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Post by NomoreDramaQ1015 on Oct 5, 2015 8:57:50 GMT -5
Unless there's imminent harm to themselves or others, they have rights.
Even with that it's only a 72 hour observation period. If the person wants to leave afterwards even if it's against medical advice they have every right to.
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Post by Deleted on Oct 5, 2015 9:01:39 GMT -5
Unless there's imminent harm to themselves or others, they have rights.
Even with that it's only a 72 hour observation period. If the person wants to leave afterwards even if it's against medical advice they have every right to. Is thatt correct? I thought after the 72 hours it could go to a court and the court could decide further detainment is necessary.
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Post by thyme4change on Oct 5, 2015 9:02:53 GMT -5
Huckabee was on CNN this morning telling people that if they know someone who is "acting weird" they should call the police. The CNN anchor pointed out that there is no law against being creepy or socially isolated. Huckabee's response was basically that Obama sucks.
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Post by Deleted on Oct 5, 2015 9:11:20 GMT -5
What I don't really understand, is why the parents of these adult mentally ill children, all of a sudden say "Hey there's a problem here and I can't get help" Why was this not done when the child was under 18. Generally speaking (but not always) mental illness manifests during the teenage years. sometimes life is just hard for all the people involved and suddenly things get much worse very quickly. Though I see your point and think that earlier would have been better.
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Post by Tennesseer on Oct 5, 2015 9:14:09 GMT -5
What I don't really understand, is why the parents of these adult mentally ill children, all of a sudden say "Hey there's a problem here and I can't get help" Why was this not done when the child was under 18. Generally speaking (but not always) mental illness manifests during the teenage years. Sometimes the parent(s) are just as dysfunctual or crazy as their troubled child(ren).
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Post by Deleted on Oct 5, 2015 9:16:57 GMT -5
What I don't really understand, is why the parents of these adult mentally ill children, all of a sudden say "Hey there's a problem here and I can't get help" Why was this not done when the child was under 18. Generally speaking (but not always) mental illness manifests during the teenage years. also schizophrenia usually shows up when someone is in early twenties
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Post by NomoreDramaQ1015 on Oct 5, 2015 9:34:15 GMT -5
I thought after the 72 hours it could go to a court and the court could decide further detainment is necessary.
I think they can't keep them there while this happens, they have to release them if they are no longer considered an immediate threat to themselves or others.
Which is a good thing to an extent but at the same time it makes it REALLY hard to help those that need it the most b/c those people tend not realize they need help. Or they get help, feel better and decide they no longer need therapy/medication and the cycle starts all over again.
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Post by weltschmerz on Oct 5, 2015 12:04:43 GMT -5
Huckabee was on CNN this morning telling people that if they know someone who is "acting weird" they should call the police. The CNN anchor pointed out that there is no law against being creepy or socially isolated. Huckabee's response was basically that Obama sucks. Great! Looks like I can call the police because Huckabee is acting weird.
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Post by Angel! on Oct 5, 2015 12:10:33 GMT -5
Or, she could lie and say that he was talking about suicide when he was drunk, and hope that he doesn't remember. Then he can get committed for a couple of days, and maybe that would be a little wake up call. May depend on where you live, but there is a good chance even that won't work. I twice got my ex picked up when he was drunk & suicidal. They held him until he sobered up & let him go. No 72 hour hold or psych eval. Apparently if your drunk & threaten suicide it doesn't count.
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Post by Tennesseer on Oct 5, 2015 12:25:31 GMT -5
Huckabee was on CNN this morning telling people that if they know someone who is "acting weird" they should call the police. The CNN anchor pointed out that there is no law against being creepy or socially isolated. Huckabee's response was basically that Obama sucks. Great! Looks like I can call the police because Huckabee is acting weird.
Miley Cyrus' opening of the 41st season of SNL was right on.
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Post by weltschmerz on Oct 5, 2015 12:29:16 GMT -5
Yeah, it was a great show. I was literally guffawing.
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Post by chiver78 on Oct 5, 2015 12:42:06 GMT -5
Huckabee was on CNN this morning telling people that if they know someone who is "acting weird" they should call the police. The CNN anchor pointed out that there is no law against being creepy or socially isolated. Huckabee's response was basically that Obama sucks. how original.
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Post by chiver78 on Oct 5, 2015 12:46:00 GMT -5
Yeah, it was a great show. I was literally guffawing. is that from this past weekend? I can't load the video from work to see. if so, you (collective) need to look up the Hillary skit, it was priceless. whether you like her or not, she held her own and did a pretty spot-on impression of Trump. ETA: \endthreadhijack. damn page locked up before I could put that in the post in the first place.
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Post by mojothehelpermonkey on Oct 5, 2015 17:57:23 GMT -5
My brother has struggled with drinking and depression since watching our dad die. He decided to get help about a year ago, and he is doing a lot better now. Nobody could force him to get treatment before he was ready, but his friends did gently nag him. I think sometimes this can be easier for people who aren't quite as close to the person who needs help to do because the stakes of being cut off are a lot lower. You can't force him to get help, but you can let him know that you care about him and are concerned. Even if he doesn't react well, it may still sink in on some level.
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Post by weltschmerz on Oct 5, 2015 18:04:07 GMT -5
So was this. I was cracking up!!
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Post by Tennesseer on Oct 5, 2015 19:14:29 GMT -5
I forgot about that skit, weltschmerz. That was darn funny too.
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Post by Deleted on Oct 6, 2015 7:28:16 GMT -5
This has turned into a political thread
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Post by Deleted on Oct 6, 2015 9:04:35 GMT -5
Of course it has. It's unfortunate that people can't let the politics go when talking about different subjects. Obama is a jerk. There now the moderators will come around and tell us to quit the politics here.
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Post by t-dog on Oct 6, 2015 18:25:40 GMT -5
A lot of this is state dependent. In CA, you can put someone into an involuntary psych hold if they are a threat to themselves/someone else or are considered "gravely disabled" (5150). When I worked in an inpatient psych unit, the "gravely disabled" was used when the pt couldn't take care of themselves. The issue is that the standard for "caring for youurself" is pretty low. if they are homeless but know how to get food (even through foraging/dumpster diving) and shelter for themselves, they usually aren't considered gravely disabled. In CA, you can hold under 5150 for 72 hours. If you want to hold someone longer, you go to a 5250, where you go before a judge and the people who want to hold the patient have to PROVE to the judge that the person cannot take care of themselves. A lot of times, if the person can hold themselves together for a 1/2 hour hearing, the judge will let them back to the streets. Our unit would sometimes get lucky and make enough progress in the first 72 hours where the patient would waive their right to the 5250 hearing. Then they would be held on the hospital's say for a few more weeks. We always were trying to get the patient more stabilized and started on thinking ahead/how healthy they could be in the first little bit. This would make them more cooperative with treatment and, hopefully, make treatment more successful. I couldn't get the police to do a 5150 hold on my late husband even after they brought him home because he was ringing neighbors doorbells at 6:45 am to get someone to take him to Rite Aid to buy booze. Instead they threatened me because I had a 6 year old in the house with him (I was waiting on a rental approval and moved out 3 days later with the boy). The police instead of wanting to do a 5150 hold which required them to do a bunch of paperwork were willing to call CPS on me because then they wouldn't have as much paperwork because most of it would become CPS responsibility to complete.
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Post by Robert not Bobby on Oct 8, 2015 16:13:18 GMT -5
Nature makes mistakes, sometimes. I have a very mentally slow cousin, and he is the best guy in the world... he speaks without a filter, what is on his mind he will tell you...yes, it can be embarrassing, but it is also refreshing. So, I don't think he was a mistake. Just not exactly like the rest of us. Your cousin is Donald Trump? LOL Well, he is not as corpulent and not as boisterous, and much smarter...even though he is "slower" than most. But, don't rule out the Donald just yet.
Your Canadian election is soon to end, ours is just starting...we have a never ending election cycle. It makes for some mildly interesting TV, for some of us and then quickly gets boring.
What do you think of Putin's adventures in Syria? Is it all for home consumption...?
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Post by Robert not Bobby on Oct 8, 2015 16:36:42 GMT -5
I know this is "old school", but sometimes, you take their rights away if they are a potential harm to themselves or others.
Too much insane stuff going on here (not in my local community). Honestly, I'm thinking of taking my kids back to Ireland or Italy, where their great grand parents and grand parents were born.
Meh...I will stick it out, for now.
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Post by Deleted on Oct 18, 2015 16:50:29 GMT -5
A medical warrant was how it worked. There is guarded optimism things are much better. Thank you for the replies.
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Post by toomuchreality on Oct 18, 2015 23:58:07 GMT -5
A medical warrant was how it worked. There is guarded optimism things are much better. Thank you for the replies. All my best.
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Post by Deleted on Mar 2, 2016 18:27:57 GMT -5
Eta: thank you for the replies. They were helpful.
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Post by debthaven on Mar 2, 2016 18:43:44 GMT -5
Oh Hickle I am so so sorry. Your sister is very lucky to have you. It is horrific to have to bury two children. I'm so sorry.
ETA: It is impossible to help somebody who refuses help (unless they are a threat to others or themselves, as other posters have mentioned). A very close friend committed suicide recently. I don't know what happened to your nephew (and I am not asking) but if the person is an adult, and not a threat, and they refuse to solicit or accept or even admit they need help, unfortunately, there's not much somebody else can do.
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Post by debthaven on Mar 2, 2016 18:54:35 GMT -5
I started a thread here and asked for advice to help my friend who lost her husband to suicide. (It's actually the wife who is my very close friend, but we were close to her husband too.) Many people here mentioned joining a support group.
I looked, and I could not find one that fit the circumstances. I told my friend I was looking, and she said she refused to go to a support group, because she had enough trouble dealing with her own problems, she couldn't handle dealing with anybody else's.
But, perhaps your sister would be willing to go to one. As I told my friend, everybody there would have gone through the same experience she did, i.e. losing a child (children) in your sister's case, losing a loved one to suicide in my friend's case.
Other than that, I don't really know what to suggest, apart from continuing to be there for her.
Make sure she has groceries, make sure she eats, etc. Every time I go over I text her to ask her if she needs anything (she will only leave the house when absolutely necessary.) My friend loves my split pea and ham soup so I made it every week for her for 2 months. I bring fruit, take out Chinese, anything. I (and others) walk her dog. I know she will only eat if somebody eats with her, so I have lunch or dinner with her at least once a week now (I used to do it much more often but I too have scaled back now because of my work schedule). I still visit her 2-3 times a week.
At the beginning we set up a rotation for her. There were a lot of people who cooked for her / visited her / spent the night/walked the dog. But now it's been 2.5 months and there are much fewer of us still "attending" to her (for lack of a better word).
Thankfully, after 2 months, she finally started doing some things on her own.
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Post by Deleted on Mar 2, 2016 19:01:52 GMT -5
It is such a horrible painful thing. If what you say is true, idk, I don't know that it brings any solace.
Thank you
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Post by debthaven on Mar 2, 2016 19:10:33 GMT -5
It is such a horrible painful thing. It is indeed. There is not ONE morning that I don't wake up remembering my friend's text announcing her DH's suicide the previous day.
If what you say is true, idk, I don't know that it brings any solace. I don't know that it does either. I think it's just a fact.
With your new job, how far will you be from your sister? If you won't be close enough to see her regularly, call or text her (my friend prefers texts, she still won't answer the phone). You can set up a basic grocery delivery for her.
Does she have other children or other relatives? I would suggest getting together with them to see what you can all do for her.
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Post by buystoys on Mar 2, 2016 19:12:51 GMT -5
Hickle, my condolences to your sister and to you.
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Post by mojothehelpermonkey on Mar 2, 2016 19:19:22 GMT -5
I am sorry your family is going through this. Both my mom and my dad's sides of the family have a few people who seem to have gotten a raw deal when it comes to circumstances and propensity for addiction and mental illness. You can't fix your sister's problems, but you can still be there for her.
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