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Post by djAdvocate on Sept 24, 2015 12:23:42 GMT -5
Trump has announced he is boycotting Fox News. No more interviews. He feels they are not fair to him. Who would have thought he would feel more comfortable with MSNBC than Fox? oh good. we are going to get to test the FOX theory, now. are they REALLY the kingmakers? my guess = no. but i also suspect this is not good for Trump, in that it bolsters the petulant spoiled rich kid image that we are getting.
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Post by Value Buy on Sept 25, 2015 7:44:03 GMT -5
Trump has announced he is boycotting Fox News. No more interviews. He feels they are not fair to him. Who would have thought he would feel more comfortable with MSNBC than Fox? oh good. we are going to get to test the FOX theory, now. are they REALLY the kingmakers? my guess = no. but i also suspect this is not good for Trump, in that it bolsters the petulant spoiled rich kid image that we are getting. He did say O'reilly is still an ok guy
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Post by Value Buy on Sept 25, 2015 7:48:57 GMT -5
Trump has announced he is boycotting Fox News. No more interviews. He feels they are not fair to him. Who would have thought he would feel more comfortable with MSNBC than Fox? oh good. we are going to get to test the FOX theory, now. are they REALLY the kingmakers? my guess = no. but i also suspect this is not good for Trump, in that it bolsters the petulant spoiled rich kid image that we are getting. Maybe Trump can propose to MSNBC a debate for them. Since they were frozen out of the Republican debate process, they would appreciate a Carly/Donald debate. One thing no one talks about is Trump, being the brash New Yorker who talks his mind. I am thinking he has a large built in NYC base that kind of likes that personna. as well as eastern NY residents who also" think" the things Trump says. When does NY state polling data start coming out?
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Post by Tennesseer on Sept 26, 2015 13:21:54 GMT -5
Mike Huckabee Takes on Rainbow-Colored Doritos
Republican presidential candidate Mike Huckabee has a new enemy: Doritos Rainbows. After Frito-Lay this month said it would mail rainbow-colored Doritos chips to consumers who donate money to the It Gets Better Project, a nonprofit helping the lesbian, gay, bisexual and transgender community, Huckabee went on the offense against the snack-maker. In a letter his campaign said he sent Frito-Lay on Tuesday, Huckabee said Dan Savage, the man behind the group benefiting from the bags, has for years made “very hateful and vulgar comments toward Christians” and called “for violence and injury to people he disagrees with.” The letter follows one four days earlier in which Huckabee first asked Frito-Lay, a subsidiary of PepsiCo that produces Doritos, to stop raising money for Savage’s project, according to Huckabee’s campaign, which said Thursday he had yet to receive a response to either one. Full article here: Mike Huckabee Takes on Rainbow-Colored DoritosPitiful. Just pitiful.
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Post by tallguy on Sept 26, 2015 13:33:13 GMT -5
Yes, he is. Always has been as far as I can tell. And REALLY embarrassing for us as a nation that there are people who think him worthy of our top office.
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Post by dondub on Sept 26, 2015 13:37:01 GMT -5
He knows he has no chance and is simply pandering to his viewers and listeners to cash in as much as possible until his 15 minutes of infamy ends. Then he can crawl back under his cross shaped rock.
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Post by marvholly on Sept 27, 2015 5:30:39 GMT -5
Any bets or estimates of when Huckabee drops out. It is already WAAAAY past time for him & Cruz to go and probably several others. Voters need to concentrate on the possible not their personal wish lists. Of course I am probably just as guilty because I have a line in the sand issue.
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Post by djAdvocate on Sept 27, 2015 11:52:12 GMT -5
Any bets or estimates of when Huckabee drops out. It is already WAAAAY past time for him & Cruz to go and probably several others. Voters need to concentrate on the possible not their personal wish lists. Of course I am probably just as guilty because I have a line in the sand issue. check my Bush thread. i think Huck will make it through next year. there are SEVEN OTHERS THAT either won't or shouldn't, however.
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Post by djAdvocate on Sept 27, 2015 14:41:16 GMT -5
NBC/WSJ 9/20 - 9/24 21 20 11 11 7 5 6 3 2 3 1 -- 0 1 0 Trump +1
this is an amazing survey. Carson is now only 1% behind Trump!
i strike what i said on the Bush thread. i think Carson and Fiorina, and maybe Rubio have a chance of catching Trump.
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Post by AgeOfEnlightenmentSCP on Sept 27, 2015 22:54:14 GMT -5
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Post by djAdvocate on Sept 27, 2015 23:13:12 GMT -5
Conventional wisdom that Trump has peaked, or is falling behind in the polls doesn't appear to hold water. i think Trump has peaked, Paul. he has had three polls over 30%, but none in the last two weeks. his latest poll -vs- Carson is a dead heat. i have NEVER seen a case where state polls did not follow the national polls, in terms of momentum. for example, when Walker lead in early polling back in February, he was KILLING in the state polls, as well. i think one of you partisans posted on his early lead in (memory straining here) Iowa. but as he falls further and further back in the national polls, people recognized he was not going to make it. the state polls LAG the national polls. the same will happen to Trump. North Carolina is a really good example. in August, Trump lead Carson by 10% in NC. that same week, a national poll had him at 11%. this week, in the Elon poll in NC, Trump was up by 1%- again, the same as the national WSJ poll. state polling is not done as often (and is generally less accurate) than national polling. and there are fewer samples- because let's be honest for a second- nobody gives a shit how Trump is doing in a state like Ohio right now. Ohio, NC, FL and other swing states will generally follow the US polling, because the demographics are balanced, like the are in the US. so, no i am not buying The Hill's analysis, here. i think Trump is going to get a challenge. NOTE: i don't care what Trump does. honest. i think he is a terrible candidate, but if he wins, that is fine with me. if he is anti-war, i might even vote for him, because Clinton sure as hell isn't.
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Post by djAdvocate on Sept 27, 2015 23:26:23 GMT -5
by the way, The Hill is cherrypicking the data. they mentioned New Hampshire. did they mention that three polls had Trump up by 16-28% in late August? on September 14th, he lead there by an AVERAGE of 20%. so, sure, he is still up. but the RCP average is 11%, not 15%. that is a drop of 9%. and sure, that is still a HUGE lead (in a meaningless state)- but it is HALF of what his lead was TWO WEEKS AGO. let me ask you something, Paul- why do you WANT Trump to "not have peaked"?
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Post by AgeOfEnlightenmentSCP on Sept 27, 2015 23:32:04 GMT -5
I keep waiting for Trump to get a serious challenge. The whole thing is rather incredible to watch. He hasn't said much beyond, "It's gonna be great. You're gonna love it." concerning his policies. In the meantime, you've got real movement candidates like Rand Paul, and Ted Cruz sucking wind; the RINOs can't get out of the 1%-- and let's be real, the inflating that has to be going on to get Jeb to 5th - 7th place depending on the state has got to be burning up the bicycle pump. In the meantime, Trump is taking a media drubbing the likes of which I haven't seen since Bush Derangement Syndrome was epidemic, and he's steady. Yes, Carson is moving up-- but he's not poaching Trump voters. And yes, I recognize there are enough other voters-- even at 40%, you've still got 60% that could potentially rally around someone else and beat Trump. Trump doesn't sound very anti-war to me, btw. He's not small government, either. I don't get the appeal on the right, frankly. As I've said before, it may just come down to the election being more about Americanism and patriotism than conservatism.
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Post by djAdvocate on Sept 27, 2015 23:33:30 GMT -5
look, you know what? you can think whatever you like. so can The Hill. but they are looking at the past, and i am actually looking at the present. i think the blush has come off the Trump campaign. i think that Carson is going to catch him. now, i might be 100% wrong, but i am willing to gamble on that based on my years of poll watching. if i am wrong, i can live with that. i have been wrong before. just not as often as you. edit: i have to disagree with you about Trump's media saavy tho: it sucks. he whines when people criticize his HAIR for Christ's sake. his childishness in terms of handling criticism is pathetic, imo. he acts like ZsaZsa Gabor: "how dare they criticize the great and powerful Oz". it was old a month ago, and it is super duper old now, and 12 months from now, it will be so old that i seriously doubt anyone is going to like it other than you.
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Post by lynnerself on Sept 28, 2015 1:53:10 GMT -5
Trumps own words from the 60 minutes interview www.cbsnews.com/news/donald-trump-60-minutes-scott-pelley/About taxes "It's a substantial reduction for the middle-income people. Because our middle class, Scott, is being absolutely decimated. It will be a corporate also reduction, I think it'll be a great incentive for corporations." "If you look at actually raise, some very wealthy are going to be raised. Some people that are getting unfair deductions are going to be raised. " "I will say this, there will be a large segment of our country that will have a zero rate, a zero rate." About getting jobs back "Well, the president does it by not allowing places like China to devaluate, you know, they devalue their currency," "Let's say Ford-- let's say Ford moves to Mexico. If they want to sell that car in the United States they pay a tax." About NAFTA "It's a disaster.......we will either renegotiate it or we will break it. " About deporting illegal aliens "We're rounding 'em up in a very humane way, in a very nice way. And they're going to be happy because they want to be legalized." About the Mexico wall "It will be a real wall. It'll be a wall that works. It'll actually be a wall that will look good, believe it or not. 'Cause what they have now is a joke. They're-- they're ugly, little and don't work." "And you know, when I talk about the wall, and I said it before, we're going to have a tremendous, beautiful, wide-open door. Nice big door." ISIS in Syria "If you look at Syria. Russia wants to get rid of ISIS. We want to get rid of ISIS. Maybe let Russia do it. Let 'em get rid of ISIS. What the hell do we care?" North Korea "China has extreme control over North Korea. And I would say, "China, you better go in there and you better do something because economically it could cause China--" "Just like I have the Chinese banks in my buildings, they listen to me, they respect me. China has almost complete control over North Korea. China will do that. And if they don't do that, they have to suffer economically because we have the engine that makes China work. " Obamacare "Obamacare's going to be repealed and replaced." "I am going to take care of everybody. I don't care if it costs me votes or not. Everybody's going to be taken care of much better than they're taken care of now. I would make a deal with existing hospitals to take care of people. And, you know what, if this is probably--" "the government's gonna pay for it. " On working with congress "that's--oh, I'll get along-- I get-- I've gotten along with politicians my whole life. I've made a fortune on politicians. Nobody knows politicians better than I do. I get along with politicians." To me, the interview seemed to boil down to, he would cut taxes and restrict trade and that would make the economy so much stronger that we can fund everything we want. And he could get this all done because he is Donald Trump.
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Post by weltschmerz on Sept 28, 2015 2:27:13 GMT -5
Tranquilizer darts?
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Post by AgeOfEnlightenmentSCP on Sept 28, 2015 7:42:14 GMT -5
I presume your home has walls. And a door. So, you are familiar with the concept of not having a house full of undocumented houseguests?
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Post by AgeOfEnlightenmentSCP on Sept 28, 2015 7:50:57 GMT -5
How would cutting and running from Afghanistan and Iraq (the current strategy) and letting Russia deal with ISIS have a different outcome save for the fact that we might get some free trade out of the deal? Looking back, is there any doubt that the 'brilliant' strategy of 'saving' Afghanistan from the Russians by handing it over to islamist tribal war lords was a giant failure? We created jihad there as part of our cold war strategy-- leverage radical islam to fend off the Russians. Why? Perhaps we should have let Russia deal with the islamists the way they're famous for dealing with people. Maybe we should not have betrayed our Serbian allies in the 1990's. Maybe if people are busy exterminating islamists- we should stay the fuck out of their way?
What good did it do us? The sad part is that Russia is going to end up with these places anyway. We're not going to confront the Russians in Ukraine, or elsewhere. We lack the will, and given the state of our military now- we probably lack the ability. Especially given that we can't ignore China and their undoubtedly planned aggression in the South China Sea, and Pacific Rim-- nevermind their client state, North Korea-- and we'd have to watch our back door in Alaska and the West Coast where the Russians are flying nuclear capable bombers in our airspace.
In short, Trump might just be stating the obvious here. Let 'em at 'em, and then cut a good deal to keep the peace, keep the oil flowing, and have good relations with the Russians-- screw the Arabs and the islamists. And as an added bonus: no WWIII.
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Post by billisonboard on Sept 28, 2015 8:30:00 GMT -5
Trumps own words from the 60 minutes interview www.cbsnews.com/news/donald-trump-60-minutes-scott-pelley/... About the Mexico wall "It will be a real wall. It'll be a wall that works. It'll actually be a wall that will look good, believe it or not. 'Cause what they have now is a joke. They're-- they're ugly, little and don't work." "And you know, when I talk about the wall, and I said it before, we're going to have a tremendous, beautiful, wide-open door. Nice big door." ... “Oh, it's quite simple. If you are a friend, you speak the password, and the doors will open.” – Gandalf
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Post by Value Buy on Sept 28, 2015 8:37:06 GMT -5
I found the final third of Sixty Minutes interesting.
It covered the Mexican druglord's escape from the Mexican prison by the tunnel dug for his escape.
The rest of the segment dealt with the tunnels he has built going from Mexico to California for transmitting drugs. One tunnel was 90 feet below the ground above. I imagine it cut through a hill rather than went down 90 feet, but still, I assume they will tunnel under the darn wall. With the price of drugs, I imagine it will not really be used for human trafficing. Hard to herd a million illegals through a tunnel, and return of dollars on the drugs is better.
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Post by billisonboard on Sept 28, 2015 8:41:46 GMT -5
Does he truly believe the President has the power to do this?
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Post by AgeOfEnlightenmentSCP on Sept 28, 2015 8:41:26 GMT -5
Again, billisonboard , I presume your house has walls? And a door? How many "undocumented" house guests do you have? See, I know you understand the concept. The sophistry on immigration policy and border security gets old after awhile.
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Post by billisonboard on Sept 28, 2015 9:01:55 GMT -5
Again, billisonboard , I presume your house has walls? And a door? How many "undocumented" house guests do you have? See, I know you understand the concept. The sophistry on immigration policy and border security gets old after awhile. Actually, I have had many over the years. They have found their way past the walls quite easily. I have found it necessary to include an exterminator to keep them out. What poison will we be using at the wall?
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Post by Value Buy on Sept 28, 2015 9:33:11 GMT -5
Well, it's obvious Europe has learned the problem with illegal aliens. The Crusade war is playing out again, only this time in Europe. There are no Knights left to win for the Europeans.
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Post by djAdvocate on Sept 28, 2015 10:32:15 GMT -5
Trumps own words from the 60 minutes interview www.cbsnews.com/news/donald-trump-60-minutes-scott-pelley/About taxes "It's a substantial reduction for the middle-income people. Because our middle class, Scott, is being absolutely decimated. It will be a corporate also reduction, I think it'll be a great incentive for corporations." "If you look at actually raise, some very wealthy are going to be raised. Some people that are getting unfair deductions are going to be raised. " "I will say this, there will be a large segment of our country that will have a zero rate, a zero rate." About getting jobs back "Well, the president does it by not allowing places like China to devaluate, you know, they devalue their currency," "Let's say Ford-- let's say Ford moves to Mexico. If they want to sell that car in the United States they pay a tax." About NAFTA "It's a disaster.......we will either renegotiate it or we will break it. " About deporting illegal aliens "We're rounding 'em up in a very humane way, in a very nice way. And they're going to be happy because they want to be legalized." About the Mexico wall "It will be a real wall. It'll be a wall that works. It'll actually be a wall that will look good, believe it or not. 'Cause what they have now is a joke. They're-- they're ugly, little and don't work." "And you know, when I talk about the wall, and I said it before, we're going to have a tremendous, beautiful, wide-open door. Nice big door." ISIS in Syria "If you look at Syria. Russia wants to get rid of ISIS. We want to get rid of ISIS. Maybe let Russia do it. Let 'em get rid of ISIS. What the hell do we care?" North Korea "China has extreme control over North Korea. And I would say, "China, you better go in there and you better do something because economically it could cause China--" "Just like I have the Chinese banks in my buildings, they listen to me, they respect me. China has almost complete control over North Korea. China will do that. And if they don't do that, they have to suffer economically because we have the engine that makes China work. " Obamacare "Obamacare's going to be repealed and replaced." "I am going to take care of everybody. I don't care if it costs me votes or not. Everybody's going to be taken care of much better than they're taken care of now. I would make a deal with existing hospitals to take care of people. And, you know what, if this is probably--" "the government's gonna pay for it. " On working with congress "that's--oh, I'll get along-- I get-- I've gotten along with politicians my whole life. I've made a fortune on politicians. Nobody knows politicians better than I do. I get along with politicians." To me, the interview seemed to boil down to, he would cut taxes and restrict trade and that would make the economy so much stronger that we can fund everything we want. And he could get this all done because he is Donald Trump. my child could speak better than this when he was 10. i am thinking Trump is not as bright as he says he is.
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Post by AgeOfEnlightenmentSCP on Sept 28, 2015 10:47:30 GMT -5
Again, billisonboard , I presume your house has walls? And a door? How many "undocumented" house guests do you have? See, I know you understand the concept. The sophistry on immigration policy and border security gets old after awhile. Actually, I have had many over the years. They have found their way past the walls quite easily. I have found it necessary to include an exterminator to keep them out. What poison will we be using at the wall? You're referring to illegal aliens as cockroaches? Well, there goes your political career.
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Post by Wisconsin Beth on Sept 28, 2015 10:50:58 GMT -5
Huh, I assumed assorted rodents where the uninvited guests...
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Post by lynnerself on Sept 28, 2015 10:51:13 GMT -5
Does he truly believe the President has the power to do this? He's going to enforce it with trade sanctions. Probably my favorite part of the interview: Scott Pelley: The constitution is going to tell you no.
Donald Trump: We'll see.
Scott Pelley: The Congress is going to tell you no.
Donald Trump: We'll see.
Scott Pelley: The Supreme Court is gonna tell you no.
Donald Trump: Well, we'll see.
Scott Pelley: And you're not used to working in an environment like that.
Donald Trump: Look--I do it all the time.
Scott Pelley: Who tells you no?
Donald Trump: I do it all the time.
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Post by AgeOfEnlightenmentSCP on Sept 28, 2015 10:51:32 GMT -5
Well, again djAdvocate and lynnerself -- the political environment is not the same as it once was. It is personally very gratifying to me- just fun to watch- so many who could not explain what Obama meant by hope and change. What were the details and the substance of his actual proposals? Who was this man, and what qualified him to be president?-- to now all of the sudden have to wrap their heads around people supporting someone mainly because they get a sense that he's different, he's an outsider, and they're just ready for "change". I said at the time- in 2008, that this was a mistake. That we would all live to regret the superstar presidential campaign, and the celebrity presidency. And here we are.
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Post by AgeOfEnlightenmentSCP on Sept 28, 2015 10:52:09 GMT -5
Does he truly believe the President has the power to do this? He's going to enforce it with trade sanctions. Probably my favorite part of the interview: Scott Pelley: The constitution is going to tell you no.
Donald Trump: We'll see.
Scott Pelley: The Congress is going to tell you no.
Donald Trump: We'll see.
Scott Pelley: The Supreme Court is gonna tell you no.
Donald Trump: Well, we'll see.
Scott Pelley: And you're not used to working in an environment like that.
Donald Trump: Look--I do it all the time.
Scott Pelley: Who tells you no?
Donald Trump: I do it all the time. I have a pen and a phone - Obama.
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