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Post by AgeOfEnlightenmentSCP on Aug 4, 2016 9:47:24 GMT -5
We didn't import Germans and Japanese during WWII, we weren't itching to load up on Russians, or eastern Europeans during the cold war. Sorry, but there's no universal human "right" to immigrate to the United States. OK. But ISIS is not a country, it is not even a religion by itself. No one wants to let them come, but restricting Muslims affects places all over the world including Morocco.
What if instead of restricting Russians, we had chosen all Catholics and all Jews just to be safe?
The threat is from islam. Sure, not all muslims are terrorist threats- but why would we want more muslims here from outside the country given what's happened and before we get a handle on who's already here. |
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Post by happyhoix on Aug 4, 2016 10:04:27 GMT -5
Oh, and btw- if you exceed the limit of the portion of the space you rented- then unless additional space is already reserved then expanded capacity is almost always granted for an additional fee. Trump PACKED the house in Daytona and Jacksonville yesterday- YUGE crowds. It's questionable why a campaign notorious for drawing capacity crowds would limit the space. I know two people with the campaign- the challenge has been getting a large enough venue. Note that the argument is not that the crowd didn't hit capacity, but that the Trump campaign supposedly agreed to a 1,000 person limit? Interesting, don't you think? I think it's pretty clear the Trump campaign is severely understaffed, so it's not surprising if they signed a document without reviewing it.
By the way, the Republican fire marshal in Colorado Springs toured the facility prior to the venue coming up with the contract and determined the acceptable crowd capacity, which is based on national fire code standards for the number of people per square foot allowed, as well as how many exits and how large the exits are. And it was included in the contract that the Trump campaign signed. During the event, the police called the fire marshal to ask if more people could be allowed in both the room where the rally was being held and in the overflow room, and he agreed to increase the total number in both spaces by 10%.
The other venue did the same thing. Two fire marshals doing their jobs.
www.politifact.com/colorado/statements/2016/aug/03/donald-trump/trump-falsely-accuses-colorado-fire-marshal-incomp/
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Post by Opti on Aug 4, 2016 10:05:57 GMT -5
Is Trump trying to lose? I'm surprised no one brought up his fire fighter lies yet. Sorry for using a blog, there are better articles out there.
www.slate.com/blogs/the_slatest/2016/08/01/trump_has_now_accused_two_fire_marshals_of_being_conspiring_against_him.html
So I have to tell you this. This is why our country doesn’t work. We have plenty of space here. We have thousands of people outside trying to get in. And we have a fire marshal that said, ‘Oh we can’t allow more people.’ ... And the reason they won’t let them in is because they don’t know what the hell they’re doing. Hey, maybe they’re a Hillary person. Could that be possible? Probably.
The Columbus FD says Trump's campaign agreed to the 1,000-person limit four days ago. Then they should have no problem documenting this. I used to host events, so I'm well aware of all the paperwork that has to be completed. I'd like to see proof. I've seen the venue- Trump is correct about capacity. If they agreed to a limit (which is highly unusual) such as contracting only portion of the space- that'll be in the contract. Otherwise, when you rent a venue- capacity is the limit. On further reading there is this-
According to a Columbus Division of Fire spokesperson, many of the exits at the Greater Columbus Convention Center were not usable because of construction on the building.
The lack of exits is why the attendance at the rally was limited to 1,000 people, and a meeting was held last week with all parties involved with the campaign to discuss the issue, according to the spokesperson. nbc4i.com/2016/08/01/donald-trump-coming-to-columbus-this-afternoon/
His staff agreed to the number, but he has to complain anyway. He could have looked for a different venue.
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Post by Deleted on Aug 4, 2016 11:09:26 GMT -5
Now that the RNC is over, how many extra-ordinary gun problems were in evidence during the convention in the surrounding area ? Or was your post just more gun control hyperbole ?  I believe I already replied to a similar comment of yours on a different thread, but in case that didn't 'stick' in your mind the first time, I put the lack of riots and blood shed at the RNC right at the feet of the CPD, who did a great job of keeping the different groups apart and who practiced a kinder, gentler form of crowd control that tamped down, rather than inflamed, the crowds.
Maybe you want to print this out and keep a copy in case you want to ask me the same thing a third time.
So my "cop story" thread was a good representation after all, of police interacting with the public. Since some your replies keep contradicting with other replies you've made about the police. I have to keep asking because I don't think you know where you stand on this subject. I won't need to make a copy of this current reply because you'll more than likely flip-flop the next time around, rendering a hard copy to being less than useless.  |
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Post by djAdvocate on Aug 4, 2016 12:15:35 GMT -5
i don't think he is socially liberal. social liberals look out for the rights of all people, even when it is not in the interests of "security". and it is not fiscally conservative to promote a tax policy that will balloon the deficit $18T (going off memory, here). other than that, i agree with you. which means that Trump basically advocates nothing that i want or care about, and a great deal that i fear. We didn't import Germans and Japanese during WWII, we weren't itching to load up on Russians, or eastern Europeans during the cold war. Sorry, but there's no universal human "right" to immigrate to the United States. interesting. i wasn't even thinking of immigration when i made that comment.  |
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Post by djAdvocate on Aug 4, 2016 12:17:20 GMT -5
I could go for that as well. Well, I'm a Christian. Using this absurd premise, I should just write in Jesus since there's about the same possibility of Him being elected and coming back to take the oath of office. There are two candidates, and only two candidates. You have to pick the one you like least and vote for the other against that candidate. If you don't want Trump more than you don't want Hillary- you'd better vote for Hillary, and vice versa. last time i checked, there were about 1000 people running for president. if everyone voted for someone other than HC and DT, he or she would win. that is the only fact that matters to me. |
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Post by billisonboard on Aug 4, 2016 12:29:01 GMT -5
I could go for that as well. Well, I'm a Christian. Using this absurd premise, I should just write in Jesus ... ... I am a citizen of the United States and am going to vote for a citizen of the United States to be POTUS. I don't see anything absurd in that notion. It does seem absurd to me to vote for someone who isn't eligible for the office no matter how many votes they receive. |
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Post by Tennesseer on Aug 4, 2016 12:35:35 GMT -5
Oh, and btw- if you exceed the limit of the portion of the space you rented- then unless additional space is already reserved then expanded capacity is almost always granted for an additional fee. Trump PACKED the house in Daytona and Jacksonville yesterday- YUGE crowds. It's questionable why a campaign notorious for drawing capacity crowds would limit the space. I know two people with the campaign- the challenge has been getting a large enough venue. Note that the argument is not that the crowd didn't hit capacity, but that the Trump campaign supposedly agreed to a 1,000 person limit? Interesting, don't you think? And outside the Jacksonville rally, the Jacksonville crowds were HUUUUUUGE! Oh wait......what's that?...It wasn't Jacksonville?
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Post by Opti on Aug 4, 2016 12:37:15 GMT -5
Oh, and btw- if you exceed the limit of the portion of the space you rented- then unless additional space is already reserved then expanded capacity is almost always granted for an additional fee. Trump PACKED the house in Daytona and Jacksonville yesterday- YUGE crowds. It's questionable why a campaign notorious for drawing capacity crowds would limit the space. I know two people with the campaign- the challenge has been getting a large enough venue. Note that the argument is not that the crowd didn't hit capacity, but that the Trump campaign supposedly agreed to a 1,000 person limit? Interesting, don't you think? Interesting. Perhaps it was a preset "scandal" like the Melania pics? |
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Post by movingforward on Aug 4, 2016 12:37:56 GMT -5
Oh, and btw- if you exceed the limit of the portion of the space you rented- then unless additional space is already reserved then expanded capacity is almost always granted for an additional fee. Trump PACKED the house in Daytona and Jacksonville yesterday- YUGE crowds. It's questionable why a campaign notorious for drawing capacity crowds would limit the space. I know two people with the campaign- the challenge has been getting a large enough venue. Note that the argument is not that the crowd didn't hit capacity, but that the Trump campaign supposedly agreed to a 1,000 person limit? Interesting, don't you think? And outside the Jacksonville rally, the Jacksonville crowds were HUUUUUUGE! Oh wait......what's that?...It wasn't Jacksonville?
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Post by djAdvocate on Aug 4, 2016 12:38:12 GMT -5
Oh, and btw- if you exceed the limit of the portion of the space you rented- then unless additional space is already reserved then expanded capacity is almost always granted for an additional fee. Trump PACKED the house in Daytona and Jacksonville yesterday- YUGE crowds. It's questionable why a campaign notorious for drawing capacity crowds would limit the space. I know two people with the campaign- the challenge has been getting a large enough venue. Note that the argument is not that the crowd didn't hit capacity, but that the Trump campaign supposedly agreed to a 1,000 person limit? Interesting, don't you think? And outside the Jacksonville rally, the Jacksonville crowds were HUUUUUUGE! Oh wait......what's that?...It wasn't Jacksonville?
Breitbart Caught Passing Off Photo Of Cleveland’s NBA Championship Parade As Image Of Trump's Jacksonville Rallyi noticed that they booked a 1000 seat hall in a state they have to win, as well. that is not a very big hall. |
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Post by Tennesseer on Aug 4, 2016 12:40:33 GMT -5
i noticed that they booked a 1000 seat hall in a state they have to win, as well. that is not a very big hall. I don't know why they would book a 1000 seat hall when there was plenty of room outside the Clevel....Jacksonville hall to have a rally. |
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Post by happyhoix on Aug 4, 2016 15:59:21 GMT -5
I believe I already replied to a similar comment of yours on a different thread, but in case that didn't 'stick' in your mind the first time, I put the lack of riots and blood shed at the RNC right at the feet of the CPD, who did a great job of keeping the different groups apart and who practiced a kinder, gentler form of crowd control that tamped down, rather than inflamed, the crowds.
Maybe you want to print this out and keep a copy in case you want to ask me the same thing a third time.
So my "cop story" thread was a good representation after all, of police interacting with the public. Since some your replies keep contradicting with other replies you've made about the police. I have to keep asking because I don't think you know where you stand on this subject. I won't need to make a copy of this current reply because you'll more than likely flip-flop the next time around, rendering a hard copy to being less than useless. Why don't you put me on ignore? I think that would make you happy. |
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Post by Deleted on Aug 4, 2016 16:16:12 GMT -5
Lol if Jesus came back he would be an American...
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Post by billisonboard on Aug 4, 2016 16:23:50 GMT -5
Lol if Jesus came back he would be an American... A Cardinal runs into the Pope's office and says he has good news and bad news. The Pope says good news first. The Cardinal says, "Jesus has returned." The Pope, "How can there be bad news?" The Cardinal says, "Well, He is holding a press conference in Salt Lake City." |
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Post by Tennesseer on Aug 4, 2016 16:46:36 GMT -5
At the press conference in Salt Lake City, was Joseph Smith standing behind Jesus, silently mouthing to the crowd "I told you so."?
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Post by Deleted on Aug 4, 2016 22:13:52 GMT -5
I could go for that as well. Well, I'm a Christian. Using this absurd premise, I should just write in Jesus since there's about the same possibility of Him being elected and coming back to take the oath of office. There are two candidates, and only two candidates. You have to pick the one you like least and vote for the other against that candidate. If you don't want Trump more than you don't want Hillary- you'd better vote for Hillary, and vice versa. Contrary to that absurd post, there are actually more than two candidates. One day (hopefully this election) enough people will wake up to that fact, and someone who is neither Democrat nor Republican will win. It's been known to happen in other elections (state level AND federal level {Senators AND Congressmen/women}, just not President... yet) |
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Post by Opti on Aug 5, 2016 2:36:34 GMT -5
Well, I'm a Christian. Using this absurd premise, I should just write in Jesus since there's about the same possibility of Him being elected and coming back to take the oath of office. There are two candidates, and only two candidates. You have to pick the one you like least and vote for the other against that candidate. If you don't want Trump more than you don't want Hillary- you'd better vote for Hillary, and vice versa. Contrary to that absurd post, there are actually more than two candidates. One day (hopefully this election) enough people will wake up to that fact, and someone who is neither Democrat nor Republican will win. It's been known to happen in other elections (state level AND federal level {Senators AND Congressmen/women}, just not President... yet) Yes there are more than two candidates. However with history of the last 40 years or so, only two independent candidates I remember did well, but did not win. And they had serious national visible campaigns. It won't happen this election, way more visibility is needed for someone not from the two parties to win.
John Anderson was a Republican congressman who ran as an independent. He got 6.6% of the votes. Ross Perot 18.9% of the votes. I don't see Jill Stein or Gary Johnson doing that well this election. FWIW.
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Post by Deleted on Aug 5, 2016 5:45:50 GMT -5
Contrary to that absurd post, there are actually more than two candidates. One day (hopefully this election) enough people will wake up to that fact, and someone who is neither Democrat nor Republican will win. It's been known to happen in other elections (state level AND federal level {Senators AND Congressmen/women}, just not President... yet) Yes there are more than two candidates. However with history of the last 40 years or so, only two independent candidates I remember did well, but did not win. And they had serious national visible campaigns. It won't happen this election, way more visibility is needed for someone not from the two parties to win.
John Anderson was a Republican congressman who ran as an independent. He got 6.6% of the votes. Ross Perot 18.9% of the votes. I don't see Jill Stein or Gary Johnson doing that well this election. FWIW.
As the famous financial disclaimer says "previous history is no guarantee of future results" Prior to MANY things changing, they were the way they were for decades, centuries, even millennia. A few prominent ones that come to mind... The history of only property owning males being allowed to vote went on for a while... until it changed. The history of women not being allowed to vote went on for a while... until it changed. The history of Rule by Monarchy went on for ages before it changed... and then we didn't have it anymore. The history of slavery goes back millennia... until (at least in most places, anyway) it stopped. Things change. One day the Democratic Party and the Republican Party will both be as relevant as the Whig Party and the National Union Party. And yes... those actually were real political parties... there were even 4 Whig Presidents {William Henry Harrison {1841}, John Tyler {1841–45}, Zachary Taylor {1849–50}, Millard Fillmore {1850–53}). Will that day be this election cycle? Probably not... but it WILL happen. This election cycle can only hasten it, even if it doesn't bring it on completely. |
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Post by Deleted on Aug 5, 2016 8:04:37 GMT -5
How about the RNC and other leadership abandon Trump and get behind Johnson instead... Make the shift away from social conservatives once and for all and maybe actually have a chance. The party needs retooled regardless.
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Post by Deleted on Aug 5, 2016 8:45:06 GMT -5
And so a poll today has Clinton up 4... In Georgia.
The agregate isn't quite there, but if you throw out May and add this one she would be tied... In Georgia...
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Post by tallguy on Aug 5, 2016 9:42:19 GMT -5
I could go for that as well. Well, I'm a Christian. Using this absurd premise.... Well, congratulations. After all these years you finally have the "absurd premise" noted in its proper place.  |
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Post by Icelandic Woman on Aug 5, 2016 11:58:49 GMT -5
Trump is insane. That's all I can think of when he goes lower with his comments. All he needed to say was "Thank you for your service." He should have said the same thing to the Gold Star family instead of insulting them. As a veteran I am appalled at his actions.
Nobody WANTS a Purple Heart. Does he even know what a Purple Heart is awarded for in that YUUGGEE smart brain of his? He is a despicable human being. |
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Post by Waffle on Aug 5, 2016 12:25:33 GMT -5
J.R. Martinez wrote a great piece about Donald Trump and the military.
"Please remember that the people you are speaking about, our brave men and women of the armed forces make up less than 1% of the population. However, if you become commander in chief, they will be the people who are going to fight for you regardless of personal politics. These are the people who will defend you. These are their families you are talking about. These are not the people you want to continue to carry out your petty grievances and personal attacks with.
I respectfully suggest you get a primer on the word sacrifice, as well as a lesson in human decency. " Open letter to Donald Trump from J.R. Martinez
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Post by Deleted on Aug 5, 2016 12:50:46 GMT -5
So my "cop story" thread was a good representation after all, of police interacting with the public. Since some your replies keep contradicting with other replies you've made about the police. I have to keep asking because I don't think you know where you stand on this subject. I won't need to make a copy of this current reply because you'll more than likely flip-flop the next time around, rendering a hard copy to being less than useless. Why don't you put me on ignore? I think that would make you happy. Blocking people on a forum only makes me sad. You aren't even close to being blocked by me. I only have one person blocked on this forum, and it was done almost immediately after reading a couple of his posts. I don't judge anyone as negative because they have a differing opinion. There are a lot of times I just plain miss things, or don't communicate well. I expect others to do the same and don't judge because of it. |
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Post by djAdvocate on Aug 5, 2016 13:18:36 GMT -5
Why don't you put me on ignore? I think that would make you happy. Blocking people on a forum only makes me sad. You aren't even close to being blocked by me. I only have one person blocked on this forum, and it was done almost immediately after reading a couple of his posts. I don't judge anyone as negative because they have a differing opinion. There are a lot of times I just plain miss things, or don't communicate well. I expect others to do the same and don't judge because of it. i  this post so muchly. |
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Post by djAdvocate on Aug 5, 2016 13:32:22 GMT -5
And so a poll today has Clinton up 4... In Georgia. The agregate isn't quite there, but if you throw out May and add this one she would be tied... In Georgia... i think i mentioned this possibility YESTERDAY. if Trump does badly, he WILL lose this state. it has been ALMOST purple for a while now, and given the demographics there, it is the most likely state in the deep South to go for Clinton this year other than Florida. |
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Post by djAdvocate on Aug 5, 2016 13:33:51 GMT -5
The party leadership is terrified. They are afraid that Trump will not only lose, but that the losses may go down ticket, to their Senate and House seats that may be vulnerable. But they are also afraid that upsetting the cart might make it even worse. They are like deer in the headlights right now. Terrified. there is considerably momentum developing in that direction- and partially it is due to Obama, who is now at 50+% approval. it is hard to imagine the GOP retaining the Senate, as things stand today. |
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Post by weltschmerz on Aug 5, 2016 13:56:55 GMT -5
Trump is insane. That's all I can think of when he goes lower with his comments. All he needed to say was "Thank you for your service." He should have said the same thing to the Gold Star family instead of insulting them. As a veteran I am appalled at his actions.
Nobody WANTS a Purple Heart. Does he even know what a Purple Heart is awarded for in that YUUGGEE smart brain of his? He is a despicable human being. I can`t believe he had the temerity to actually accept this Purple Heart from a veteran. Then added insult to injury by saying "What an easy way to get a Purple Heart!" The man has no shame. None. |
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Post by AgeOfEnlightenmentSCP on Aug 5, 2016 19:38:00 GMT -5
Anyone care to explain how it is possible that Trump is leading with unaffiliated (voters not affiliated with any party) voters 41% to 29% after Hillary led by 5% last week? I'll tell you how: they have no clue what's happening out there. In the meantime, some WaPo guy named Robert Costa (not to be confused with Bob Costas) let slip the "Monster Vote" to a VERY nervous Charlie Rose. Those people I thought would turn out for Romney that never showed up? They're wide awake. They're going to be there. |
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