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Post by djAdvocate on Nov 22, 2015 13:25:21 GMT -5
if waterboarding is peanuts, why not something less peanuts? this guy is dangerous. i no longer like him.
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Post by dondub on Nov 22, 2015 13:52:53 GMT -5
At some point you did?
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Post by djAdvocate on Nov 22, 2015 14:07:24 GMT -5
At some point you did? sure. he is not that unlikeable, don. he is entertaining, and generally congenial. but he has a dark edge to him, and i am not liking it.
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Post by dondub on Nov 22, 2015 14:10:45 GMT -5
I had plenty of experience with a narcissist during this lifetime. Yes, entertaining and congenial was part of the profile. Dark edge was a bigger part.
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Post by djAdvocate on Nov 22, 2015 14:20:45 GMT -5
I had plenty of experience with a narcissist during this lifetime. Yes, entertaining and congenial was part of the profile. Dark edge was a bigger part. me too. however, i think most candidates are at least slightly narcissistic, so it just comes with the territory. do i think Trump is exceptionally narcissistic? yes i do. i halfway expect him to play the Birther card on Cruz any day now.
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Post by dondub on Nov 22, 2015 14:24:35 GMT -5
Desperate men seek desperate measures.
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Post by djAdvocate on Nov 22, 2015 14:29:32 GMT -5
Desperate men seek desperate measures. i suspect that at least one of these candidates is utterly without scruples.
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Post by tallguy on Nov 22, 2015 14:34:16 GMT -5
At some point you did? sure. he is not that unlikeable, don. he is entertaining, and generally congenial. but he has a dark edge to him, and i am not liking it. He seems to me easy to like on a personal level, as long as you are not on the wrong side of him. He is difficult to like as a potential President. While a humorous braggadocio is sometimes fun to watch, there seems to be a mean-spiritedness and imperiousness to him that is totally unsuited to being a good President.
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Post by djAdvocate on Nov 22, 2015 14:39:35 GMT -5
sure. he is not that unlikeable, don. he is entertaining, and generally congenial. but he has a dark edge to him, and i am not liking it. He seems to me easy to like on a personal level, as long as you are not on the wrong side of him. He is difficult to like as a potential President. While a humorous braggadocio is sometimes fun to watch, there seems to be a mean-spiritedness and imperiousness to him that is totally unsuited to being a good President. this is kind of where the rubber hits the road to me. he is fun as a candidate, but that is where it ends for me.
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Post by tallguy on Nov 22, 2015 14:52:45 GMT -5
Oh yeah, he is fun as a candidate. Alternately entertaining and infuriating depending on whether you take his shtick seriously or not. Gotta wonder about anyone who thinks he can legitimately govern in a world that faces what we do currently though.
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Post by mmhmm on Nov 22, 2015 14:54:00 GMT -5
At some point you did? sure. he is not that unlikeable, don. he is entertaining, and generally congenial. but he has a dark edge to him, and i am not liking it. As far as I'm concerned, the guy is a loose cannon. I, for one, don't want that kind of person in charge of this country.
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Post by djAdvocate on Nov 22, 2015 14:54:39 GMT -5
Oh yeah, he is fun as a candidate. Alternately entertaining and infuriating depending on whether you take his shtick seriously or not. Gotta wonder about anyone who thinks he can legitimately govern in a world that faces what we do currently though. i am still trying to decide whether the pervasive fear plays out in his favor or not. i know that it tends to elevate authority. it is why Dr. A did so well in Iran. he could never have become leader without the threat from the West. will we choose MORE autocratic leaders like Trump, or fall back on more institutional candidates? i honestly don't know. it is the great mystery of 2016.
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Post by fishy999 on Nov 22, 2015 18:41:52 GMT -5
I really want him on top all the way to the convention- I want to see how the GOP deals with him. Even better let him run as a third party. I think everyone should know- from political parties to citizens- just how many people follow his hateful rhetoric.
Like it or not, Trump knows exactly how to stay on top- and once the waterboarding or other recent outrageous comments subside, he will push the bar- because he has no real plan to be the president. Like any reality show star knows- all publicity is good publicity. He is starting to remind me of wrestling- the heel.
I really want to know how far this country has gone- my hope is less than 10% of the entire population would vote for him, my fear is that more than 10% would.
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Post by djAdvocate on Nov 23, 2015 11:37:43 GMT -5
yeah, because it just works so great for obtaining useful information..... please do me a favor, America- keep these folks as far away from the Oval Office as possible.
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Is there no end to this buffoon and liar? Trump retweets fake, racially charged crime data from non-existent group
Washington (CNN)Donald Trump retweeted an image Sunday that compares black-on-black murders to police killings. Trump's @realdonaldtrump Twitter account highlighted a photograph featuring a dark-skinned man wearing a bandana, a dark shirt and military-style pants and holding a handgun sideways and claiming to list 2015 crime statistics. It includes six lines. Two of them: "BLACKS KILLED BY POLICE ~~ 1%" and "BLACKS KILLED BY BLACKS ~~ 97%." The figures Trump retweeted overstate the number of homicides committed by blacks. It also doesn't appear that the "Crime Statistics Bureau - San Francisco" that Trump's retweet referenced exists. It's not the name of a government agency. According to FBI statistics, of the 2,451 homicides of black people in 2014, 90% were committed by black people, while 8% of the offenders were white. That sort of racial disparity isn't uncommon: Of the 3,021 homicides of white people in 2014, 82% were committed by white people, while 15% of the offenders were black. The figures Trump retweeted inaccurately stated that 81% of white homicide victims are killed by blacks. Trump retweets fake, racially charged crime data from non-existent group
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Is there no end to this buffoon and liar? Trump retweets fake, racially charged crime data from non-existent group
Washington (CNN)Donald Trump retweeted an image Sunday that compares black-on-black murders to police killings. Trump's @realdonaldtrump Twitter account highlighted a photograph featuring a dark-skinned man wearing a bandana, a dark shirt and military-style pants and holding a handgun sideways and claiming to list 2015 crime statistics. It includes six lines. Two of them: "BLACKS KILLED BY POLICE ~~ 1%" and "BLACKS KILLED BY BLACKS ~~ 97%." The figures Trump retweeted overstate the number of homicides committed by blacks. It also doesn't appear that the "Crime Statistics Bureau - San Francisco" that Trump's retweet referenced exists. It's not the name of a government agency. According to FBI statistics, of the 2,451 homicides of black people in 2014, 90% were committed by black people, while 8% of the offenders were white. That sort of racial disparity isn't uncommon: Of the 3,021 homicides of white people in 2014, 82% were committed by white people, while 15% of the offenders were black. The figures Trump retweeted inaccurately stated that 81% of white homicide victims are killed by blacks. Trump retweets fake, racially charged crime data from non-existent groupThe most obvious false part of it is that the whites killed by whites/blacks is just about backwards- whites killed by whites is in the 80th percentile. This is the kind of garbage you find at stormfront- so congratulations Trump- you are either a racist, employ racists, or are intentionally appealing to racists- I'd bet on all three based on his history.
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Post by fishy999 on Nov 23, 2015 19:59:22 GMT -5
"Quite often, however, the Trump’s-really-got-a-chance! case is rooted almost entirely in polls. If nothing Trump has said so far has harmed his standing with Republicans, the argument goes, why should we expect him to fade later on? One problem with this is that it’s not enough for Trump to merely avoid fading. Right now, he has 25 to 30 percent of the vote in polls among the roughly 25 percent of Americans who identify as Republican. (That’s something like 6 to 8 percent of the electorate overall, or about the same share of people who think the Apollo moon landings were faked.) As the rest of the field consolidates around him, Trump will need to gain additional support to win the nomination" fivethirtyeight.com/features/dear-media-stop-freaking-out-about-donald-trumps-polls/
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Post by Opti on Nov 23, 2015 19:59:01 GMT -5
This thousands and thousands of people cheering in NJ stuff really bothers me. I do not remember that at all. I do remember some isolated folks in NYC cheering, but nowhere near thousands and thousands.
I guess Trump hates NJ.
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Post by Tennesseer on Nov 23, 2015 20:05:29 GMT -5
Is there no end to this buffoon and liar? Trump retweets fake, racially charged crime data from non-existent group
Washington (CNN)Donald Trump retweeted an image Sunday that compares black-on-black murders to police killings. Trump's @realdonaldtrump Twitter account highlighted a photograph featuring a dark-skinned man wearing a bandana, a dark shirt and military-style pants and holding a handgun sideways and claiming to list 2015 crime statistics. It includes six lines. Two of them: "BLACKS KILLED BY POLICE ~~ 1%" and "BLACKS KILLED BY BLACKS ~~ 97%." The figures Trump retweeted overstate the number of homicides committed by blacks. It also doesn't appear that the "Crime Statistics Bureau - San Francisco" that Trump's retweet referenced exists. It's not the name of a government agency. According to FBI statistics, of the 2,451 homicides of black people in 2014, 90% were committed by black people, while 8% of the offenders were white. That sort of racial disparity isn't uncommon: Of the 3,021 homicides of white people in 2014, 82% were committed by white people, while 15% of the offenders were black. The figures Trump retweeted inaccurately stated that 81% of white homicide victims are killed by blacks. Trump retweets fake, racially charged crime data from non-existent groupThe most obvious false part of it is that the whites killed by whites/blacks is just about backwards- whites killed by whites is in the 80th percentile. This is the kind of garbage you find at stormfront- so congratulations Trump- you are either a racist, employ racists, or are intentionally appealing to racists- I'd bet on all three based on his history. I am starting to think Trump is trying to turn the races against each other. Starting to pit the ethnic groups against each other. The religions against each other. And a number of his fans are falling all over it.
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Post by djAdvocate on Nov 23, 2015 20:13:30 GMT -5
this sort of petty fraud confirms right wing fears, so it won't even be questioned.
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Post by Tennesseer on Nov 23, 2015 20:14:06 GMT -5
This thousands and thousands of people cheering in NJ stuff really bothers me. I do not remember that at all. I do remember some isolated folks in NYC cheering, but nowhere near thousands and thousands.
I guess Trump hates NJ.
No one remembers anything like that happening in NJ. Carson said today he remembered seeing the jubilation in NJ. too. Carson later corrected himself and said he saw it in the Middle East. Carson just wants the Republicans to know there isn't that much difference between himself and Trump other than the fact Trump is a loudmouth and Carson affects Americans like a good barbiturate.. .
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Post by fishy999 on Nov 23, 2015 22:07:27 GMT -5
I am puzzled now- it appears both Limbaugh and FOX are defending Trump's latest rants- was Rush a Trump supporter this whole time? And I thought Trump pissed of FOX- yet today one of their pundits came out in support of waterboarding and how it led us to Bin Laden?!?!
Then I read the big donors are gearing up to take out Trump- what the hell? I thought FOX was a tool of the big donors. Rush is pretty much Trump junior- he is out for himself but why ride the hate wave? They are all crazy.
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Post by djAdvocate on Nov 23, 2015 22:25:22 GMT -5
it is a very poor reading of history to think that torture had anything to do with finding Bin Laden.
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Post by AgeOfEnlightenmentSCP on Nov 23, 2015 22:49:36 GMT -5
I'll tell you the ONE thing I like about Trump, and it is probably the most appealing trait of his, and probably explains the support he gets from conservatives (he actually leads Ted Cruz among "very conservative" or "strongly conservative" voters, and that is: Trump does not take shit from anyone. Some member of a domestic terrorist organization decides to disrupt a Trump event: get him out of here. Same individual whines about getting his ass kicked: maybe he should have been roughed up. Waterboarding? They're chopping peoples heads off, they're drowning them in cages, yeah- I'll put a wash cloth on their face and pour a little water on them. (By the way- I was waterboarded this summer because I just wanted to know where I really stood on it. Strapped down, feet up, head down, towel on face, 5 gallon bucket-- it is definitely highly unpleasant. I would not say I was "tortured". I think with approval, oversight, and strict adherence to rules with supervision, a waterboarding process could and probably should be used). The guy just does not give a shit what the drive-by media says. How many times has he supposedly "imploded"? How many times was he pronounced as "fading"? Trump is the the right personality type to benefit from the fact that the anti-American, multi-cultural, tax and spend left and the borrow and spend left-lite in the GOP have brought us to a tipping point. There are finally enough Howard Beal's out there that it doesn't matter what the guy says or does: he's the embodiment of "enough is enough", and this time, they mean it. Trump defies predictions that he'd fall in the polls after the Paris attacks. I think any moron could have told you that ISIS may just have elected Trump in Paris, but for some reason, the conventional wisdome concerning Mr. Trump is ALWAYS wrong. www.rushlimbaugh.com/daily/2015/11/23/trump_defies_predictions_that_he_d_fall_in_the_polls_after_the_paris_attacks
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Post by AgeOfEnlightenmentSCP on Nov 23, 2015 22:51:42 GMT -5
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Post by AgeOfEnlightenmentSCP on Nov 23, 2015 22:53:42 GMT -5
i can't control what they do, only how i respond to it. I can't personally control it, and the government-- even at its very best-- can't control or prevent every situation. What they can do, however, is make sure they at least don't make it worse-- and they can get out of our way in terms of arming ourselves and being ready.
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I'll tell you the ONE thing I like about Trump, and it is probably the most appealing trait of his, and probably explains the support he gets from conservatives (he actually leads Ted Cruz among "very conservative" or "strongly conservative" voters, and that is: Trump does not take shit from anyone. Some member of a domestic terrorist organization decides to disrupt a Trump event: get him out of here. Same individual whines about getting his ass kicked: maybe he should have been roughed up. Waterboarding? They're chopping peoples heads off, they're drowning them in cages, yeah- I'll put a wash cloth on their face and pour a little water on them. (By the way- I was waterboarded this summer because I just wanted to know where I really stood on it. Strapped down, feet up, head down, towel on face, 5 gallon bucket-- it is definitely highly unpleasant. I would not say I was "tortured". I think with approval, oversight, and strict adherence to rules with supervision, a waterboarding process could and probably should be used). The guy just does not give a shit what the drive-by media says. How many times has he supposedly "imploded"? How many times was he pronounced as "fading"? Trump is the the right personality type to benefit from the fact that the anti-American, multi-cultural, tax and spend left and the borrow and spend left-lite in the GOP have brought us to a tipping point. There are finally enough Howard Beal's out there that it doesn't matter what the guy says or does: he's the embodiment of "enough is enough", and this time, they mean it. Trump defies predictions that he'd fall in the polls after the Paris attacks. I think any moron could have told you that ISIS may just have elected Trump in Paris, but for some reason, the conventional wisdome concerning Mr. Trump is ALWAYS wrong. www.rushlimbaugh.com/daily/2015/11/23/trump_defies_predictions_that_he_d_fall_in_the_polls_after_the_paris_attacks Don't we usually send domestic terrorists to prison or the execute them by lethal injection? No charges for Alabama protesters removed from Trump rally or for rally-goers who attacked themAlabama-based Black Lives Matter organizer Mercutio Southall Jr. and two other demonstrators who were forcefully removed for interrupting a Donald Trump rally on Saturday will not face criminal charges. And, for now, police say, neither will rally-goers seen on video choking and kicking the activists as they were removed. No charges for Alabama protesters removed from Trump rally or for rally-goers who attacked them
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Post by AgeOfEnlightenmentSCP on Nov 23, 2015 23:02:21 GMT -5
I really want him on top all the way to the convention- I want to see how the GOP deals with him. Even better let him run as a third party. I think everyone should know- from political parties to citizens- just how many people follow his hateful rhetoric. Like it or not, Trump knows exactly how to stay on top- and once the waterboarding or other recent outrageous comments subside, he will push the bar- because he has no real plan to be the president. Like any reality show star knows- all publicity is good publicity. He is starting to remind me of wrestling- the heel. I really want to know how far this country has gone- my hope is less than 10% of the entire population would vote for him, my fear is that more than 10% would. I think the comments are helping. No, I KNOW the comments are helping. My wife- Momma Bear- is on board the Trump Train. She knows he isn't perfect. I have actually persuaded her Ted Cruz is the near-perfect conservative candidate. She doesn't care. In her opinion, she KNOWS Trump will kick ass. As far as she's concerned, Trump, more than anyone else, will scour the earth to cleanse it from radical islam. Her opinion is, "Fuck it. We're at war. We need to WIN, and Trump knows how to WIN", and "What good will it do to cut taxes, balance the budget, and shut down the EPA if we're all dead?". In other words, my quiet, mostly a-political (nominally conservative- in reality moderate Republican- spouse is gung-ho for the Trumpster. Changed her party affiliation from NPA to Republican to vote in the primary- usually skips the primary. I'm frankly shocked. And willing to change my vote- or at least say I have- for sexual favors.
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