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Post by AgeOfEnlightenmentSCP on Sept 21, 2015 10:53:26 GMT -5
AgeOfEnlightenmentSCP According to the article that you linked to the largest donor is not Univision, but the former CEO of Univision, who was also nation finance co-chairman for John McCain's 2008 run. Why would that make her toast? It ties her inextricably with the pro-amnesty lobby. McCain was notably pro-amnesty. It's a big part of the reason for his loss. The GOP base has boiled over, and the rest of the country is heating up on illegal aliens and the prospect of amnesty. It's not an issue that a Republican candidate can survive a primary being linked to.
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Post by AgeOfEnlightenmentSCP on Sept 21, 2015 11:10:21 GMT -5
There is no candidate that terrifies me. The fact that some candidates have a widespread following gives me a shiver now and again... It should...Obama supporters' breathtaking readiness to blindly support anything associated with the President by signing a petition which calls for launching a nuclear strike against North Korea, does give me pause.
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Post by AgeOfEnlightenmentSCP on Sept 21, 2015 11:15:25 GMT -5
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Post by Tennesseer on Sept 21, 2015 11:16:11 GMT -5
There is no candidate that terrifies me. The fact that some candidates have a widespread following gives me a shiver now and again... It should...Obama supporters' breathtaking readiness to blindly support anything associated with the President by signing a petition which calls for launching a nuclear strike against North Korea, does give me pause. Says the poster who advocates dropping nuclear bombs on Mecca and Medina.
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Post by Angel! on Sept 21, 2015 11:17:20 GMT -5
Let us start the week by getting a firm grasp on reality: 1. The Carly Fiorina debate "win" followed by her "surge in the polls" was a pre-scripted political and media elite narrative prepared well in advance of the debate. It is Carly's role in the GOP It's divorced from reality, is falling apart, and has only galvanized the still growing Trump support. Fiorina is cannibalizing Carson supporters- so far no one is taking support away from Trump. abc7chicago.com/politics/first-poll-after-gop-debate-shows-trump-still-leading-fiorina-surging/993517/Trump is down 8 points, not sure how that is still growing support. He has peaked and I expect him to continue to lose steam from this point forward.
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Post by billisonboard on Sept 21, 2015 11:24:08 GMT -5
There is no candidate that terrifies me. The fact that some candidates have a widespread following gives me a shiver now and again... It should...Obama supporters' breathtaking readiness to blindly support anything associated with the President by signing a petition which calls for launching a nuclear strike against North Korea, does give me pause. There was one that said they signed out of support for Obama, 3 maybe 4 that just signed it without any comment connecting their signing it to Obama, and 3 that told him he was crazy (including my man wearing the BSU Broncos hat ). How long do you suppose he had to stand there to get the people who signed it? How long to get that one person to connect it to support for Obama?
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Post by Tennesseer on Sept 21, 2015 11:33:30 GMT -5
I would imagine if the guy asking the questions had said George W. Bush, Rand Paul, Herman Cain, or Donald Trump wants to drop nuclear bombs on North Korea, just as many would have signed the form.
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Post by billisonboard on Sept 21, 2015 11:46:28 GMT -5
I always like to go to the polls themselves. Here is one thing I found specifically posted about this poll: When analyzing the survey results and their accuracy, this error estimate should be taken into consideration in much the same way that analysis of probability polls takes into account the margin of sampling error. For example, if 47 percent of voters say they support Candidate A and 43 percent of voters support Candidate B, and the error estimate is plus or minus 3.5 percentage points, Candidate A could be supported by as low as 44 percent of voters and Candidate B could have as high as 47 percent of support. Therefore, Candidate A does not have a "lead." msnbcmedia.msn.com/i/MSNBC/Sections/A_Politics/NBC-SM_ToplinesMethod9%2019.pdf So - Trump was seen as "Most Presidential" by 17%, Bush and Fiorino 14% and Carson 13%. So the four fall within the margin of error and thus none of them "lead" on the matter of "Most Presidential".
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Post by AgeOfEnlightenmentSCP on Sept 21, 2015 12:07:26 GMT -5
I always like to go to the polls themselves. Here is one thing I found specifically posted about this poll: When analyzing the survey results and their accuracy, this error estimate should be taken into consideration in much the same way that analysis of probability polls takes into account the margin of sampling error. For example, if 47 percent of voters say they support Candidate A and 43 percent of voters support Candidate B, and the error estimate is plus or minus 3.5 percentage points, Candidate A could be supported by as low as 44 percent of voters and Candidate B could have as high as 47 percent of support. Therefore, Candidate A does not have a "lead." msnbcmedia.msn.com/i/MSNBC/Sections/A_Politics/NBC-SM_ToplinesMethod9%2019.pdf So - Trump was seen as "Most Presidential" by 17%, Bush and Fiorino 14% and Carson 13%. So the four fall within the margin of error and thus none of them "lead" on the matter of "Most Presidential". No, Trump leads, but it is within the margin of error.
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Post by AgeOfEnlightenmentSCP on Sept 21, 2015 12:08:09 GMT -5
It should...Obama supporters' breathtaking readiness to blindly support anything associated with the President by signing a petition which calls for launching a nuclear strike against North Korea, does give me pause. There was one that said they signed out of support for Obama, 3 maybe 4 that just signed it without any comment connecting their signing it to Obama, and 3 that told him he was crazy (including my man wearing the BSU Broncos hat ). How long do you suppose he had to stand there to get the people who signed it? How long to get that one person to connect it to support for Obama? My personal favorite was the guy that said, "That crazy, but I support Obama so I'll sign it", lol.
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Post by AgeOfEnlightenmentSCP on Sept 21, 2015 12:08:40 GMT -5
Let us start the week by getting a firm grasp on reality: 1. The Carly Fiorina debate "win" followed by her "surge in the polls" was a pre-scripted political and media elite narrative prepared well in advance of the debate. It is Carly's role in the GOP It's divorced from reality, is falling apart, and has only galvanized the still growing Trump support. Fiorina is cannibalizing Carson supporters- so far no one is taking support away from Trump. abc7chicago.com/politics/first-poll-after-gop-debate-shows-trump-still-leading-fiorina-surging/993517/Trump is down 8 points, not sure how that is still growing support. He has peaked and I expect him to continue to lose steam from this point forward. Trump is down 8 points is the claim. Can you back that up with a link to your source, or should we ignore it?
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Post by billisonboard on Sept 21, 2015 12:11:27 GMT -5
There was one that said they signed out of support for Obama, 3 maybe 4 that just signed it without any comment connecting their signing it to Obama, and 3 that told him he was crazy (including my man wearing the BSU Broncos hat ). How long do you suppose he had to stand there to get the people who signed it? How long to get that one person to connect it to support for Obama? My personal favorite was the guy that said, "That crazy, but I support Obama so I'll sign it", lol. Yes, there was one person who voiced that position. One person. My bet would be that if they had been able to find two people who voiced that they would have shown it. They didn't show it so likely there was only one.
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Post by AgeOfEnlightenmentSCP on Sept 21, 2015 12:14:48 GMT -5
My personal favorite was the guy that said, "That crazy, but I support Obama so I'll sign it", lol. Yes, there was one person who voiced that position. One person. My bet would be that if they had been able to find two people who voiced that they would have shown it. They didn't show it so likely there was only one. Um, yeah- but it wasn't hard to find him. It's not like they had to hand pick some loon and plant him at a political rally. He was just out walking around.
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Post by billisonboard on Sept 21, 2015 12:15:42 GMT -5
I always like to go to the polls themselves. Here is one thing I found specifically posted about this poll: When analyzing the survey results and their accuracy, this error estimate should be taken into consideration in much the same way that analysis of probability polls takes into account the margin of sampling error. For example, if 47 percent of voters say they support Candidate A and 43 percent of voters support Candidate B, and the error estimate is plus or minus 3.5 percentage points, Candidate A could be supported by as low as 44 percent of voters and Candidate B could have as high as 47 percent of support. Therefore, Candidate A does not have a "lead." msnbcmedia.msn.com/i/MSNBC/Sections/A_Politics/NBC-SM_ToplinesMethod9%2019.pdf So - Trump was seen as "Most Presidential" by 17%, Bush and Fiorino 14% and Carson 13%. So the four fall within the margin of error and thus none of them "lead" on the matter of "Most Presidential". No, Trump leads, but it is within the margin of error. The people who conducted the poll specifically state "does not have a lead". You state "leads". People can decide for themselves who to believe.
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Post by billisonboard on Sept 21, 2015 12:16:35 GMT -5
Yes, there was one person who voiced that position. One person. My bet would be that if they had been able to find two people who voiced that they would have shown it. They didn't show it so likely there was only one. Um, yeah- but it wasn't hard to find him. ... Can you support this? How many hours/days were they taping to find this one person?
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Post by djAdvocate on Sept 21, 2015 12:24:50 GMT -5
I am admittedly an ideologue, and I enjoy philosophy and philosophical consistency. I like the idea of being "committed to my principles". However, if we get a Democrat, or a pro-amnesty, Ceasar Milktoast establishment Republican-- the country is over anyway. . i have way more faith than that, but OK.
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Post by djAdvocate on Sept 21, 2015 12:34:42 GMT -5
Trump is down 8 points, not sure how that is still growing support. He has peaked and I expect him to continue to lose steam from this point forward. Trump is down 8 points is the claim. Can you back that up with a link to your source, or should we ignore it? he is down 8% according to CNN. if you want to look up the individual polls, you can: CNN/ORC 9/17 - 9/19; Trump 24, Fiorina 15 CNN/ORC 9/4 - 9/8; Trump 32, Fiorina 3 he has also peaked on the poll of polls according to RCP.
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Post by AgeOfEnlightenmentSCP on Sept 21, 2015 12:57:42 GMT -5
Trump is down 8 points is the claim. Can you back that up with a link to your source, or should we ignore it? he is down 8% according to CNN. if you want to look up the individual polls, you can: CNN/ORC 9/17 - 9/19; Trump 24, Fiorina 15 CNN/ORC 9/4 - 9/8; Trump 32, Fiorina 3 he has also peaked on the poll of polls according to RCP. Thank you. By definition, though, we do not have any idea whether he has "peaked"- implying that's it. We shall see. I think once it is more widely known that the supposed post-debate bump for Carly is part of the script a lot of people are not going to be willing to vindicate the establishment and let them get back to their script.
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Post by djAdvocate on Sept 21, 2015 13:02:18 GMT -5
he is down 8% according to CNN. if you want to look up the individual polls, you can: CNN/ORC 9/17 - 9/19; Trump 24, Fiorina 15 CNN/ORC 9/4 - 9/8; Trump 32, Fiorina 3 he has also peaked on the poll of polls according to RCP. Thank you. By definition, though, we do not have any idea whether he has "peaked"- implying that's it. We shall see. I think once it is more widely known that the supposed post-debate bump for Carly is part of the script a lot of people are not going to be willing to vindicate the establishment and let them get back to their script. yeah, Carly is also an outsider, thanks to the fact that she could not beat Boxer in a VERY Republican year.
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Post by billisonboard on Sept 21, 2015 13:36:52 GMT -5
... yeah, Carly is also an outsider, thanks to the fact that she could not beat Boxer in a VERY Republican year. "Dang, I can't get elected Senator from California so what can I do? Oh, Oh, I know. I will get elected President of the United States of America."
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Post by Value Buy on Sept 21, 2015 14:19:01 GMT -5
And we know the guy wasn't a plant because? We know how many people they talked to and edited out of the footage how? This is a political stunt. For all we know the one guy that said he supports the president so he'll sign it is the camera guy's brother. Or in other words, I realize you like posting incendiary BS just to get a reaction, but the grown ups are talking. Run along and play on another thread. But, it's Paul's thread! So now his naysayers say he cannot post on his own thread.........
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Post by AgeOfEnlightenmentSCP on Sept 21, 2015 16:45:45 GMT -5
Thank you. By definition, though, we do not have any idea whether he has "peaked"- implying that's it. We shall see. I think once it is more widely known that the supposed post-debate bump for Carly is part of the script a lot of people are not going to be willing to vindicate the establishment and let them get back to their script. yeah, Carly is also an outsider, thanks to the fact that she could not beat Boxer in a VERY Republican year. Well, that- and she lies. A lot. I hate when I have to agree with Democrats on something, but I watched the debate and this story of hers was very misleading.
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Post by AgeOfEnlightenmentSCP on Sept 21, 2015 16:46:47 GMT -5
Paul is more of a headline only guy. It's part of his unique charm. Actually reading articles... ain't nobody got time for that. I do place special emphasis on the headline- it's generally the only thing that people read.
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Post by djAdvocate on Sept 21, 2015 17:00:52 GMT -5
yeah, Carly is also an outsider, thanks to the fact that she could not beat Boxer in a VERY Republican year. Well, that- and she lies. A lot. I hate when I have to agree with Democrats on something, but I watched the debate and this story of hers was very misleading. she also lied about the PP video. she never saw it. it doesn't exist.
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Post by Tennesseer on Sept 21, 2015 17:03:19 GMT -5
Paul is more of a headline only guy. It's part of his unique charm. Actually reading articles... ain't nobody got time for that. I do place special emphasis on the headline- it's generally the only thing that people read. We actually read you links. It is the only way we know whether your thread title headlines are truthful or not, with emphasis on the 'not'.
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Post by AgeOfEnlightenmentSCP on Sept 21, 2015 17:40:35 GMT -5
Well, that- and she lies. A lot. I hate when I have to agree with Democrats on something, but I watched the debate and this story of hers was very misleading. she also lied about the PP video. she never saw it. it doesn't exist. That one I am not sure of because I have not watched all of them. They are available for fact checking though via Virgil's Inferno (can't post links here).
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Post by AgeOfEnlightenmentSCP on Sept 21, 2015 17:44:41 GMT -5
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Post by djAdvocate on Sept 21, 2015 18:34:47 GMT -5
she also lied about the PP video. she never saw it. it doesn't exist. That one I am not sure of because I have not watched all of them. They are available for fact checking though via Virgil's Inferno (can't post links here). i have read several reliable sources that claim it doesn't exist. i would be surprised if she were not lying.
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