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Post by djAdvocate on Nov 30, 2015 12:11:16 GMT -5
LOL! this is so hilarious. love it.
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Post by dondub on Nov 30, 2015 12:25:24 GMT -5
"Donald Trump is a volcano in a field of Ronson lighters"
His electoral college votes will be zippo.
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Post by djAdvocate on Nov 30, 2015 12:27:02 GMT -5
i still doubt he will make it past the primaries. but if he does, i doubt even more he will get past Hillary.
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Post by billisonboard on Nov 30, 2015 12:33:06 GMT -5
Where does "Professors" come from?
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Post by Virgil Showlion on Nov 30, 2015 13:10:56 GMT -5
I can't fault their enthusiasm. Also: at the two jabs they take at Pres. Obama at the start. I didn't know that! Disclaimer: When I use bold, underline, and ALLCAPS in my posts, you may rightly assume that I'm REALLY FRIGGIN' PASSIONATE about the topic being discussed.
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Post by Tennesseer on Nov 30, 2015 13:42:40 GMT -5
From the politifact link: What percentage would that be, like 3-4%? And then there is this from a few minutes ago: Donald Trump Claims He Thought Meeting With African-American Pastors Was an EndorsementGOP front-runner Donald Trump, who is slated to meet with a group of African-American pastors today at the Trump Tower in New York City, said he was told the meeting was an endorsement, and believes the pastors received backlash from people opposed to the gathering. Trump’s campaign had originally promoted today’s meeting, which reportedly involves nearly 100 African-American pastors, as an endorsement, sending out a news release Wednesday using that language. The meeting was supposed to be followed by a news conference, which was canceled this weekend, and no media is invited to the closed meeting. Donald Trump Claims He Thought Meeting With African-American Pastors Was an Endorsement
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Post by djAdvocate on Nov 30, 2015 14:58:55 GMT -5
He's so popular that people won't even bother to vote- he'll be the first person** ever elected without any votes. **since Stalin
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Post by djAdvocate on Nov 30, 2015 15:04:25 GMT -5
I can't fault their enthusiasm. Also: at the two jabs they take at Pres. Obama at the start. I didn't know that! you didn't know it because it probably isn't true. Jack Cashill has a terrible reputation for accuracy. and he offers no proof whatsoever to back up his claim, in this case. edit: i have to say, however, the obsession with the minutae of Obama's life apparently has no limits on the right. one wonders how they can even find time to breathe.
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Post by Tennesseer on Nov 30, 2015 15:52:16 GMT -5
One other thought about Bachmann's comment that Trump is the most popular Republican candidate with black voters. A few posters here claimed after the 2008 and 2012 elections that the vast majority of black voters only voted for Obama because he is black like them, and therefore, blacks were racist.
Well if that were true, then shouldn't Republican candidate Ben Carson be the most popular with black voters?
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Post by djAdvocate on Nov 30, 2015 16:02:17 GMT -5
One other thought about Bachmann's comment that Trump is the most popular Republican candidate with black voters. A few posters here claimed after the 2008 and 2012 elections that the vast majority of black voters only voted for Obama because he is black like them, and therefore, blacks were racist. Well if that were true, then shouldn't Republican candidate Ben Carson be the most popular with black voters? LOL! if there is a hole in your logic, i am having trouble finding it.
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Post by Virgil Showlion on Nov 30, 2015 16:32:19 GMT -5
I can't fault their enthusiasm. Also: at the two jabs they take at Pres. Obama at the start. I didn't know that! you didn't know it because it probably isn't true. Jack Cashill has a terrible reputation for accuracy. and he offers no proof whatsoever to back up his claim, in this case. edit: i have to say, however, the obsession with the minutae of Obama's life apparently has no limits on the right. one wonders how they can even find time to breathe. I'm not going to debate you on what constitutes "proof", but a simple search reveals he provides some compelling evidence. As for not finding time to breathe: half of the contributors to this thread--including you--have spent the past three months enthusiastically dissecting every gaffe, ham-handed statement, and breaking of wind by Republican frontrunners. Try to show a little more respect for your fellow obsessers across the aisle.
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Post by djAdvocate on Nov 30, 2015 18:16:41 GMT -5
you didn't know it because it probably isn't true. Jack Cashill has a terrible reputation for accuracy. and he offers no proof whatsoever to back up his claim, in this case. edit: i have to say, however, the obsession with the minutae of Obama's life apparently has no limits on the right. one wonders how they can even find time to breathe. I'm not going to debate you on what constitutes "proof", but a simple search reveals he provides some compelling evidence. i read his article on the subject. i didn't find it compelling at all, unless you believe all of the stuff he says about HIMSELF, which i don't. i deleted your second comment, as it was personal in nature. edit: i was referring to the author of the article (Cashill), in case that was unclear, not you. i found his analysis bizarrely detailed. bizarrely as in- digging through the personal affects of Obama dating back to High School. i think that is really weird, personally. weird, and totally unnecessary. he admits himself that he has no "definitive proof". actually, he is not even that close. he has a lot of conjecture, and even more suspicion. that plays well to the "Obama is the son of aliens seeking to take over the world through socialism" crowd, but not well to the rest of us. let's just take one example, since you probably will just say that i am substituting my own biases for his: the unique nature of the book. you know the name Margaret Mitchell? you probably don't. i would be surprised if you did. but i guarantee you know her work. how about Harper Lee? bet you don't know that one, either. Ralph Ellison? how about Anna Sewell? more than one of them won a Pulitzer Prize, or some other major literary award, which is more than Obama will ever get. they were all one hit wonders. being a rookie does NOT mean you are incapable of great work. so stop undermining credit, unless you can offer me proof. and proof would not be the opinion of some hack that spends his time frothing over at WND, but rather someone who has no skin in the game, and analyzes literature, reaching the same conclusion (or, better yet, the "ghost writer" coming forward). you don't have to have a PhD in writing to become a groundbreaking author. and Obama is not even close to that.
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Post by Virgil Showlion on Nov 30, 2015 19:24:32 GMT -5
I'm not going to debate you on what constitutes "proof", but a simple search reveals he provides some compelling evidence. i read his article on the subject. i didn't find it compelling at all, unless you believe all of the stuff he says about HIMSELF, which i don't. i deleted your second comment, as it was personal in nature. edit: i was referring to the author of the article (Cashill), in case that was unclear, not you. i found his analysis bizarrely detailed. bizarrely as in- digging through the personal affects of Obama dating back to High School. i think that is really weird, personally. weird, and totally unnecessary. he admits himself that he has no "definitive proof". actually, he is not even that close. he has a lot of conjecture, and even more suspicion. that plays well to the "Obama is the son of aliens seeking to take over the world through socialism" crowd, but not well to the rest of us. let's just take one example, since you probably will just say that i am substituting my own biases for his: the unique nature of the book. you know the name Margaret Mitchell? you probably don't. i would be surprised if you did. but i guarantee you know her work. how about Harper Lee? bet you don't know that one, either. Ralph Ellison? how about Anna Sewell? more than one of them won a Pulitzer Prize, or some other major literary award, which is more than Obama will ever get. they were all one hit wonders. being a rookie does NOT mean you are incapable of great work. so stop undermining credit, unless you can offer me proof. and proof would not be the opinion of some hack that spends his time frothing over at WND, but rather someone who has no skin in the game, and analyzes literature, reaching the same conclusion (or, better yet, the "ghost writer" coming forward). you don't have to have a PhD in writing to become a groundbreaking author. and Obama is not even close to that. So what's your theory about Barack Obama going from hack to critically acclaimed author in the space of four years? He was so passionate about the material that it turned him into a competent writer? "Compelling" doesn't mean I believe it. It means I find his thesis plausible enough to be interesting, and I wouldn't put the act past Pres. Obama. He's never demonstrated any remarkable intellect, eloquence, or perspicacity while holding the presidency, and some of his unscripted interviews are borderline embarrassing. Did he have somebody ghost write it? Was it heavily edited? Was it a joint effort? Did his passion about the material inspire a brief interval of literary brilliance? Just a small intrigue.
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Post by djAdvocate on Nov 30, 2015 20:01:17 GMT -5
i read his article on the subject. i didn't find it compelling at all, unless you believe all of the stuff he says about HIMSELF, which i don't. i deleted your second comment, as it was personal in nature. edit: i was referring to the author of the article (Cashill), in case that was unclear, not you. i found his analysis bizarrely detailed. bizarrely as in- digging through the personal affects of Obama dating back to High School. i think that is really weird, personally. weird, and totally unnecessary. he admits himself that he has no "definitive proof". actually, he is not even that close. he has a lot of conjecture, and even more suspicion. that plays well to the "Obama is the son of aliens seeking to take over the world through socialism" crowd, but not well to the rest of us. let's just take one example, since you probably will just say that i am substituting my own biases for his: the unique nature of the book. you know the name Margaret Mitchell? you probably don't. i would be surprised if you did. but i guarantee you know her work. how about Harper Lee? bet you don't know that one, either. Ralph Ellison? how about Anna Sewell? more than one of them won a Pulitzer Prize, or some other major literary award, which is more than Obama will ever get. they were all one hit wonders. being a rookie does NOT mean you are incapable of great work. so stop undermining credit, unless you can offer me proof. and proof would not be the opinion of some hack that spends his time frothing over at WND, but rather someone who has no skin in the game, and analyzes literature, reaching the same conclusion (or, better yet, the "ghost writer" coming forward). you don't have to have a PhD in writing to become a groundbreaking author. and Obama is not even close to that. So what's your theory about Barack Obama going from hack to critically acclaimed author in the space of four years? He was so passionate about the material that it turned him into a competent writer? "Compelling" doesn't mean I believe it. It means I find his thesis plausible enough to be interesting, and I wouldn't put the act past Pres. Obama. He's never demonstrated any remarkable intellect, eloquence, or perspicacity while holding the presidency, and some of his unscripted interviews are borderline embarrassing. Did he have somebody ghost write it? Was it heavily edited? Was it a joint effort? Did his passion about the material inspire a brief interval of literary brilliance? Just a small intrigue. i gave four examples of how this could happen. did you know any of those names?
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Post by Opti on Nov 30, 2015 21:19:52 GMT -5
i read his article on the subject. i didn't find it compelling at all, unless you believe all of the stuff he says about HIMSELF, which i don't. i deleted your second comment, as it was personal in nature. edit: i was referring to the author of the article (Cashill), in case that was unclear, not you. i found his analysis bizarrely detailed. bizarrely as in- digging through the personal affects of Obama dating back to High School. i think that is really weird, personally. weird, and totally unnecessary. he admits himself that he has no "definitive proof". actually, he is not even that close. he has a lot of conjecture, and even more suspicion. that plays well to the "Obama is the son of aliens seeking to take over the world through socialism" crowd, but not well to the rest of us. let's just take one example, since you probably will just say that i am substituting my own biases for his: the unique nature of the book. you know the name Margaret Mitchell? you probably don't. i would be surprised if you did. but i guarantee you know her work. how about Harper Lee? bet you don't know that one, either. Ralph Ellison? how about Anna Sewell? more than one of them won a Pulitzer Prize, or some other major literary award, which is more than Obama will ever get. they were all one hit wonders. being a rookie does NOT mean you are incapable of great work. so stop undermining credit, unless you can offer me proof. and proof would not be the opinion of some hack that spends his time frothing over at WND, but rather someone who has no skin in the game, and analyzes literature, reaching the same conclusion (or, better yet, the "ghost writer" coming forward). you don't have to have a PhD in writing to become a groundbreaking author. and Obama is not even close to that. So what's your theory about Barack Obama going from hack to critically acclaimed author in the space of four years? He was so passionate about the material that it turned him into a competent writer? "Compelling" doesn't mean I believe it. It means I find his thesis plausible enough to be interesting, and I wouldn't put the act past Pres. Obama. He's never demonstrated any remarkable intellect, eloquence, or perspicacity while holding the presidency, and some of his unscripted interviews are borderline embarrassing. Did he have somebody ghost write it? Was it heavily edited? Was it a joint effort? Did his passion about the material inspire a brief interval of literary brilliance? Just a small intrigue. I admit to be confused by the entire post, not just the bolded. I have not read any of his books, however I thought Dreams of My Father was his first book so how can he really go from 'hack' to anything?
Per Wikipedia it was first published in 1995 then re-released in 2004 with a larger page count.
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Post by Opti on Nov 30, 2015 21:23:35 GMT -5
Do I win a cookie? I was right about Harper Lee. (Goes back to Google...)
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Post by tallguy on Nov 30, 2015 21:59:06 GMT -5
I knew Margaret Mitchell and Harper Lee. Drawing a blank on the other two.
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Post by djAdvocate on Nov 30, 2015 22:19:26 GMT -5
I knew Margaret Mitchell and Harper Lee. Drawing a blank on the other two. i only knew one of the four, but between us, we knew three.
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Post by Opti on Nov 30, 2015 22:26:03 GMT -5
After Google, I'm pretty OK with having no clue about Ralph Ellison.
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Post by tallguy on Nov 30, 2015 22:31:10 GMT -5
I knew Margaret Mitchell and Harper Lee. Drawing a blank on the other two. i only knew one of the four, but between us, we knew three. You only knew one of the four? From your own quiz?
I can't tell you how disappointing it is to see that you have apparently joined the crowd here who post about things they know little or nothing about. I thought others had that market cornered....
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Post by Virgil Showlion on Nov 30, 2015 22:40:34 GMT -5
So what's your theory about Barack Obama going from hack to critically acclaimed author in the space of four years? He was so passionate about the material that it turned him into a competent writer? "Compelling" doesn't mean I believe it. It means I find his thesis plausible enough to be interesting, and I wouldn't put the act past Pres. Obama. He's never demonstrated any remarkable intellect, eloquence, or perspicacity while holding the presidency, and some of his unscripted interviews are borderline embarrassing. Did he have somebody ghost write it? Was it heavily edited? Was it a joint effort? Did his passion about the material inspire a brief interval of literary brilliance? Just a small intrigue. i gave four examples of how this could happen. did you know any of those names? I knew about Lee because of the recent controversy. I'd never heard of the others, but your point was clear enough. Let's be clear: Mr. Cashill's claim isn't that "Dreams of My Father" was Pres. Obama's only popular work, it's that it's his only lucid work. It's the only work where the author demonstrates an awareness of the mechanics of the language. It's the only work where thoughts are structured and flow freely rather than blundering from point to point. Hence unless you're telling me that all of the above authors were hack essayists before and after their one hit, I fail to see the relevance. It seems to me they were competent writers whose other works were decent but simply failed to live up to the dizzying highs of their one masterpiece. The other half of Mr. Cashill's thesis is to establish a profile of Pres. Obama as a chronically sluggish writer and then ask the question of where he found the time to author his piece de resistance during a period in his life where he'd have had precious little time to do so. It's quite possible that you're right and Pres. Obama just is the literary equivalent of a one hit wonder, but I do find Cashill's thesis, speculative though it may be, compelling. 'Intriguing' is perhaps a better word. Pres. Obama has lied about so many things during his campaigns and over the course of his presidency that I owe him no strong presumption of innocence.
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Post by Opti on Nov 30, 2015 23:09:24 GMT -5
Precious little time in the 1990s?
I have no idea of Obama's former writing quality nor do I really care, but *&%#@! on the time thing. Maybe Obama did have tons of help for that first book. Seems Cashill could have used some of that help too.
The publicity from his election as the first African American president of the Harvard Law Review led to a contract and advance to write a book about race relations.[63] In an effort to recruit him to their faculty, the University of Chicago Law School provided Obama with a fellowship and an office to work on his book.[63] He originally planned to finish the book in one year, but it took much longer as the book evolved into a personal memoir. In order to work without interruptions, Obama and his wife, Michelle, traveled to Bali where he wrote for several months. The manuscript was finally published as Dreams from My Father in mid-1995.[63]
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Somewhat related, I believe the book 'The Name of the Wind' by Patrick Rothfuss was praised for its lyrical qualities. It was also polished over the years by friends and book groups I believe. His subsequent books, while good, have much less polish and flow. en.wikipedia.org/wiki/The_Name_of_the_Wind
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Post by djAdvocate on Nov 30, 2015 23:52:25 GMT -5
i gave four examples of how this could happen. did you know any of those names? I knew about Lee because of the recent controversy. I'd never heard of the others, but your point was clear enough. Let's be clear: Mr. Cashill's claim isn't that "Dreams of My Father" was Pres. Obama's only popular work, it's that it's his only lucid work. It's the only work where the author demonstrates an awareness of the mechanics of the language. It's the only work where thoughts are structured and flow freely rather than blundering from point to point. Hence unless you're telling me that all of the above authors were hack essayists before and after their one hit, I fail to see the relevance. It seems to me they were competent writers whose other works were decent but simply failed to live up to the dizzying highs of their one masterpiece. The other half of Mr. Cashill's thesis is to establish a profile of Pres. Obama as a chronically sluggish writer and then ask the question of where he found the time to author his piece de resistance during a period in his life where he'd have had precious little time to do so. It's quite possible that you're right and Pres. Obama just is the literary equivalent of a one hit wonder, but I do find Cashill's thesis, speculative though it may be, compelling. 'Intriguing' is perhaps a better word. Pres. Obama has lied about so many things during his campaigns and over the course of his presidency that I owe him no strong presumption of innocence. i never claimed that Cashill claimed that it was his only work. i claimed that he claimed it was GOOD, and that he had no history of good work. would you not agree that this is ALSO true of writers who have NO history, good OR bad? i guess not, or you would not have rebutted me. but my point was that i think Obama is quite capable of good written work, even if Cashill doesn't. i find Cashills analysis highly speculative- but i am disposed against him, given his long history with WND. edit: i guess what i am saying is that i find Cashill a more reliable lair than Obama.
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Post by djAdvocate on Dec 1, 2015 0:05:23 GMT -5
i only knew one of the four, but between us, we knew three. You only knew one of the four? From your own quiz?
I can't tell you how disappointing it is to see that you have apparently joined the crowd here who post about things they know little or nothing about. I thought others had that market cornered....
LOL! well, if it makes you feel any better, i have read all of those works, i just didn't remember the authors.
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Post by djAdvocate on Dec 1, 2015 0:06:58 GMT -5
After Google, I'm pretty OK with having no clue about Ralph Ellison. that is a great book. i reread it about a month ago. it is perhaps the best race novel ever written.
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Post by tallguy on Dec 1, 2015 0:09:05 GMT -5
Yes, that does make me feel better. Thank you.
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Post by tallguy on Dec 1, 2015 0:17:20 GMT -5
Yeah, I would think so, based on your description. "Compelling" implies powerful and convincing. Your description of it implies anything but.
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Post by djAdvocate on Dec 1, 2015 0:27:14 GMT -5
Yeah, I would think so, based on your description. "Compelling" implies powerful and convincing. Your description of it implies anything but. pedantic is the new compelling.
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‘Love’ and Disbelief Follow Donald Trump Meeting With Black LeadersMr. Trump’s campaign initially boasted that 100 black ministers would gather with him. But photos provided by his aide on Monday afternoon showed a crowd of about half that size, including Trump staff members. Despite the public expressions of skepticism, Mr. Trump insisted that several of the ministers expressed admiration for him. After the meeting, the Trump campaign said it would connect a reporter to an attendee who could testify to Mr. Trump’s sincerity. At that point, Bruce LeVell of Atlanta, got on the phone. “It was very successful,” Mr. LeVell said of the meeting. “It was like sitting in his living room having a conversation. There was no tension.” Other than the organizer of the event, Mr. LeVell was the only participant to provide a quote for a news release issued by Mr. Trump after the gathering. It turns out, however, that Mr. LeVell is not a minister. He is a local Republican politician in Georgia. The campaign later apologized for the confusion, saying Mr. LeVell “is a prominent member” of his church. On Monday night he was headed home to Atlanta on Mr. Trump’s private plane. Mr. Trump, he said, had invited him aboard. “I got a free ticket,” Mr. LeVell explained. link
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