Obama still going for death panels

[warsaw (banned)]

I enjoy listening to "A New Voice" radio, Stephanie, Big Ed, and Randy- seems a lot more educational.
It is also only fair to confess "dittohead" also is used by progressives to describe all listeners of Rush/Fox/bought off GOP, who neutral observers find to be seriously misled. My theory calls them "Pub Dupes" They REALLY don't like that....IMHO

[warsaw (banned)]

We're back to the "dying in the streets" argument again?


Well, not on the streets perhaps, but they die. My friend the bartender died of diabetes. Had toes, then half of foot taken off- got tired of medicaid that didn't pay for treatment, only for amputation. 45,000 others a year have their stories too. A scandal....

[deziloooooo]

That's why the initiative is there. Is it flawed? Of course..but it's a start..Sorry to hear that story, but it's a answer to one who brought up , "just go to the ER, they'll take care of you.
To a point , then your on your own.
If your bartender friend had regular medical care with testing, medication, regular medical care as I have and hopefully you too..he still may have passed but then again the diabetes may have been under better control and they would have been watching his other problems, possible kidneys, circulation, infections..it's not the diabetes that kills you as much as what it leads into and constant medical care is needed and with out insurance, the ER does not cover it.

[warsaw (banned)]

Exactly- ER Care is incredibly expensive and ineffective. She definitely would have been OK in other countries...she was very proud and independant. ALL Americans deserve care, will get it under health reform, and it will be CHEAPER than this mess. .

[alex2]

I do not like the idea of anyone deciding to put someone to sleep or pull the plug.
Keep me on the machine until I wake up in 5 years.
Perhaps if we were not letting in millions of Immigrants and giving away billions of our Tax money to the UN and IMF and Global Unions we would not be have so many of these conversations.

[deziloooooo]

Ut's not putting to sleep..it's more along the line does a 89 year old person get a hip transplant under medicare , or some other such procedure, more the trying of experimental procedures to possible give a few more monts of life when there is really little help for recovery or a extended quality of life. Not that a person can't have that procedure but should the government pay for it or should the indiviual them selves be responsible for the cost.
I can see if the person would be responsible for the cost, that the charge should be what medicare would be charged, and pay, that to me would be correct procedure. The patient is getting the benefit of the rate agreed on by the hospital and doctor who accepts medicare but the actual cost isn't on the government.