I was right: President Elect Trump

[djAdvocate]

Oct 24, 2016 11:55:04 GMT -5 tallguy said:

i tend to guess conservatively so as to not be wildly wrong if i am wrong at all.

That's not NEARLY as entertaining as those who don't do so....  

i know.  i am kinda boring in that way.  it preserves me against abject humiliation. 

[tallguy]

Would that others felt the same compunction.

[djAdvocate]

Oct 24, 2016 12:06:34 GMT -5 tallguy said:

Would that others felt the same compunction.

tg- speaking of whom.....

i think you might want to read this.  i am actually starting to think (based on early polling data) it is CORRECT:

fivethirtyeight.com/features/election-update-trump-may-depress-republican-turnout-spelling-disaster-for-the-gop/?ex_cid=2016-forecast

if he is right, it is going to light the right on fire: not only is the White Wave not going to happen, but they might just stay home because, deep in their heart, they know that their candidate is deplorable, and that the system is rigged against them (as it should be.  we should never allow a neofascist to get elected in this country).

[tallguy]

I am not overly optimistic that Republican voters will stay home to any great degree, but I do think that prospect is much more likely than any so-called "monster vote" coming to save Trump's hide.  The protest-vote-at-the-top-of-the-ticket seems likely, but there is more at stake ideologically with control of Congress and nominations to the Supreme Court.  I see Clinton's electoral vote margin ending up similar to Obama's in 2012, and Democratic control of the Senate.  The House will be closer but still in the hands of the GOP.  And that is probably good enough.  I never like seeing either side with control of all three parts.  2016 is important to me first to keep Trump out, but also to allow liberal-to-moderate Supreme Court justices to be confirmed.

And the only "monster vote" I see are those who will be voting for the monster.    

[dondub]

Good one!

[tallguy]

Oct 24, 2016 13:12:12 GMT -5 dondub said:

Good one!

Yeah, except BOTH sides will claim it!  

[djAdvocate]

Oct 24, 2016 13:06:08 GMT -5 tallguy said:

I am not overly optimistic that Republican voters will stay home to any great degree

me neither.  but wouldn't it be ironic?

[tallguy]

Somebody's head might explode.  Of course, it would probably help if it got all of that kind of stuff out all at once.  One's own "big bang" so to speak!  

[djAdvocate]

Oct 24, 2016 13:06:08 GMT -5 tallguy said:

I am not overly optimistic that Republican voters will stay home to any great degree, but I do think that prospect is much more likely than any so-called "monster vote" coming to save Trump's hide.  The protest-vote-at-the-top-of-the-ticket seems likely, but there is more at stake ideologically with control of Congress and nominations to the Supreme Court.  I see Clinton's electoral vote margin ending up similar to Obama's in 2012, and Democratic control of the Senate.  The House will be closer but still in the hands of the GOP.  And that is probably good enough.  I never like seeing either side with control of all three parts.  2016 is important to me first to keep Trump out, but also to allow liberal-to-moderate Supreme Court justices to be confirmed.

And the only "monster vote" I see are those who will be voting for the monster.    

tg: i think this assertion is the funniest one:

Trump’s rhetoric that the election is rigged could discourage turnout among his own voters.

that makes perfect sense, right?  if he sows nihilism, he will reap absenteeism. 

[Deleted]

Oct 24, 2016 12:22:52 GMT -5 djAdvocate said:

Oct 24, 2016 12:06:34 GMT -5 tallguy said:

Would that others felt the same compunction.

tg- speaking of whom.....

i think you might want to read this.  i am actually starting to think (based on early polling data) it is CORRECT:

fivethirtyeight.com/features/election-update-trump-may-depress-republican-turnout-spelling-disaster-for-the-gop/?ex_cid=2016-forecast

if he is right, it is going to light the right on fire: not only is the White Wave not going to happen, but they might just stay home because, deep in their heart, they know that their candidate is deplorable, and that the system is rigged against them (as it should be.  we should never allow a neofascist to get elected in this country).

While I agree with that wholeheartedly, we should ALSO never allow a criminal (Hillary, in case there was any doubt) to be elected in this country.

[Deleted]

Oct 24, 2016 13:16:47 GMT -5 tallguy said:

Oct 24, 2016 13:12:12 GMT -5 dondub said:

Good one!

Yeah, except BOTH sides will claim it!  

And sadly, both sides will be right!  

[djAdvocate]

Oct 24, 2016 22:46:55 GMT -5 @richardintn said:

Oct 24, 2016 12:22:52 GMT -5 djAdvocate said:

tg- speaking of whom.....

i think you might want to read this.  i am actually starting to think (based on early polling data) it is CORRECT:

fivethirtyeight.com/features/election-update-trump-may-depress-republican-turnout-spelling-disaster-for-the-gop/?ex_cid=2016-forecast

if he is right, it is going to light the right on fire: not only is the White Wave not going to happen, but they might just stay home because, deep in their heart, they know that their candidate is deplorable, and that the system is rigged against them (as it should be.  we should never allow a neofascist to get elected in this country).

While I agree with that wholeheartedly, we should ALSO never allow a criminal (Hillary, in case there was any doubt) to be elected in this country.

should?  i don't think you have much to worry about.  but there is no law prohibiting it:

www.quora.com/Can-a-convicted-felon-run-for-President

[weltschmerz]

Oct 24, 2016 22:46:55 GMT -5 @richardintn said:

Oct 24, 2016 12:22:52 GMT -5 djAdvocate said:

tg- speaking of whom.....

i think you might want to read this.  i am actually starting to think (based on early polling data) it is CORRECT:

fivethirtyeight.com/features/election-update-trump-may-depress-republican-turnout-spelling-disaster-for-the-gop/?ex_cid=2016-forecast

if he is right, it is going to light the right on fire: not only is the White Wave not going to happen, but they might just stay home because, deep in their heart, they know that their candidate is deplorable, and that the system is rigged against them (as it should be.  we should never allow a neofascist to get elected in this country).

While I agree with that wholeheartedly, we should ALSO never allow a criminal (Hillary, in case there was any doubt) to be elected in this country.

We should also never allow a child rapist (Trump, in case there was any doubt) to be elected in this country.

Oh, he hasn't been convicted yet, you say?
Neither has Hilary. What has Hillary be CONVIVTED of?

You're such a Trumpeter.

[Deleted]

Oct 24, 2016 22:50:36 GMT -5 djAdvocate said:

Oct 24, 2016 22:46:55 GMT -5 @richardintn said:

While I agree with that wholeheartedly, we should ALSO never allow a criminal (Hillary, in case there was any doubt) to be elected in this country.

should?  i don't think you have much to worry about.  but there is no law prohibiting it:

www.quora.com/Can-a-convicted-felon-run-for-President

Well, if you are using that criteria, there's no law against a neofascist either.

They are both just really, Really, REALLY bad ideas.

[djAdvocate]

Oct 25, 2016 1:07:51 GMT -5 @richardintn said:

Oct 24, 2016 22:50:36 GMT -5 djAdvocate said:

should?  i don't think you have much to worry about.  but there is no law prohibiting it:

www.quora.com/Can-a-convicted-felon-run-for-President

Well, if you are using that criteria, there's no law against a neofascist either.

They are both just really, Really, REALLY bad ideas.

i'm less worried about being lead by a felon than a fascist.  i have been worrying about it for a LONG time.  decades.  probably excessively.  that is probably why Trump really worries me in a way that Clinton never will.

[Deleted]

Oct 24, 2016 23:33:54 GMT -5 weltschmerz said:

Oct 24, 2016 22:46:55 GMT -5 @richardintn said:

While I agree with that wholeheartedly, we should ALSO never allow a criminal (Hillary, in case there was any doubt) to be elected in this country.

We should also never allow a child rapist (Trump, in case there was any doubt) to be elected in this country.

Oh, he hasn't been convicted yet, you say?
Neither has Hilary. What has Hillary be CONVIVTED of?

You're such a Trumpeter.

Provide proof.

I've seen the proof that Hillary is guilty of things I've accused her of being guilty of... so have the people that ignore her guilt.

And for probably the hundredth time, I'm not a trump supporter. How can I get that fact through to you?



I've seen proof of Trump being an arrogant egotistical racist misogynist asshole as well as a possible elections code violator (something that Hillary is also guilty of, by the way)... all of which makes him, as far as I'm concerned, unworthy of being President. So how the hell does that make me a "Trumpeter"?

But with the exception of election code violations, no one that I know of has ever provided proof of his illegal acts. If there's any out there please feel free to produce it.

[Rukh O'Rorke]

Oct 25, 2016 1:13:11 GMT -5 djAdvocate said:

Oct 25, 2016 1:07:51 GMT -5 @richardintn said:

Well, if you are using that criteria, there's no law against a neofascist either.

They are both just really, Really, REALLY bad ideas.

i'm less worried about being lead by a felon than a fascist.  i have been worrying about it for a LONG time.  decades.  probably excessively.  that is probably why Trump really worries me in a way that Clinton never will.

This is so true. 

The threats to the media alone should be disqualifying. 

[dondub]

And here I thought Richard's standard was "innocent until PROVEN guilty", you know, the American judicial standard.

[ken a.k.a OMK]

Can't lie both ways. 

What is Donald Trump talking about? Again?



The Republican presidential nominee on Tuesday said "all of my employees are having tremendous problems with Obamacare."



"Obamacare is just blowing up," Trump said.



The claim, during an event at his Doral resort in Florida, set off an instant firestorm on Twitter



People noted that Trump's claim suggests that either his workers don't get health-care coverage from his companies — or that he doesn't know what he's talking about when he blames Obamacare.



insert quote here

link

[Tennesseer]

Oct 25, 2016 12:14:34 GMT -5 ken a.k.a OMK said:

Can't lie both ways. 

What is Donald Trump talking about? Again?



The Republican presidential nominee on Tuesday said "all of my employees are having tremendous problems with Obamacare."



"Obamacare is just blowing up," Trump said.



The claim, during an event at his Doral resort in Florida, set off an instant firestorm on Twitter



People noted that Trump's claim suggests that either his workers don't get health-care coverage from his companies — or that he doesn't know what he's talking about when he blames Obamacare.



insert quote here

link

Ken-I think you meant to post a link from an article and not another link to this thread.

Trump trips up as he trashes Obamacare

[ken a.k.a OMK]

Thanks Tenn. 

[Tennesseer]

Oct 25, 2016 16:09:12 GMT -5 ken a.k.a OMK said:

Thanks Tenn. 

I like the article by the way.

[Deleted]

Oct 25, 2016 10:36:43 GMT -5 dondub said:

And here I thought Richard's standard was "innocent until PROVEN guilty", you know, the American judicial standard.

That is the standard. But not necessarily limited to "in a court of law". A witness to a crime has all the proof that they need.

A raped woman doesn't need the court to tell her the rapist is guilty.

A kidnapped kid doesn't need the court to tell them the kidnapper is guilty.

A bystander at a bank that just watched it get robbed, and saw the robber's face doesn't need the court to tell them the robber is guilty.

A person that watched Clinton LIE to Congress OR the FBI doesn't need to wait for the court to tell them what they saw her do.

[Deleted]

Oct 25, 2016 12:14:34 GMT -5 ken a.k.a OMK said:

Can't lie both ways. 

What is Donald Trump talking about? Again?



The Republican presidential nominee on Tuesday said "all of my employees are having tremendous problems with Obamacare."



"Obamacare is just blowing up," Trump said.



The claim, during an event at his Doral resort in Florida, set off an instant firestorm on Twitter



People noted that Trump's claim suggests that either his workers don't get health-care coverage from his companies — or that he doesn't know what he's talking about when he blames Obamacare.



insert quote here

link

In fairness to Donald (man I really didn't want to type that), Obamacare is causing problems for people that get insurance through their employers too.

[Tennesseer]

Oct 25, 2016 19:33:02 GMT -5 @richardintn said:

Oct 25, 2016 12:14:34 GMT -5 ken a.k.a OMK said:

Can't lie both ways. 


link

In fairness to Donald (man I really didn't want to type that), Obamacare is causing problems for people that get insurance through their employers too.

My monthly premiums for employer-provided healthcare were going up before Obama became a Illinois state senator.

[Deleted]

Oct 25, 2016 19:53:07 GMT -5 Tennesseer said:

Oct 25, 2016 19:33:02 GMT -5 @richardintn said:

In fairness to Donald (man I really didn't want to type that), Obamacare is causing problems for people that get insurance through their employers too.

My monthly premiums for employer-provided healthcare were going up before Obama became a Illinois state senator.

I didn't mention rate hikes. I said "problems".

I was thinking of paperwork nightmares and losses of benefits so the plans aren't classified as "Cadillac" ones that are taxed anymore.

[Tennesseer]

Oct 25, 2016 20:02:03 GMT -5 @richardintn said:

Oct 25, 2016 19:53:07 GMT -5 Tennesseer said:

My monthly premiums for employer-provided healthcare were going up before Obama became a Illinois state senator.

I didn't mention rate hikes. I said "problems".

I was thinking of paperwork nightmares and losses of benefits so the plans aren't classified as "Cadillac" ones that are taxed anymore.

The employee is always welcome to find other healthcare insurance if they are unhappy with what their employer offers them.

[Deleted]

Oct 25, 2016 20:04:55 GMT -5 Tennesseer said:

Oct 25, 2016 20:02:03 GMT -5 @richardintn said:

I didn't mention rate hikes. I said "problems".

I was thinking of paperwork nightmares and losses of benefits so the plans aren't classified as "Cadillac" ones that are taxed anymore.

The employee is always welcome to find other healthcare insurance if they are unhappy with what their employer offers them.

And then they wade into the rest of the Obamacare morass. So... how does that help them avoid it exactly?

[Tennesseer]

Oct 25, 2016 20:06:26 GMT -5 @richardintn said:

Oct 25, 2016 20:04:55 GMT -5 Tennesseer said:

The employee is always welcome to find other healthcare insurance if they are unhappy with what their employer offers them.

And then they wade into the rest of the Obamacare morass. So... how does that help them avoid it exactly?

They put up and shut up about the lesser hassle of employer-provided health insurance, what's offered, and to provide whatever paperwork is asked of them.

The choice is theirs to make.

[Deleted]

Oct 25, 2016 20:12:46 GMT -5 Tennesseer said:

Oct 25, 2016 20:06:26 GMT -5 @richardintn said:

And then they wade into the rest of the Obamacare morass. So... how does that help them avoid it exactly?

They put up and shut up about the lesser hassle of employer-provided health insurance, what's offered, and to provide whatever paperwork is asked of them.

The choice is theirs to make.

But the point wasn't that they should choose the lesser of the load of problems.

The point was that what Donald said about his employees having problems due to Obamacare doesn't mean that he's not providing insurance... nor is it necessarily true that he "doesn't know what he's talking about when he blames Obamacare".

That was the only point I was making about this: The tweet accusing him of either (or both) was likely hogwash.