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Post by NoNamePerson on Nov 10, 2016 9:42:25 GMT -5
And if Hillary won and Trump supporters protested the same way then the press and these message boards would be going crazy slamming them as well. That's the part I don't get. That people can be so oblivious to imagining the situation reversed and then thinking how they would react. Instead they want to automatically respond with my side is right. Or my side is not wrong. They respond first instinctively instead of first considering other viewpoints before forming an opinion. Scary If Trump supporters had wanted to peacefully organize and protest Hillary winning then that is their first amendment right to do so. If anyone becomes violent or starts vandalizing/looting then it's a different story.One of the things that makes America great is if we don't like our president elect we have the right to say so. We have the right to disagree publicly with our government. Personally I do think time would be better spent organizing and getting active for when he starts trying to roll out his policies. Start laying the groundwork for various movements so when the time comes the message is clear. But history has proven that they think looting and vandalizing is their first amendment right to do so!!!!! Free sneakers, electronics and TV's for all.
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Post by Tennesseer on Nov 10, 2016 9:44:20 GMT -5
The only difference between those who protested Trump's win last night and the people mentioned in the article below is the candidate won. But what if Trump had not won? Warnings of conspiracy stoke anger among Trump faithfulAnd if Trump doesn’t win, some are even openly talking about violent rebellion and assassination, as fantastical and unhinged as that may seem. “If she’s in office, I hope we can start a coup. She should be in prison or shot. That’s how I feel about it,” Dan Bowman, a 50-year-old contractor, said of Hillary Clinton, the Democratic nominee. “We’re going to have a revolution and take them out of office if that’s what it takes. There’s going to be a lot of bloodshed. But that’s what it’s going to take. . . . I would do whatever I can for my country.” He then placed a Trump mask on his face and posed for pictures. Warnings of conspiracy stoke anger among Trump faithful Not everyone who voted for Trump thought that way just like everyone who voted for Clinton thinks the way the protestors do. So a few whackadoodles making comments translates into wide-spread anarchy? You can't seriously believe that. I'm sure there were more than a few whackadoodles spouting hate when Obama was elected for no other reason than the fact that he was black...did you see any wide spread rioting from the conservatives? While nothing about race, there was a call to march on Washington to protest Obama's 2012 win. And from the horse's own mouth including the complaints about the electoral college (which he now relies on for his win while losing the popular vote). Here are a few of Trump's 2012 tweets after Obama won the election: Donald Trump's 2012 Election Tweetstorm Resurfaces as Popular and Electoral Vote Appear Divided
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Post by NomoreDramaQ1015 on Nov 10, 2016 9:51:25 GMT -5
If Trump supporters had wanted to peacefully organize and protest Hillary winning then that is their first amendment right to do so. If anyone becomes violent or starts vandalizing/looting then it's a different story.One of the things that makes America great is if we don't like our president elect we have the right to say so. We have the right to disagree publicly with our government. Personally I do think time would be better spent organizing and getting active for when he starts trying to roll out his policies. Start laying the groundwork for various movements so when the time comes the message is clear. But history has proven that they think looting and vandalizing is their first amendment right to do so!!!!! Free sneakers, electronics and TV's for all. Mob mentality is a scary thing. If you loot and vandalize and get caught you get arrested, that's fair. That doesn't mean I want to take away people's right to peacefully protest. If you want to march around Trump Tower with a picket sign that's your right. You try to set Trump Tower on fire then you deserve to get your butt thrown in jail.
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Post by buystoys on Nov 10, 2016 9:52:13 GMT -5
Protest? Yes.
Riot and vandalize? No.
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Post by NoNamePerson on Nov 10, 2016 10:02:35 GMT -5
But history has proven that they think looting and vandalizing is their first amendment right to do so!!!!! Free sneakers, electronics and TV's for all. Mob mentality is a scary thing. If you loot and vandalize and get caught you get arrested, that's fair. That doesn't mean I want to take away people's right to peacefully protest. If you want to march around Trump Tower with a picket sign that's your right. You try to set Trump Tower on fire then you deserve to get your butt thrown in jail. I totally agree with you.
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Post by sesfw on Nov 10, 2016 10:23:51 GMT -5
Mob mentality is a scary thing. If you loot and vandalize and get caught you get arrested, that's fair.
That doesn't mean I want to take away people's right to peacefully protest. If you want to march around Trump Tower with a picket sign that's your right.
You try to set Trump Tower on fire then you deserve to get your butt thrown in jail.
Why weren't these people at home, in bed, so they can get enough sleep to go to work the next day?
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Post by rob base on Nov 10, 2016 10:30:56 GMT -5
And if Hillary won and Trump supporters protested the same way then the press and these message boards would be going crazy slamming them as well. That's the part I don't get. That people can be so oblivious to imagining the situation reversed and then thinking how they would react. Instead they want to automatically respond with my side is right. Or my side is not wrong. They respond first instinctively instead of first considering other viewpoints before forming an opinion. Scary If Trump supporters had wanted to peacefully organize and protest Hillary winning then that is their first amendment right to do so. If anyone becomes violent or starts vandalizing/looting then it's a different story. One of the things that makes America great is if we don't like our president elect we have the right to say so. We have the right to disagree publicly with our government. Personally I do think time would be better spent organizing and getting active for when he starts trying to roll out his policies. Start laying the groundwork for various movements so when the time comes the message is clear. I agree with everything u wrote. What u fail to address is how the press would cover it if the situation was EXACTLY reversed. Also how this board would react. It's
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Post by Tennesseer on Nov 10, 2016 10:33:29 GMT -5
Mob mentality is a scary thing. If you loot and vandalize and get caught you get arrested, that's fair.
That doesn't mean I want to take away people's right to peacefully protest. If you want to march around Trump Tower with a picket sign that's your right.
You try to set Trump Tower on fire then you deserve to get your butt thrown in jail.
Why weren't these people at home, in bed, so they can get enough sleep to go to work the next day? Again. How do you know they are not at work today.
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Post by sesfw on Nov 10, 2016 10:50:58 GMT -5
Again. How do you know they are not at work today.
I don't .........
Are they at work and sharing all the physical damage they did the night before?
Are they proud of being in a brawl?
Wonder what their future will look like if they start bragging on social media?
Later on some future employers might look at that unfavorably ...... especially if there are several candidates for the job and a couple have kept their pages clean.
eta: Come on people, put on your adult panties and learn to deal with it. There are going to be a lot of things in life that won't go your way. Having a public melt-down is not a good way to handle disappointments.
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Post by toshmanta on Nov 10, 2016 11:20:11 GMT -5
I also haven't seen them protesting the result of the election, so much as the man, which I think is a distinction. ===========================================================================
Not sure i see any distinction, the man was the result of the election process?
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Post by Tennesseer on Nov 10, 2016 11:28:07 GMT -5
Again. How do you know they are not at work today.I don't ......... Are they at work and sharing all the physical damage they did the night before? Are they proud of being in a brawl? Wonder what their future will look like if they start bragging on social media? Later on some future employers might look at that unfavorably ...... especially if there are several candidates for the job and a couple have kept their pages clean. eta: Come on people, put on your adult panties and learn to deal with it. There are going to be a lot of things in life that won't go your way. Having a public melt-down is not a good way to handle disappointments. If you have no idea if they are at work or not, why do you continue to make such blanket statements?
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Post by Rukh O'Rorke on Nov 10, 2016 11:33:50 GMT -5
The only difference between those who protested Trump's win last night and the people mentioned in the article below is the candidate won. But what if Trump had not won? Warnings of conspiracy stoke anger among Trump faithfulAnd if Trump doesn’t win, some are even openly talking about violent rebellion and assassination, as fantastical and unhinged as that may seem. “If she’s in office, I hope we can start a coup. She should be in prison or shot. That’s how I feel about it,” Dan Bowman, a 50-year-old contractor, said of Hillary Clinton, the Democratic nominee. “We’re going to have a revolution and take them out of office if that’s what it takes. There’s going to be a lot of bloodshed. But that’s what it’s going to take. . . . I would do whatever I can for my country.” He then placed a Trump mask on his face and posed for pictures. Warnings of conspiracy stoke anger among Trump faithful Not everyone who voted for Trump thought that way just like everyone who voted for Clinton thinks the way the protestors do. So a few whackadoodles making comments translates into wide-spread anarchy? You can't seriously believe that. I'm sure there were more than a few whackadoodles spouting hate when Obama was elected for no other reason than the fact that he was black...did you see any wide spread rioting from the conservatives? has there been rioting? I didn't see any at the chicago protest, and haven't see any news info on riots.
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Post by grumpyhermit on Nov 10, 2016 11:39:22 GMT -5
I also haven't seen them protesting the result of the election, so much as the man, which I think is a distinction. =========================================================================== Not sure i see any distinction, the man was the result of the election process? When I say the man, I mean what he stands for and advocates. Not the election process itself. I know some are doing the "Not My President" thing; but I take that more as a statement of distancing (i.e. he doesn't represent my views, and I didn't vote for him). If they mean it in a way to suggest he wasn't rightfully elected, well then I disagree with that, because he was (unfortunately).
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Post by Rukh O'Rorke on Nov 10, 2016 11:53:51 GMT -5
Again. How do you know they are not at work today.I don't ......... Are they at work and sharing all the physical damage they did the night before? Are they proud of being in a brawl? Wonder what their future will look like if they start bragging on social media? Later on some future employers might look at that unfavorably ...... especially if there are several candidates for the job and a couple have kept their pages clean. eta: Come on people, put on your adult panties and learn to deal with it. There are going to be a lot of things in life that won't go your way. Having a public melt-down is not a good way to handle disappointments. It was important to me to be there at the protest because I wanted the world to know that many do not want trump as president. IMO - it is an embarrassment on the world stage to have this racist, sexist buffoon as our president. You wanted him? good on you. You go and own that, and you own that 4 years from now. I didn't, and I want the world to know that I didn't. It is my 1st amendment right to do so. It is my first amendment right to say it, it is my first amendment right to assemble for peaceful protest, and while those right exist I will exercise them whenever I so please. I am very gainfully employed, thanks for asking, and I slept just fine last night. One of the reason I went to the protest was because I felt hopeless, and now I am full of hope. I will put this out to you all for your consideration: The GOP has won an election, and lost a generation. Good luck with that.
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Post by toshmanta on Nov 10, 2016 11:58:04 GMT -5
You either accept the mandate of the democratic process or you don't,this includes what the opposition advocates and stands for, if half the country protested at losing an election then the country would be on a slippery slope to anarchy, in my opinion these protests set a dangerous precedent.
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Post by Rukh O'Rorke on Nov 10, 2016 12:05:53 GMT -5
You either accept the mandate of the democratic process or you don't,this includes what the opposition advocates and stands for, if half the country protested at losing an election then the country would be on a slippery slope to anarchy, in my opinion these protests set a dangerous precedent. I think the dangerous precedent is the idea that people should not express themselves. Peaceful assembly, free speech and press, is the cornerstone of democracy, not anarchy. read it up, constitutionalists! I've got rights, and I will use them! And I am just getting started. . Mid terms in 2 years, and squad goals are forming.
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Post by souldoubt on Nov 10, 2016 12:08:18 GMT -5
Last night about 15 miles from where I live protesters threw rocks/bottles at cops, looted and burned a few stores and waived Mexican flags. About 25 miles away people started blocking freeways by walking onto them. Keep in mind this is all in CA where Hillary crushed it and this going on in areas where I'm guessing she carried about 90% of the votes cast. I've got no problem with the right to protest but this is anything but.
Maybe my memory is hazy but I don't recall this happening in 2012.
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Post by grumpyhermit on Nov 10, 2016 12:11:38 GMT -5
Last night about 15 miles from where I live protesters threw rocks/bottles at cops, looted and burned a few stores and waived Mexican flags. About 25 miles away people started blocking freeways by walking onto them. Keep in mind this is all in CA where Hillary crushed it and this going on in areas where I'm guessing she carried about 90% of the votes cast. I've got no problem with the right to protest but this is anything but. Maybe my memory is hazy but I don't recall this happening in 2012. And if they cross the line from peaceful protest to rioting, they should be arrested. I don't think you will find anyone disputing that.
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Post by toshmanta on Nov 10, 2016 12:16:31 GMT -5
I think the dangerous precedent is the idea that people should not express themselves. Peaceful assembly, free speech and press, is the cornerstone of democracy, not anarchy.
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Somewhere in the COTUS accepting the democratic process must be mentioned, if one expressly rejects the democratic mandate then that is anarchy in anyone's language.
If DT supporters had done the same my argument would be the same, it is called a mature democracy.
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Post by Rukh O'Rorke on Nov 10, 2016 12:22:38 GMT -5
no violence is not the way to go, I definitely agree with that.
On the other hand, I can say that in chicago there were reports on some police officers that seemed to want it to get out of hand by antagonizing the crowd. I did not see that myself, but read about it.
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Post by toshmanta on Nov 10, 2016 12:26:22 GMT -5
Maybe the police were freely expressing themselves. ))
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Post by Apple on Nov 10, 2016 12:27:51 GMT -5
I don't care about peaceful protest, whatever you're into, go for it.
However, rioting and blocking the freeway (I-5, like in California and Oregon), is not part of that right. People are trying to get home, to and from hospitals, get to work, etc. You don't have the right to block them. You want to do that, get a permit and get a scheduled shut down so people can plan a different route. People who cause accidents that get the freeway shut down are usually assholes (although there are some unavoidable true accidents). Protesters who shut down the freeways are assholes too (no exception for this one).
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Post by billisonboard on Nov 10, 2016 12:31:37 GMT -5
I think the dangerous precedent is the idea that people should not express themselves. Peaceful assembly, free speech and press, is the cornerstone of democracy, not anarchy. ================================================================================== Somewhere in the COTUS accepting the democratic process must be mentioned, ... Nope. America's Founding Documents
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Post by souldoubt on Nov 10, 2016 12:34:06 GMT -5
Last night about 15 miles from where I live protesters threw rocks/bottles at cops, looted and burned a few stores and waived Mexican flags. About 25 miles away people started blocking freeways by walking onto them. Keep in mind this is all in CA where Hillary crushed it and this going on in areas where I'm guessing she carried about 90% of the votes cast. I've got no problem with the right to protest but this is anything but. Maybe my memory is hazy but I don't recall this happening in 2012. And if they cross the line from peaceful protest to rioting, they should be arrested. I don't think you will find anyone disputing that. Which wasn't the point of my post. Some of these people who are worried about family members getting deported, who loot and riot locally owned businesses, block traffic risking innocent lives and have no problem assaulting police officers when they don't get their way are one reason why Trump got elected.
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Post by billisonboard on Nov 10, 2016 12:41:55 GMT -5
no violence is not the way to go, I definitely agree with that. On the other hand, I can say that in chicago there were reports on some police officers that seemed to want it to get out of hand by antagonizing the crowd. I did not see that myself, but read about it. Maybe the police were freely expressing themselves. )) They do have a history of doing that in Chicago. Rights in Conflict:
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Post by Rukh O'Rorke on Nov 10, 2016 12:59:09 GMT -5
no violence is not the way to go, I definitely agree with that. On the other hand, I can say that in chicago there were reports on some police officers that seemed to want it to get out of hand by antagonizing the crowd. I did not see that myself, but read about it. Maybe the police were freely expressing themselves. )) They do have a history of doing that in Chicago. Rights in Conflict:Police on the job should be protecting public safety, as they are in the process of collecting their paychecks. They should not be trying to antagonize a crowd, potentially risking public safety.
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Post by NoNamePerson on Nov 10, 2016 13:50:56 GMT -5
I don't care about peaceful protest, whatever you're into, go for it. However, rioting and blocking the freeway (I-5, like in California and Oregon), is not part of that right. People are trying to get home, to and from hospitals, get to work, etc. You don't have the right to block them. You want to do that, get a permit and get a scheduled shut down so people can plan a different route. People who cause accidents that get the freeway shut down are usually assholes (although there are some unavoidable true accidents). Protesters who shut down the freeways are assholes too (no exception for this one). WOW that's a step up from breaking into stores stealing TV, electronics, and sneakers. That is usually the norm. Higher class protesters maybe
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Post by Opti on Nov 10, 2016 14:47:04 GMT -5
But if it was reversed do you really see republican out there carrying on and rioting because trump didn't win? It's freaking crazy. And if Hillary won and Trump supporters protested the same way then the press and these message boards would be going crazy slamming them as well. That's the part I don't get. That people can be so oblivious to imagining the situation reversed and then thinking how they would react. Instead they want to automatically respond with my side is right. Or my side is not wrong. They respond first instinctively instead of first considering other viewpoints before forming an opinion. Scary If Hillary had won I expected Trump supporters to protest. I would expect riots as well. I'd expect them to be worse actually.
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Post by billisonboard on Nov 10, 2016 15:15:43 GMT -5
It is acting in accordance with principles found in this country's Declaration of Independence.
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