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Post by AgeOfEnlightenmentSCP on May 9, 2016 22:20:51 GMT -5
Do you expect the Bush team to admit they were wrong about Iraq? Are they "standing on principle" or trying to prevent the election of a president whose policies might repudiate a 15 year long war started by Bush, that cost $4.7 trillion, and thousands of lives, tens of thousands of injuries?
Do you realize 2008 was supposed to be the election of such a President?
do YOU realize that I've already stated that "Make America Great Again" is 2016 Hope and Change?
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Post by tallguy on May 9, 2016 22:30:54 GMT -5
That seems like a complete non sequitur. You want to maybe tie that to something in the article I cited, so we know specifically what wrong-headed thing to respond to? Nope. And I don't have to. And that is my point. Nice to see then that you are as on point as ever.
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Post by AgeOfEnlightenmentSCP on May 9, 2016 22:40:08 GMT -5
Nope. And I don't have to. And that is my point. Nice to see then that you are as on point as ever. You have to admit that there's substance to my argument, though. You take with a grain of salt the attacks, or lack of support for a candidate by someone who has been vanquished by that candidate. It is true (on paper at least) that W is the most popular name in the Republican Party. That being said, Little Jebby couldn't get past 7% in an actual vote count. I think that says more about where the party is on the Bush family name than anything. So, is it not natural to scorn the guy that helped put the Bush name in the basement?
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Post by billisonboard on May 9, 2016 23:03:50 GMT -5
... Trump ... November landslide. ... Does it scare you at all that if you are correct, this man will be the President of the United States of America?
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Post by tallguy on May 9, 2016 23:04:55 GMT -5
Nice to see then that you are as on point as ever. You have to admit that there's substance to my argument, though. You take with a grain of salt the attacks, or lack of support for a candidate by someone who has been vanquished by that candidate. It is true (on paper at least) that W is the most popular name in the Republican Party. That being said, Little Jebby couldn't get past 7% in an actual vote count. I think that says more about where the party is on the Bush family name than anything. So, is it not natural to scorn the guy that helped put the Bush name in the basement? Actually, I am mystified. You quoted me originally, ostensibly meaning that you were responding to the article I cited. Nothing you posted is in any way relevant to that article.
The article was from foxnews.com, written by David Meyers:
It concerned the illegitimacy and unsuitability of Trump as a candidate and the inadvisability of Republicans supporting him. The only reference to Bush at all was the author's conviction from being around him for three years that, while GWB's actions may have been questionable or wrong, his intentions were honorable. The author does not have and has never had anything to do with Jeb or his campaign, nor has he worked in Washington for several years. His apparent complaint is that the party as a whole is not concerned with what is right or good, but only with getting and holding power. And that support for such an incredibly flawed, unqualified, and dangerous candidate as Trump demonstrates that in spades.
So again, if you can show some relevance to your initial response... (and no, you can spare us the ridiculous, conspiratorial, revenge-filled narrative you have apparently been nursing here....)
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Post by Opti on May 9, 2016 23:09:52 GMT -5
Nice to see then that you are as on point as ever. You have to admit that there's substance to my argument, though. You take with a grain of salt the attacks, or lack of support for a candidate by someone who has been vanquished by that candidate. It is true (on paper at least) that W is the most popular name in the Republican Party. That being said, Little Jebby couldn't get past 7% in an actual vote count. I think that says more about where the party is on the Bush family name than anything. So, is it not natural to scorn the guy that helped put the Bush name in the basement?
Jeb took himself out from the beginning. I don't think most folks have based their like or dislike of Trump based on the fact he did better than Jeb. The political tide was against Jeb from the start. Hard for me to give much if any credit to Trump on Jeb not finishing well.
I bet most of us scorn Trump simply based on his behavior, especially during this campaign.
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Post by djAdvocate on May 9, 2016 23:23:31 GMT -5
it is a measure of party enthusiasm, and it does help in the GE. but here is the most important thing: Democrats and Republicans are a distant second and third to Independents, many of whom didn't even vote in the primary. it would be interesting to see a breakdown of independent voters in the primary, but i have not seen one, yet. We'll find out where they go, but Romney won independents handily. If it's Sanders- nope. We'll see if independents break for a thoroughly corrupt, America-hating Alinkyite member of the establishment in an anti-establishment year, that but for "super delegates" would be gone already, in an anti-establishment year. Or maybe they've had e-fucking-nough, and they wake up and figure out they've actually got a champion? first of all, Hillary is winning on PLEDGED delegates, OK? so, to say that she would be gone is just thickheaded.
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Post by djAdvocate on May 9, 2016 23:28:33 GMT -5
once i eliminated your personal remarks, this is what was left. Trump talks a lot about those issues, but has almost no concrete proposals to fix them- and the ones he does have are utterly atrocious. Something else I like about Trump. This stupid canard that _________________________(fill in GOP candidate) has no concrete proposals to fix them. It's ALWAYS horseshit- and that's leaving out the fact that not every goofy liberal idea needs a counter proposal. Sometimes, the answer is: NO! Trump has put out PLENTY of detailed, substantive proposals. there were many candidates that offered quite detailed proposals. Trump is not one of them. his tax plan is abysmal. his wall idea has no details or costs associated with it whatsoever (other than the ridiculous idea that it would be built by Mexico). he has yet to show us exactly how he would get rid of 11M migrants, and what we would do to replace them. no, Paul. you are making a claim that is utterly false about critics of Trump. we actually have looked into his positions, and found them wanting.
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Post by tallguy on May 9, 2016 23:32:18 GMT -5
Utterly vacuous. Even some of what he HAS put out there he acknowledges aren't real, but to be negotiated later.
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Post by djAdvocate on May 9, 2016 23:41:34 GMT -5
Utterly vacuous. Even some of what he HAS put out there he acknowledges aren't real, but to be negotiated later. i am so fucking sick of him saying "i will put the best team together and....." that i want to slap him every time he says it, now. as far as i can tell, he doesn't have a team. he has himself and his ego. that is why things like Trump Mortgage and Trump Steaks happened- because he had NOBODY to tell him how foolish and reckless those ideas were.
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Post by tallguy on May 9, 2016 23:43:47 GMT -5
I can't say for certain that there is ANYTHING that the man actually believes in. Other than his own greatness, of course.
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Post by Value Buy on May 10, 2016 6:12:08 GMT -5
Not sure why Hillary's jacket bothers VB so much. Not my style, but don't see anything bad about it.
I think it is the image on the back : Sorry, Billisonboard, I had some flashbacks from the Nude pool thread, thinking about Hillary being topless, with leather bottom pants walking around the pool edge. Sort of sidetracked me. Then again, get a full picture of her sitting in a chair being interviewed on CBS Sunday morning in the leather, post it, and it is simply a little scary........ I could visualize her doing a Nazi salute to her fans at a rally in front of her. All 200 of them.
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Post by Value Buy on May 10, 2016 6:17:53 GMT -5
Latest Quinipac polls are interesting Florida Hillary 43% Trump 42% Pennsylvania, same percentages. Ohio Trump is winning 43% to 39% Granted this is early, but does suggest this race is up for grabs by either candidate.
These are all swing states. Both nominees need these states to win, if, basically other states stay pretty much status quo. What happened to that 13% Clinton lead? Will we see another election where one candidate will win the popular vote, and the other candidate wins the Electoral vote?
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Post by Value Buy on May 10, 2016 6:19:23 GMT -5
Ohio baby! The one that got away from him because of Kasich. Add Indiana and possibly New Jersey, and maybe Michigan, and Trump does it.
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Post by Tennesseer on May 10, 2016 6:57:59 GMT -5
I think it is the image on the back : Sorry, Billisonboard, I had some flashbacks from the Nude pool thread, thinking about Hillary being topless, with leather bottom pants walking around the pool edge. Sort of sidetracked me. Then again, get a full picture of her sitting in a chair being interviewed on CBS Sunday morning in the leather, post it, and it is simply a little scary........ I could visualize her doing a Nazi salute to her fans at a rally in front of her. All 200 of them. Like this Trump rally?
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Post by happyhoix on May 10, 2016 7:21:43 GMT -5
Utterly vacuous. Even some of what he HAS put out there he acknowledges aren't real, but to be negotiated later. i am so fucking sick of him saying "i will put the best team together and....." that i want to slap him every time he says it, now. as far as i can tell, he doesn't have a team. he has himself and his ego. that is why things like Trump Mortgage and Trump Steaks happened- because he had NOBODY to tell him how foolish and reckless those ideas were. Trumps' business model has been to launch things out there and see if they sink or swim. He has admitted in his book that he loves making these initial 'deals' but is uninterested in the long term attention it takes to get each venture established. Kind of the Darwin approach to business.
Which is fine, if you own the business, if you can afford a certain number of your schemes to flop coming out of the gate, and if you have an ego capable of glossing over those business turds.
Not fine, however, when you're faced with massive undertakings like managing social security or the national debt. It's one thing that his failed Trump University scammed a few middle class people out of their retirement savings - it's a whole other thing if his short sighted 'deal' for Medicaid leaves all our seniors with no healthcare.
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Post by Deleted on May 10, 2016 9:16:13 GMT -5
Ohio baby! The one that got away from him because of Kasich. Add Indiana and possibly New Jersey, and maybe Michigan, and Trump does it. But Ohio had the biggest movement to Sanders from Trump and Someone Else of the three. There are certain aspects that won't be settled until the Dem nomination is settled.
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Post by djAdvocate on May 10, 2016 9:53:44 GMT -5
Ohio baby! The one that got away from him because of Kasich. Add Indiana and possibly New Jersey, and maybe Michigan, and Trump does it. the GOP pretty much HAS to win Ohio. Hillary doesn't.
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Post by djAdvocate on May 10, 2016 9:55:08 GMT -5
i am so fucking sick of him saying "i will put the best team together and....." that i want to slap him every time he says it, now. as far as i can tell, he doesn't have a team. he has himself and his ego. that is why things like Trump Mortgage and Trump Steaks happened- because he had NOBODY to tell him how foolish and reckless those ideas were. Trumps' business model has been to launch things out there and see if they sink or swim. He has admitted in his book that he loves making these initial 'deals' but is uninterested in the long term attention it takes to get each venture established. Kind of the Darwin approach to business.
Which is fine, if you own the business, if you can afford a certain number of your schemes to flop coming out of the gate, and if you have an ego capable of glossing over those business turds.
Not fine, however, when you're faced with massive undertakings like managing social security or the national debt. It's one thing that his failed Trump University scammed a few middle class people out of their retirement savings - it's a whole other thing if his short sighted 'deal' for Medicaid leaves all our seniors with no healthcare.
..........................or a 100 year war that we should have never started.
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Post by djAdvocate on May 10, 2016 9:56:47 GMT -5
Then again, get a full picture of her sitting in a chair being interviewed on CBS Sunday morning in the leather, post it, and it is simply a little scary........ I could visualize her doing a Nazi salute to her fans at a rally in front of her. All 200 of them. i associate leather goods more with anarchism than fascism.
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Post by happyhoix on May 10, 2016 10:12:31 GMT -5
Then again, get a full picture of her sitting in a chair being interviewed on CBS Sunday morning in the leather, post it, and it is simply a little scary........ I could visualize her doing a Nazi salute to her fans at a rally in front of her. All 200 of them. i associate leather goods more with anarchism than fascism. I associate it with S and M.
I guess that shows where my mind stays - in the gutter.
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Post by Opti on May 10, 2016 11:21:59 GMT -5
That's kind of odd. I don't think Hitler was known for wearing leather let alone a leather jacket with that cut. I wear a black leather blazer as a jacket frequently in spring and fall weather. If its cold, I wear it as a blazer at work or church. Something like the below, although I'm usually wearing something white or bright colored shirt wise. I don't get the black leather jacket bias. Its not even a mock motorcycle jacket.
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Post by Opti on May 10, 2016 11:26:07 GMT -5
Clothing wise, I think Trump's style is closer to Hitler than Hillary's will ever be.
Does this mean the thread is sunk now that Hitler has been mentioned?
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Post by Value Buy on May 10, 2016 19:03:51 GMT -5
Ohio baby! The one that got away from him because of Kasich. Add Indiana and possibly New Jersey, and maybe Michigan, and Trump does it. the GOP pretty much HAS to win Ohio. Hillary doesn't. Pennsylvania Florida Ohio Both candidates have to win two of the three to win in the fall. All three are too close to call as of this week. I mistakenly listed Trump as leading Clinton in Ohio, 45 to 43. It was Trump 43% Clinton 39%
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Post by Value Buy on May 10, 2016 19:06:07 GMT -5
News bulletin! Trump takes West Virginia!
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Post by djAdvocate on May 10, 2016 20:42:32 GMT -5
That's kind of odd. I don't think Hitler was known for wearing leather let alone a leather jacket with that cut. I wear a black leather blazer as a jacket frequently in spring and fall weather. If its cold, I wear it as a blazer at work or church. Something like the below, although I'm usually wearing something white or bright colored shirt wise. I don't get the black leather jacket bias. Its not even a mock motorcycle jacket.
i think leather looks great on women. actually, i think it looks great on most animals.
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Post by djAdvocate on May 10, 2016 20:43:55 GMT -5
the GOP pretty much HAS to win Ohio. Hillary doesn't. Pennsylvania Florida Ohio Both candidates have to win two of the three to win in the fall. All three are too close to call as of this week. I mistakenly listed Trump as leading Clinton in Ohio, 45 to 43. It was Trump 43% Clinton 39% neither candidate is going to win with 43%.
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Post by AgeOfEnlightenmentSCP on May 10, 2016 22:17:22 GMT -5
Pennsylvania Florida Ohio Both candidates have to win two of the three to win in the fall. All three are too close to call as of this week. I mistakenly listed Trump as leading Clinton in Ohio, 45 to 43. It was Trump 43% Clinton 39% neither candidate is going to win with 43%. All of this assumes a standard election where the GOP begins by surrendering CA, OR, WA, NV, CO, NM, MN, IA, WI, IL, MI, VA, NY, NJ, MA, CT, VT, NH, ME, RI, DE and then has to go scrounging around for electoral votes in nail biter elections in a handful of swing states. What if the Timber industry in OR decides- screw this shit? What if WI (where a VERY popular GOP governor has won three elections- including a bitter recall election, each by a bigger margin than the last) goes Trump? What if the entire rust belt falls like dominoes for the Make America Great Again slogan? For example- what if MI, a state decimated by the macroeconomic trends Trump has successfully blamed on NAFTA, the home of Dearbornistan, and which basically represents the end result of liberal policies decides it's FINALLY time to give it to a Republican? And let's talk about the shit that truly doesn't matter, and what does: The Hispanic vote doesn't matter. Let's just be honest about it for a second. The Hispanic vote cannot hurt a Republican, because there isn't a Republican out there that could win enough of the Hispanic vote to make a difference. Romney could not have won with 40% of the Hispanic vote- or even a majority of the Hispanic vote. www.bloomberg.com/view/articles/2015-12-29/republicans-don-t-need-a-lot-of-hispanic-votersWhite Male voters matter. In fact, they're the ONLY demographic that matters if a candidate really wants to win. This isn't racist or any of that bullshit, so just can it. It's math. Hillary Clinton has a HUGE gender gap problem: male voters in general don't like her, and white males are essentially #NeverCankles in YUGE numbers. In fact, the Democratic Party as a whole has a massive gender gap problem with men: observer.com/2016/04/democrats-have-a-serious-male-voter-problem/Hillary Clinton also doesn't energize black voters- especially, again, men. Trump, on the other hand has the potential to draw black voters (remember Van Jone's admonition) and he doesn't need many: 3% to 7% depending on the state. All of the conventional wisdom is that Trump is radioactive, that he's alienated huge portions of the GOP, the party is split- he can't win conservative, he's alienated women, Hispanics, etc. The reality is that Hillary continuing to lose to a 74 year old socialist from Vermont with no name recognition, and no money is revealing about just how weak she truly is. And I've already posted the hard numbers from those Tree House people-- who are the only people that have called it since June. The only ones.
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