid for books the first year, because they are kind and generous. After that, it was on me. I never called home/asked for money. Once, when I was 25, I asked if they would be able to lend me $300 if I needed it (deposit on an apartment- I ended up not needing it)
I don't think there is anything wrong with kids working while in school, I just don't think it is something that NEEDS TO HAPPEN OMG. Of course, the best course of action depends on the kid. I had my shit together, I got scholarships (and I did the work behind this, not my parents, other than filling out the FAFSA), I went to college and KEPT my shit together, I did not need to move back home after college. The approach worked for me. If I had been unmotivated and aimless, encouraging me to get a job/join the military/engage in structured activities would have probably been wise. If I had goals but made no move toward fulfilling them, once again, helping me find appropriate employment/activities would have been a good parenting move.
We didn't have a ton of money. Despite being given allowances and not being expected to bring home a paycheck, we understood that money was a limited resource, and there was an expiration date on when we would be subsidized. We understood that anything beyond a certain point was our responsibility entirely. This understanding, IMO, is more important than "getting a job", because it is the REASON to get a job. Having those sorts of limits and expectations in place is good, and then you let the kid decide how they will navigate them. (Or...I guess make them get a job because you told them so?)
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Post by MJ2.0 on Jan 23, 2016 15:41:29 GMT -5
I liked having money to buy stuff and go out with friends. Also I went to both proms: tickets were around $75 each and I also needed a dress each time. I have never seen the inside of my hometown library and going to people's houses got old after a while.
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Post by quince on Jan 23, 2016 16:04:39 GMT -5
If I liked shopping or eating out in HS, I would have needed a job, or an indulgent friend/boyfriend with cash to burn. Luckily, I was a geeky, bookish, offbeat theater girl. Comic books can add up, but still cost less than clothes. AD& could be costly, but luckily my mom gamed when she was younger, so I had the dice and she got me books for birthdays/Christmases. Not having a job might be why I never got into MtG, though.
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Post by beergut on Jan 23, 2016 16:20:12 GMT -5
For this particular young lady, I'm not really sure what this thread is all about if the girl has made her decision and the OP has no influence on that anyway? Because beer wants some evidence or proof that she is "wrong"? I have to say, that after all the "gf is wrong' threads, this is worrying. This isn't about who is 'right' or 'wrong'. As I said in the opening post, this is simply soliciting your opinion on what you think is more important as a high school senior, working or doing an extracurricular activity.
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Post by beergut on Jan 23, 2016 16:22:01 GMT -5
She doesn't have to make either a lifetime commitment but it's not easy to find a ten hour a week part time job which is why I suggested babysitting. Dog or pet sitting. She can probably also ask at school. My local high school had a place where people advertised for help right in the high school There is already an easy job opportunity available working at a restaurant, which I've mentioned before. There are plenty of jobs available around here, I see the 'help wanted' signs everywhere.
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Post by Robert not Bobby on Jan 23, 2016 16:22:04 GMT -5
This isn't going to happen, because she doesn't want to do it, but I'm interested in your opinion, purely as an intellectual exercise. Given the choice between doing an extracurricular activity or working a part-time job, what do you think is a better option for a senior in high school? __________________________________________________________________________________
You shouldn't put it in such stark either/or terms. I think both are wonderful and character building. You know, can't she do both, scaled back a little bit. Don't crush her passion, but also teach responsibility.
Oh god, I'm giving advice and I will be there in a few years. I'm just a message board counselor...in your heart you know the answer.
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Post by MJ2.0 on Jan 23, 2016 16:25:09 GMT -5
If I liked shopping or eating out in HS, I would have needed a job, or an indulgent friend/boyfriend with cash to burn. Luckily, I was a geeky, bookish, offbeat theater girl. Comic books can add up, but still cost less than clothes. AD& could be costly, but luckily my mom gamed when she was younger, so I had the dice and she got me books for birthdays/Christmases. Not having a job might be why I never got into MtG, though. I kinda had a toe in both worlds - sort of artsy/nerdy, sort of social. I had a BF junior year who did have a pt job so dates were free for me but that lasted 4-5 months. So work it was! Lol!
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Post by Robert not Bobby on Jan 23, 2016 16:37:16 GMT -5
MJ...you're packing some serious heat there. That is definitely a statement.
I don't know if it's good or bad or frivolous?
You wouldn't be scary in a dark alleyway. LOL
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Post by MJ2.0 on Jan 23, 2016 16:50:56 GMT -5
I have no idea what you're trying to say....
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Post by Robert not Bobby on Jan 23, 2016 16:53:56 GMT -5
I have no idea what you're trying to say.... _____________________________
The guns in your profile...do you consider yourself some sort of bad ass?
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Post by Phoenix84 on Jan 24, 2016 16:46:01 GMT -5
I highly doubt there would be long term ramifications for either. You can just as easily get into college/nursing school working as a hostess at a restaurant or working with the baseball team.
As for which would be better from a purely philosophical/development standpoint, probably the job, just to get used to working a job. She doesn't want to be one of those people getting their first job at 22+.
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Post by zibazinski on Jan 24, 2016 16:53:02 GMT -5
No but if you have any real interest in the medical field it certainly looks better to have volunteered in something remotely connected with something medical as opposed to hostessing in a restaurant. Especially if your grades might be a bit iffy.
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Post by Deleted on Jan 24, 2016 16:54:49 GMT -5
Money aside, it's not like there aren't other work related skills to learn volunteering. I'm sure she has to show up on time, follow directions and protocols, work with others, etc.
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Post by zibazinski on Jan 24, 2016 16:56:37 GMT -5
Some areas nursing is hard to get into. Some areas it's not so hard. But there are lots of other professions that aren't nursing and still pay decently. But you can't go wrong with the medical field because we are only getting older.
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Post by vonna on Jan 24, 2016 20:44:19 GMT -5
I'm interested in your opinion, purely as an intellectual exercise. Given the choice between doing an extracurricular activity or working a part-time job, what do you think is a better option for a senior in high school? I think it is human nature to say that what "we did" is the best option.
I think every path is different. Depends on the kid, depends on the job/activity. Hopefully everyone learns from their experiences, but the experience in and of itself, is not the determining factor.
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Post by formerroomate99 on Jan 24, 2016 21:02:34 GMT -5
She has all her lide to work. I dont think it is all that important. Sounds like she has worked and done fine with that. The advantage of working a shyt job, and this only works if there are adults working there, is that she learns the price of failure. Poverty sucks. Being a disposable employee sucks. 17 is a really good age to learn the value of getting skills that employers are willing to pay for, and planning your education and career accordingly. But if she's already worked, hopefully she knows this.
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Post by formerroomate99 on Jan 24, 2016 21:23:39 GMT -5
I was lucky. My town had an amusement park, so I could get a crazy amount of hours during the summer and not have to work during the school year. Some of my coworkers had 2-3 teenaged girls who would take care of her schooled kids during the summer and other days off. That doesn't seem like a bad gig. Though you have to not blow all your summer earnings for that to work.
In my high school, there were the kids who took the AP classes, were in 10 different activities and had jobs. Don't know how they did it. There is something to be said for a kid having some downtime. A certain amount of thinking has to be done at that time of life. Though if a kid is flaking off in school and choosing nonacademic activities over a job, I wouldn't be handing them cash either.
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