I was right: President Elect Trump

[Tennesseer]

Aug 16, 2016 16:55:01 GMT -5 mmhmm said:

Damn them evil nummers! Skeery thangs, they be -  and they cheat, and they lie, and they plot! Whatever you do, stay away from nummers! 

They get together and inflate totals.

[weltschmerz]

Aug 16, 2016 16:56:48 GMT -5 Tennesseer said:

Aug 16, 2016 16:55:01 GMT -5 mmhmm said:

Damn them evil nummers! Skeery thangs, they be -  and they cheat, and they lie, and they plot! Whatever you do, stay away from nummers! 

They get together and inflate totals.

Nonsense! This is what really happened.

politicops.com/anne-graham-lotz-god-sabotaged-trumps-poll-numbers-like-us-pray/

[tallguy]

Aug 16, 2016 17:19:22 GMT -5 weltschmerz said:

Aug 16, 2016 16:56:48 GMT -5 Tennesseer said:

They get together and inflate totals.

Nonsense! This is what really happened.

politicops.com/anne-graham-lotz-god-sabotaged-trumps-poll-numbers-like-us-pray/

To borrow her own line (in the piece) in response:

Someone once said that only the universe and human stupidity are infinite

Thank you for proving it dear.  

[Shooby]

Aug 16, 2016 16:04:41 GMT -5 weltschmerz said:

Aug 16, 2016 15:55:39 GMT -5 Shooby said:

And Hillary doesnt even understand she cant collect and delete classified yoga e-mails.

When are you going to change your name to "Yeah, But Hillary...."?

No comment forthcoming about Trump being clueless on the Constitution?
Well, it's you, so no.

Well, since she is actually running for President it is quite spot on.  Versus, the "Bush did it" chorus of Obama voters.

[weltschmerz]

Aug 16, 2016 17:36:34 GMT -5 Shooby said:

Aug 16, 2016 16:04:41 GMT -5 weltschmerz said:

When are you going to change your name to "Yeah, But Hillary...."?

No comment forthcoming about Trump being clueless on the Constitution?
Well, it's you, so no.

Well, since she is actually running for President it is quite spot on.  Versus, the "Bush did it" chorus of Obama voters.

So, no comment about Trump's abysmal lack of knowledge about the US Constitution.
Did I call it, or what?
Nailed it!

[djAdvocate]

Aug 16, 2016 17:36:34 GMT -5 Shooby said:

Aug 16, 2016 16:04:41 GMT -5 weltschmerz said:

When are you going to change your name to "Yeah, But Hillary...."?

No comment forthcoming about Trump being clueless on the Constitution?
Well, it's you, so no.

Well, since she is actually running for President it is quite spot on.  Versus, the "Bush did it" chorus of Obama voters.

um...Obama isn't running either, Shoob. 

[Tennesseer]

Worthy of multiple investigations before November.

Trump Casinos’ Tax Debt Was $30 Million. Then Chris Christie Took Office.

By the time Chris Christie became governor of New Jersey, the state’s auditors and lawyers had been battling for several years to collect long-overdue taxes owed by the casinos founded by his friend Donald J. Trump.

The total, with interest, had grown to almost $30 million. The state had doggedly pursued the matter through two of the casinos’ bankruptcy cases and even accused the company led by Mr. Trump of filing false reports with state casino regulators about the amount of taxes it had paid.

But the year after Governor Christie, a Republican, took office, the tone of the litigation shifted. The state entertained settlement offers. And in December 2011, after six years in court, the state agreed to accept just $5 million, roughly 17 cents on the dollar of what auditors said the casinos owed.

The Times discovered the agreement during a review of the thousands of documents filed in the bankruptcies of Mr. Trump’s casinos. The taxes went unpaid from 2002 through 2006, during which time Mr. Trump was leading the company as chairman and, until 2005, as its chief executive. He reaped millions of dollars in fees and bonuses from the company, even as it underperformed competitors, lost money every year and saw its stock collapse.

Complete article here. Trump Casinos’ Tax Debt Was $30 Million. Then Chris Christie Took Office.

[dondub]

Hey shoobs,

Don't be so lackumenical. Bush DID do it.

[happyhoix]

Aug 16, 2016 20:06:37 GMT -5 Tennesseer said:

The taxes went unpaid from 2002 through 2006, during which time Mr. Trump was leading the company as chairman and, until 2005, as its chief executive. He reaped millions of dollars in fees and bonuses from the company, even as it underperformed competitors, lost money every year and saw its stock collapse.

Complete article here. Trump Casinos’ Tax Debt Was $30 Million. Then Chris Christie Took Office.

See, I don't get Trump's reputation as such a stellar businessman. He's actually fairly sucky at it.

It would be like me claiming to be 25 and a hot babe. Just because I say it doesn't make it so.

I'm a middle aged broad and Trump would have been better off financially if he'd stuck his daddy's money into a well managed stock portfolio and never gone into business at all. Yet still his supporters talk about how important it is to get such a successful businessman into the oval office.

[Opti]

Aug 17, 2016 10:50:34 GMT -5 happyhoix said:

Aug 16, 2016 20:06:37 GMT -5 Tennesseer said:

The taxes went unpaid from 2002 through 2006, during which time Mr. Trump was leading the company as chairman and, until 2005, as its chief executive. He reaped millions of dollars in fees and bonuses from the company, even as it underperformed competitors, lost money every year and saw its stock collapse.

Complete article here. Trump Casinos’ Tax Debt Was $30 Million. Then Chris Christie Took Office.

See, I don't get Trump's reputation as such a stellar businessman. He's actually fairly sucky at it.

It would be like me claiming to be 25 and a hot babe. Just because I say it doesn't make it so.

I'm a middle aged broad and Trump would have been better off financially if he'd stuck his daddy's money into a well managed stock portfolio and never gone into business at all. Yet still his supporters talk about how important it is to get such a successful businessman into the oval office.

Many things in that article caught my attention because I live in NJ. The below, from the posted URL, bothered me because it was a sign Trump does not care about the businesses but about tapping them out until the collapse.

The Trump casinos may not have been able to afford their long overdue taxes, but they did not turn suddenly spartan, either. They continued to rent a helicopter from Mr. Trump for $390,000 a year, until they filed for bankruptcy again in 2014.

[b2r]

So obviously your employer would be better off investing in the market, not creating jobs.

[Tennesseer]

Aug 17, 2016 11:02:33 GMT -5 b2r said:

So obviously your employer would be better off investing in the market, not creating jobs.

Unpaid bills equals unpaid employees.

Donald Trump’s Business Plan Left a Trail of Unpaid Bills
Hardball tactics from the presumptive Republican nominee’s real-estate career had some suppliers claiming he shortchanged them

Donald Trump often boasts on the presidential campaign trail that hardball tactics helped make him a successful businessman, an approach many voters say they admire. Those tactics have also left behind bitter tales among business owners who say he shortchanged them.

A review of court filings from jurisdictions in 33 states, along with interviews with business people, real-estate executives and others, shows a pattern over Mr. Trump’s 40-year career of his sometimes refusing to pay what some business owners said Trump companies owed them.

Donald Trump’s Business Plan Left a Trail of Unpaid Bills

[dondub]

Jobs are created by consumer demand for goods and services.

[djAdvocate]

Aug 17, 2016 10:50:34 GMT -5 happyhoix said:

Aug 16, 2016 20:06:37 GMT -5 Tennesseer said:

The taxes went unpaid from 2002 through 2006, during which time Mr. Trump was leading the company as chairman and, until 2005, as its chief executive. He reaped millions of dollars in fees and bonuses from the company, even as it underperformed competitors, lost money every year and saw its stock collapse.

Complete article here. Trump Casinos’ Tax Debt Was $30 Million. Then Chris Christie Took Office.

See, I don't get Trump's reputation as such a stellar businessman. He's actually fairly sucky at it.

It would be like me claiming to be 25 and a hot babe. Just because I say it doesn't make it so.

I'm a middle aged broad and Trump would have been better off financially if he'd stuck his daddy's money into a well managed stock portfolio and never gone into business at all. Yet still his supporters talk about how important it is to get such a successful businessman into the oval office.

if Shakespeare were alive today, he would have a field day with that prat.

[djAdvocate]

Aug 17, 2016 10:58:20 GMT -5 Opti said:

Aug 17, 2016 10:50:34 GMT -5 happyhoix said:

See, I don't get Trump's reputation as such a stellar businessman. He's actually fairly sucky at it.

It would be like me claiming to be 25 and a hot babe. Just because I say it doesn't make it so.

I'm a middle aged broad and Trump would have been better off financially if he'd stuck his daddy's money into a well managed stock portfolio and never gone into business at all. Yet still his supporters talk about how important it is to get such a successful businessman into the oval office.

Many things in that article caught my attention because I live in NJ. The below, from the posted URL, bothered me because it was a sign Trump does not care about the businesses but about tapping them out until the collapse.

The Trump casinos may not have been able to afford their long overdue taxes, but they did not turn suddenly spartan, either. They continued to rent a helicopter from Mr. Trump for $390,000 a year, until they filed for bankruptcy again in 2014.

on the contrary.  it is how he measures success: milking the cow until you can't get a drop from her.

[Wisconsin Beth]

AP reports on Manafort's Russian ties areally out.

My source is www.slate.com/blogs/the_slatest/2016/08/17/trump_campaign_chair_paul_manafort_s_pro_russia_work_is_probed_in_two_bombshell.html

[Tennesseer]

Aug 17, 2016 12:20:17 GMT -5 Wisconsin Beth said:

AP reports on Manafort's Russian ties areally out.

My source is www.slate.com/blogs/the_slatest/2016/08/17/trump_campaign_chair_paul_manafort_s_pro_russia_work_is_probed_in_two_bombshell.html

Time to start connecting the dots between Manafort/Trump and the hacked and leaked emails. Money talks.

[djAdvocate]

Aug 17, 2016 12:26:59 GMT -5 Tennesseer said:

Aug 17, 2016 12:20:17 GMT -5 Wisconsin Beth said:

AP reports on Manafort's Russian ties areally out.

My source is www.slate.com/blogs/the_slatest/2016/08/17/trump_campaign_chair_paul_manafort_s_pro_russia_work_is_probed_in_two_bombshell.html

Time to start connecting the dots between Manafort/Trump and the hacked and leaked emails. Money talks.

it might just be a coincidence.

it might not.

[happyhoix]

Aug 17, 2016 11:02:33 GMT -5 b2r said:

So obviously your employer would be better off investing in the market, not creating jobs.

My employer knows how to run a successful company that makes a good product people like to buy, enabling my employer to pay us well, pay our bills and vendors and pay our taxes while still making a nice profit (which he shares with his employees).  

Happy customers, happy employees, happy vendors = good business.

Customers, employees and vendors filing lawsuits to get back shorted invoices/wages/money spent on poor products (like Trump university) while the CEO has his own personal helicopter and to fly him around as he siphons off as much money as he can = sucky business because he's the only one getting a good deal.

It's clear which of those two business models Trump believes is 'successful' even though, as I stated originally, he would personally have been better off if he just put daddy's millions into a good investment account.

 

[b2r]

 Cash Flowed to Clinton Foundation Amid Russian Uranium Deal

The headline on the website Pravda trumpeted President Vladimir V. Putin’s latest coup, its nationalistic fervor recalling an era when its precursor served as the official mouthpiece of the Kremlin: “Russian Nuclear Energy Conquers the World.”



The article, in January 2013, detailed how the Russian atomic energy agency, Rosatom, had taken over a Canadian company with uranium-mining stakes stretching from Central Asia to the American West. The deal made Rosatom one of the world’s largest uranium producers and brought Mr. Putin closer to his goal of controlling much of the global uranium supply chain.



But the untold story behind that story is one that involves not just the Russian president, but also a former American president and a woman who would like to be the next one.


www.nytimes.com/2015/04/24/us/cash-flowed-to-clinton-foundation-as-russians-pressed-for-control-of-uranium-company.html?_r=0

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Undisclosed Donations



Before Mrs. Clinton could assume her post as secretary of state, the White House demanded that she sign a memorandum of understanding placing limits on the activities of her husband’s foundation. To avoid the perception of conflicts of interest, beyond the ban on foreign government donations, the foundation was required to publicly disclose all contributors.



To judge from those disclosures — which list the contributions in ranges rather than precise amounts — the only Uranium One official to give to the Clinton Foundation was Mr. Telfer, the chairman, and the amount was relatively small: no more than $250,000, and that was in 2007, before talk of a Rosatom deal began percolating.

But a review of tax records in Canada, where Mr. Telfer has a family charity called the Fernwood Foundation, shows that he donated millions of dollars more, during and after the critical time when the foreign investment committee was reviewing his deal with the Russians. With the Russians offering a special dividend, shareholders like Mr. Telfer stood to profit.



His donations through the Fernwood Foundation included $1 million reported in 2009, the year his company appealed to the American Embassy to help it keep its mines in Kazakhstan; $250,000 in 2010, the year the Russians sought majority control; as well as $600,000 in 2011 and $500,000 in 2012. Mr. Telfer said that his donations had nothing to do with his business dealings, and that he had never discussed Uranium One with Mr. or Mrs. Clinton. He said he had given the money because he wanted to support Mr. Giustra’s charitable endeavors with Mr. Clinton. “Frank and I have been friends and business partners for almost 20 years,” he said.



The Clinton campaign left it to the foundation to reply to questions about the Fernwood donations; the foundation did not provide a response.



Mr. Telfer’s undisclosed donations came in addition to between $1.3 million and $5.6 million in contributions, which were reported, from a constellation of people with ties to Uranium One or UrAsia, the company that originally acquired Uranium One’s most valuable asset: the Kazakh mines. Without those assets, the Russians would have had no interest in the deal: “It wasn’t the goal to buy the Wyoming mines. The goal was to acquire the Kazakh assets, which are very good,” Mr. Novikov, the Rosatom spokesman, said in an interview.



Amid this influx of Uranium One-connected money, Mr. Clinton was invited to speak in Moscow in June 2010, the same month Rosatom struck its deal for a majority stake in Uranium One.

The $500,000 fee — among Mr. Clinton’s highest — was paid by Renaissance Capital, a Russian investment bank with ties to the Kremlin that has invited world leaders, including Tony Blair, the former British prime minister, to speak at its investor conferences.

[b2r]

  

[Wisconsin Beth]

Is that the speech where he says he's not going to pivot?

[weltschmerz]

Aug 17, 2016 14:40:05 GMT -5 b2r said:

  

Can you please summarize? I can't watch 40 minutes of his blather without sticking my head in the oven.

[weltschmerz]

...and I don't want my cat to run away.

[billisonboard]

Aug 17, 2016 14:54:10 GMT -5 weltschmerz said:

Aug 17, 2016 14:40:05 GMT -5 b2r said:

  

Can you please summarize? I can't watch 40 minutes of his blather without sticking my head in the oven.

"I'm asking for the vote of every African-American citizen struggling in our country today who wants a different and much better future," Trump said in Washington County, which has a black population of 1.2%, according to the U.S. Census Bureau. Trump courts black voters in West Bend speech

[weltschmerz]

"I'm asking for the vote of every African-American citizen struggling in our country today who wants a different and much better future," Trump said in Washington County, which has a black population of 1.2%, according to the U.S. Census Bureau. Trump courts black voters in West Bend speech

What BS. Why would they vote for him? He tried to keep them from renting in his buildings and doesn't want them counting his money.

[Opti]

Aug 17, 2016 14:48:15 GMT -5 Wisconsin Beth said:

Is that the speech where he says he's not going to pivot?

Probably not.

I find both candidates hard to watch for different reasons. Trump was less bombastic, but he still does the off thing of hanging on to the podium with one hand, preferring to only gesture with one hand at a time. And that strange to me up and down movement from the elbow. I don't get the significance of him putting his thumb and forefinger together, but he does it almost as often as that annoying pointing.

Maybe Trump has health issues and problems standing at a podium using both hands while talking?

[Opti]

Aug 17, 2016 14:57:32 GMT -5 weltschmerz said:

...and I don't want my cat to run away.

He's quieter this round, but I find it very hard to watch and listen to. I couldn't make it even 8 minutes in, however the speech supposedly is about law and order. How Trump won't tolerate lawlessness in poor communities, how we need more police, and how poor people shouldn't put up with lawless people.

I'm wondering what kind of budget the man thinks he would have to do that?

[weltschmerz]

Aug 17, 2016 15:09:35 GMT -5 Opti said:

Aug 17, 2016 14:57:32 GMT -5 weltschmerz said:

...and I don't want my cat to run away.

He's quieter this round, but I find it very hard to watch and listen to. I couldn't make it even 8 minutes in, however the speech supposedly is about law and order. How Trump won't tolerate lawlessness in poor communities, how we need more police, and how poor people shouldn't put up with lawless people.

I'm wondering what kind of budget the man thinks he would have to do that?

An awesome budget! The best budget!
You have to ask?

[djAdvocate]

Aug 17, 2016 15:01:46 GMT -5 weltschmerz said:

"I'm asking for the vote of every African-American citizen struggling in our country today who wants a different and much better future," Trump said in Washington County, which has a black population of 1.2%, according to the U.S. Census Bureau. Trump courts black voters in West Bend speech

What BS. Why would they vote for him? He tried to keep them from renting in his buildings and doesn't want them counting his money.

he is a really shitty campaigner.  ultimately, that is what is going to get him.  he should not waste five SECONDS courting blacks:

fivethirtyeight.com/features/trump-is-in-fourth-place-among-black-voters/

i am a very practical person.  if i were Trump, i would focus on women, Hispanics, and people with college degrees.  he has a shot with them.  he has no chance whatsoever with "The Blacks".  none whatsoever.