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Post by djAdvocate on May 10, 2016 22:33:56 GMT -5
so, Trump is a lock then, Paul? sure thing?
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Post by Value Buy on May 11, 2016 5:07:20 GMT -5
Paul, please do not jinx Trump. Play in the weeds here, but stay away from absolute victory talk.Trump has a ton of work to do to defeat Clinton. Little steps, please
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Post by Wisconsin Beth on May 11, 2016 7:26:37 GMT -5
Does Hilary have to energize the non-white vote? I ask because it appears that Trump is doing a damn good job of doing it for her, in regards only to the November election.
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Post by OldCoyote on May 11, 2016 8:10:11 GMT -5
News article state, " Trump struggling to get GOP votes. In Nebraska he only received 60% In West Virginia he only received 75% Yeaaa, really struggling there, Did one of our left sided posters write this article??
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Post by billisonboard on May 11, 2016 8:21:25 GMT -5
News article state, " Trump struggling to get GOP votes. In Nebraska he only received 60% In West Virginia he only received 75% Yeaaa, really struggling there, Did one of our left sided posters write this article?? He is the only person still running and 40%/25% of GOP primary voters voted for some else.
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Post by djAdvocate on May 11, 2016 8:40:19 GMT -5
somewhat. speaking personally, i was referring ONLY to the GOP. and i don't remember ever mentioning income. but i always like hearing what NS has to say. this is interesting.
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Post by Value Buy on May 11, 2016 8:56:01 GMT -5
Does Hilary have to energize the non-white vote? I ask because it appears that Trump is doing a damn good job of doing it for her, in regards only to the November election. Everyone on the political talk show circuit insists Trump will be trounced by not having enough Hispanic and female support in the fall. He must gain over 15% of the Hispanic vote to be a viable candidate and defeat Clinton. Interesting poll this morning on Hispanics and females. Trump has almost 20% support in the Hispanic group, and is better in the female group than originally thought. The pundit this morning asked, "what is wrong with the Hispanics"? Throw in the Midwest being a too close to call category this fall, and it might be over before they have the conventions this summer.
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Post by djAdvocate on May 11, 2016 8:58:13 GMT -5
Does Hilary have to energize the non-white vote? I ask because it appears that Trump is doing a damn good job of doing it for her, in regards only to the November election. Everyone on the political talk show circuit insists Trump will be trounced by not having enough Hispanic and female support in the fall. He must gain over 15% of the Hispanic vote to be a viable candidate and defeat Clinton. Interesting poll this morning on Hispanics and females. Trump has almost 20% support in the Hispanic group, and is better in the female group than originally thought. The pundit this morning asked, "what is wrong with the Hispanics"? Throw in the Midwest being a too close to call category this fall, and it might be over before they have the conventions this summer. my personal experience with celebs running for office in my home state tells me that hispanics and other minorities are drawn to them because they are celebs. Democrats would be wise to not underestimate that.
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Post by Value Buy on May 11, 2016 9:04:42 GMT -5
Everyone on the political talk show circuit insists Trump will be trounced by not having enough Hispanic and female support in the fall. He must gain over 15% of the Hispanic vote to be a viable candidate and defeat Clinton. Interesting poll this morning on Hispanics and females. Trump has almost 20% support in the Hispanic group, and is better in the female group than originally thought. The pundit this morning asked, "what is wrong with the Hispanics"? Throw in the Midwest being a too close to call category this fall, and it might be over before they have the conventions this summer. my personal experience with celebs running for office in my home state tells me that hispanics and other minorities are drawn to them because they are celebs. Democrats would be wise to not underestimate that. The democrats know that. That is why they have overwhelmingly won black and Hispanic voters. Maybe it will change enough this year.
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Post by djAdvocate on May 11, 2016 9:14:14 GMT -5
my personal experience with celebs running for office in my home state tells me that hispanics and other minorities are drawn to them because they are celebs. Democrats would be wise to not underestimate that. The democrats know that. That is why they have overwhelmingly won black and Hispanic voters. Maybe it will change enough this year. it's not likely, but it IS possible. like i say, i have my own state to offer as evidence. AS had surprisingly strong support among Hispanics.
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Post by Value Buy on May 11, 2016 9:18:32 GMT -5
What is the current lead of the Donald out there now?
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Post by djAdvocate on May 11, 2016 9:22:47 GMT -5
What is the current lead of the Donald out there now? if you are referring to the primary, before Cruz dropped out, DT lead him by double digits. i have not seen any HTH matchups with DT and HC.
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Post by happyhoix on May 11, 2016 10:55:32 GMT -5
So Trump has decided not to even try to pivot, but to stick to his outspoken, argumentative campaign style.
www.msn.com/en-us/news/politics/spurning-unity-trump-claims-%e2%80%98mandate%e2%80%99-to-be-provocative/ar-BBsUjsW?li=BBnb7Kz&ocid=iehp I get the feeling Trump believes he will automatically get 100% of the GOP voters to climb like good little GOP monkeys on the Trump Train because Trump is the winner, and winners take all.
I don't think he realizes that he pissed off a good number of the 40 - 60% of the GOP voters who did not vote for him in the primaries due to the shitty things he said about their candidates. Granted they probably won't vote for Hillary, but whether they vote 3rd party or just sit on their asses at him on voting day, they won't vote for Trump.
Trump either had to pivot to a kinder, more presidential persona to try to win the general, or he could stay his loud, obnoxious self and try to win that way, but I think either option was destined for failure. He galvanizes a certain segment of the voting public, but repels an equal number.
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Post by ken a.k.a OMK on May 11, 2016 11:09:59 GMT -5
Plenty of time for Trump to spew more hate.
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So Trump has decided not to even try to pivot, but to stick to his outspoken, argumentative campaign style.
www.msn.com/en-us/news/politics/spurning-unity-trump-claims-%e2%80%98mandate%e2%80%99-to-be-provocative/ar-BBsUjsW?li=BBnb7Kz&ocid=iehp I get the feeling Trump believes he will automatically get 100% of the GOP voters to climb like good little GOP monkeys on the Trump Train because Trump is the winner, and winners take all.
I don't think he realizes that he pissed off a good number of the 40 - 60% of the GOP voters who did not vote for him in the primaries due to the shitty things he said about their candidates. Granted they probably won't vote for Hillary, but whether they vote 3rd party or just sit on their asses at him on voting day, they won't vote for Trump.
Trump either had to pivot to a kinder, more presidential persona to try to win the general, or he could stay his loud, obnoxious self and try to win that way, but I think either option was destined for failure. He galvanizes a certain segment of the voting public, but repels an equal number.
Did you think his style would win him the nomination? I did not. I have no idea if it needs to change or not. He has always seemed like a clown to me.
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Post by Deleted on May 11, 2016 12:12:31 GMT -5
Either a lot of primary voters disagree with you, or have different standards and don't consider him an asshole. i am sure you have enough imagination to come up with more than two alternatives. Doesn't take "imagination" when looking at the numbers of people voting for him in the primary. They probably wouldn't vote for him if they considered him an asshole. I don't understand your usage of the word "imagination" in regards to my post. The post seemed simple enough.
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Post by AgeOfEnlightenmentSCP on May 11, 2016 12:47:53 GMT -5
This may be difficult for you to understand because you are an exception, but you transpose your own feelings and views on to others. This is a mistake. I don't fall for BS, either, but that's because I'm well trained. I don't share this information widely, but I'm a trained hypnotist. It's one reason I excel at my work- as an adjuster working for the insurance company, a big part of my job is conveying confidence to experts-- like engineers, and other knowledgeable people investigating a loss; AND I have to tell people things they don't wish to hear: shingles on your roof are slipping because when it was installed, the roofers over-drove the nails (through the shingles). We saw no storm damage. Construction defect, including improper installation, are not covered. You get the idea. I'm able to do this in such a way that the vast majority are accepting of my findings because I've already ensured that they feel like they know me, they like me, and they trust me. They believe I have their best interests at heart. They believe very strongly that I am there to assist them in any and every way that I can. Unfortunately, like them, I am bound by the policy. Just like when you accepted the policy, I also accepted the policy when I took this job.
Lol! So, are you lying to them, or abiding by the policies honestly? If you're abiding by the policies, then why do you need this "hypnotism"?
I have to apply the policy in ways they do not like: for example, you have a 1.5% wind and hail deductible. Maybe you're thinking, the $1,000 "all other perils" deductible applies. So, you're sitting there in your $256K house and I've got to tell you um, yeah your financial responsibility is $3,840 for the loss, not $1,000. I'm able to use certain techniques well beyond the usual, "I have no control over this" and "It's not my decision, I just work here". But the real fun starts when you get hit in March and again in April and I get to explain the additional damage is a separate claim, and your deductible applies again. Not only that, but assuming you haven't made repairs yet, we're going to write another estimate and when it's reviewed, all the previously paid for items are going to be excluded. Trust me when I tell you- I'm honest, but I'm honest in a way that these people will decide to let me live.
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Post by AgeOfEnlightenmentSCP on May 11, 2016 12:49:56 GMT -5
Paul, please do not jinx Trump. Play in the weeds here, but stay away from absolute victory talk.Trump has a ton of work to do to defeat Clinton. Little steps, please Donald J. Trump will win in a landslide in November. It is going to be bigger than Reagan 1984. I honestly can't think of a state he loses. Do not doubt me. Ever.
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Post by AgeOfEnlightenmentSCP on May 11, 2016 12:53:08 GMT -5
News article state, " Trump struggling to get GOP votes. In Nebraska he only received 60% In West Virginia he only received 75% Yeaaa, really struggling there, Did one of our left sided posters write this article?? Yeah- first it was all the GOP guys saying he was only getting 30-40% of the vote. Then he broke through 50%, then 60% (and I'll say it again: every single county in 5 states, and every single Congressional district in PA.) in a three-way race and now he's "struggling". It's deja vu all over again. It's the same thing I heard in June 2015.
I posted this thread for a reason.
There's something happening.
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Post by AgeOfEnlightenmentSCP on May 11, 2016 12:54:19 GMT -5
Just heard Trump may skip debates altogether.
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Post by Deleted on May 11, 2016 12:55:20 GMT -5
Paul, please do not jinx Trump. Play in the weeds here, but stay away from absolute victory talk.Trump has a ton of work to do to defeat Clinton. Little steps, please Donald J. Trump will win in a landslide in November. It is going to be bigger than Reagan 1984. I honestly can't think of a state he loses. Do not doubt me. Ever. Just think of Indiana in the primary.
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Post by AgeOfEnlightenmentSCP on May 11, 2016 12:59:03 GMT -5
I know this: Hillary can't close it out against a 74 year old Vermont socialist who didn't earn his first paycheck (and it was government work) until he was almost 40 years old. She's much weaker than anyone thinks. She is in heap big trouble.
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Post by dondub on May 11, 2016 13:11:09 GMT -5
a 74 year old Vermont socialist who didn't earn his first paycheck (and it was government work) until he was almost 40 years old.
Not even remotely true but it is in keeping with the posters 'style'.
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Post by happyhoix on May 11, 2016 13:25:12 GMT -5
Paul, please do not jinx Trump. Play in the weeds here, but stay away from absolute victory talk.Trump has a ton of work to do to defeat Clinton. Little steps, please Donald J. Trump will win in a landslide in November. It is going to be bigger than Reagan 1984. I honestly can't think of a state he loses. Do not doubt me. Ever. Well, you've jinxed him.
He'll lose for sure now.
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Post by happyhoix on May 11, 2016 13:26:53 GMT -5
Just heard Trump may skip debates altogether. I understand why he would want to. It's tricky to debate a woman - too aggressive and you turn people off, and if you get your ass whumped, everyone will say you lost to a woman.
Plus Trump has a habit of blurting out stuff in debates that he then has to retract the next day.
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Post by happyhoix on May 11, 2016 13:31:00 GMT -5
So Trump has decided not to even try to pivot, but to stick to his outspoken, argumentative campaign style.
www.msn.com/en-us/news/politics/spurning-unity-trump-claims-%e2%80%98mandate%e2%80%99-to-be-provocative/ar-BBsUjsW?li=BBnb7Kz&ocid=iehp I get the feeling Trump believes he will automatically get 100% of the GOP voters to climb like good little GOP monkeys on the Trump Train because Trump is the winner, and winners take all.
I don't think he realizes that he pissed off a good number of the 40 - 60% of the GOP voters who did not vote for him in the primaries due to the shitty things he said about their candidates. Granted they probably won't vote for Hillary, but whether they vote 3rd party or just sit on their asses at him on voting day, they won't vote for Trump.
Trump either had to pivot to a kinder, more presidential persona to try to win the general, or he could stay his loud, obnoxious self and try to win that way, but I think either option was destined for failure. He galvanizes a certain segment of the voting public, but repels an equal number.
Did you think his style would win him the nomination? I did not. I have no idea if it needs to change or not. He has always seemed like a clown to me. No, I don't think he can win either way.
If he continues with his arrogant, loud mouth, aggressive style it will thrill the segment of the GOP voters that elected him in the primary, but there are other GOP voters, plus the female and minority voters, who he will continue to alienate. He can't win with just the angry white male voter segment.
However if he ditches his current style and adopts a more formal, more presidential style he runs the risk of losing the voters that have gotten him this far in the process, and I doubt enough of the other voters would be lulled into forgetting his previous behavior to decide to vote for the 'new' Trump.
So I don't see him being successful using either tactic.
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