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Post by Deleted on Feb 16, 2016 20:06:26 GMT -5
A somersault? The thing where you put your head on the ground and roll over frontward ? Where ya' been? I think I start a thread on that nearly every year! And no....he really can't do it. He's tried until he's in tears.
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Post by whoami on Feb 16, 2016 20:16:19 GMT -5
On one side, I agree with this. Parents always need to advocate for their kid if they're put into a situation that's causing unnecessary harm.
On the other side, since it looks like you're going to be consulting with some mental health professionals, you might want to wait a little bit before making any big changes and before asking the school to make any big changes. The MH professional may have a different take on this (like one that says you don't want to "reward" and encourage Sam's behavior by getting him out of a class he doesn't like) or may agree with you but have a different suggestion on what and how to do. You don't want to exhaust your capital with the school too soon and make it harder to make needed changes later. In other words, wait to see what the MH professional recommends and work with the school to make any needed changes then rather than make a stink now and then have to go back and make another stink a couple of weeks from now for something different or even opposite to what you just made the prior stink over.
I don't think the somersault thing requires a ruckus. If the ability to do a somersault affects his grade, tell the teacher to grade accordingly and it's ok to encourage him to try to do it, but stop harassing the kid about somersaults. Then you handle the consequences for the lower grade if there is one. Personally, If the kids has honestly been trying to learn how to do somersaults for TEN years and still hasn't gotten it, I wouldn't hound him about the lower grade if he got one for the inability. Yelling at his teacher and disrupting class would be a bigger issue for me than not wanting to embarrass himself trying to do somersaults he's been trying to learn to do since Jaws was a goldfish. I got a call from the PE teacher when son was in HS. He behaved much the same as this one is until we got him appropriately medicated. He's got ADHD and Asperger's at minimum. I asked the teacher what he thought I was supposed to do about the fact that he didnt want to "dress out" and to give him a zero if he refused. Seriously, I had my plate full with sons medical issues (and his ended up being pretty involved) that calling me over what I thought was seriously stupid shit really pissed me off. You need to get evals from professionals. I personally wouldn't trust the school to do it (We were at war with our district to the point we hired a lawyer and threatened a lawsuit) and get an IEP that will allow you to address some of these curriculum issues. I can tell you with appropriate meds, mine does quite well. He may have his moments but overall, you would never know he has any issues.
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Post by zibazinski on Feb 16, 2016 21:00:38 GMT -5
A somersault? The thing where you put your head on the ground and roll over frontward ? Where ya' been? I think I start a thread on that nearly every year! And no....he really can't do it. He's tried until he's in tears. I do remember that. What happens when he tries it? It's bizarre that that is not an older student skill. It's like skipping. It's a K skill. That's when we test for it. I've never tested that skill on anyone over 6.
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Post by Lizard Queen on Feb 16, 2016 21:16:08 GMT -5
Yeah, that's weird. Kneel on the floor, put the top of your head and palms of your hands on the floor in front of you. Lift you butt and straighten your legs. If he falls to the side, try again. He's got to luck out eventually and do one. (But, I agree with the others---get a doctor's evaluation. It could be a lot of related things.)
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Post by Deleted on Feb 16, 2016 22:25:18 GMT -5
Yeah, that's weird. Kneel on the floor, put the top of your head and palms of your hands on the floor in front of you. Lift you butt and straighten your legs. If he falls to the side, try again. He's got to luck out eventually and do one. (But, I agree with the others---get a doctor's evaluation. It could be a lot of related things.) I assure that after hundreds of tries he has never once lucked out. I don't know if it's his spine isn't flexible enough or if it's his muscles or what, but the best he can do is this crow hopping onto his head. The one time his Dad or I forced him over the rest of the way he was in pain for 2 weeks afterwards. I've long since given up caring at all about this. Of all the things he could struggle with in school, I'm fine with somersaults being his handicap.
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Post by Lizard Queen on Feb 16, 2016 22:49:55 GMT -5
Yeah, that's weird. Kneel on the floor, put the top of your head and palms of your hands on the floor in front of you. Lift you butt and straighten your legs. If he falls to the side, try again. He's got to luck out eventually and do one. (But, I agree with the others---get a doctor's evaluation. It could be a lot of related things.) I assure that after hundreds of tries he has never once lucked out. I don't know if it's his spine isn't flexible enough or if it's his muscles or what, but the best he can do is this crow hopping onto his head. The one time his Dad or I forced him over the rest of the way he was in pain for 2 weeks afterwards. I've long since given up caring at all about this. Of all the things he could struggle with in school, I'm fine with somersaults being his handicap. Yeah, it's not a big deal. Just weird. You do have to be able to curl your spine, otherwise you'll just flop like you describe. I wonder if he could manage yoga at all. Not that he should--just wonder if he could.
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Post by finnime on Feb 16, 2016 23:21:41 GMT -5
minnesotapaintlady, I've been deep in the woods you and your DS are now wandering through, with my DD and then my DS, in different ways. Please PM me any time. I agree, your son would benefit from a full psychological and psychiatric evaluation. Meds may or may not be indicated - if they are, counseling (find someone your DS is comfortable with) is essential. FOr school you will want a 504 plan created. This is less strenuous than a full IEP, but it gives leverage to address situations like the somersault and mismatches between brain and physical abilities. Very smart kids are often asynchronous in their development. Figuring out how to honor and play to his strengths, while supporting as indicated weaknesses, is very important. Suicidal ideation, even idle, is serious. Is there a way to find good mental health providers for him? Warning - the best don't take insurance often IME. You'll get reimbursed some but not much. Your DS's father will need to be prepared, too. And like other posters have commented, your DS's needs and responses have nothing at all to do with your X2. Hang in there. Your sons need you. They are lucky having you be their mother.
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Post by Wisconsin Beth on Feb 17, 2016 6:47:45 GMT -5
Hugs MPL.
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Post by Shooby on Feb 17, 2016 7:20:57 GMT -5
So, my son is now on the radar of social services. He's been getting in trouble increasingly at school with his annoying, obnoxious behavior. School and myself have both been upping the punishment and severity, but now in his anger when he gets in trouble he's started saying things like he wishes he was dead which has of course got all kinds of attention. It's happening Every. Single. Day. and I just don't know what to do anymore. This last month has been exhausting. They called again today. Gymnastics unit in phy-ed (guaranteed issue). Teacher let him sit out, but he was causing problems distracting people or something...not sure and the teacher was going to write him a Map ticket (minor), but because it's Sam, it's now an instant escalation to office referral. He was irate and got another day of in-school suspension. The principal says she's so worried about him because he seems convinced everyone hates him. I just don't get it. He acts in a way that everyone doesn't like, gets bad reaction and continues to do that. They're giving me the paperwork to have a mental health worker come in and work with him during the day. I just don't know what to do with him anymore. How old is your son MPL? My oldest son went through a rough patch once he hit Jr High. I had many trips to the office. We got him through. He is now graduated and doing great at a local trade school and is a fine young man. Hang in there!
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Post by Opti on Feb 17, 2016 8:48:53 GMT -5
No, nothing really. But, the last 6 weeks he's gotten in trouble more than the entire year prior. Nothing happened that I know of. What has his diet been in the last 6 to 7 weeks? Diet can affect mood. No caffeine, lower sugar than most people, and no dairy might be a good start for him. Do not let him drink diet pop, some of that stuff really messes up some people.
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How old is your son MPL? My oldest son went through a rough patch once he hit Jr High. I had many trips to the office. We got him through. He is now graduated and doing great at a local trade school and is a fine young man. Hang in there! He's in the 8th grade. Turns 14 this Summer.
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Post by Deleted on Feb 17, 2016 9:33:54 GMT -5
No, nothing really. But, the last 6 weeks he's gotten in trouble more than the entire year prior. Nothing happened that I know of. What has his diet been in the last 6 to 7 weeks? Diet can affect mood. No caffeine, lower sugar than most people, and no dairy might be a good start for him. Do not let him drink diet pop, some of that stuff really messes up some people. I'm the diet pop addict (downing a Diet Pepsi for breakfast as I type this). About the only thing he drinks is milk and Fruit 2o flavored waters. Telling him to quit dairy would be the death of him. Milk, cheese, and yogurt are his favorite things!
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The assistant principal flagged me down this morning and had me come in and sign papers to get the mental health people in. She's worked with Sam since he was 4 years old because she used to be the special ed instructor. He never needed special ed, but whenever he was having a problem in class they'd send him to her room to "chill" and get back on task. I threw out the ADD thing at her and she really didn't think so, but I'll bring it up with the pro later.
She suspects the same thing I did, that being that he has social issues due to his intelligence. I'm not trying to throw around the "my kid is just so smart" thing, but when he started at age 4 he was more like a tiny adult scientist, as in freakishly smart and he didn't fit in with the other kids at all. He liked to sit and read chapter books while they were playing on the jungle gyms and doing normal kid stuff. As the years have gone by the gap has closed and the other kids are catching up, but he's still out there. They pre-test at the beginning of every quarter on the topics they're going to cover. He got his results back for spring and scored 94% on science and 85% on math...on what they haven't taught him yet.
He's not very good at being smart around other people either. He corrects them all the time and can be kind of annoying. My Dad calls him Cliffy, as in Cliff Claven from Cheers because he's kind of a know it all.
I kind of think independent, knowledge seeking, doesn't give a shit about other kids little Sam is now at odds with hormonal, adolescent "need to belong" Sam.
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Post by 973beachbum on Feb 17, 2016 9:49:51 GMT -5
I'm with you MPL! My son has ADHD and OCD. I got a phone call from his ELA teacher yesterday at work. A coworker heard my phone going off and came to get me. My phone never rings at work. As soon as I heard the message I know it wouldn't be good. For you though, make sure he is properly diagnosed. ADHD can be the problem but my son also has OCD which isn't uncommon with kids with ADHD. The problem is the things we would normally do to make him deal with his ADHD can actually make his OCD much more difficult to deal with. Medications can also work at odds with each other. My son is on adderall but when it was increased all it did was make him hyper focused on the OCD things that we wanted him not to. And about the somersault my son was never tested on that but I would bet my bottom dollar he couldn't do it either. In fact you may remember my stories about how he can't swim or ride a bike. When we do those things with him he would tense up. And I mean rigid as a board. It is his flight or fight response. So that move with the flow in the water or let yourself bend to the side on a bike? Well he turns to stone and can't move a muscle. Trying to "make" him do a somersault while his body is rigid all over would probably break his neck. Seriously in the grand scheme of things why the heck does this teacher feel this is the one thing he has to do?? Your son's teacher either needs to get over it and move on, or he needs to get a new teacher. I know everyone always talks about what the kids need to do in class to make things work but IME it isn't always the student who is the one who needs a serious ass kicking.
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Post by Lizard Queen on Feb 17, 2016 9:59:02 GMT -5
The assistant principal flagged me down this morning and had me come in and sign papers to get the mental health people in. She's worked with Sam since he was 4 years old because she used to be the special ed instructor. He never needed special ed, but whenever he was having a problem in class they'd send him to her room to "chill" and get back on task. I threw out the ADD thing at her and she really didn't think so, but I'll bring it up with the pro later. She suspects the same thing I did, that being that he has social issues due to his intelligence. I'm not trying to throw around the "my kid is just so smart" thing, but when he started at age 4 he was more like a tiny adult scientist, as in freakishly smart and he didn't fit in with the other kids at all. He liked to sit and read chapter books while they were playing on the jungle gyms and doing normal kid stuff. As the years have gone by the gap has closed and the other kids are catching up, but he's still out there. They pre-test at the beginning of every quarter on the topics they're going to cover. He got his results back for spring and scored 94% on science and 85% on math...on what they haven't taught him yet. He's not very good at being smart around other people either. He corrects them all the time and can be kind of annoying. My Dad calls him Cliffy, as in Cliff Claven from Cheers because he's kind of a know it all. I kind of think independent, knowledge seeking, doesn't give a shit about other kids little Sam is now at odds with hormonal, adolescent "need to belong" Sam. You know, I wonder if he wouldn't do better in a bigger school, as there will be other freakishly smart kids there who he might find easier to relate to. Just a thought.
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Post by Deleted on Feb 17, 2016 10:05:58 GMT -5
My son has ADHD and OCD. I got a phone call from his ELA teacher yesterday at work. A coworker heard my phone going off and came to get me. My phone never rings at work. As soon as I heard the message I know it wouldn't be good. That's another thing. All the calls at work are so stressful. I've been having to work an hour out of town a lot lately. Last week they called me because they didn't want to let him walk home alone and there was nothing I could do. Yesterday they called me right as I was getting to go into my monthly one on one with my boss, and I was so upset, I CRIED in my meeting. My boss was telling me that the trips out of town that I thought were done last week were probably going to have to continue at least occasionally and then he started probing me for why my job sat rating was so low and I cracked. Luckily, I've known him for 24 years and he's a super nice guy with family issues of his own so he understands.
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The assistant principal flagged me down this morning and had me come in and sign papers to get the mental health people in. She's worked with Sam since he was 4 years old because she used to be the special ed instructor. He never needed special ed, but whenever he was having a problem in class they'd send him to her room to "chill" and get back on task. I threw out the ADD thing at her and she really didn't think so, but I'll bring it up with the pro later. She suspects the same thing I did, that being that he has social issues due to his intelligence. I'm not trying to throw around the "my kid is just so smart" thing, but when he started at age 4 he was more like a tiny adult scientist, as in freakishly smart and he didn't fit in with the other kids at all. He liked to sit and read chapter books while they were playing on the jungle gyms and doing normal kid stuff. As the years have gone by the gap has closed and the other kids are catching up, but he's still out there. They pre-test at the beginning of every quarter on the topics they're going to cover. He got his results back for spring and scored 94% on science and 85% on math...on what they haven't taught him yet. He's not very good at being smart around other people either. He corrects them all the time and can be kind of annoying. My Dad calls him Cliffy, as in Cliff Claven from Cheers because he's kind of a know it all. I kind of think independent, knowledge seeking, doesn't give a shit about other kids little Sam is now at odds with hormonal, adolescent "need to belong" Sam. You know, I wonder if he wouldn't do better in a bigger school, as there will be other freakishly smart kids there who he might find easier to relate to. Just a thought. Well, he's probably going to end up there by default at this point.
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Post by mmhmm on Feb 17, 2016 10:07:43 GMT -5
I'm with you MPL! My son has ADHD and OCD. I got a phone call from his ELA teacher yesterday at work. A coworker heard my phone going off and came to get me. My phone never rings at work. As soon as I heard the message I know it wouldn't be good. For you though, make sure he is properly diagnosed. ADHD can be the problem but my son also has OCD which isn't uncommon with kids with ADHD. The problem is the things we would normally do to make him deal with his ADHD can actually make his OCD much more difficult to deal with. Medications can also work at odds with each other. My son is on adderall but when it was increased all it did was make him hyper focused on the OCD things that we wanted him not to. And about the somersault my son was never tested on that but I would bet my bottom dollar he couldn't do it either. In fact you may remember my stories about how he can't swim or ride a bike. When we do those things with him he would tense up. And I mean rigid as a board. It is his flight or fight response. So that move with the flow in the water or let yourself bend to the side on a bike? Well he turns to stone and can't move a muscle. Trying to "make" him do a somersault while his body is rigid all over would probably break his neck. Seriously in the grand scheme of things why the heck does this teacher feel this is the one thing he has to do?? Your son's teacher either needs to get over it and move on, or he needs to get a new teacher. I know everyone always talks about what the kids need to do in class to make things work but IME it isn't always the student who is the one who needs a serious ass kicking. From what you're saying about the boy, I'd tend to agree at this point. He wants to belong but doesn't know how and is afraid of the reactions he gets to the efforts he does make. I truly believe he'd benefit from counselling with a psychologist/psychiatrist with lots of experience with kids his age. There are tricks he can learn, and lots of coping methods to deal with his feelings of rejection. It takes time but usually results in a totally different kid who's able to recognize his personal strengths and weaknesses and use them to move forward. I'm sure pulling for him, and for you!
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Post by Tennesseer on Feb 17, 2016 12:06:53 GMT -5
What has his diet been in the last 6 to 7 weeks? Diet can affect mood. No caffeine, lower sugar than most people, and no dairy might be a good start for him. Do not let him drink diet pop, some of that stuff really messes up some people. I'm the diet pop addict (downing a Diet Pepsi for breakfast as I type this). About the only thing he drinks is milk and Fruit 2o flavored waters. Telling him to quit dairy would be the death of him. Milk, cheese, and yogurt are his favorite things! On the lighter side for a moment, the map is correct.
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Post by Shooby on Feb 17, 2016 13:27:02 GMT -5
How old is your son MPL? My oldest son went through a rough patch once he hit Jr High. I had many trips to the office. We got him through. He is now graduated and doing great at a local trade school and is a fine young man. Hang in there! He's in the 8th grade. Turns 14 this Summer. Yeah, that's seems to be the age where all this stuff kicks in.
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Post by Shooby on Feb 17, 2016 13:38:57 GMT -5
The assistant principal flagged me down this morning and had me come in and sign papers to get the mental health people in. She's worked with Sam since he was 4 years old because she used to be the special ed instructor. He never needed special ed, but whenever he was having a problem in class they'd send him to her room to "chill" and get back on task. I threw out the ADD thing at her and she really didn't think so, but I'll bring it up with the pro later. She suspects the same thing I did, that being that he has social issues due to his intelligence. I'm not trying to throw around the "my kid is just so smart" thing, but when he started at age 4 he was more like a tiny adult scientist, as in freakishly smart and he didn't fit in with the other kids at all. He liked to sit and read chapter books while they were playing on the jungle gyms and doing normal kid stuff. As the years have gone by the gap has closed and the other kids are catching up, but he's still out there. They pre-test at the beginning of every quarter on the topics they're going to cover. He got his results back for spring and scored 94% on science and 85% on math...on what they haven't taught him yet. He's not very good at being smart around other people either. He corrects them all the time and can be kind of annoying. My Dad calls him Cliffy, as in Cliff Claven from Cheers because he's kind of a know it all. I kind of think independent, knowledge seeking, doesn't give a shit about other kids little Sam is now at odds with hormonal, adolescent "need to belong" Sam. Being smart is fine. But, a lot of kids are smart. And, a lot of smart kids struggle because they dont' develop good people skills. Now is the time for him to develop good people skills. It doesnt' matter how smart he is. I mean, you can supplement him at home with extra material or sign him up for a chess club or any number of things. He needs to understand that he has to respect authority and get along with peers. And, it doesn't matter whether he thinks that what he is asked to do is "stupid or lame" or whatever. He needs to get the message that if he wants to do what he wants to do, then he is going to have to spend some time first doing some of what he doesnt' want to do. That was the message to my son. You have to do what you don't want to do in order to be able to do what you do want to do. Whether you want to do it, find it useful or relevant, doesn't matter. Just do the freaking somersault. At least TRY, for real. If for some reason he truly cannot, then go to the teacher and see if there is some alternate thing he can do. For me, I just took a No nonsense approach. Either your work is done or it isnt' done. I dont' care why. I don't care if the dog ate your homework or you fell asleep or whatever. Oh well. It isnt' done, so now you don't get Xbox for the rest of the weekend or semester or whatver. When my son was 14, he "lived Amish". Meaning, because he was being soooo annoying, i took away everything that plugged in , had a battery or a screen, etc. No electronics, TV, nada, nothing for a YEAR. And, one day he was particuarly mouthy and obnoxious, i made him write a Letter of Apology to all of his teachers. You shouldn't agonize of HIS work. It is HIS work. He needs to own it. I had to step back. You OWN your work. Sooo, if you flunk, have to attend summer school or whatever, that is on you kid, because I did MY homework when i was 14 and now you can choose to do it or not. Of course his response was was, "well i just won't do it and i will flunk out". At which point i said, Go ahead, that's on you. If that's what you wanna do then fine. I will feed you until you are 18 yrs old, then the day you turn 18, i am going to drop you off under the nearest bridge and you can figure it out! Because i can only help you To the extent that you help yourself. Lol. I mean he didn't wise up immediately. But, i let him own his choices and he slid though to the finish line and graduated with so so grades and now he is a fine young man. It takes time. Take a deep breath. He will get there. He is just in the Squirrelly phase of being a dumb adolsecent boy right now.
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Being smart is fine. But, a lot of kids are smart. And, a lot of smart kids struggle because they dont' develop good people skills. I just gave him the "at 18 if you're not in college you're on your own" speech the other night. I then pointed out to him that if he couldn't even get into the high school, he was going to have a hell of a time getting into college so he'd better start thinking of how he was going to pay rent somewhere. As for being smart. His Dad has been telling him since Kindergarten that there are a lot of smart people in prison, so he has to be smart, FOLLOW THE RULES, and work hard. I WISH I could take away everything electronic from him. It would never fly because his Dad wouldn't back me on it. He's an IT, techy guy and his house is filled with computers, big screens, ipads, ipods, etc... He did put time limits on the computer where it monitors and shuts itself down so he can't be sneaking in time and saying he wasn't on after school when he was.
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Post by 973beachbum on Feb 17, 2016 14:53:46 GMT -5
My son's school most of the work is done online. So saying we are going to get rid of everything electronic just wouldn't fly. It would turn our house upside down. How do you do homework on the computer when you don't have one? He can't walk to the library so I would have to drive him. I just don't have the time and even if I did I don't know how often we would get there and all the computers would be being used.
I will also say that punishment also implies choice. If he is choosing to not do something then punishment is fine. If he can't do something then punishment is probably going to make him even more upset and difficult.
My son is ADHD and OCD punishing him for it would be as effective as deciding to punish him for being brown eyed.
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Post by chen35 on Feb 17, 2016 16:21:06 GMT -5
Yeah, that's weird. Kneel on the floor, put the top of your head and palms of your hands on the floor in front of you. Lift you butt and straighten your legs. If he falls to the side, try again. He's got to luck out eventually and do one. (But, I agree with the others---get a doctor's evaluation. It could be a lot of related things.) I assure that after hundreds of tries he has never once lucked out. I don't know if it's his spine isn't flexible enough or if it's his muscles or what, but the best he can do is this crow hopping onto his head. The one time his Dad or I forced him over the rest of the way he was in pain for 2 weeks afterwards. I've long since given up caring at all about this. Of all the things he could struggle with in school, I'm fine with somersaults being his handicap. I think I told you this in your original thread, I couldn't do a somersault as a kid. I assume I still can't. I'm a successful adult now, so apparently it's not a life skill.
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Post by Cookies Galore on Feb 17, 2016 16:28:13 GMT -5
I assure that after hundreds of tries he has never once lucked out. I don't know if it's his spine isn't flexible enough or if it's his muscles or what, but the best he can do is this crow hopping onto his head. The one time his Dad or I forced him over the rest of the way he was in pain for 2 weeks afterwards. I've long since given up caring at all about this. Of all the things he could struggle with in school, I'm fine with somersaults being his handicap. I think I told you this in your original thread, I couldn't do a somersault as a kid. I assume I still can't. I'm a successful adult now, so apparently it's not a life skill. What, your office doesn't have Tumble Thursdays? Lame!
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Post by chen35 on Feb 17, 2016 16:34:53 GMT -5
I think I told you this in your original thread, I couldn't do a somersault as a kid. I assume I still can't. I'm a successful adult now, so apparently it's not a life skill. What, your office doesn't have Tumble Thursdays? Lame! They've tried, but I put the kibosh on it every time!
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Wisconsin Beth
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Post by Wisconsin Beth on Feb 17, 2016 17:16:28 GMT -5
What, your office doesn't have Tumble Thursdays? Lame! They've tried, but I put the kibosh on it every time! Ive suggested tequila Thursdays and for some reason it gets turned down.
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Cookies Galore
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Post by Cookies Galore on Feb 17, 2016 17:20:36 GMT -5
They've tried, but I put the kibosh on it every time! Ive suggested tequila Thursdays and for some reason it gets turned down. LAME!!!!
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Post by zibazinski on Feb 17, 2016 17:23:23 GMT -5
MPL, I bet if you gave your son a few shots of tequila, he'd tumble all over the place!
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Post by 973beachbum on Feb 17, 2016 17:24:12 GMT -5
If you make it Tequila Tumble Thursdays it can slide right into Free Condom Fridays.
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