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Post by happyhoix on May 12, 2016 8:23:50 GMT -5
So I see Trump is considering having Gingrich as his VP.
Not sure that's a good choice, since Gingrich is from GA and Trump will pretty much have the South in his pocket right out of the gate, so it won't gain him any extra votes.
Trump is 69 and Gingrich is 72. I expected Trump to pick someone younger, to try to lure in some of the anguished youths currently flocking to Bernie.
Gingrich has been out of office since 1999 - not sure if that's a good thing or a bad thing for the ticket.
I have an irrational dislike of Gingrich's current wife because she reminds me of Lady Macbeth dressed up like a Stepford wife and she's scary in the same way that large plastic animatronic clowns or animals are scary. I realize that shouldn't influence what I think about Gingrich himself, though (except that he married her)
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Post by djAdvocate on May 12, 2016 9:43:24 GMT -5
i am sure you have enough imagination to come up with more than two alternatives. Doesn't take "imagination" when looking at the numbers of people voting for him in the primary. They probably wouldn't vote for him if they considered him an asshole. my bad. maybe you don't have enough imagination.
edit: let me help you out:
1) they might not realize he is an asshole 2) they might think who he is running against is a greater asshole 3) they might not care whether he is an asshole or not 4) they might be voting for him BECAUSE he is an asshole.
need more? i am sure i can come up with a few.
I don't understand your usage of the word "imagination" in regards to my post. The post seemed simple enough. so does my reply.
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Post by djAdvocate on May 12, 2016 9:44:30 GMT -5
Paul, please do not jinx Trump. Play in the weeds here, but stay away from absolute victory talk.Trump has a ton of work to do to defeat Clinton. Little steps, please Donald J. Trump will win in a landslide in November. It is going to be bigger than Reagan 1984. I honestly can't think of a state he loses. Do not doubt me. Ever. you weren't happy with your epic blunder in 2012, so you are upping the ante?
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Post by djAdvocate on May 12, 2016 9:46:23 GMT -5
Just heard Trump may skip debates altogether. I understand why he would want to. It's tricky to debate a woman - too aggressive and you turn people off, and if you get your ass whumped, everyone will say you lost to a woman.
Plus Trump has a habit of blurting out stuff in debates that he then has to retract the next day.
correction. he never "retracts" anything, and he never apologizes. he just shifts.
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Post by happyhoix on May 12, 2016 10:59:31 GMT -5
I understand why he would want to. It's tricky to debate a woman - too aggressive and you turn people off, and if you get your ass whumped, everyone will say you lost to a woman.
Plus Trump has a habit of blurting out stuff in debates that he then has to retract the next day.
correction. he never "retracts" anything, and he never apologizes. he just shifts. That's true. He claims everyone misunderstood his statement and restates it in a totally different way and then claims that's what he meant all along.
That's what you have to do when you're flying by the seat of your pants, steering your campaign based on how the voters respond to your outbursts, rather than having a set of principles to guide you.
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Post by Deleted on May 12, 2016 11:54:43 GMT -5
Doesn't take "imagination" when looking at the numbers of people voting for him in the primary. They probably wouldn't vote for him if they considered him an asshole. my bad. maybe you don't have enough imagination.
edit: let me help you out:
1) they might not realize he is an asshole 2) they might think who he is running against is a greater asshole 3) they might not care whether he is an asshole or not 4) they might be voting for him BECAUSE he is an asshole.
need more? i am sure i can come up with a few.
I don't understand your usage of the word "imagination" in regards to my post. The post seemed simple enough. so does my reply. You imagine Trump is an asshole ?
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Post by Opti on May 12, 2016 12:00:52 GMT -5
correction. he never "retracts" anything, and he never apologizes. he just shifts. That's true. He claims everyone misunderstood his statement and restates it in a totally different way and then claims that's what he meant all along.
That's what you have to do when you're flying by the seat of your pants, steering your campaign based on how the voters respond to your outbursts, rather than having a set of principles to guide you.
Honestly I don't think he's flying by the seat of his pants. I believe this is his personality and its worked for him especially since The Apprentice. I've read a little about his early life. He's probably been a narcissist, unwilling to apologize or make nice, for possibly his entire life. Why would he change now, especially when it works on so many people?
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Post by Pants on May 12, 2016 12:36:54 GMT -5
Donald J. Trump will win in a landslide in November. It is going to be bigger than Reagan 1984. I honestly can't think of a state he loses. Do not doubt me. Ever. Well, you've jinxed him.
He'll lose for sure now.
I mean, you think Paul would be right some of the time. I mean, statistically, right...?
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Post by happyhoix on May 12, 2016 12:39:41 GMT -5
Or, there is work to do on Trump's part to get in line with what Ryan and the GOP leadership in Congress expect from a conservative GOP POTUS candidate.
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Post by djAdvocate on May 12, 2016 12:42:54 GMT -5
You imagine Trump is an asshole ? as you would say, it doesn't take much imagination.
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Post by happyhoix on May 12, 2016 12:53:00 GMT -5
Trump is hemming and hawing about releasing his taxes. First he said not before the election, now he's saying maybe.
For the last 40 years, candidates from both parties have released theirs prior to the election.
Do you think his hesitation is because:
1) He isn't as rich as he pretends to be, because when he states his net worth he is fluffing the total with some of his business's income
2) Despite raging against overseas tax shelters, he uses overseas tax shelters
3) Despite bragging about making sizable donations to charities (which can't be validated) he hasn't
4) They contain some affiliations with some unsavory (e.g. mobbed up) businesses
IMHO I think it's primarily number 1 - for a man like Trump, money is the single most important measure of a man. If it turns out he's over inflated his wealth, that seriously undermines his main reason for people to vote for him - that he can make the country as rich and successful as he is.
However, I also suspect there is some number 3 (apparently there is no record of Trump donating heavily to any charity) and number 4 (definitely some mob connections from his construction business).
In a way, I don't blame him - who thinks their taxes will be made public. If he was a career politician, he would have been a lot more careful over the last decade or so to make sure his tax returns would stand scrutiny. But hey, he wanted to play with the big dogs, he can't whine now about getting bit.
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Post by Deleted on May 12, 2016 13:01:10 GMT -5
Trump is hemming and hawing about releasing his taxes. First he said not before the election, now he's saying maybe.
For the last 40 years, candidates from both parties have released theirs prior to the election.
Do you think his hesitation is because:
1) He isn't as rich as he pretends to be, because when he states his net worth he is fluffing the total with some of his business's income
2) Despite raging against overseas tax shelters, he uses overseas tax shelters
3) Despite bragging about making sizable donations to charities (which can't be validated) he hasn't
4) They contain some affiliations with some unsavory (e.g. mobbed up) businesses
IMHO I think it's primarily number 1 - for a man like Trump, money is the single most important measure of a man. If it turns out he's over inflated his wealth, that seriously undermines his main reason for people to vote for him - that he can make the country as rich and successful as he is.
However, I also suspect there is some number 3 (apparently there is no record of Trump donating heavily to any charity) and number 4 (definitely some mob connections from his construction business).
In a way, I don't blame him - who thinks their taxes will be made public. If he was a career politician, he would have been a lot more careful over the last decade or so to make sure his tax returns would stand scrutiny. But hey, he wanted to play with the big dogs, he can't whine now about getting bit.
You left out one reason. He might not make them public because he doesn't have to. Just because other politicians jumped off that cliff (Hilary included), doesn't mean he will. He doesn't seem big on following other peoples standards.
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Post by djAdvocate on May 12, 2016 13:03:10 GMT -5
Trump is hemming and hawing about releasing his taxes. First he said not before the election, now he's saying maybe.
For the last 40 years, candidates from both parties have released theirs prior to the election.
Do you think his hesitation is because:
1) He isn't as rich as he pretends to be, because when he states his net worth he is fluffing the total with some of his business's income
2) Despite raging against overseas tax shelters, he uses overseas tax shelters
3) Despite bragging about making sizable donations to charities (which can't be validated) he hasn't
4) They contain some affiliations with some unsavory (e.g. mobbed up) businesses
IMHO I think it's primarily number 1 - for a man like Trump, money is the single most important measure of a man. If it turns out he's over inflated his wealth, that seriously undermines his main reason for people to vote for him - that he can make the country as rich and successful as he is.
However, I also suspect there is some number 3 (apparently there is no record of Trump donating heavily to any charity) and number 4 (definitely some mob connections from his construction business).
In a way, I don't blame him - who thinks their taxes will be made public. If he was a career politician, he would have been a lot more careful over the last decade or so to make sure his tax returns would stand scrutiny. But hey, he wanted to play with the big dogs, he can't whine now about getting bit.
You left out one reason. He might not make them public because he doesn't have to. Just because other politicians jumped off that cliff (Hilary included), doesn't mean he will. he has broken almost every rule so far- so why not this one?
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Post by Deleted on May 12, 2016 13:04:02 GMT -5
You left out one reason. He might not make them public because he doesn't have to. Just because other politicians jumped off that cliff (Hilary included), doesn't mean he will. he has broken almost every rule so far- so why not this one? Rule ?
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Post by djAdvocate on May 12, 2016 13:08:31 GMT -5
he has broken almost every rule so far- so why not this one? Rule ? i knew you would ask that. i was speaking metaphorically, of course.
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Post by happyhoix on May 12, 2016 13:10:03 GMT -5
he has broken almost every rule so far- so why not this one? Rule ? Every POTUS in the last forty years has made their tax returns public information, in the interests of transparency (e.g. to show they have nothing to hide).
While it isn't a rule that candidates must post it, you have to admit, if one of the candidates refuses to post his, the suspicion automatically arises that he must have something to hide, because if he didn't, he would post it.
It might be hard for him to convince people that he's a renegade bucking the normal political process and championing the common man - and by the way he also wants to buck the normal political process and keep his tax returns secret because, you know, he's bucking the normal process, everything is fabulous, it's so marvelous, it will be the most marvelous thing ever, etc etc.
Even his most devoted followers might sniff some l'eau de bullshit there.
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Post by Value Buy on May 12, 2016 13:11:45 GMT -5
Trump is hemming and hawing about releasing his taxes. First he said not before the election, now he's saying maybe.
For the last 40 years, candidates from both parties have released theirs prior to the election.
Do you think his hesitation is because:
1) He isn't as rich as he pretends to be, because when he states his net worth he is fluffing the total with some of his business's income
2) Despite raging against overseas tax shelters, he uses overseas tax shelters
3) Despite bragging about making sizable donations to charities (which can't be validated) he hasn't
4) They contain some affiliations with some unsavory (e.g. mobbed up) businesses
IMHO I think it's primarily number 1 - for a man like Trump, money is the single most important measure of a man. If it turns out he's over inflated his wealth, that seriously undermines his main reason for people to vote for him - that he can make the country as rich and successful as he is.
However, I also suspect there is some number 3 (apparently there is no record of Trump donating heavily to any charity) and number 4 (definitely some mob connections from his construction business).
In a way, I don't blame him - who thinks their taxes will be made public. If he was a career politician, he would have been a lot more careful over the last decade or so to make sure his tax returns would stand scrutiny. But hey, he wanted to play with the big dogs, he can't whine now about getting bit.
Unless they are contributing money to the Communist party or foreign dictators, I never understood why it was so important to release tax returns. This is your ultimate area of privacy, even if you are running for the Presidency.
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Post by Deleted on May 12, 2016 13:12:19 GMT -5
i knew you would ask that. i was speaking metaphorically, of course. I'll be back tomorrow to watch this video you posted. Time to head into town and shop. DW's orders.
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Post by djAdvocate on May 12, 2016 13:36:08 GMT -5
i knew you would ask that. i was speaking metaphorically, of course. I'll be back tomorrow to watch this video you posted. Time to head into town and shop. DW's orders. it's not that important. trust me.
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Post by happyhoix on May 12, 2016 14:58:42 GMT -5
Trump is hemming and hawing about releasing his taxes. First he said not before the election, now he's saying maybe.
For the last 40 years, candidates from both parties have released theirs prior to the election.
Do you think his hesitation is because:
1) He isn't as rich as he pretends to be, because when he states his net worth he is fluffing the total with some of his business's income
2) Despite raging against overseas tax shelters, he uses overseas tax shelters
3) Despite bragging about making sizable donations to charities (which can't be validated) he hasn't
4) They contain some affiliations with some unsavory (e.g. mobbed up) businesses
IMHO I think it's primarily number 1 - for a man like Trump, money is the single most important measure of a man. If it turns out he's over inflated his wealth, that seriously undermines his main reason for people to vote for him - that he can make the country as rich and successful as he is.
However, I also suspect there is some number 3 (apparently there is no record of Trump donating heavily to any charity) and number 4 (definitely some mob connections from his construction business).
In a way, I don't blame him - who thinks their taxes will be made public. If he was a career politician, he would have been a lot more careful over the last decade or so to make sure his tax returns would stand scrutiny. But hey, he wanted to play with the big dogs, he can't whine now about getting bit.
Unless they are contributing money to the Communist party or foreign dictators, I never understood why it was so important to release tax returns. This is your ultimate area of privacy, even if you are running for the Presidency. I agree, it shouldn't need to be released. It ought to stay private.
However, for the last forty years, candidates have released it. It can't help but make Trump look shifty if he refuses to do the same.
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Post by ken a.k.a OMK on May 12, 2016 15:06:53 GMT -5
IMO Trump won't release his tax returns because he's hiding something. He lied telling us he couldn't because he's being audited. A while back the head of the IRS said they belong to him, Trump, and he can release them anytime he wants.
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Post by thyme4change on May 12, 2016 16:18:36 GMT -5
I haven't read this whole thread, and I don't usually talk politics so I haven't had any soul searching on this, but is the Republican party favoring Hillary over Trump? Is their theory to just concede this election, have a known entity and just blame Hillary for everything and hope to regroup in 4 years?
Do you think they will learn anything and asked people why the candidates they have been offering up are not winning? Maybe we don't want a president whose #1 purpose is to outlaw being a woman, or whatever Cruz thinks us vaginal - Americans should be doing
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Post by billisonboard on May 12, 2016 16:30:46 GMT -5
... is the Republican party favoring Hillary over Trump? ... One major issue is who/what exactly is "the Republican Party". Is it this group: Republican National Committee? Members of these groups? Or the guy down the block who declares at every opportunity, "I am a Republican"?
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Post by thyme4change on May 12, 2016 16:38:02 GMT -5
True. I guess I am wondering what all these people who are choosing to 'not endorse Trump' think is going to happen. Maybe it is just self preservation, but the number of viable alternatives to a Trump presidency are pretty limited. If they are standing against one, it seems like they are recommending the other.
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Post by billisonboard on May 12, 2016 17:00:57 GMT -5
True. I guess I am wondering what all these people who are choosing to 'not endorse Trump' think is going to happen. Maybe it is just self preservation, but the number of viable alternatives to a Trump presidency are pretty limited. If they are standing against one, it seems like they are recommending the other. Trump sees himself as the master when it comes to the "Art of the Deal". Why would someone like Paul Ryan give this deal maker his endorsement for free? I don't doubt it will come after some negotiations.
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Post by thyme4change on May 12, 2016 19:16:05 GMT -5
Ah. That makes more sense. We will see what happens next.
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Post by Value Buy on May 12, 2016 19:26:33 GMT -5
My personal belief on the Trump refusal to release federal tax return release? 1. He is not a big donation type of guy, and would be embarrassed by the exposure. 2. Being a developer, he takes advantage of all the deductions available, and pays a very small percentage intaxes. Legal, but embarrassing
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Post by AgeOfEnlightenmentSCP on May 12, 2016 21:08:43 GMT -5
Trump's tax returns are just another non-issue. A flinging of mud up onto the wall by people that don't like him. My feeling on this has been the same for years: It's none of your damn business. It's not required, and it is an inappropriate demand. Another reason (if not THE reason) I like the www.fairtax.org - we get rid of the tax code, we get rid of the IRS. Taxes are collected ONLY when you SPEND money- we would END the taxation of the production of income, savings, and investment; and shift to a system where taxes are collected anonymously- nobody has to "file" shit.
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