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Post by Deleted on May 17, 2016 14:31:53 GMT -5
Maybe you should rethink those Saturday nights you go to the bar. Maybe YOU should start watching the news. He whipped his idiot followers into a frenzy with his PROMISES of a Muslim ban and a Wall. Whipped them into such a frenzy that all other GOP candidates had to drop out due to lack of interest. Now that he has the playing field all to himself, he admits they weren't promises at all....just suggestions. Leaving them holding the bag, because there's nobody else they can vote for.
Sometimes while watching the "news", you might want to do a little fact checking to see if your getting the whole story.
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Post by Deleted on May 17, 2016 14:39:47 GMT -5
Evidently, the Art of the Deal consists of lying to get your own way. You mean people running for public offices....lie ? I never knew ! Thank the powers that be you filled me in with this startling information. Now I know, that when some person running for public office is saying what his target audience wants to hear...he/she's lying !
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Post by happyhoix on May 17, 2016 14:43:19 GMT -5
I agree that namby pamby political correctness is stupid.
Now, what do you think of a politician who proposes solutions that are self evidently too expensive (a giant wall between us and Mexico) or require magical thinking (making Mexico pay for the wall) or are actually not plans at all, but 'so awesome, so marvelous, everyone is going to love it' (Trumps' proposal for replacing Obamacare with awesomeness).
What do you think of someone who claims to be a conservative Republican proposing a $15 federal minimum wage, proposing that the wealthy pay an even higher amount of taxes than he originally proposed, and being left of the democratic candidate on national security and Wall Street?
Personally I prefer candidates that come up with a platform in line with their party's political philosophy and then sticking with it. You know where you stand with them, and what to expect in the future. Candidates that alter their proposals daily based on the kind of voters he is attempting to appeal to at that moment strike me as to - well - namby pamby - and someone who will be a loose cannon, should he ever get elected.
I actually never thought he would do those things, no more than Obama would do all the things he said he would do. I look at him as change. (sound familiar) I don't want another Washington insider. Trump shouldn't replace the ACA with anything. I guess I'm worse than him in that regard. So we're stuck with a namby pampy politically correct DEM who panders to Wall Street but claims she doesn't and a flippity flopper political outsider who changes his wives and his political platforms the same way most men change their shirts.
I still have to favor the Dem because although I'm not a yuge fan, at least I know what I'm getting, and it doesn't terrify me. Doesn't inspire me, but doesn't terrify me.
Mr Trump's Wild Ride, though - gut wrenching jerks from progressive to conservative (Let's abolish abortion!! Now let's give everyone 15$ an hour!) depending on the audience Trump is trying to persuade.
This election is a suck-fest.
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Post by djAdvocate on May 17, 2016 16:19:17 GMT -5
The bait dangles.... wait.... wait.... the fish swim's past. Better luck next time. i wasn't baiting. i was genuinely curious. so, why don't you want to share?
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Post by djAdvocate on May 17, 2016 16:20:57 GMT -5
So we're stuck with a namby pampy politically correct DEM who panders to Wall Street but claims she doesn't and a flippity flopper political outsider who changes his wives and his political platforms the same way most men change their shirts.
I still have to favor the Dem because although I'm not a yuge fan, at least I know what I'm getting, and it doesn't terrify me. Doesn't inspire me, but doesn't terrify me.
Mr Trump's Wild Ride, though - gut wrenching jerks from progressive to conservative (Let's abolish abortion!! Now let's give everyone 15$ an hour!) depending on the audience Trump is trying to persuade.
This election is a suck-fest.
I agree it's a suck-fest (sic), but it's our fest to embrace or ignore, or just choose a side. You might of noticed I haven't said anything bad about Hilary either. that's because she is not that interesting.
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Post by AgeOfEnlightenmentSCP on May 17, 2016 18:47:01 GMT -5
Trump's tax returns are just another non-issue. A flinging of mud up onto the wall by people that don't like him. aka- pretty much everyone. You are not everyone. As the GOP found out, actually a LOT of people do. More people than have ever supported a GOP candidate in a primary in history, in fact. Republican turnout in the primary wa... ah, nevermind. We've been over this.
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Post by AgeOfEnlightenmentSCP on May 17, 2016 18:48:56 GMT -5
Maybe you should rethink those Saturday nights you go to the bar. Maybe YOU should start watching the news. He whipped his idiot followers into a frenzy with his PROMISES of a Muslim ban and a Wall. Whipped them into such a frenzy that all other GOP candidates had to drop out due to lack of interest. Now that he has the playing field all to himself, he admits they weren't promises at all....just suggestions. Leaving them holding the bag, because there's nobody else they can vote for.
Since you're claiming Trump has reneged on all his promises, do you mind citing your sources? I've seen nothing but reassurances that he will build the wall, etc.
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Post by AgeOfEnlightenmentSCP on May 17, 2016 18:55:37 GMT -5
I agree it's a suck-fest (sic), but it's our fest to embrace or ignore, or just choose a side. You might of noticed I haven't said anything bad about Hilary either. that's because she is not that interesting. Ahhhh, and now you bring up another dynamic. Typically, the media champions the mealy mouthed meek and mild moderate RINO until the general election at which point the candidate is magically transformed into a right wing extremist. There was no such honeymoon period with Trump. True, he got a lot of attention, but not very much of it was positive. But he was and remains interesting. All they have to do is mention his name, and their ratings spike. Here me now, and do not doubt me ever: this dynamic is going to matter. I'm not sure the media can resist the prospect of four years of The President Donald J. Trump Circus. Yes, they are hard core lefties, and the record to date is that they're willing to lose money to advance their far left agenda. However, now that they've had a taste of the ratings Trump brings, I'm not so sure they won't let him have it.
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Post by djAdvocate on May 17, 2016 22:20:40 GMT -5
aka- pretty much everyone. You are not everyone. As the GOP found out, actually a LOT of people do. More people than have ever supported a GOP candidate in a primary in history, in fact. Republican turnout in the primary wa... ah, nevermind. We've been over this. we'll see. the only person less popular than Clinton is Trump. that is a FACT. can it change? sure. absolutely. for both of them.
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Post by djAdvocate on May 17, 2016 22:22:40 GMT -5
that's because she is not that interesting. Ahhhh, and now you bring up another dynamic. Typically, the media champions the mealy mouthed meek and mild moderate RINO until the general election at which point the candidate is magically transformed into a right wing extremist. There was no such honeymoon period with Trump. True, he got a lot of attention, but not very much of it was positive. But he was and remains interesting. All they have to do is mention his name, and their ratings spike. Here me now, and do not doubt me ever: this dynamic is going to matter. I'm not sure the media can resist the prospect of four years of The President Donald J. Trump Circus. Yes, they are hard core lefties, and the record to date is that they're willing to lose money to advance their far left agenda. However, now that they've had a taste of the ratings Trump brings, I'm not so sure they won't let him have it. other than the hard core left comment, i agree with you.
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Post by Deleted on May 17, 2016 22:26:28 GMT -5
I've had a very difficult time finding confirmed primary vote totals. Do you have a source? Thanks.
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Post by Deleted on May 17, 2016 22:39:24 GMT -5
Thanks! I'm on real clear all the time! But guess I don't gravitate past the home page too often anymore
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Post by djAdvocate on May 17, 2016 22:40:09 GMT -5
Thanks! I'm on real clear all the time! But guess I don't gravitate past the home page too often anymore that data is buried deep.
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Post by djAdvocate on May 17, 2016 23:09:58 GMT -5
not that you will listen to me, but the polling average is Clinton +5%. this poll is well within MOE for that average. it is TRUE that she was +11% on March 25th (which was SEVEN weeks ago, oc). it is also true, however, that she was up less than 1% on September 12th, less than 2% on January 18th, and less than 3% on February 27th. we will see how it goes for her. it might be a good time to mention that there is still 11% undecided right now. i would be more worried about that, if i were Clinton. other than one day in March, she has not been above 50% in this matchup since LAST AUGUST.
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Post by happyhoix on May 18, 2016 6:59:41 GMT -5
that's because she is not that interesting. Ahhhh, and now you bring up another dynamic. Typically, the media champions the mealy mouthed meek and mild moderate RINO until the general election at which point the candidate is magically transformed into a right wing extremist. There was no such honeymoon period with Trump. True, he got a lot of attention, but not very much of it was positive. But he was and remains interesting. All they have to do is mention his name, and their ratings spike. Here me now, and do not doubt me ever: this dynamic is going to matter. I'm not sure the media can resist the prospect of four years of The President Donald J. Trump Circus. Yes, they are hard core lefties, and the record to date is that they're willing to lose money to advance their far left agenda. However, now that they've had a taste of the ratings Trump brings, I'm not so sure they won't let him have it. I've noticed a flurry of embarrassing stories popping up in the media in the last couple of weeks. Donald Trump impersonates his own gushing PR spokesman to brag about himself to reporters. Donald Trump being sexually inappropriate with business associates and beauty contest participants.
Trump has been a public figure for a long time, and has a long history of fights with the tabloids. His own personal history of serially marrying and dating a lot of women leaves him exposed to a lot of juicy gossipy details that the media can exploit.
I suspect when we actually get past the conventions and headed to the election, there will be an increase in these kinds of stories (leaked by the Dems), including details of past mob connections and a series of disappointed Trump university students. Stories are also surfacing that Trump made a habit of short changing vendors and walking away still owing on part of his contracts, so I would expect we will see some of those people step forward in the coming months, too. And then there are the elusive details of his tax returns, which may yet get leaked.
IMHO (which is truly humble) this is the dynamic that will start to matter as we approach the election. Trump will look more and more like the predatory businessman he is, without concern for the middle class, and with a sexual history that will dismay his religiously conservative supporters. True there will be the hard core faithful who stick their fingers in their ears and hum to themselves, but American voters are fickle, and once their man of the hour shows his feet of clay, a certain percentage will bail. Will this be enough to derail the Trump train? I don't know.
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Post by OldCoyote on May 18, 2016 9:28:03 GMT -5
I did a phone survey (robocall) a couple of days ago, Everything I answered to was just opposite of what I think.
So much of the accuracy of polls.
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Post by OldCoyote on May 18, 2016 9:44:24 GMT -5
Over the last couple of week asking friends and business associates, their opinion of the up coming election. Trump has a strong following, these people are pretty moderate, (unlike oldcoyote) One thing that comes out from some is this is a vote against Hillary rather than a vote for Trump. One exception is my super liberal friend, He said business was getting better, I said you know why? Trump is going to be President!! BOY, did that get a comment,
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Post by happyhoix on May 18, 2016 10:04:51 GMT -5
I read somewhere that phone polls are misleading. Apparently Trump supporters are too embarrassed to say it on the phone but will admit it on anonymous online polls. I've kind of wondered how many Dems have been telling on line pollers that they support Trump in order to give him an advantage against the other GOP rivals, who would fare better against Hillary in the general election.
And then I remember that this would require coordination among a large group of Americans to achieve a goal, and realize that's a silly notion. Americans are cantankerous.
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Post by happyhoix on May 18, 2016 10:07:36 GMT -5
I know that bankruptcy is simply another "tool" to be used in business, and that Donald is adept at using it.
However, as a small businessman, I have been on the other end of it. I have been left holding the bag several times over the years when one entity or another goes all Chapt 11 (or 7) and bails on their debt, usually it seems for more legitimate reasons than Trump has used (ie they were truly broke).
It never feels good, and it is never "OK". I once actually had one twit say to me on the phone "Don't worry, it's just business". I wanted to throttle him. Years ago I worked for a company that went into bankruptcy. As a manager I had to field all the angry calls from my vendors that now probably wouldn't get paid. Humiliating, as I had personal relationships with these guys, and some of them I knew were small businesses that couldn't really afford a hit like this.
The worst part was, I knew the bankruptcy was from sheer mismanagement at the top. Didn't seem right that we could get a do-over and screw over all those venders just because our CFO was an idiot. Of course he got fired, but no doubt he had a golden parachute.
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Post by djAdvocate on May 18, 2016 10:13:57 GMT -5
I know that bankruptcy is simply another "tool" to be used in business, and that Donald is adept at using it.
However, as a small businessman, I have been on the other end of it. I have been left holding the bag several times over the years when one entity or another goes all Chapt 11 (or 7) and bails on their debt, usually it seems for more legitimate reasons than Trump has used (ie they were truly broke).
It never feels good, and it is never "OK". I once actually had one twit say to me on the phone "Don't worry, it's just business". I wanted to throttle him. the way he talks about it, bubbling with pride, makes me want to vomit. i too have been screwed out of tens of thousands of dollars through several bankruptcies. the most galling one was a guy in Canada that went belly up, and then REFORMED his business in the US, using the same assets. this asshole actually had the GALL to call us up and ask us for spare parts (YES, THE SAME GUY) after stiffing us for thousands upon thousands of dollars worth of parts before he went belly up. when he realized that we realized who he was, he stopped asking.
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Post by djAdvocate on May 18, 2016 10:14:41 GMT -5
I did a phone survey (robocall) a couple of days ago, Everything I answered to was just opposite of what I think. So much of the accuracy of polls. fortunately, scientific polls know how to weed out folks like you.
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Post by djAdvocate on May 18, 2016 10:15:21 GMT -5
Over the last couple of week asking friends and business associates, their opinion of the up coming election. Trump has a strong following, these people are pretty moderate, (unlike oldcoyote) One thing that comes out from some is this is a vote against Hillary rather than a vote for Trump. One exception is my super liberal friend, He said business was getting better, I said you know why? Trump is going to be President!! BOY, did that get a comment, such as "that makes no sense whatsoever"?
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Post by happyhoix on May 18, 2016 14:30:19 GMT -5
the way he talks about it, bubbling with pride, makes me want to vomit. i too have been screwed out of tens of thousands of dollars through several bankruptcies. the most galling one was a guy in Canada that went belly up, and then REFORMED his business in the US, using the same assets. this asshole actually had the GALL to call us up and ask us for spare parts (YES, THE SAME GUY) after stiffing us for thousands upon thousands of dollars worth of parts before he went belly up. when he realized that we realized who he was, he stopped asking. We had one similar to that, except that he regrouped in the same state, NH. Instead of Jerk Associates they were now Jerk Builders. And yes, they wanted to know if we would sell to them. Yup. Cash or bank check, in advance.
We have another one right now. 68K out there, we'll get 38 back, minus some legal costs.
What pissed me off the most in what Trump said was that he tried to claim the banks that lent him the money in the first place, and that he screwed out of money by declaring bankruptcy, were 'not nice' people.
Like somehow the bank deserved what they got. Like Trump did a good thing, a service to the community by screwing them out of money.
I guess they were mean in that they expected to get their loan money back, plus interest.
I imagine if the shoe was on the other foot and someone shorted Trump by declaring bankruptcy he'd be whining like a kid who accidentally dropped his ice cream cone on the floor.
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Post by Deleted on May 18, 2016 14:39:29 GMT -5
Wait... Were they Mexicans?
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Post by djAdvocate on May 18, 2016 16:06:35 GMT -5
We had one similar to that, except that he regrouped in the same state, NH. Instead of Jerk Associates they were now Jerk Builders. And yes, they wanted to know if we would sell to them. Yup. Cash or bank check, in advance.
We have another one right now. 68K out there, we'll get 38 back, minus some legal costs.
What pissed me off the most in what Trump said was that he tried to claim the banks that lent him the money in the first place, and that he screwed out of money by declaring bankruptcy, were 'not nice' people. .
just like the people that will vote for him?
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Post by djAdvocate on May 18, 2016 16:07:17 GMT -5
the way he talks about it, bubbling with pride, makes me want to vomit. i too have been screwed out of tens of thousands of dollars through several bankruptcies. the most galling one was a guy in Canada that went belly up, and then REFORMED his business in the US, using the same assets. this asshole actually had the GALL to call us up and ask us for spare parts (YES, THE SAME GUY) after stiffing us for thousands upon thousands of dollars worth of parts before he went belly up. when he realized that we realized who he was, he stopped asking. We had one similar to that, except that he regrouped in the same state, NH. Instead of Jerk Associates they were now Jerk Builders. And yes, they wanted to know if we would sell to them. Yup. Cash or bank check, in advance.
We have another one right now. 68K out there, we'll get 38 back, minus some legal costs.
that's f-ing horrible. one year's pay for an employee down the toilet.
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Post by weltschmerz on May 18, 2016 18:16:46 GMT -5
Maybe YOU should start watching the news. He whipped his idiot followers into a frenzy with his PROMISES of a Muslim ban and a Wall. Whipped them into such a frenzy that all other GOP candidates had to drop out due to lack of interest. Now that he has the playing field all to himself, he admits they weren't promises at all....just suggestions. Leaving them holding the bag, because there's nobody else they can vote for.
Since you're claiming Trump has reneged on all his promises, do you mind citing your sources? I've seen nothing but reassurances that he will build the wall, etc. "I'm going to build a WALL! It will be YUGE! I'm going to make Mexico pay for it!!"
theresurgent.com/trump-campaign-admits-his-call-for-a-wall-is-just-a-suggestion/
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Over the last couple of week asking friends and business associates, their opinion of the up coming election. Trump has a strong following, these people are pretty moderate, (unlike oldcoyote) One thing that comes out from some is this is a vote against Hillary rather than a vote for Trump. One exception is my super liberal friend, He said business was getting better, I said you know why? Trump is going to be President!! BOY, did that get a comment, such as "that makes no sense whatsoever"? It was better than that, I have known him for 28 years, this was the first time I ever heard him swear!!
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