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Post by happyhoix on Jan 5, 2016 12:18:47 GMT -5
there is another reality, and that is that there has been no NET change in immigration in quite some time. is that reality ever even mentioned? Oh why let reality interfere with our fun. We need a scapegoat we can blame all our problems on. It isn't the first time dirty swarming hordes of immigrants have taken the fall for all of society's ills. Germany did a good job blaming all their woes on the Jews and gypsies.
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Post by djAdvocate on Jan 5, 2016 12:49:41 GMT -5
there is another reality, and that is that there has been no NET change in immigration in quite some time. is that reality ever even mentioned? Oh why let reality interfere with our fun. We need a scapegoat we can blame all our problems on. It isn't the first time dirty swarming hordes of immigrants have taken the fall for all of society's ills. Germany did a good job blaming all their woes on the Jews and gypsies. indeed. accepting responsibility for our own failings would take humility and introspection. one look at Trump will tell you: we don't have them.
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Post by Virgil Showlion on Jan 5, 2016 13:47:18 GMT -5
That reality is never mentioned nor is the reality that Obama has been the deporter in chief. Why let facts get in the way of trashing B. Hussein on every point imaginable. It's still not anywhere near enough. It's like bailing out your rowboat with a slightly bigger sippy cup when you've got water pouring in through a six-inch breach in the hull.
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Post by verrip1 on Jan 5, 2016 13:59:37 GMT -5
there is another reality, and that is that there has been no NET change in immigration in quite some time. is that reality ever even mentioned? No net change? In rate, perhaps; I'd have to see the numbers. But flux? That gets the jaundiced eye.
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Post by djAdvocate on Jan 5, 2016 14:12:28 GMT -5
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Post by AgeOfEnlightenmentSCP on Jan 5, 2016 14:19:48 GMT -5
there is another reality, and that is that there has been no NET change in immigration, from Mexico* at least, in quite some time. is that reality ever even mentioned? Legal. We have no idea what the illegal numbers are- by definition.
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Post by djAdvocate on Jan 5, 2016 17:39:36 GMT -5
there is another reality, and that is that there has been no NET change in immigration, from Mexico* at least, in quite some time. is that reality ever even mentioned? Legal. We have no idea what the illegal numbers are- by definition. actually, the article discussed that. the number of USBP stops of illegals has fallen 50% since 2009. so, i don't think it is true that we have "no idea". we have SOME idea. it might not be precise. it might be a range. but we have some idea.
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Post by dondub on Jan 5, 2016 18:08:09 GMT -5
Now if we could just get the Repos to go after all their campaign donors that employ these illegals I wouldn't keep thinking this is one of those phony issues they whine about to lay blame on the Demos.
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Post by tallguy on Jan 5, 2016 21:41:32 GMT -5
Maybe someone can tell me why showing lots of people scaling a wall to get into another country is a good argument for building more of the wall in Mexico. It's a lead-in to his next great campaign pledge. He's going to build a wall between Morocco and Spain and get Morocco to pay for it. That will show everybody how accomplished he is at getting things done, even if those terrible Clintonists try to fight him on the U.S.-Mexico one.
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Post by marvholly on Jan 6, 2016 6:39:01 GMT -5
back to talking Trump:
Why is Trump the ONLY candidate whose incidents of foot-in-mouth disease do NOT cost him voters?
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Post by tallguy on Jan 6, 2016 7:06:24 GMT -5
Because so many of those supporting him are not basing that support on rational matters?
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Post by NomoreDramaQ1015 on Jan 6, 2016 9:42:42 GMT -5
I saw the commercial last night. I kept yelling at the screen "He can't do that those powers belong to CONGRESS!" How can people be registered to vote and yet have no clue how our government actually works?
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Post by Virgil Showlion on Jan 6, 2016 11:48:21 GMT -5
I saw the commercial last night. I kept yelling at the screen "He can't do that those powers belong to CONGRESS!" How can people be registered to vote and yet have no clue how our government actually works? How your government actually works and how it's theoretically supposed to work have been rapidly diverging as of late. I don't know if Mr. Trump will accomplish even half of what he's promising to do, but if he doesn't, I can guarantee you it isn't because "those powers belong to Congress". The legislative branch is becoming something of an afterthought in the governance of your country.
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Post by djAdvocate on Jan 6, 2016 13:46:35 GMT -5
I saw the commercial last night. I kept yelling at the screen "He can't do that those powers belong to CONGRESS!" How can people be registered to vote and yet have no clue how our government actually works? How your government actually works and how it's theoretically supposed to work have been rapidly diverging as of late. I don't know if Mr. Trump will accomplish even half of what he's promising to do, but if he doesn't, I can guarantee you it isn't because "those powers belong to Congress". The legislative branch is becoming something of an afterthought in the governance of your country. truth
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Post by dondub on Jan 6, 2016 14:59:54 GMT -5
However, I don't believe this has anything to do with an over expansion of executive power but rather an under utilization of the legislative. They have become like rutting male elks whose horns are locked and which are leading them to starvation.
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Post by billisonboard on Jan 6, 2016 15:32:12 GMT -5
However, I don't believe this has anything to do with an over expansion of executive power but rather an under utilization of the legislative. They have become like rutting male elks whose horns are locked and which are leading them to starvation. Maybe under utilization of the legislative which has created a void filled by over expansion of executive? Didn't Obama ask the Congress for action in regards to Syria with no results? What do you do as POTUS in that situation?
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Post by dondub on Jan 6, 2016 16:08:43 GMT -5
Sometimes when the baby has everything it needs and is still caterwauling in the crib the parent has to just close the door and go about doing what needs to be done.
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Post by Virgil Showlion on Jan 6, 2016 16:59:50 GMT -5
However, I don't believe this has anything to do with an over expansion of executive power but rather an under utilization of the legislative. They have become like rutting male elks whose horns are locked and which are leading them to starvation. Maybe under utilization of the legislative which has created a void filled by over expansion of executive? Didn't Obama ask the Congress for action in regards to Syria with no results? What do you do as POTUS in that situation? You accept that you can do nothing in Syria, move on, and try to address another problem where you can get something done. He once promised to act on campaign reform. "Government" is on the top of the list of Americans' concerns. The Republicans will play ball. That's an excellent place to move to. He promised to go through budgets with a scalpel, cutting out pork, redundancy, etc. with a scalpel line by line. Deficits rank high on the list of Americans' concerns. Republicans will definitely play ball. That's another great place to move to. People have talked about reforming the bloated, loophole-ridden US tax code for years. Setting the wheels in motion on that could be part of his legacy. The VA has come under fire again and again for being underfunded and mismanaged. Diverting funds from elsewhere in the military budget and knocking some heads together there would do some good. The Republicans would play ball. Go there. There are a lot of places he could go to get things done ( with the help of Republicans), and yet he's as determined to choose issues where he's at loggerheads with them as they are to be at loggerheads with him when he does. I mean... amnesty, gun control, socialization of healthcare, shutting down the coal industry, a rainbow White House? He couldn't spit more directly in Republicans' eyes if he tried. Sometimes I'm almost tempted to buy into Paul's "liberal caliphate" theory.
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Post by AgeOfEnlightenmentSCP on Jan 6, 2016 17:36:56 GMT -5
I saw the commercial last night. I kept yelling at the screen "He can't do that those powers belong to CONGRESS!" How can people be registered to vote and yet have no clue how our government actually works? Do you mean Obama's speech on "executive actions" on gun control? What commercial are you talking about?
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Post by dondub on Jan 6, 2016 20:17:08 GMT -5
What's your deal about the coal industry?
With all the fracking bringing a glut of natural gas to the market do we need dirty coal too? Although I did read that more folks are employed in the coal industry right now than when BHO took office.
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Post by Tennesseer on Jan 6, 2016 23:39:46 GMT -5
Snopes: Trump DumperA Chrome browser extension can remove all mention of Donald Trump from a user's online experience. True. ORIGIN:In late 2015, as Donald Trump's presidential run began reaching a fever pitch, a few enterprising programmers created apps, pages, or browser extensions for people who wanted to minimize their exposure to Trump, his fans, or both. One such browser extension is called "Trump Filter." It was created by Rob Spectre, a self-described "Internet Mathemagician," who created the software with three settings ("Mild," "Aggressive," and "Vindictive") which the user could adjust based on how strong his or her dislike of Trump might be. "I picked Trump for this extension in order to improve the signal-to-noise ratio in the media coverage around this election," Spectre told us. Complete article here: Snopes: Trump DumperLink to download filter: Trump Filter
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Post by Tennesseer on Jan 6, 2016 23:45:33 GMT -5
It works-I cannot see the title of this thread with Trump's name on the main page or inside when I open the thread I have the setting on mild. Other settings for removal are Aggressive and Vindictive.
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Post by Value Buy on Jan 7, 2016 7:33:15 GMT -5
Interesting article. Two things. One. the economy before say 2112 was still bad, so some immigrants did migrate back home. 2105, we know was a race to cross the border. Depending on the Federal government for accurate data is impossible. We were just told they had the wrong data for housing starts for ten years. How are we to believe they counted people who did not want to be counted? Two. Some migrants reached retirement age, and simply moved back to the homeland. Not a bad choice, moving back and living a high standard of living on the Mexican peso. In Northwest Indiana many eastern Europeans who migrated here in the last century moved back home for retirement. Their children born here, stay here and have and are solid American citizens. The older generation who had trouble with the language are the ones who migrate back home.
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Post by AgeOfEnlightenmentSCP on Jan 7, 2016 13:11:15 GMT -5
How your government actually works and how it's theoretically supposed to work have been rapidly diverging as of late. I don't know if Mr. Trump will accomplish even half of what he's promising to do, but if he doesn't, I can guarantee you it isn't because "those powers belong to Congress". The legislative branch is becoming something of an afterthought in the governance of your country. truth
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Post by AgeOfEnlightenmentSCP on Jan 7, 2016 13:23:00 GMT -5
Not, mind you, am I blaming the whole mess on Donald Trump. The Imperial Presidency was birthed by Teddy Roosevelt. It's interventionist military might came into its own under Wilson. The foundation for the unConstitutional and illegal fourth branch of government- the administrative branch- foundation poured by FDR. The seeds of lifelong government dependency fertilized and coming into bloom under LBJ, and the beginning of the deprivation of all privacy, private property, and individual rights and the final acceleration of the United States into the oblivion of a glorious New World Order complete with a global government under Nixon with the creation of the EPA, under Carter with the creation of the Dept of Ed...and finally, that great and glorious world order will be led by history's final dictator. A leader that will make Hitler look like a girl scout. Not much we can do but keep fighting the good fight, and hope to prolong the inevitable just a little while longer.
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Post by dondub on Jan 7, 2016 13:30:50 GMT -5
Don't forget to mention giving women and Blacks the right to vote. That just fucked up everything. No wonder there are so many paranoids out there ranting and raving. It's all true!!!
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Post by ken a.k.a OMK on Jan 7, 2016 13:32:09 GMT -5
Surely you jest. Remember the Holocaust?
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Post by djAdvocate on Jan 7, 2016 14:48:23 GMT -5
Surely you jest. Remember the Holocaust? i am with you on that. the leaders of tomorrow will be inept, frightened pilots in charge of vast machinery they cannot comprehend.
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Post by ken a.k.a OMK on Jan 7, 2016 16:30:16 GMT -5
Trump has a rally tonight. Reports of huge crowds. Who? He has alienated women, African-Americans, Hispanics, Asians, Muslims, Jews, the media. I guess they want to hear his policies. Oh he has none. He's attacking the Clinton's and they've wisely ignored him. He attacked his GOP rivals and they are slugging it out.
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Post by dondub on Jan 7, 2016 16:48:59 GMT -5
Somehow there are people that find validity in that approach and support him. I have referred to them as the lackumenical for years.
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