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Post by HoneyBBQ on Sept 15, 2015 15:50:28 GMT -5
Trouble is you can't force a kid to exercise. First things first. Change the diet. Cool it with the milk-hugely fattening and freaking 4 gallons a week? Stop the cheeses and mayo. Even catsup is pretty bad. Milk doesn't need to be drunk after school or with dinner-at all. I can't believe the amount of dairy. You can if you sign them up for football. Why do you keep pushing a non-athletic kid to play football? Seriously, it's just annoying. Like getting concussions repeatedly is going to help him...
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Post by HoneyBBQ on Sept 15, 2015 15:51:10 GMT -5
I honestly thought the stuff we had for snacks was pretty healthy. We never buy chips or crackers. But I do get big boxes of granola bars, trail mix, cheese sticks and greek yogurt from Sam's Club. That's what most of his snacks are. We'll the hot pockets. That's kind of a recent thing anyhow. Last year almost every day for lunch he had a chicken wrap with a greek yogurt. Not one of those things are healthy with the exception of the yogurt. As an addition to a meal, not as a meal. Cheese is incredibly fattening. Stay away from anything processed. Even yogurt is pretty bad. I have to force myself to eat plain greek and add my own fruit.
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Post by Deleted on Sept 15, 2015 15:51:04 GMT -5
You can if you sign them up for football. Why do you keep pushing a non-athletic kid to play football? Seriously, it's just annoying. Like getting concussions repeatedly is going to help him... His Dad was a phy-ed teacher. He can't help it.
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Post by giramomma on Sept 15, 2015 15:51:52 GMT -5
The kid needs to exercise. He is not going to exercise on his own. MPL does not have the time or energy to force the kid to exercise. MPL does have the ability to sign the kid up for a sport and make sure he is there. The coach can do the rest. Soccer is good for conditioning, but historically, the football coach is the one that makes sure the kids are practicing hard and won't take any excuses. Is the kid going to like it? Hell no. He is going to hate every minute and complain and try to get out of it. But he will be thankful when he is older. Yes and no. DS did tackle. And I have super cute pics of him in pads. Because he did not hit and did not like being hit, the coach would NOT put him out on the field for safety reasons. So, DS stood by the side lines and was the punt/kick returner. He played for 2 minutes out of 40ish minute game. And that was the end of that. Do you honestly think the coaches would spend the time and energy pushing a child in practice that does not want to play, and won't play? My DS was ALWAYS passed over. Because he wouldn't do the games. So, yes, my DS did the drills during practice. Yes, it benefit him physically for 6 months. But it was so not the answer.
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Post by Deleted on Sept 15, 2015 15:51:58 GMT -5
Not one of those things are healthy with the exception of the yogurt. As an addition to a meal, not as a meal. Cheese is incredibly fattening. Stay away from anything processed. Even yogurt is pretty bad. I have to force myself to eat plain greek and add my own fruit. Seriously? We go through like 6 things of it a day between the three of us. I thought that was a win.
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Post by milee on Sept 15, 2015 15:52:41 GMT -5
ArchietheDragon my son's soccer coach has them spending half the practice running and doing conditioning exercises - it showed the first game last weekend when they ran the whole game with only a couple kids getting tired. Doesn't have to be football to get him some exercise, simple walking would be a great start. With that said, I am now heading downstairs to the treadmill in the office that I have been ignoring for far too long.
Maybe create a virtual walking tour of the US that you work as a family all year. Start from your home and figure out how many miles it would be to walk to someplace he really wants to go. Then as you walk around daily, log the miles as progress toward your goal destination. Perhaps when you "arrive" at your destination you can do a special activity as a treat (weather dependent of course).
The kid needs to exercise. He is not going to exercise on his own. MPL does not have the time or energy to force the kid to exercise. MPL does have the ability to sign the kid up for a sport and make sure he is there. The coach can do the rest. Soccer is good for conditioning, but historically, the football coach is the one that makes sure the kids are practicing hard and won't take any excuses. Is the kid going to like it? Hell no. He is going to hate every minute and complain and try to get out of it. But he will be thankful when he is older. Not so sure he'll thank you later for the long term issues associated with concussions in football.
This kid - like mine - is going to need his brain to make a living later in life. If you're going to pick a sport for him, at least pick one that has a lower risk of jeopardizing his long term brain function.
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Post by ArchietheDragon on Sept 15, 2015 15:52:48 GMT -5
You can if you sign them up for football. Why do you keep pushing a non-athletic kid to play football? Seriously, it's just annoying. Like getting concussions repeatedly is going to help him... LOL. I i read a study that says you have to repeat something 27 times before it sinks in.
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Post by dannylion on Sept 15, 2015 15:53:09 GMT -5
Not one of those things are healthy with the exception of the yogurt. As an addition to a meal, not as a meal. Cheese is incredibly fattening. Stay away from anything processed. Even yogurt is pretty bad. I have to force myself to eat plain greek and add my own fruit. Try adding vanilla. I have recently discovered that the addition of vanilla makes many things yummy.
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Post by NomoreDramaQ1015 on Sept 15, 2015 15:53:49 GMT -5
Why do you keep pushing a non-athletic kid to play football? Seriously, it's just annoying. Like getting concussions repeatedly is going to help him...
It's also a great way to turn someone off exercise forever. To this day I loath team sports thanks to weekly abuse/harassment in PE class for 12 years.
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Post by milee on Sept 15, 2015 15:54:06 GMT -5
Even yogurt is pretty bad. I have to force myself to eat plain greek and add my own fruit. Seriously? We go through like 6 things of it a day between the three of us. I thought that was a win. What kind of greek yogurt is it? If it's plain, then that's a great choice. The flavored greek yogurt - not so much. Too much added sugar.
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Post by milee on Sept 15, 2015 15:56:58 GMT -5
Why do you keep pushing a non-athletic kid to play football? Seriously, it's just annoying. Like getting concussions repeatedly is going to help him...
It's also a great way to turn someone off exercise forever. To this day I loath team sports thanks to weekly abuse/harassment in PE class for 12 years. Don't worry, DramaQ. High school football teams are very caring, nurturing places where the kids are kind and would never dream of teasing, abusing or harassing the brainy, clumsy, shy kid. I'm sure football is exactly the right place for a kid who can't do a summersault, who doesn't interact well with peers and who hates physical activity.
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Post by ArchietheDragon on Sept 15, 2015 15:57:01 GMT -5
Why do you keep pushing a non-athletic kid to play football? Seriously, it's just annoying. Like getting concussions repeatedly is going to help him... His Dad was a phy-ed teacher. He can't help it. LOL. Think of the prototypical 1960 phys ed teacher and then think of the exact opposite of that. That was my dad. My dad would have the kid playing quidditch or something.
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Post by ArchietheDragon on Sept 15, 2015 15:57:24 GMT -5
Why do you keep pushing a non-athletic kid to play football? Seriously, it's just annoying. Like getting concussions repeatedly is going to help him...
It's also a great way to turn someone off exercise forever. To this day I loath team sports thanks to weekly abuse/harassment in PE class for 12 years. Don't worry, DramaQ. High school football teams are very caring, nurturing places where the kids are kind and would never dream of teasing, abusing or harassing the brainy, clumsy, shy kid. I'm sure football is exactly the right place for a kid who can't do a summersault, who doesn't interact well with peers and who hates physical activity. Exactly. time to learn some life skills.
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Post by ArchietheDragon on Sept 15, 2015 15:58:07 GMT -5
MPL,
Seriously, don't listen to these soccer moms. The kid needs some football in his life.
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Post by Deleted on Sept 15, 2015 15:58:39 GMT -5
He wants a FitBit. I think I'll get him one.
If this kid had his way he would sit in a chair or on the couch all day playing video games. I DO NOT let him do that, but it's hard. He is signed up for every activity the scouts do and it's a pretty active troop, so basically every weekend during the year he's doing something with them. This summer he's helped build a patio for a church, put in drain tile in a baseball field and replaced the steps up the side of one of the bluffs. He goes to campouts every month and is going to be the Den Chief for the upcoming group of Cub Scouts, so twice as many meetings. He goes on ski trips and canoe trips and next weekend is picking grapes all day for a winery. But, sports. Ugh. Just. Doesn't. Like. The swimming is the best I've been able to pull off.
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Post by NancysSummerSip on Sept 15, 2015 16:02:06 GMT -5
ArchietheDragon my son's soccer coach has them spending half the practice running and doing conditioning exercises - it showed the first game last weekend when they ran the whole game with only a couple kids getting tired. Doesn't have to be football to get him some exercise, simple walking would be a great start. With that said, I am now heading downstairs to the treadmill in the office that I have been ignoring for far too long.
Maybe create a virtual walking tour of the US that you work as a family all year. Start from your home and figure out how many miles it would be to walk to someplace he really wants to go. Then as you walk around daily, log the miles as progress toward your goal destination. Perhaps when you "arrive" at your destination you can do a special activity as a treat (weather dependent of course).
The kid needs to exercise. He is not going to exercise on his own. MPL does not have the time or energy to force the kid to exercise. MPL does have the ability to sign the kid up for a sport and make sure he is there. The coach can do the rest. Soccer is good for conditioning, but historically, the football coach is the one that makes sure the kids are practicing hard and won't take any excuses. Is the kid going to like it? Hell no. He is going to hate every minute and complain and try to get out of it. But he will be thankful when he is older. No, he won't. And MPL is wasting her money and his time. No coach will physically force a kid to participate. It just does not work that way, at least not in these lawsuit-happy days. All her son would have to claim is that the coach laid a hand on him, and that coach will never work again - and that would be the least of that coach's problems. Oh, and MPL's son will have found his way off the team. Exercise is supposed to be a lifelong habit, comprised of something or several things you enjoy doing, that challenge you to move while making you better on several levels. Take it from someone who has actually been there. You torture a kid with sports they hate, you will reap exactly what you sow. MPL's son has shown some interest in some activity. Now you build on that. Not the biggest fan of swimming, but he does have the aptitude - fine, then another water-related sport. They live in snow country. There's skiing (cross-country, if downhill is not an option), ice hockey, skating. Heck, even building snow forts takes effort. You don't teach and help kids exercise through force, any more than you help them lose weight through negative feedback about their weight and eating habits. Her concern needs to be real and needs to be focused. It does not need to be applied with a sledgehammer. The kid is old enough and likely smart enough to sidestep those intentions. If he enjoyed this, can he be an assistant to a local plumber, carpenter or construction company owner? Obviously, he's too young at 13 to work regularly. But this is exercise and skill-building! Even a few hours on a weekend would be a good thing.
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Post by milee on Sept 15, 2015 16:03:12 GMT -5
Don't worry, DramaQ. High school football teams are very caring, nurturing places where the kids are kind and would never dream of teasing, abusing or harassing the brainy, clumsy, shy kid. I'm sure football is exactly the right place for a kid who can't do a summersault, who doesn't interact well with peers and who hates physical activity. Exactly. time to learn some life skills. OK, but we're going to remember your parenting philosophy on this one. When one of your daughters is 5'2" and 160 pounds, doesn't play well with other girls her age and is having digestive issues, we'll be sure to remind you repeatedly that you need to sign her up to be a cheerleader. Because that's where she'll learn those important life skills she's missing...
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Post by Deleted on Sept 15, 2015 16:03:31 GMT -5
Seriously? We go through like 6 things of it a day between the three of us. I thought that was a win. What kind of greek yogurt is it? If it's plain, then that's a great choice. The flavored greek yogurt - not so much. Too much added sugar. Usually this, but sometimes other brands. He will only eat Vanilla.
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Post by chen35 on Sept 15, 2015 16:04:05 GMT -5
He wants a FitBit. I think I'll get him one. If this kid had his way he would sit in a chair or on the couch all day playing video games. I DO NOT let him do that, but it's hard. He is signed up for every activity the scouts do and it's a pretty active troop, so basically every weekend during the year he's doing something with them. This summer he's helped build a patio for a church, put in drain tile in a baseball field and replaced the steps up the side of one of the bluffs. He goes to campouts every month and is going to be the Den Chief for the upcoming group of Cub Scouts, so twice as many meetings. He goes on ski trips and canoe trips and next weekend is picking grapes all day for a winery. But, sports. Ugh. Just. Doesn't. Like. The swimming is the best I've been able to pull off. A fitbit is great! Maybe quantifying the # of steps he's taking will motivate him to take more.
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Post by ArchietheDragon on Sept 15, 2015 16:03:59 GMT -5
Exactly. time to learn some life skills. OK, but we're going to remember your parenting philosophy on this one. When one of your daughters is 5'2" and 160 pounds, doesn't play well with other girls her age and having digestive issues, we'll be sure to remind you repeatedly that you need to sign her up to be a cheerleader. Because that's where she'll learn those important life skills she's missing... 27 times.
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Post by ArchietheDragon on Sept 15, 2015 16:04:59 GMT -5
The kid needs to exercise. He is not going to exercise on his own. MPL does not have the time or energy to force the kid to exercise. MPL does have the ability to sign the kid up for a sport and make sure he is there. The coach can do the rest. Soccer is good for conditioning, but historically, the football coach is the one that makes sure the kids are practicing hard and won't take any excuses. Is the kid going to like it? Hell no. He is going to hate every minute and complain and try to get out of it. But he will be thankful when he is older. No, he won't. And MPL is wasting her money and his time. No coach will physically force a kid to participate. It just does not work that way, at least not in these lawsuit-happy days. All her son would have to claim is that the coach laid a hand on him, and that coach will never work again - and that would be the least of that coach's problems. Oh, and MPL's son will have found his way off the team. Exercise is supposed to be a lifelong habit, comprised of something or several things you enjoy doing, that challenge you to move while making you better on several levels. Take it from someone who has actually been there. You torture a kid with sports they hate, you will reap exactly what you sow. MPL's son has shown some interest in some activity. Now you build on that. Not the biggest fan of swimming, but he does have the aptitude - fine, then another water-related sport. They live in snow country. There's skiing (cross-country, if downhill is not an option), ice hockey, skating. Heck, even building snow forts takes effort. You don't teach and help kids exercise through force, any more than you help them lose weight through negative feedback about their weight and eating habits. Her concern needs to be real and needs to be focused. It does not need to be applied with a sledgehammer. The kid is old enough and likely smart enough to sidestep those intentions. he is in eighth grade..... It is not like he is 17. he doesn't get to call all the shots yet.
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Post by NomoreDramaQ1015 on Sept 15, 2015 16:09:35 GMT -5
This summer he's helped build a patio for a church, put in drain tile in a baseball field and replaced the steps up the side of one of the bluffs.
Can a 13 year old volunteer with Habitat for Humanity? It'd be great exercise and also helping the community which I understand Boy Scouts are big on.
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Post by milee on Sept 15, 2015 16:09:22 GMT -5
What kind of greek yogurt is it? If it's plain, then that's a great choice. The flavored greek yogurt - not so much. Too much added sugar. Usually this, but sometimes other brands. He will only eat Vanilla. Not horrible, but not the healthiest choice. This has both added sugar (fructose) and artificial sweetener (sucralose = "Splenda"). I wouldn't let my kids eat Splenda or other artificial sweeteners - too many unknowns.
Even for a teen not trying to lose weight, the recommended amount of added sugar is 20-32 grams a day. If this has 7 and he eats 2 of them, that's 14 of his recommended 20-32 grams. Not fatal, but worth keeping an eye on.
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Post by Deleted on Sept 15, 2015 16:09:43 GMT -5
Electronics are a huge issue. I took everything away on Sunday because he pissed me off. I was asking him to do his homework and I kept getting the "in a minute" while he played on his iphone. Then when he did it the job was lousy and he tried pulling the quality of words is better than quantity thing even though the quality was crap too. He basically slapped a few sentences down for what was supposed to be a 100 word answer and called it good. I told him to redo it, and he said he had stuff he had to do that Caleb asked him to do (on a game), so goodbye phone, goodbye Chromebook and his Dad locked him out of the computer at his house too. I told him it was until today, but he gave me lip yesterday and now it's until at least tomorrow. He has an addiction problem with electronics. He just called me from school and said he had all his work done and was going to do some extra and could he PLEASE get his phone back today because he needed it to find Mars.
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Post by NancysSummerSip on Sept 15, 2015 16:15:29 GMT -5
No, he won't. And MPL is wasting her money and his time. No coach will physically force a kid to participate. It just does not work that way, at least not in these lawsuit-happy days. All her son would have to claim is that the coach laid a hand on him, and that coach will never work again - and that would be the least of that coach's problems. Oh, and MPL's son will have found his way off the team. Exercise is supposed to be a lifelong habit, comprised of something or several things you enjoy doing, that challenge you to move while making you better on several levels. Take it from someone who has actually been there. You torture a kid with sports they hate, you will reap exactly what you sow. MPL's son has shown some interest in some activity. Now you build on that. Not the biggest fan of swimming, but he does have the aptitude - fine, then another water-related sport. They live in snow country. There's skiing (cross-country, if downhill is not an option), ice hockey, skating. Heck, even building snow forts takes effort. You don't teach and help kids exercise through force, any more than you help them lose weight through negative feedback about their weight and eating habits. Her concern needs to be real and needs to be focused. It does not need to be applied with a sledgehammer. The kid is old enough and likely smart enough to sidestep those intentions. he is in eighth grade..... It is not like he is 17. he doesn't get to call all the shots yet. Archie, for a guy with three kids, you seem to be somewhat dense as to the capacity of teenagers. No, he does not get to call all the shots. That is missing the point. He will not have to "call" them. He will find a way around what he will not do. No coach will forcibly pick the kid up off the bench and force him to play, assuming he could even find the kid. The kid will find plenty of ways to disappear and never be seen anywhere near that field. Did you not read MPL's post about him and his bike and how he is supposed to ride it? She's not even sure he's doing that. There's no way to monitor the kid 24/7, because kids that age can outthink you. A far more humane and long-lasting solution is to get the boy into doing what he wants to do, what is within his current capacity and building on it. He will find his own athletic way and could turn out to be a nonstop athlete, for all anyone knows. But brute force will not make him one.
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Post by ArchietheDragon on Sept 15, 2015 16:17:11 GMT -5
he is in eighth grade..... It is not like he is 17. he doesn't get to call all the shots yet. Archie, for a guy with three kids, you seem to be somewhat dense as to the capacity of teenagers. No, he does not get to call all the shots. That is missing the point. He will not have to "call" them. He will find a way around what he will not do. No coach will forcibly pick the kid up off the bench and force him to play, assuming he could even find the kid. The kid will find plenty of ways to disappear and never be seen anywhere near that field. Did you not read MPL's post about him and his bike and how he is supposed to ride it? She's not even sure he's doing that. There's no way to monitor the kid 24/7, because kids that age can outthink you. A far more humane and long-lasting solution is to get the boy into doing what he wants to do, what is within his current capacity and building on it. He will find his own athletic way and could turn out to be a nonstop athlete, for all anyone knows. But brute force will not make him one. He needs help and discipline to exercise.
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Post by NancysSummerSip on Sept 15, 2015 16:19:11 GMT -5
Archie, for a guy with three kids, you seem to be somewhat dense as to the capacity of teenagers. No, he does not get to call all the shots. That is missing the point. He will not have to "call" them. He will find a way around what he will not do. No coach will forcibly pick the kid up off the bench and force him to play, assuming he could even find the kid. The kid will find plenty of ways to disappear and never be seen anywhere near that field. Did you not read MPL's post about him and his bike and how he is supposed to ride it? She's not even sure he's doing that. There's no way to monitor the kid 24/7, because kids that age can outthink you. A far more humane and long-lasting solution is to get the boy into doing what he wants to do, what is within his current capacity and building on it. He will find his own athletic way and could turn out to be a nonstop athlete, for all anyone knows. But brute force will not make him one. He needs help and discipline to exercise. And you are clearly not reading, either. I never suggested he didn't. On the contrary, I encouraged MPL to be with him and compliment his efforts, by letting him know what he was doing was helping him, and by getting out there with him. And I also mentioned that the exercise, while it can and should vary in type and intensity, has to be regular in order to be of any value.
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Post by t-dog on Sept 15, 2015 16:28:06 GMT -5
For my sons purposes (steps and calories burned) the Nike fuelband was totally sufficient and cheaper than the fit bit.
I was trying to get my kid to realize that if you burned 700 calories according to the band then you need to eat 2100 calories to gain weight. I know, opposite issue, but still a food related issue with a teenager that doesn't want to listen to mom. He was faithful with the thing for close to a year and then it broke and in the 4 weeks it took Nike to diagnose and replace it he lost interest in it.
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Post by HoneyBBQ on Sept 15, 2015 16:27:39 GMT -5
Even yogurt is pretty bad. I have to force myself to eat plain greek and add my own fruit. Seriously? We go through like 6 things of it a day between the three of us. I thought that was a win. It's very high in sugar, usually. I try to buy greek to get the extra protein. I also don't like the artificial stuff (dyes, etc) in them.
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Post by HoneyBBQ on Sept 15, 2015 16:29:51 GMT -5
He wants a FitBit. I think I'll get him one. If this kid had his way he would sit in a chair or on the couch all day playing video games. I DO NOT let him do that, but it's hard. He is signed up for every activity the scouts do and it's a pretty active troop, so basically every weekend during the year he's doing something with them. This summer he's helped build a patio for a church, put in drain tile in a baseball field and replaced the steps up the side of one of the bluffs. He goes to campouts every month and is going to be the Den Chief for the upcoming group of Cub Scouts, so twice as many meetings. He goes on ski trips and canoe trips and next weekend is picking grapes all day for a winery. But, sports. Ugh. Just. Doesn't. Like. The swimming is the best I've been able to pull off. Sounds like he loves the outdoors. Time to plan some hikes and maybe some backpacking trips.
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