I was right: President Elect Trump

[sesfw]

Without the electoral college the Executive Office would be elected by coastal states ........ and the whole middle states would be immaterial.

The population of the coastal states needs to move inland if they want to change the demographics.  

But then they might have to work for a living.  Never happen

[Tennesseer]

Nov 10, 2016 9:58:46 GMT -5 sesfw said:

Without the electoral college the Executive Office would be elected by coastal states ........ and the whole middle states would be immaterial.

The population of the coastal states needs to move inland if they want to change the demographics.  

But then they might have to work for a living.  Never happen

Trumps wants it both ways. See reply #38. Anti Trump protests

[tallguy]

The funny thing is that all four of those tweets are right on.  Four years early, but right on.    

[rob base]

Nov 9, 2016 23:27:00 GMT -5 Opti said:

Nov 9, 2016 3:33:00 GMT -5 AgeOfEnlightenmentSCP said:

This is what I knew we were capable of if we fought like hell.

Congrats on a correct prediction. I wish the "we" that fought like hell did not include Julian Assange, WikiLeaks, and Russian hackers.

Although u may not like the methods, u should want a he truth about ur candidate. While I wasn't happy about the content of Trump tape or the tax return info on trump, I was glad to have truthful info. Were u as upset someone illegally leaked his taxes? And for the record I am not upset that the tax release showed he paid no taxes. As long as he followed the law I am fine with that. What I am disappointed at is he has claims of paying "tremendous" taxes but nothing to back it up. Also it is a stretch to call Trump "my candidate", but if the binary choice available he was best choice IMO

[dondub]

No one on either coast actually has a job. It's really sad out here in Seattle in particular.

[toshmanta]

In 20 years we will all have to move to China or India to get a job, the end is nigh, now watch this drive !!

[sesfw]

No one on either coast actually has a job. It's really sad out here in Seattle in particular.


Which is why they have the time to protest

[billisonboard]

Nov 10, 2016 18:55:10 GMT -5 sesfw said:

No one on either coast actually has a job. It's really sad out here in Seattle in particular.


Which is why they have the time to protest

Which is why it is great that they block highways since the only people driving on them are headed to pick up their welfare checks.

[tallguy]

Nov 10, 2016 10:37:42 GMT -5 rob base said:

Nov 9, 2016 23:27:00 GMT -5 Opti said:

Congrats on a correct prediction. I wish the "we" that fought like hell did not include Julian Assange, WikiLeaks, and Russian hackers.

Although u may not like the methods, u should want a he truth about ur candidate. While I wasn't happy about the content of Trump tape or the tax return info on trump, I was glad to have truthful info. Were u as upset someone illegally leaked his taxes? And for the record I am not upset that the tax release showed he paid no taxes. As long as he followed the law I am fine with that. What I am disappointed at is he has claims of paying "tremendous" taxes but nothing to back it up. Also it is a stretch to call Trump "my candidate", but if the binary choice available he was best choice IMO

I would be upset first about the fact that the tax code may have allowed him to deduct other people's losses as his own, no matter how they were converted.  The lying and the hypocrisy about him saying he paid tremendous taxes  (as you stated) does not speak well of him.  The topper to all of that, though, is that if there is one absolutely sure bet coming in Washington now, it is that whatever tax plan Trump comes up with will ensure MORE loopholes to allow him (and those like him) to get away with even more.  And no, the leaking of his returns did not bother me.  They should have been released as every other candidate has done for decades, but more importantly to the discussion, everybody knew he was lying both about the returns and the reason he wasn't going to release them. 

[dondub]

No one on either coast actually has a job. It's really sad out here in Seattle in particular.


Which is why they have the time to protest

Your slam is missing the mark just a tidbit. Both Portland and Seattle have UE rates under 4.5% and are two cities with exceedingly vibrant economies full of hardworking Americans.

[swamp]

Wall Street will be happy to hear it's not in the coast. 

[Deleted]

Paul, I hope you bet a nice sum in Vegas calling this one.

[sesfw]

No one on either coast actually has a job. It's really sad out here in Seattle in particular.

Which is why they have the time to protest

Your slam is missing the mark just a tidbit. Both Portland and Seattle have UE rates under 4.5% and are two cities with exceedingly vibrant economies full of hardworking Americans.


Then why did you make the original comment?  See post #5493

[AgeOfEnlightenmentSCP]

Nov 10, 2016 2:14:16 GMT -5 weltschmerz said:

Nov 9, 2016 3:35:38 GMT -5 AgeOfEnlightenmentSCP said:

This is what I knew we were capable of if we fought like hell.

BLOWOUT

Electoral College

Popular Vote

Total realignment of the map.

Hilary won the Popular Vote.

Oh, we're going by that now. I guess Bill Clinton- 43% and 49% respectively - should not have been President?    

Now, you can look at it like it was close- razor thin. And that is technically true. However, that's not the way to look at it. Yes, Trump won Michigan by fewer than 15,000 votes, but he 463,000 Michiganders either did not show up for Hillary OR flipped. Obama won Michigan by 9.5%. Trump won by 1%. That's a 10.5% swing in 4 years-- and that's a best case scenario is that there'll be no continued movement.

[AgeOfEnlightenmentSCP]

Nov 10, 2016 22:41:12 GMT -5 @aj said:

Paul, I hope you bet a nice sum in Vegas calling this one.

I won more than $5,000 on this race- all of which I've donated to charity.

[Tennesseer]

Nov 11, 2016 11:05:53 GMT -5 sesfw said:

No one on either coast actually has a job. It's really sad out here in Seattle in particular.

Which is why they have the time to protest

Your slam is missing the mark just a tidbit. Both Portland and Seattle have UE rates under 4.5% and are two cities with exceedingly vibrant economies full of hardworking Americans.


Then why did you make the original comment?  See post #5493

Because of reply #5489.

[tallguy]

Nov 11, 2016 11:05:53 GMT -5 sesfw said:

No one on either coast actually has a job. It's really sad out here in Seattle in particular.

Which is why they have the time to protest

Your slam is missing the mark just a tidbit. Both Portland and Seattle have UE rates under 4.5% and are two cities with exceedingly vibrant economies full of hardworking Americans.


Then why did you make the original comment?  See post #5493

It was obviously sarcasm, as Seattle is one of the fastest-growing cities in the country with a booming economy.  I guess that as a Trump supporter you may have difficulty discerning untruths?    

[AgeOfEnlightenmentSCP]

OK, here's a bit of honest analysis:

1. The true "Monster Vote" remains dormant. There was no 73 million or anything close to it.
2. The reality is that Trump didn't win. Hillary Lost. Had Democrats not only not nominated an actual criminal with a toxic personality, but someone who was on top of it is an entitled oligarch in a populist year- they likely would have defeated Trump.

That being said,

3. Flipping big blue states is a BIG deal especially when you consider that the GOP was competitive in big blue states they lost- The GOP won, or was competitive in NM, MN, WI, MI, PA, and VA. 
4. The Democratic Party is going to have to articulate an actual argument besides "RacistSexistBigotHomophobeIslamophobeXenophobe"
5. For all the talk of the GOP in ruins after this election, The Democratic Party went into this election in smoldering ruins and came out of it worse. The GOP is now in a position to affect the kind of structural and institutional change that will render even lop-sided Democrat electoral victories irrelevant:

I'm on the other side, but objectively (as I can be) I have been fascinated since the start of the primary by all of the focus on the "civil war" within the Republican Party.


Since the 2014 mid-term elections, it has been apparent that the Democratic Party has been decimated during the Obama years (if not "by" Obama).

• The Democratic Party has lost 33 governor's mansions, more than 900 state legislative seats.
  
  
• Going into this election, Democrats controlled the governorship, and both chambers in just seven states- the lowest number since the Civil War when there were 15 fewer states.
   After Tuesday, it is now just five.
  
• Democrats remain the minority in the US House by a wide margin, and in the Senate by a smaller margin.
  
• No matter what shenanigans one imagines, the Supreme Court will be moved decidedly to the right by President Trump. Democrats have lost the court for a generation- the biggest shakeup in Judicial Philosophy since the Warren Court.
• The moment of change was now. 2020 will be a different zeitgeist. Controlling only small, or deep blue states, and being out of power / leadership in Washignton leaves the Democratic presidential bench extremely weak. Barring a complete disaster-- or worse, an exceeding of expectations by Trump, a 2020 or even a 2024 comeback is unlikely. I know what you're thinking- you're as wrong as I was about 2012.
• 
  The end result of this? Republicans are in a position not simply to change policy for an election cycle or two, but to implement structural changes to cement their power and policies the way that Democrats did for the last 70 to 80 years since FDR. 

My suggestion to the America-hating, flag burning, anthem kneelers on the left, public defecation, hate-filled, violent anti-Trump bigots is this: Assimilate. This is America's America again. We took our country back, and from the looks of it- we're keeping it. 

[Opti]

Since the 2014 mid-term elections, it has been apparent that the Democratic Party has been decimated during the Obama years (if not "by" Obama).

•The Democratic Party has lost 33 governor's mansions, more than 900 state legislative seats.


•Going into this election, Democrats controlled the governorship, and both chambers in just seven states- the lowest number since the Civil War when there were 15 fewer states.
After Tuesday, it is now just five.

The population on a whole craves balance. The anger at Obama translated into less Democrats being elected. Things will start to reverse in 2018. Voters gave us a Republican Senate and Congress mainly because they assumed Trump would not win. Now that they have been proven wrong, it will reverse.

It all ebbs and flows. Since the hatred against Trump is greater than Obama, at least per the protests, there should be more movement at state and local levels.

[Opti]

Nov 11, 2016 11:10:33 GMT -5 AgeOfEnlightenmentSCP said:

Nov 10, 2016 2:14:16 GMT -5 weltschmerz said:

Hilary won the Popular Vote.

Oh, we're going by that now. I guess Bill Clinton- 43% and 49% respectively - should not have been President?    

Now, you can look at it like it was close- razor thin. And that is technically true. However, that's not the way to look at it. Yes, Trump won Michigan by fewer than 15,000 votes, but he 463,000 Michiganders either did not show up for Hillary OR flipped. Obama won Michigan by 9.5%. Trump won by 1%. That's a 10.5% swing in 4 years-- and that's a best case scenario is that there'll be no continued movement.

Most people vote for individuals for President not parties. Obama did much worse in 2012 because of the disappointment in how he did in his first term. I expect Trump's first term to be a disaster to most of America.

He will lose his edge, if indeed that edge was legit.

[tallguy]

Nov 11, 2016 11:34:37 GMT -5 AgeOfEnlightenmentSCP said:

OK, here's a bit of honest analysis:

Nice of you to acknowledge that everything up until now hasn't been.  Really, we appreciate it.  

Much of your post is still nonsense, of course.  

[Opti]

Third party voting increased dramatically in several states Trump won.

ymam.proboards.com/thread/46277/right-president-elect-trump?page=184&scrollTo=2569951

In the end, a trio of formerly blue states were most critical to Trump: Wisconsin, Michigan, and Pennsylvania. The combined margin for Trump in those three states, which gave him the electoral college?

Only about 112,158 votes. (As of November 11, the race in Michigan was so close the Associated Press still hasn’t called the race.

Wisconsin turnout was at a 20-year low for the 2016 presidential election, election officials told Fox 6 Milwaukee, with 66% of voters showing up. Three thousand people voted in the U.S. Senate race but skipped the presidential, said the television station. Statewide turnout was about 70% for the previous two presidential elections, said the TV station.

The 2016 general election was the first presidential election where Wisconsin voters had to present a Voter ID.

Here’s how the numbers broke down:

2016
Donald Trump 1,409,467
Hillary Clinton 1,382,210
Gary Johnson 106,442
Jill Stein 30,980
Darrell Castle (Constitution) 12,179
Monica Moorehead (Workers’ World) 1,781
Rocky de La Fuente (Independent) 1,561
Total: 2,944,620
Total two party: 2,719,677
Total third party: 205,204 (about 7%)

In contrast, in 2012:
Barack Obama: 1,613,950
Mitt Romney: 1,408,746
Gary Johnson: 20,279
Jill Stein: 7,601
Virgil Goode: 4,908
J. White: 601
G. La Riva: 528
Total: 3,056,613
Total two party: 3,022,696
Total third party: 33,917 (about 1%)

[AgeOfEnlightenmentSCP]

[Opti]

What really won Trump the election, Republican backed voter ID laws that went into effect for a Presidential election for the first time in 14 states.

www.thenation.com/article/the-gops-attack-on-voting-rights-was-the-most-under-covered-story-of-2016/

Monster vote no.

Widespread voter suppression yes.

At least a monster vote would have been the actual will of the voters.

[AgeOfEnlightenmentSCP]

Nov 11, 2016 11:44:30 GMT -5 Opti said:

Since the 2014 mid-term elections, it has been apparent that the Democratic Party has been decimated during the Obama years (if not "by" Obama).

•The Democratic Party has lost 33 governor's mansions, more than 900 state legislative seats.


•Going into this election, Democrats controlled the governorship, and both chambers in just seven states- the lowest number since the Civil War when there were 15 fewer states.
After Tuesday, it is now just five.

The population on a whole craves balance. The anger at Obama translated into less Democrats being elected. Things will start to reverse in 2018. Voters gave us a Republican Senate and Congress mainly because they assumed Trump would not win. Now that they have been proven wrong, it will reverse.

It all ebbs and flows. Since the hatred against Trump is greater than Obama, at least per the protests, there should be more movement at state and local levels.

You are likely on to something about balance.

You're definitely correct that the anger and hate is orders of magnitude greater on the left, and we are seeing just how Obama has mainstreamed extremist leftist childish behavior. The unhinged left could actually be doing further damage to the Democratic party. My observation is that the left has a narrowing window of time to reign it in, or seeing the left's true colors may dampen the enthusiasm for a Democratic party comeback.

Democrats are going to continue to struggle at the state and local level for a very long time.

Trump has been clear about reversing the decades long Democratic disaster in the inner cities. This was not an ordinary election, and you're not up against an ordinary president. Republicans didn't win. Trump won. The playbook vs the Republican president is NOT going to work.

[Opti]

Trump has been clear about reversing the decades long Democratic disaster in the inner cities. This was not an ordinary election, and you're not up against an ordinary president. Republicans didn't win. Trump won. The playbook vs the Republican president is NOT going to work.

Pay very close attention to these next two years. You hopefully will learn what I learned from the W to Obama transition. What the President can affect is much smaller than you'd expect. Congress, the Senate, and the Pentagon have all been existing without the President elect and have their own POVs. And for someone who usually is all about state's rights really how do you envision any President Trump or mythical super Prez to have any meaningful impact on cities at all?

If he wanted to make an inner city better, he should have become a mayor or a governor. The President can only shepherd federal law changes and redistribute some taxpayer wealth to inner cities for policing. Like Obama. Making stop and frisk legal won't make us safer.

[sesfw]

It was obviously sarcasm, as Seattle is one of the fastest-growing cities in the country with a booming economy. I guess that as a Trump supporter you may have difficulty discerning untruths?


I do not live in that area, never have

I can only go by what is posted here

[dondub]

  Does that mean you can't discern satire or sarcasm, even with one of these thrown in?

 You must have come up with your slam from somewhere that's not from here, as the entire west coast is near full employment. Where people don't seem to be working is in the red states!

[AgeOfEnlightenmentSCP]

Nov 11, 2016 13:25:57 GMT -5 Opti said:

What really won Trump the election, Republican backed voter ID laws that went into effect for a Presidential election for the first time in 14 states.

www.thenation.com/article/the-gops-attack-on-voting-rights-was-the-most-under-covered-story-of-2016/

Monster vote no.

Widespread voter suppression yes.

At least a monster vote would have been the actual will of the voters.

Hillary did suppress the vote. Kind of a natural result of letting her steal the nomination. Honestly- if you needed proof Hillary isn't qualified- who the hell has to cheat in a debate with Bernie Sanders?

[AgeOfEnlightenmentSCP]

Nov 11, 2016 14:08:32 GMT -5 Opti said:

Trump has been clear about reversing the decades long Democratic disaster in the inner cities. This was not an ordinary election, and you're not up against an ordinary president. Republicans didn't win. Trump won. The playbook vs the Republican president is NOT going to work.

Pay very close attention to these next two years. You hopefully will learn what I learned from the W to Obama transition. What the President can affect is much smaller than you'd expect. Congress, the Senate, and the Pentagon have all been existing without the President elect and have their own POVs. And for someone who usually is all about state's rights really how do you envision any President Trump or mythical super Prez to have any meaningful impact on cities at all?

If he wanted to make an inner city better, he should have become a mayor or a governor. The President can only shepherd federal law changes and redistribute some taxpayer wealth to inner cities for policing. Like Obama. Making stop and frisk legal won't make us safer.

I think Trump's effectiveness is going to stun the politicians in Washington. His energy and work ethic are beyond anyone in politics ability to comprehend. Obama, by contrast is a lazy little bitch who never had a job, let alone run a business, where his pay was remotely connected to his performance, productivity, or the success of the project.