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Post by djAdvocate on Feb 11, 2016 14:13:07 GMT -5
not quite. but close. it is kinda the "negative" of that: but i won't keep anyone guessing. it is one thing to protest when you think there will be no consequences. it is quite another to put your ass/party on the line for it. Voters in BOTH parties seem to be willing to put the country at risk to express being pissed off. While we're speaking of "bets" people may or may not be willing to make- I would say that the establishment is betting the voters won't ultimately do that. The real caveat on the Democrat side is that there are truly no good viable options. You have a dangerous criminal and a socialist as the two most viable candidates. On the GOP side, there are plenty of alternatives to Trump who I see as, at best, a wildcard pick. totally true. but i think you are still missing the point. it is FUN to play GAMES in politics. for a while. then you end up with Paul Lapage, or Michelle Bachmann, or Marion Barry. then it has real consequences. my hope, for every voter: think ahead. don't let your rage get the best of you. be brave. fear leads to anger. anger leads to hate. hate leads to suffering.
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Post by AgeOfEnlightenmentSCP on Feb 18, 2016 8:44:37 GMT -5
if Trump could really do something about the things he says, he would be great president. But I'm kind of like my husband, why would a billionaire go against his own best interests. I would love to see a lot of what he says happen, but just skeptical.
The rest of the repubs are even more scarey. Hillary may be ok, but tarnished and I like Bernie but we can't afford all he wants to do, not without someone paying taxes.
I don't feel sorry for the top 1%, if they were actually creating jobs HERE and letting the wealth trickle down the rest would have more money to pay in more taxes. Not gonna' happen. I don't have Trump derangement syndrome. I'm going to vote for him in the general election, and I know he's a liberal. I know he's probably pro-choice, and I know that he will probably grant amnesty to millions of illegal aliens. He worries me on trade, but he does business all over the world so I don't think he's going to implement half that shit- plus, there's congress. Here's my reasoning: 1. He's not Hillary Clinton or Bernie Sanders 2. I believe he WILL oust the CRIMINAL aliens, and I think he'll actually implement a management system at the border and end the total chaos. He'll make legal immigration easier for the people we actually want coming here- and that's the pro-immigration position I hold. 3. I believe that while he holds liberal views, he is basically a-political. He's a pragmatist and a problem solver- the quintessential moderate. As such, if it makes sense (and conservative ideas are the definition of good sense) he'll do it. 4. He's a patriot, and in no way views the job of government as "managing the decline". 5. He won't downsize government on principle- like Ted Cruz getting RID of the IRS, and the Dept of Ed which is what we really need to do-- but he will be an effective manager of big government, and he'll find and appoint effective people. This will mean a certain natural downsizing of government, and a powerful executive will have the effect of culling and checking the illegal, unConstitutional fourth branch of government: the un-elected, unaccountable administrative branch.
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Post by djAdvocate on Feb 18, 2016 10:03:59 GMT -5
not quite. but close. it is kinda the "negative" of that: but i won't keep anyone guessing. it is one thing to protest when you think there will be no consequences. it is quite another to put your ass/party on the line for it. Voters in BOTH parties seem to be willing to put the country at risk to express being pissed off. While we're speaking of "bets" people may or may not be willing to make- I would say that the establishment is betting the voters won't ultimately do that. The real caveat on the Democrat side is that there are truly no good viable options. You have a dangerous criminal and a socialist as the two most viable candidates. On the GOP side, there are plenty of alternatives to Trump who I see as, at best, a wildcard pick. i don't think Clinton is particularly criminal, and i don't think Bernie is particularly socialist.
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Post by djAdvocate on Feb 18, 2016 10:05:02 GMT -5
if Trump could really do something about the things he says, he would be great president. But I'm kind of like my husband, why would a billionaire go against his own best interests. I would love to see a lot of what he says happen, but just skeptical.
The rest of the repubs are even more scarey. Hillary may be ok, but tarnished and I like Bernie but we can't afford all he wants to do, not without someone paying taxes.
I don't feel sorry for the top 1%, if they were actually creating jobs HERE and letting the wealth trickle down the rest would have more money to pay in more taxes. Not gonna' happen. I don't have Trump derangement syndrome. I'm going to vote for him in the general election, and I know he's a liberal. I know he's probably pro-choice, and I know that he will probably grant amnesty to millions of illegal aliens. He worries me on trade, but he does business all over the world so I don't think he's going to implement half that shit- plus, there's congress. Here's my reasoning: 1. He's not Hillary Clinton or Bernie Sanders 2. I believe he WILL oust the CRIMINAL aliens, and I think he'll actually implement a management system at the border and end the total chaos. He'll make legal immigration easier for the people we actually want coming here- and that's the pro-immigration position I hold. 3. I believe that while he holds liberal views, he is basically a-political. He's a pragmatist and a problem solver- the quintessential moderate. As such, if it makes sense (and conservative ideas are the definition of good sense) he'll do it. 4. He's a patriot, and in no way views the job of government as "managing the decline". 5. He won't downsize government on principle- like Ted Cruz getting RID of the IRS, and the Dept of Ed which is what we really need to do-- but he will be an effective manager of big government, and he'll find and appoint effective people. This will mean a certain natural downsizing of government, and a powerful executive will have the effect of culling and checking the illegal, unConstitutional fourth branch of government: the un-elected, unaccountable administrative branch. Trump is no patriot, imo. he is a jive talking hater.
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Post by Virgil Showlion on Feb 18, 2016 10:07:09 GMT -5
One of the things people don't realize is that those "nice Scandinavian countries" are in many respects less socialistic than America, and becoming less socialistic still as time passes. in what respect? They're significantly more business-friendly than the US. Tighter property rights, less red tape, lower corporate taxes for start-ups, and greater freedom of trade. Other respects: www.cato.org/publications/commentary/united-states-already-least-socialist-denmarkOne of the things it mentions in the article I'll quote here simply because many people don't recognize how absurdly different America is from Denmark in terms of homogeneity: Denmark is a perfect example of a homogenous polity with a large welfare state. Of the 5.7 million people who live in Denmark, 88 percent are of Danish (Nordic) descent and 78 percent belong to the Danish Lutheran Church.
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Post by djAdvocate on Feb 18, 2016 10:19:42 GMT -5
They're significantly more business-friendly than the US. Tighter property rights, less red tape, lower corporate taxes for start-ups, and greater freedom of trade. Other respects: www.cato.org/publications/commentary/united-states-already-least-socialist-denmarkOne of the things it mentions in the article I'll quote here simply because many people don't recognize how absurdly different America is from Denmark in terms of homogeneity: Denmark is a perfect example of a homogenous polity with a large welfare state. Of the 5.7 million people who live in Denmark, 88 percent are of Danish (Nordic) descent and 78 percent belong to the Danish Lutheran Church. i don't really understand what they are saying here, so i can't comment. generally i don't trust Cato much, so i am probably not going to try. blog.peerform.com/top-ten-most-socialist-countries-in-the-world/i don't trust that blog any better. but not any worse, either.
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Post by AgeOfEnlightenmentSCP on Feb 18, 2016 10:20:03 GMT -5
They're significantly more business-friendly than the US. Tighter property rights, less red tape, lower corporate taxes for start-ups, and greater freedom of trade. Other respects: www.cato.org/publications/commentary/united-states-already-least-socialist-denmarkOne of the things it mentions in the article I'll quote here simply because many people don't recognize how absurdly different America is from Denmark in terms of homogeneity: Denmark is a perfect example of a homogenous polity with a large welfare state. Of the 5.7 million people who live in Denmark, 88 percent are of Danish (Nordic) descent and 78 percent belong to the Danish Lutheran Church. I like the personal privacy legal structure in most of Europe. We may be the only country with a fourth amendment, but we don't follow it. Not even a little bit.
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Post by djAdvocate on Feb 18, 2016 10:26:18 GMT -5
They're significantly more business-friendly than the US. Tighter property rights, less red tape, lower corporate taxes for start-ups, and greater freedom of trade. Other respects: www.cato.org/publications/commentary/united-states-already-least-socialist-denmarkOne of the things it mentions in the article I'll quote here simply because many people don't recognize how absurdly different America is from Denmark in terms of homogeneity: Denmark is a perfect example of a homogenous polity with a large welfare state. Of the 5.7 million people who live in Denmark, 88 percent are of Danish (Nordic) descent and 78 percent belong to the Danish Lutheran Church. I like the personal privacy legal structure in most of Europe. We may be the only country with a fourth amendment, but we don't follow it. Not even a little bit. c'mon! i am crazy about privacy, but to say we don't follow it AT ALL is just wrong, Paul. we do. but it is fair to say we lag behind some other nations.
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They're significantly more business-friendly than the US. Tighter property rights, less red tape, lower corporate taxes for start-ups, and greater freedom of trade. Other respects: www.cato.org/publications/commentary/united-states-already-least-socialist-denmarkOne of the things it mentions in the article I'll quote here simply because many people don't recognize how absurdly different America is from Denmark in terms of homogeneity: Denmark is a perfect example of a homogenous polity with a large welfare state. Of the 5.7 million people who live in Denmark, 88 percent are of Danish (Nordic) descent and 78 percent belong to the Danish Lutheran Church. i don't really understand what they are saying here, so i can't comment. generally i don't trust Cato much, so i am probably not going to try. blog.peerform.com/top-ten-most-socialist-countries-in-the-world/i don't trust that blog any better. but not any worse, either. I've said it in the past and I'll say it again here: the Scandinavian countries are significantly smaller, wealthier, and more homogeneous than the US. Their government is a fraction of the size of the US government, even per capita. Policies that work well when administered on that scale do not necessarily--in many cases, demonstrably--scale up to nations the size of the US. Socialism isn't a 'bad' thing ipso facto, but there is such thing as socialism that works and socialism that doesn't work. There are policies that are sustainable and policies that aren't sustainable. It's tempting to ignore fundamental differences to say "It works there; it should work here", but we can't ignore the fact that many socialist institutions and agencies that work well in smaller nations have already failed when scaled up to bureaucracies the size of the US federal government. You're looking at 320 million people of every background under the sun versus 5 million rich white Danes, in the case of Denmark.
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Post by AgeOfEnlightenmentSCP on Feb 18, 2016 11:23:43 GMT -5
I like the personal privacy legal structure in most of Europe. We may be the only country with a fourth amendment, but we don't follow it. Not even a little bit. c'mon! i am crazy about privacy, but to say we don't follow it AT ALL is just wrong, Paul. we do. but it is fair to say we lag behind some other nations. As a "for example" items that are a matter of "public record"- that is, anyone can look them up. I never have liked that. There are ways to deal with that, but it's annoying. Why is it anyone's business, for example, who is on title of a given property? I strongly believe this information should only be available to those with an equitable interest in the property.
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Post by djAdvocate on Feb 18, 2016 11:52:49 GMT -5
I've said it in the past and I'll say it again here: the Scandinavian countries are significantly smaller, wealthier, and more homogeneous than the US. Their government is a fraction of the size of the US government, even per capita. Policies that work well when administered on that scale do not necessarily--in many cases, demonstrably--scale up to nations the size of the US. Socialism isn't a 'bad' thing ipso facto, but there is such thing as socialism that works and socialism that doesn't work. There are policies that are sustainable and policies that aren't sustainable. It's tempting to ignore fundamental differences to say "It works there; it should work here", but we can't ignore the fact that many socialist institutions and agencies that work well in smaller nations have already failed when scaled up to bureaucracies the size of the US federal government. You're looking at 320 million people of every background under the sun versus 5 million rich white Danes, in the case of Denmark. i have never understood what homogeneity has to do with the argument. Spain is as diverse as we are. moreover, they are way more respectful of diversity than we are. are they more or less socialized than the US?
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Post by Virgil Showlion on Feb 18, 2016 12:04:12 GMT -5
I've said it in the past and I'll say it again here: the Scandinavian countries are significantly smaller, wealthier, and more homogeneous than the US. Their government is a fraction of the size of the US government, even per capita. Policies that work well when administered on that scale do not necessarily--in many cases, demonstrably--scale up to nations the size of the US. Socialism isn't a 'bad' thing ipso facto, but there is such thing as socialism that works and socialism that doesn't work. There are policies that are sustainable and policies that aren't sustainable. It's tempting to ignore fundamental differences to say "It works there; it should work here", but we can't ignore the fact that many socialist institutions and agencies that work well in smaller nations have already failed when scaled up to bureaucracies the size of the US federal government. You're looking at 320 million people of every background under the sun versus 5 million rich white Danes, in the case of Denmark. i have never understood what homogeneity has to do with the argument. Spain is as diverse as we are. moreover, they are way more respectful of diversity than we are. are they more or less socialized than the US? Their economy is far more in the toilet than yours is too, believe it or not. Homogeneity is an indication of likeness of values. Likeness of values means more harmony, less contention, more effective government (and less of it). Homogeneity is also a major contributor to favourable national statistics, since ethnic and economic ghettos are responsible for a ridiculously high proportion of a society's bad statistics, and the number and size of ghettos is largely a function of heterogeneity.
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Post by djAdvocate on Feb 18, 2016 12:19:36 GMT -5
i have never understood what homogeneity has to do with the argument. Spain is as diverse as we are. moreover, they are way more respectful of diversity than we are. are they more or less socialized than the US? Their economy is far more in the toilet than yours is too, believe it or not. Homogeneity is an indication of likeness of values. Likeness of values means more harmony, less contention, more effective government (and less of it). Homogeneity is also a major contributor to favourable national statistics, since ethnic and economic ghettos are responsible for a ridiculously high proportion of a society's bad statistics, and the number and size of ghettos is largely a function of heterogeneity. so, question: when you play soccer, do you chain the net to your torso?
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Canadian island ready to take in Americans if Donald Trump becomes President: ‘We need people. We need you!’Trump haters, Canada has a gun-free, pro-choice, ultra-diverse haven for you. A proud native of a sparsely populated Canadian island is begging Americans to move to his homeland as bombastic billionaire Donald Trump continues his campaign for the White House. “Hi Americans! Donald Trump may become the President of your country! If that happens, and you decide to get the hell out of there, might I suggest moving to Cape Breton Island,” website "Cape Breton if Donald Trump Wins" declared. Hundreds of Americans have sent inquiries since the cheeky site launched, creator Rob Calabrese, a Canadian radio announcer, told the Globe and Mail. “I’m in disbelief,” he said referencing the flood of emails. “I wish everyone from Cape Breton could read them because they really make you proud of living here.” While Cape Breton’s government is not affiliated with the site, the Nova Scotia island’s tourism department has seen a surge in web traffic. More than 12,000 people have viewed the island’s travel site this week — up from just 1,300 people last year. Cape Breton, an island off the coast of Nova Scotia that is about 400 miles northwest of the U.S.-Canada border, is home to about 150,000 people. However, its population is in decline, making it the perfect spot for Trump-hating expats, the website said. And don’t worry: Fleeing a possible President Trump doesn’t mean you’ll be sequestered in the frozen tundra. “Cape Breton isn't frozen all year round!” the website wrote. “Our summers are delightful with highs in the 80 degree range. Winters here are very similar to the North East USA.” Canadian island ready to take in Americans if Donald Trump becomes President: ‘We need people. We need you!’
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Post by ken a.k.a OMK on Feb 18, 2016 17:24:09 GMT -5
Sounds like a nice place. I'll move there.
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Post by Tennesseer on Feb 18, 2016 17:44:45 GMT -5
Sounds like a nice place. I'll move there. Lovely country up there, Ken. And the drive around the island can be spectacular.
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Post by Virgil Showlion on Feb 18, 2016 17:46:51 GMT -5
Their economy is far more in the toilet than yours is too, believe it or not. Homogeneity is an indication of likeness of values. Likeness of values means more harmony, less contention, more effective government (and less of it). Homogeneity is also a major contributor to favourable national statistics, since ethnic and economic ghettos are responsible for a ridiculously high proportion of a society's bad statistics, and the number and size of ghettos is largely a function of heterogeneity. so, question: when you play soccer, do you chain the net to your torso? Always. What's your point?
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Post by ken a.k.a OMK on Feb 18, 2016 17:55:06 GMT -5
Tennesseer I'm thinking it might be a nice place to operate my amateur radio station too. Might be a rare contact. Maryland is common.
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Post by djAdvocate on Feb 18, 2016 17:56:02 GMT -5
so, question: when you play soccer, do you chain the net to your torso? Always. What's your point? i can never tell what we are arguing about if i ONLY look at your reply.
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Tennesseer I'm thinking it might be a nice place to operate my amateur radio station too. Might be a rare contact. Maryland is common. You are a bit closer to Europe. That would be fun.
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Post by Value Buy on Feb 26, 2016 16:58:26 GMT -5
Get ready. Now the networks are saying Rubio looked childish last night. They must have done some polling, and discovered Trump gained support after the two idiots tried gang tagging Trump last night.
Cruz repeating some lies today about Trump, is the nail in his coffin too.
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Get ready. Now the networks are saying Rubio looked childish last night. They must have done some polling, and discovered Trump gained support after the two idiots tried gang tagging Trump last night. Cruz repeating some lies today about Trump, is the nail in his coffin too. I have to admit, I cringed when the moderator tried to get an immigration policy statement out of Sen. Rubio and he beelined to criticism of Mr. Trump three separate times. The man must have somebody on his staff telling him that he's killing himself, does he not? His campaign is well funded. These are supposedly the "smartest people in the room" advising him. DJ will hate me for this, but I actually find Mr. Trump's facial expressions endearing, which is saying something because I like practically nothing about the man. He stands there with a very closed posture, features taut, and lets Sen. Rubio self-immolate without saying a word. You can practically hear him thinking, "Oh, you're talking about me again. Oh, now you're talking about my claim that I've framed the immigration debate. Oh, now you're talking about how I've employed thousands of workers. Oh, now you're talking about how I've hired thousands of foreign workers; I'm sure the Hispanics in the audience will hate that. Oh, now you're talking about my..."
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Post by djAdvocate on Feb 26, 2016 17:50:17 GMT -5
Get ready. Now the networks are saying Rubio looked childish last night. They must have done some polling, and discovered Trump gained support after the two idiots tried gang tagging Trump last night. Cruz repeating some lies today about Trump, is the nail in his coffin too. conjecture. i will wait for the polling, thanks.
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Post by djAdvocate on Feb 26, 2016 17:50:57 GMT -5
Get ready. Now the networks are saying Rubio looked childish last night. They must have done some polling, and discovered Trump gained support after the two idiots tried gang tagging Trump last night. Cruz repeating some lies today about Trump, is the nail in his coffin too. I have to admit, I cringed when the moderator tried to get an immigration policy statement out of Sen. Rubio and he beelined to criticism of Mr. Trump three separate times. The man must have somebody on his staff telling him that he's killing himself, does he not? His campaign is well funded. These are supposedly the "smartest people in the room" advising him. DJ will hate me for this, but I actually find Mr. Trump's facial expressions endearing, which is saying something because I like practically nothing about the man. He stands there with a very closed posture, features taut, and lets Sen. Rubio self-immolate without saying a word. You can practically hear him thinking, "Oh, you're talking about me again. Oh, now you're talking about my claim that I've framed the immigration debate. Oh, now you're talking about how I've employed thousands of workers. Oh, now you're talking about how I've hired thousands of foreign workers; I'm sure the Hispanics in the audience will hate that. Oh, now you're talking about my..." i think he looks like a smug prick. but suit yourself.
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Post by Value Buy on Feb 26, 2016 18:35:56 GMT -5
Get ready. Now the networks are saying Rubio looked childish last night. They must have done some polling, and discovered Trump gained support after the two idiots tried gang tagging Trump last night. Cruz repeating some lies today about Trump, is the nail in his coffin too. conjecture. i will wait for the polling, thanks. Please check out the latest Survey Monkey poll
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Post by Value Buy on Feb 26, 2016 18:38:03 GMT -5
Trump! Deal with it.
I keep thinking of people here and comparing them to the Jet.com advertising with the exploding heads when the Donald pulls this off.
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Trump! Deal with it. I keep thinking of people here and comparing them to the Jet.com advertising with the exploding heads when the Donald pulls this off. I imagine the exploding heads will be the ones who voted Trump into office once they find out he is the modrrn day Emperor With New Clothes.
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