I went broke teaching your kids...

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Oct 19, 2015 17:10:58 GMT -5 MJ2.0 said:

I just pray that you don't teach reading comprehension. Smh....

If you are talking to me, I comprehended just fine.  I made a 780 on the verbal part of the GRE.  Twice.  Twenty years apart. 

My job as a teacher was compared to being a meat cutter.  I don't work weekends apparently because I don't get paid to work weekends.

It was pointed out to me that other professionals don't get paid to work weekends.

Therefore, the logical assumption is that other professionals such as accountants, lawyers, business managers, and CEOs also don't work weekends because they don't punch a time clock or pull a weekend shift.

Your reading comprehension, however, puzzles me as much as mine does you .  What about what I was told about teachers not working on weekends did I miss?  

Or did I miss the insult?  No, I didn't.  I comprehended it just fine.

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Oct 19, 2015 9:13:18 GMT -5 MJ2.0 said:

Oct 19, 2015 9:03:20 GMT -5 Cookies Galore said:

Why the hell should you feel any guilt for career choices you made? That's just silly, and slightly condescending. Some people choose lower paying fields knowing they are -gasp!- low paying because they actually like the work and/or find fulfillment in the field. You chose a lucrative career, no guilt necessary.

Well the only thing that matters is if you make a lot of money.... Duh.

No, of course it's not the only thing that matters- but, all other things being equal, more money is better than less money. 

[MJ2.0]

Well I can't speak for what that poster meant but I ASSume they were referring to the meat cutter having to come in and work on the weekends since their job can't be done elsewhere. I read what other people said and I still don't understand how you arrived at the conclusion that because the other professions don't punch a time clock that means they don't ever work weekends. They get paid a salary - a set amount regardless of how many hours they "work". If I decide to work 60 hours one week I make no extra money, just like you don't. Doesn't mean I'm not working.

Btw, I'm of the opinion that teachers do work really hard and put in a lot of extra hours... but for about 9 months a year.

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Oct 19, 2015 18:19:33 GMT -5 MJ2.0 said:

Well I can't speak for what that poster meant but I ASSume they were referring to the meat cutter having to come in and work on the weekends since their job can't be done elsewhere. I read what other people said and I still don't understand how you arrived at the conclusion that because the other professions don't punch a time clock that means they don't ever work weekends. They get paid a salary - a set amount regardless of how many hours they "work". If I decide to work 60 hours one week I make no extra money, just like you don't. Doesn't mean I'm not working.

Btw, I'm of the opinion that teachers do work really hard and put in a lot of extra hours... but for about 9 months a year.

That's fair. I was just responding to the reminders that I am not the only person who works, unpaid, on weekends. But my profession was singled out as "not working on weekends."

That's how I concluded that professionals don't work on weekends. If teachers are reminded that they aren't the only professionals who work unpaid on weekends but the assertion that teachers don't "work" on weekends stands, it follows logically that no professionals work on weekends simply because professionals don't get paid for it.

We all work hard.  Some of us are paid by the hour.  Some of us are paid by salary.

The nine-month thing is gone in my part of the country.  We start the first week in August and end the last week in May.  And, no, we don't have fall break.  There are just a lot of Professional Development days built in.  Last year was an unfortunate year because we started at the end of July.  So let's at least change it to teachers work 10 months a year. 

[Miss Tequila]

Oct 19, 2015 18:30:11 GMT -5 @bamafan1954 said:

Oct 19, 2015 18:19:33 GMT -5 MJ2.0 said:

Well I can't speak for what that poster meant but I ASSume they were referring to the meat cutter having to come in and work on the weekends since their job can't be done elsewhere. I read what other people said and I still don't understand how you arrived at the conclusion that because the other professions don't punch a time clock that means they don't ever work weekends. They get paid a salary - a set amount regardless of how many hours they "work". If I decide to work 60 hours one week I make no extra money, just like you don't. Doesn't mean I'm not working.

Btw, I'm of the opinion that teachers do work really hard and put in a lot of extra hours... but for about 9 months a year.

That's fair. I was just responding to the reminders that I am not the only person who works, unpaid, on weekends. But my profession was singled out as "not working on weekends."

That's how I concluded that professionals don't work on weekends. If teachers are reminded that they aren't the only professionals who work unpaid on weekends but the assertion that teachers don't "work" on weekends stands, it follows logically that no professionals work on weekends simply because professionals don't get paid for it.

We all work hard.  Some of us are paid by the hour.  Some of us are paid by salary.

The nine-month thing is gone in my part of the country.  We start the first week in August and end the last week in May.  And, no, we don't have fall break.  There are just a lot of Professional Development days built in.  Last year was an unfortunate year because we started at the end of July.  So let's at least change it to teachers work 10 months a year. 

In my state a school year is 180 days long. They don't get a full 3 months off in the summer (sometimes barely 2 1/2 depending on snow days). But they also get 1 1/2 werks at Christmas, easter break and every bs government holiday off. Oh, and going in at 10 because of snow counts as a full day...and we are in the northeast so that happens a lot

I do think it is dependent on the state. I know too many teachers personally to believe that they are overworked in my area. If they have to stay until they are whining about "their late day"...if I got to leave at 5 it would be an early day for me!

I much prefer my friends who are honest...they have sweet hours and wouldn't trade their hours for any amount of lau. That is honest and something I can respect. Im getting to the point where I want sweet hours too...but I know that means a cut in pay.

[gooddecisions]

Oct 19, 2015 18:09:06 GMT -5 @bamafan1954 said:

Oct 19, 2015 17:10:58 GMT -5 MJ2.0 said:

I just pray that you don't teach reading comprehension. Smh....

If you are talking to me, I comprehended just fine.  I made a 780 on the verbal part of the GRE.  Twice.  Twenty years apart. 

My job as a teacher was compared to being a meat cutter.  I don't work weekends apparently because I don't get paid to work weekends.

It was pointed out to me that other professionals don't get paid to work weekends.

Therefore, the logical assumption is that other professionals such as accountants, lawyers, business managers, and CEOs also don't work weekends because they don't punch a time clock or pull a weekend shift.

Your reading comprehension, however, puzzles me as much as mine does you .  What about what I was told about teachers not working on weekends did I miss?  

Or did I miss the insult?  No, I didn't.  I comprehended it just fine.

I think the point was, the meat cutter isn't fitting in a couple of hours during the weekend when the time allows. They have to physically be in a work location for a full day and are unable to attend events and other activities on any given weekend they are scheduled to work.

The salaried non-shift worker, teacher in this example, can still attend events and schedule around their personal life to fit in that couple of hours they couldn't get done during the work week. Teachers get singled out only because they are the only profession out of all the professions that boohoo and complain about it anytime somebody says anything about the job. See the difference?

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Oct 19, 2015 19:03:43 GMT -5 gooddecisions said:

Oct 19, 2015 18:09:06 GMT -5 @bamafan1954 said:

If you are talking to me, I comprehended just fine.  I made a 780 on the verbal part of the GRE.  Twice.  Twenty years apart. 

My job as a teacher was compared to being a meat cutter.  I don't work weekends apparently because I don't get paid to work weekends.

It was pointed out to me that other professionals don't get paid to work weekends.

Therefore, the logical assumption is that other professionals such as accountants, lawyers, business managers, and CEOs also don't work weekends because they don't punch a time clock or pull a weekend shift.

Your reading comprehension, however, puzzles me as much as mine does you .  What about what I was told about teachers not working on weekends did I miss?  

Or did I miss the insult?  No, I didn't.  I comprehended it just fine.

I think the point was, the meat cutter isn't fitting in a couple of hours during the weekend when the time allows. They have to physically be in a work location for a full day and are unable to attend events and other activities on any given weekend they are scheduled to work.

The salaried non-shift worker, teacher in this example, can still attend events and schedule around their personal life to fit in that couple of hours they couldn't get done during the work week. Teachers get singled out only because they are the only profession out of all the professions that boohoo and complain about it anytime somebody says anything about the job. See the difference?

No, because I didn't complain.  I just observed that I do work on weekends contrary to the direct statement that teachers don't.  Working on weekends shouldn't be defined as punching a time clock.  If it is, then accountants, lawyers, CEOs don't work weekends either. 

[gooddecisions]

Sigh. I give up.

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Oct 19, 2015 18:56:08 GMT -5 Miss Tequila said:

Oct 19, 2015 18:30:11 GMT -5 @bamafan1954 said:

That's fair. I was just responding to the reminders that I am not the only person who works, unpaid, on weekends. But my profession was singled out as "not working on weekends."

That's how I concluded that professionals don't work on weekends. If teachers are reminded that they aren't the only professionals who work unpaid on weekends but the assertion that teachers don't "work" on weekends stands, it follows logically that no professionals work on weekends simply because professionals don't get paid for it.

We all work hard.  Some of us are paid by the hour.  Some of us are paid by salary.

The nine-month thing is gone in my part of the country.  We start the first week in August and end the last week in May.  And, no, we don't have fall break.  There are just a lot of Professional Development days built in.  Last year was an unfortunate year because we started at the end of July.  So let's at least change it to teachers work 10 months a year. 

In my state a school year is 180 days long. They don't get a full 3 months off in the summer (sometimes barely 2 1/2 depending on snow days). But they also get 1 1/2 werks at Christmas, easter break and every bs government holiday off. Oh, and going in at 10 because of snow counts as a full day...and we are in the northeast so that happens a lot

I do think it is dependent on the state. I know too many teachers personally to believe that they are overworked in my area. If they have to stay until they are whining about "their late day"...if I got to leave at 5 it would be an early day for me!

I much prefer my friends who are honest...they have sweet hours and wouldn't trade their hours for any amount of lau. That is honest and something I can respect. Im getting to the point where I want sweet hours too...but I know that means a cut in pay.

I don't have sweet hours and would trade my hours for a decent raise (I earn less than I did in 2009) even if it means working 12 months a year.  I've worked 12 months a year most of my life, doing retail and summer school to earn a few more $$$.

I get up at 4:15 every morning, and I try to go to bed at 9 p.m. every night so that I can rinse/repeat.  I am at school somewhere around 6:15.  My first class is at 7:15, but I have stuff I need to do.  I have to be there by 7:00, anyway.  I get out at 2:45.  I usually leave about 3:25.  I get 20 minutes for lunch, but it's at 1:15.  On club days, it is at 1:30.

I am NOT complaining.  This is my job.  It is what I chose to do for a living.  But it's not the easy job that most people think it is. I will admit that I chose one of the harder disciplines, English.  Essay grading is horrendous.  But it is what it is.  I chose it.

But please don't assume that everyone has sweet hours, etc. 

[TheHaitian]

Oct 19, 2015 19:42:22 GMT -5 @bamafan1954 said:

Oct 19, 2015 18:56:08 GMT -5 Miss Tequila said:

In my state a school year is 180 days long. They don't get a full 3 months off in the summer (sometimes barely 2 1/2 depending on snow days). But they also get 1 1/2 werks at Christmas, easter break and every bs government holiday off. Oh, and going in at 10 because of snow counts as a full day...and we are in the northeast so that happens a lot

I do think it is dependent on the state. I know too many teachers personally to believe that they are overworked in my area. If they have to stay until they are whining about "their late day"...if I got to leave at 5 it would be an early day for me!

I much prefer my friends who are honest...they have sweet hours and wouldn't trade their hours for any amount of lau. That is honest and something I can respect. Im getting to the point where I want sweet hours too...but I know that means a cut in pay.

I don't have sweet hours and would trade my hours for a decent raise (I earn less than I did in 2009) even if it means working 12 months a year.  I've worked 12 months a year most of my life, doing retail and summer school to earn a few more $$$.

I get up at 4:15 every morning, and I try to go to bed at 9 p.m. every night so that I can rinse/repeat.  I am at school somewhere around 6:15.  My first class is at 7:15, but I have stuff I need to do.  I have to be there by 7:00, anyway.  I get out at 2:45.  I usually leave about 3:25.  I get 20 minutes for lunch, but it's at 1:15.  On club days, it is at 1:30.

I am NOT complaining.  This is my job.  It is what I chose to do for a living.  But it's not the easy job that most people think it is. I will admit that I chose one of the harder disciplines, English.  Essay grading is horrendous.  But it is what it.  I chose it.

But please don't assume that everyone has sweet hours, etc. 

At a minimum I work 10 hour days : 7 AM till 5 PM... And lucky if I get out by 6-6:30 PM (lately has been more like 14 hour days).

So yeah; your hours seems pretty sweet to me!

Look all we are saying is: everyone have jobs that require them to work long hours / extra hours that they do not get paid for if they are salaried employees.

But the teaching profession has gained the title of the "whiners" because they are really vocal/loud about their complaints and working extra/weekends/before school open and after school open is usually at the top!

We are not singling you out; just saying in general that is how it usually plays out. So someone like me that works retail 50-70 hours a week, every weekend, all major holidays, all summer (because we work while others are enjoying the holidays) tend to roll my eyes when my next door neighbor that is a 5th grade teacher start bitching about how hard her job is.

All job sucks; heck my current one sucks donkey balls... But it is what it is. I knew what I signed up for when I took the position so it would be laughable for me to use that as a negotiation tactic during my next review!

Also to add: great you get to grade papers from the comfort of your home. I need to physically be at WORK to do anything related to work (nature of the business) so snow storm? My ass is here. Blizzard? My ass is here. My extra 20-30 hrs a week, my ass is here not at home. Last major snow storm? I was at work 29 hours straight, I did not get paid for that; state of emergency and all!

And don't tell me it is not easier; my wife gets to work from home a lot also (research/academia) and I envy the days she doesn't even bother to get out of her pj's, and plop the lap top on her lap and work from the comfort of her bed. But unfortunately a lot of us work jobs that do not allow us to work from home, you have to physically be in the building to do it.

Anyway, in conclusion the backlash you are seeing is from years of listening to teachers complain about their job and how they deserve this and that; while people are now saying: you got to be freaking kidding me? Do you know what my job is like?

We all have part of our jobs that sucks! All jobs sucks in a form or another; let's stop the pissing contest!

[Miss Tequila]

Oct 19, 2015 19:42:22 GMT -5 @bamafan1954 said:

Oct 19, 2015 18:56:08 GMT -5 Miss Tequila said:

In my state a school year is 180 days long. They don't get a full 3 months off in the summer (sometimes barely 2 1/2 depending on snow days). But they also get 1 1/2 werks at Christmas, easter break and every bs government holiday off. Oh, and going in at 10 because of snow counts as a full day...and we are in the northeast so that happens a lot

I do think it is dependent on the state. I know too many teachers personally to believe that they are overworked in my area. If they have to stay until they are whining about "their late day"...if I got to leave at 5 it would be an early day for me!

I much prefer my friends who are honest...they have sweet hours and wouldn't trade their hours for any amount of lau. That is honest and something I can respect. Im getting to the point where I want sweet hours too...but I know that means a cut in pay.

I don't have sweet hours and would trade my hours for a decent raise (I earn less than I did in 2009) even if it means working 12 months a year.  I've worked 12 months a year most of my life, doing retail and summer school to earn a few more $$$.

I get up at 4:15 every morning, and I try to go to bed at 9 p.m. every night so that I can rinse/repeat.  I am at school somewhere around 6:15.  My first class is at 7:15, but I have stuff I need to do.  I have to be there by 7:00, anyway.  I get out at 2:45.  I usually leave about 3:25.  I get 20 minutes for lunch, but it's at 1:15.  On club days, it is at 1:30.

I am NOT complaining.  This is my job.  It is what I chose to do for a living.  But it's not the easy job that most people think it is. I will admit that I chose one of the harder disciplines, English.  Essay grading is horrendous.  But it is what it.  I chose it.

But please don't assume that everyone has sweet hours, etc. 

But see, your post just proves that you don't know how sweet your hours really are...you are only there 9 hours a day...that is a short day for me!  I rarely take lunch and eat at my desk as I can.  I'm not complaining about my hours, just pointing out why some of us think you do actually have sweet hours.  Oh, and I get a whopping 3 weeks off a year...not 2 months! 

But yes, I am getting to the point where I am willing to trade my sweet salary for your sweet hours...the divorce set me back a little so I have a few more years to go...but the minute I can, I am jumping to a career with less hours. 

[giramomma]

Oct 19, 2015 19:42:22 GMT -5 @bamafan1954 said:

I don't have sweet hours and would trade my hours for a decent raise (I earn less than I did in 2009) even if it means working 12 months a year.  I've worked 12 months a year most of my life, doing retail and summer school to earn a few more $$$.

I get up at 4:15 every morning, and I try to go to bed at 9 p.m. every night so that I can rinse/repeat.  I am at school somewhere around 6:15.  My first class is at 7:15, but I have stuff I need to do.  I have to be there by 7:00, anyway.  I get out at 2:45.  I usually leave about 3:25.  I get 20 minutes for lunch, but it's at 1:15.  On club days, it is at 1:30.

I am NOT complaining.  This is my job.  It is what I chose to do for a living.  But it's not the easy job that most people think it is. I will admit that I chose one of the harder disciplines, English.  Essay grading is horrendous.  But it is what it.  I chose it.

But please don't assume that everyone has sweet hours, etc. 

I don't think that teaching is easy. I think it's hard, and chose not to go into the public schools to teach.

And particularly in today's climate, being any sort of public sector worker is considered bad. So, you aren't alone...I work in higher education. It's been an interesting ride. The "nicest" thing that has happened to us is being told that you are furloughed on state worker appreciation day. You just learn to have a thick skin..

I can relate to long days. My days go from 5:30 am -10/11 or so. But I have to say, it's not because I'm working nearly all of that time.  If I have to work 10-12 hour days plus weekends at a job that has no ladder to move up on, I'd personally rethink the job or my approach to the job.



 

[joemilitary]

Oct 19, 2015 20:13:24 GMT -5 Miss Tequila said:

Oct 19, 2015 19:42:22 GMT -5 @bamafan1954 said:

I don't have sweet hours and would trade my hours for a decent raise (I earn less than I did in 2009) even if it means working 12 months a year.  I've worked 12 months a year most of my life, doing retail and summer school to earn a few more $$$.

I get up at 4:15 every morning, and I try to go to bed at 9 p.m. every night so that I can rinse/repeat.  I am at school somewhere around 6:15.  My first class is at 7:15, but I have stuff I need to do.  I have to be there by 7:00, anyway.  I get out at 2:45.  I usually leave about 3:25.  I get 20 minutes for lunch, but it's at 1:15.  On club days, it is at 1:30.

I am NOT complaining.  This is my job.  It is what I chose to do for a living.  But it's not the easy job that most people think it is. I will admit that I chose one of the harder disciplines, English.  Essay grading is horrendous.  But it is what it.  I chose it.

But please don't assume that everyone has sweet hours, etc. 

But see, your post just proves that you don't know how sweet your hours really are...you are only there 9 hours a day...that is a short day for me!  I rarely take lunch and eat at my desk as I can.  I'm not complaining about my hours, just pointing out why some of us think you do actually have sweet hours.  Oh, and I get a whopping 3 weeks off a year...not 2 months! 

But yes, I am getting to the point where I am willing to trade my sweet salary for your sweet hours...the divorce set me back a little so I have a few more years to go...but the minute I can, I am jumping to a career with less hours. 

you do realize a sugar daddy could help you reach your goals earlier......

[Deleted]

Oct 19, 2015 20:13:24 GMT -5 Miss Tequila said:

Oct 19, 2015 19:42:22 GMT -5 @bamafan1954 said:

I don't have sweet hours and would trade my hours for a decent raise (I earn less than I did in 2009) even if it means working 12 months a year.  I've worked 12 months a year most of my life, doing retail and summer school to earn a few more $$$.

I get up at 4:15 every morning, and I try to go to bed at 9 p.m. every night so that I can rinse/repeat.  I am at school somewhere around 6:15.  My first class is at 7:15, but I have stuff I need to do.  I have to be there by 7:00, anyway.  I get out at 2:45.  I usually leave about 3:25.  I get 20 minutes for lunch, but it's at 1:15.  On club days, it is at 1:30.

I am NOT complaining.  This is my job.  It is what I chose to do for a living.  But it's not the easy job that most people think it is. I will admit that I chose one of the harder disciplines, English.  Essay grading is horrendous.  But it is what it.  I chose it.

But please don't assume that everyone has sweet hours, etc. 

But see, your post just proves that you don't know how sweet your hours really are...you are only there 9 hours a day...that is a short day for me!  I rarely take lunch and eat at my desk as I can.  I'm not complaining about my hours, just pointing out why some of us think you do actually have sweet hours.  Oh, and I get a whopping 3 weeks off a year...not 2 months! 

But yes, I am getting to the point where I am willing to trade my sweet salary for your sweet hours...the divorce set me back a little so I have a few more years to go...but the minute I can, I am jumping to a career with less hours. 

Go for it.  But add another 11 hours on the weekend to grade essays.  That is 45 -75, depending on Dual Enrollment or Regular.   It isn't every weekend.  It is only six out of the last nine.  So not so bad.  

The point isn't that I work harder than anyone else.  It is all of us work hard.  Teachers included.  It is a different type of hard depending on your job.  

[Miss Tequila]

Oct 19, 2015 20:28:44 GMT -5 joemilitary said:

Oct 19, 2015 20:13:24 GMT -5 Miss Tequila said:

But see, your post just proves that you don't know how sweet your hours really are...you are only there 9 hours a day...that is a short day for me!  I rarely take lunch and eat at my desk as I can.  I'm not complaining about my hours, just pointing out why some of us think you do actually have sweet hours.  Oh, and I get a whopping 3 weeks off a year...not 2 months! 

But yes, I am getting to the point where I am willing to trade my sweet salary for your sweet hours...the divorce set me back a little so I have a few more years to go...but the minute I can, I am jumping to a career with less hours. 

you do realize a sugar daddy could help you reach your goals earlier......

How YOU doin'

[Miss Tequila]

Oct 19, 2015 20:30:27 GMT -5 @bamafan1954 said:

Oct 19, 2015 20:13:24 GMT -5 Miss Tequila said:

But see, your post just proves that you don't know how sweet your hours really are...you are only there 9 hours a day...that is a short day for me!  I rarely take lunch and eat at my desk as I can.  I'm not complaining about my hours, just pointing out why some of us think you do actually have sweet hours.  Oh, and I get a whopping 3 weeks off a year...not 2 months! 

But yes, I am getting to the point where I am willing to trade my sweet salary for your sweet hours...the divorce set me back a little so I have a few more years to go...but the minute I can, I am jumping to a career with less hours. 

Go for it.  But add another 11 hours on the weekend to grade essays.  That is 45 -75, depending on Dual Enrollment or Regular.   It isn't every weekend.  It is only six out of the last nine.  So not so bad.  

The point isn't that I work harder than anyone else.  It is all of us work hard.  Teachers included.  It is a different type of hard depending on your job.  

I never said we don't work hard...I just don't see a bunch of accountants, attorneys, etc., whining about how overworked and underpaid they  are.  I spent 17 years in public accounting where 70-80 work weeks (7 days a week) for 3.5 months were the norm.  It was my chosen career and yeah, I would have loved to not work those kind of hours but it came with the a territory....so no, I don't think 9 hour days including lunch and 11 hours over a weekend are really that bad...in fact, in total, you are working what some of us work each week.  That's the frustrating part when I hear teachers start about how much they work...umm, welcome to the real world...

[Cookies Galore]

Oct 19, 2015 20:13:24 GMT -5 Miss Tequila said:

Oct 19, 2015 19:42:22 GMT -5 @bamafan1954 said:

I don't have sweet hours and would trade my hours for a decent raise (I earn less than I did in 2009) even if it means working 12 months a year.  I've worked 12 months a year most of my life, doing retail and summer school to earn a few more $$$.

I get up at 4:15 every morning, and I try to go to bed at 9 p.m. every night so that I can rinse/repeat.  I am at school somewhere around 6:15.  My first class is at 7:15, but I have stuff I need to do.  I have to be there by 7:00, anyway.  I get out at 2:45.  I usually leave about 3:25.  I get 20 minutes for lunch, but it's at 1:15.  On club days, it is at 1:30.

I am NOT complaining.  This is my job.  It is what I chose to do for a living.  But it's not the easy job that most people think it is. I will admit that I chose one of the harder disciplines, English.  Essay grading is horrendous.  But it is what it.  I chose it.

But please don't assume that everyone has sweet hours, etc. 

But see, your post just proves that you don't know how sweet your hours really are...you are only there 9 hours a day...that is a short day for me!  I rarely take lunch and eat at my desk as I can.  I'm not complaining about my hours, just pointing out why some of us think you do actually have sweet hours.  Oh, and I get a whopping 3 weeks off a year...not 2 months! 

But yes, I am getting to the point where I am willing to trade my sweet salary for your sweet hours...the divorce set me back a little so I have a few more years to go...but the minute I can, I am jumping to a career with less hours. 

Nine hours?! Bah! That's so long!

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Oct 19, 2015 20:47:53 GMT -5 Cookies Galore said:

Oct 19, 2015 20:13:24 GMT -5 Miss Tequila said:

But see, your post just proves that you don't know how sweet your hours really are...you are only there 9 hours a day...that is a short day for me!  I rarely take lunch and eat at my desk as I can.  I'm not complaining about my hours, just pointing out why some of us think you do actually have sweet hours.  Oh, and I get a whopping 3 weeks off a year...not 2 months! 

But yes, I am getting to the point where I am willing to trade my sweet salary for your sweet hours...the divorce set me back a little so I have a few more years to go...but the minute I can, I am jumping to a career with less hours. 

Nine hours?! Bah! That's so long!

And this is why I have to get away from here.  I try to be respectful about what you guys do.  But you can't reciprocate.  I know how hard I work.  I know how hard you guys work.

i don't understand the disrespect for each other.  

But enjoy.  Continue teacher bashing because it is so much fun!

[Cookies Galore]

Oct 19, 2015 20:57:38 GMT -5 @bamafan1954 said:

Oct 19, 2015 20:47:53 GMT -5 Cookies Galore said:

Nine hours?! Bah! That's so long!

And this is why I have to get away from here.  I try to be respectful about what you guys do.  But you can't reciprocate.  I know how hard I work.  I know how hard you guys work.

i don't understand the disrespect for each other.  

But enjoy.  Continue teacher bashing because it is so much fun!

Oh no! I was joking with Miss T because I actually do work a 35-hour "cushy" job. Nine hours is a long day for me! She knows how much I love my hours.
I actually think all the teacher bashing is lame.

[gooddecisions]

I don't see the bashing. It would just be refreshing for a teacher to just for once say, yeah- I have a pretty sweet gig which is why I went into it. You should come teach, too. And, not always feel the need to demand everyone agree that it is the hardest most underpaid position. But hey, what do you expect from a profession of mostly women.

I catch myself sometimes too when people tell me I'm lucky. And, then I stop myself and say, you're right I am lucky and my life is awesome. No need for a pity party. 

[mollyanna58]

Oct 19, 2015 20:57:38 GMT -5 @bamafan1954 said:

Oct 19, 2015 20:47:53 GMT -5 Cookies Galore said:

And this is why I have to get away from here.  I try to be respectful about what you guys do.  But you can't reciprocate.  I know how hard I work.  I know how hard you guys work.

i don't understand the disrespect for each other.  

But enjoy.  Continue teacher bashing because it is so much fun!

Please don't leave again.  I was happy to see you came back. 

[taz157]

Oct 19, 2015 22:17:10 GMT -5 mollyanna58 said:

Oct 19, 2015 20:57:38 GMT -5 @bamafan1954 said:

And this is why I have to get away from here.  I try to be respectful about what you guys do.  But you can't reciprocate.  I know how hard I work.  I know how hard you guys work.

i don't understand the disrespect for each other.  

But enjoy.  Continue teacher bashing because it is so much fun!

Please don't leave again.  I was happy to see you came back. 

Yeah that.

[thyme4change]

Oct 19, 2015 15:56:18 GMT -5 @bamafan1954 said:

Oct 19, 2015 14:10:32 GMT -5 swamp said:

Every professional puts in some unpaid hours.

It's much nicer to do it at home in yoga pants from the comfort of your couch.

I don't disagree although sometimes you simply have to go into the office.  Projects tend to be too bulky to load up and bring home with you.  We don't have access to our rooms when we aren't teaching in them except when school is out.  We have someone "floating" in there to teach their own class.  Using every room 100% of the time for classroom instruction is considered wise use of resources and saves on an additional high school. 

But I get it now.  Accountants, lawyers, managers, and CEOS never have to work weekends.  Thanks for explaining that one to me.

Shit - why did my husband and I work so many hours last weekend?  I didn't know that Accountants and Lawyers never worked weekends.  Next time I will tell him we are exempt from unpaid overtime because we don't have cute little memes that say how overworked and under appreciated we are.  

[NomoreDramaQ1015]

I'd love to just do paper work as overtime/weekend work.   It would beat the hell out of having to come in and piss off rats by injecting them with antibiotics or dealing with stupid leaking HPLC machines.

[thyme4change]

Oct 19, 2015 20:57:38 GMT -5 @bamafan1954 said:

Oct 19, 2015 20:47:53 GMT -5 Cookies Galore said:

Nine hours?! Bah! That's so long!

And this is why I have to get away from here.  I try to be respectful about what you guys do.  But you can't reciprocate.  I know how hard I work.  I know how hard you guys work.

i don't understand the disrespect for each other.  

But enjoy.  Continue teacher bashing because it is so much fun!

If I agree that teachers work as hard as every other profession - can I also request that all the whining and memes and bitching and moaning that goes on constantly from teachers be reduced to a minimum.  Them constantly demanding respect and complaining about how much they work has made me respect them less - not more.  I wish the vast majority of them could figure that out - the rest of us work too.  I think they compare themselves to the SAHMs that they inevitably come in contact with and think that is what life is like if you are not a teacher - and therefore they have the right to spread their discontent all over the place.  

[973beachbum]

Oct 19, 2015 20:57:38 GMT -5 @bamafan1954 said:

Oct 19, 2015 20:47:53 GMT -5 Cookies Galore said:

Nine hours?! Bah! That's so long!

And this is why I have to get away from here.  I try to be respectful about what you guys do.  But you can't reciprocate.  I know how hard I work.  I know how hard you guys work.

i don't understand the disrespect for each other.  

But enjoy.  Continue teacher bashing because it is so much fun!

I have lots of friends who teach.  And as a group I don't think they understand the outside world very well.  Most of them are in two teacher households.  It kind of gives them a weird sense of the world that doesn't seem to include what the rest of us do. 

In my area you would be making about twice what you are making.  You would also be paying about twice what you are paying for everything too. 

IMO experience you actually have about the most labor intensive teaching job there is.   The only people who I know who spend about as much time grading are AP or honors history teachers.  But that said most of the engineers I know, with PE's, don't make much more than $120K a year, and a lot make much less than that, and they work at least 9 hours a day,  So the salary is comparable. The hours are comparable.  It is only the days worked per year and  benefits that are different.  And trust me the schools have way better in both of those!

[resolution]

Oct 20, 2015 8:43:32 GMT -5 thyme4change said:

Oct 19, 2015 20:57:38 GMT -5 @bamafan1954 said:

And this is why I have to get away from here.  I try to be respectful about what you guys do.  But you can't reciprocate.  I know how hard I work.  I know how hard you guys work.

i don't understand the disrespect for each other.  

But enjoy.  Continue teacher bashing because it is so much fun!

If I agree that teachers work as hard as every other profession - can I also request that all the whining and memes and bitching and moaning that goes on constantly from teachers be reduced to a minimum.  Them constantly demanding respect and complaining about how much they work has made me respect them less - not more.  I wish the vast majority of them could figure that out - the rest of us work too.  I think they compare themselves to the SAHMs that they inevitably come in contact with and think that is what life is like if you are not a teacher - and therefore they have the right to spread their discontent all over the place.  

I would stop hanging out with them if they do nothing but constantly complain. My sister and SIL are both teachers and they just hang out and have normal conversations with me like everyone else. I haven't met any whining and demanding teachers in real life, just like i haven't seen a crab buying, SUV driving,Coach purse wearing, welfare person.

[thyme4change]

Oct 20, 2015 8:48:11 GMT -5 resolution said:

Oct 20, 2015 8:43:32 GMT -5 thyme4change said:

If I agree that teachers work as hard as every other profession - can I also request that all the whining and memes and bitching and moaning that goes on constantly from teachers be reduced to a minimum.  Them constantly demanding respect and complaining about how much they work has made me respect them less - not more.  I wish the vast majority of them could figure that out - the rest of us work too.  I think they compare themselves to the SAHMs that they inevitably come in contact with and think that is what life is like if you are not a teacher - and therefore they have the right to spread their discontent all over the place.  

I would stop hanging out with them if they do nothing but constantly complain. My sister and SIL are both teachers and they just hang out and have normal conversations with me like everyone else. I haven't met any whining and demanding teachers in real life, just like i haven't seen a crab buying, SUV driving,Coach purse wearing, welfare person.

It is Facebook - I probably could the people that post that crap.  But it is also articles.  Using Google - I could find scores of articles about teaching just like the OP...whiny, whiny, blah, blah, blah.  Nursing too.  But very few about being a marketer, or an accountant, or an engineer, or a HR rep (or whatever.)  Why is it such a surprise to every generation of teachers?  They have been complaining for decades.  If you can't hack it without writing weekly blogs about your poor, sad work situation - pick a different career.  

[Miss Tequila]

Oct 20, 2015 8:58:31 GMT -5 thyme4change said:

Oct 20, 2015 8:48:11 GMT -5 resolution said:

I would stop hanging out with them if they do nothing but constantly complain. My sister and SIL are both teachers and they just hang out and have normal conversations with me like everyone else. I haven't met any whining and demanding teachers in real life, just like i haven't seen a crab buying, SUV driving,Coach purse wearing, welfare person.

It is Facebook - I probably could the people that post that crap.  But it is also articles.  Using Google - I could find scores of articles about teaching just like the OP...whiny, whiny, blah, blah, blah.  Nursing too.  But very few about being a marketer, or an accountant, or an engineer, or a HR rep (or whatever.)  Why is it such a surprise to every generation of teachers?  They have been complaining for decades.  If you can't hack it without writing weekly blogs about your poor, sad work situation - pick a different career.  

  It is the constant whining and entitlement attitude that frustrates me.  I mean, I bitch about my hours and tight deadlines but they are part of my job and I knew that going in.  Everyone gets frustrated and annoyed and bitches but everything I read from a teacher's point of view makes it sound like they work so much harder, deserve so much more money, etc.  I have friends in real life that are teachers and they don't act like that, at least not publicly....maybe because they know I would slap them down

[Miss Tequila]

Oct 19, 2015 21:01:23 GMT -5 Cookies Galore said:

Oct 19, 2015 20:57:38 GMT -5 @bamafan1954 said:

And this is why I have to get away from here.  I try to be respectful about what you guys do.  But you can't reciprocate.  I know how hard I work.  I know how hard you guys work.

i don't understand the disrespect for each other.  

But enjoy.  Continue teacher bashing because it is so much fun!

Oh no! I was joking with Miss T because I actually do work a 35-hour "cushy" job. Nine hours is a long day for me! She knows how much I love my hours.
I actually think all the teacher bashing is lame.

lol!  And I tell you I would kill for your hours...and I love that you admit that you have cushy hours!  I respect that.  And dammit, I want those hours!lol