Tennesseer
Member Emeritus
Joined: Dec 20, 2010 21:58:42 GMT -5
Posts: 64,436
|
Post by Tennesseer on Sept 18, 2015 11:28:49 GMT -5
He might have been building is coalition of conservatives by being birther. Not surprised he said nothing.
www.thedailybeast.com/articles/2014/05/30/donald-trump-is-still-a-birther.html
But Trump gave no indication that he was going to change his mind on the question of the president’s birthplace, and reminded reporters that he also wanted to see Obama’s college records, a request that was denied.
“Look, I offered him five million dollars, as you remember, and then in the last moments I even increased it to 50 million. I didn’t want see his marks. I just wanted to see his records,” Trump said. “And he would have been doing a great thing because that money would have gone to charity, it could have gone to Chicago youth, it could have gone to any charity that he picked. That was up to fifty million dollars to share some records from college and he chose not to do it.”
If Obama was actually born in the US, Trump says, “I would have been totally happy about that. In fact, I would have probably preferred it because that would mean we would have a president for whom everything was fine.”
He then suggested that Obama may have lied about actually being born in Kenya when applying for college because being from an African country would have helped him get into college and would have increased his chances for financial aid.
You realize the Birthers were Hillary supporters, right? Very few conservatives got involved in that conspiracy, and at the time Trump did- he was a Democrat. "While considering a 2011 run for the presidency, Trump raised questions about the president's birthplace, pushing for the release of his long-form birth certificate, and recently told CNN's Anderson Cooper that he didn't know whether Obama was born in the United States." Misperceptions persist about Obama's faith, but aren't so widespreadDonald Trump Political party Republican (Before 1999; 2009–11; 2012–present) Reform (1999–2001)[5] Democratic (2001–09)[6] Independent (2011–12)[7] Donald Trump
|
|
happyhoix
Distinguished Associate
Joined: Oct 7, 2011 7:22:42 GMT -5
Posts: 21,521
|
Post by happyhoix on Sept 18, 2015 11:48:22 GMT -5
i think he is going down. I agree, the last debate he was flatfooted a lot of the time. His patronizing half ass apology to Fiorina about his 'face' comment, calling her 'a beautiful woman' sank like a lead balloon under her steely gaze. I think people are realizing he is all hot air with no substance. He is a great salesman, especially when he sells himself, and he's wonderfully cocky and confident, but he's like the wizard of Oz - all image and spectacle and nothing behind the scenes but a middle aged snake oil peddler with strange hair. Someone find a quote where he thoughtfully discusses foreign policy or what to do to prop up SSI. Find a quote where he thoughtfully discusses ANYTHING and doesn't just parrot back what the audience wants to hear, no matter how politically incorrect it might be.
|
|
Tennesseer
Member Emeritus
Joined: Dec 20, 2010 21:58:42 GMT -5
Posts: 64,436
|
Post by Tennesseer on Sept 18, 2015 11:58:25 GMT -5
The Birthers: Who Are They and What Do They WantLiz Cheney and Lou Dobbs have recently defended the "birthers," the dumb group of internet psychos who think it's impossible that a black man could've been democratically elected president. Where did they come from and what do they actually believe? More The Birthers: Who Are They and What Do They Want 07/22/2009
Fox News Poll: 24 Percent Believe Obama Not Born in U.S. 04/07/2011Four in 10 American voters think there is “cause to wonder” whether Barack Obama was born in the United States -- and nearly one in four believes outright that he wasn’t. Only “natural born citizens” are eligible to be president under the U.S. Constitution. A Fox News poll released Thursday found 24 percent of voters believe President Obama was born somewhere other than the United States. As one might expect, there are huge partisan differences on this issue. Still, 12 percent of Democrats think the president was born elsewhere, as do 21 percent of independents. That percentage climbs to 37 percent among Republicans. Among those who consider themselves part of the Tea Party movement, 41 percent think the president was born outside the U.S. Most American voters -- 67 percent -- believe Obama was born in the United States. That includes almost all Democrats (84 percent) and most independents (69 percent). Less than half of Republicans (47 percent) and Tea Partiers (44 percent) think so. Click here for complete poll results. Questions about Barack Obama’s birthplace began during the 2008 presidential campaign -- despite birth announcements from newspaper archives and the state of Hawaii releasing birth records. The issue was recently re-ignited by possible Republican presidential candidate and businessman Donald Trump, who on several television talk shows said the president should produce an original “long-form” birth certificate. So far this line of questioning hasn’t helped Trump garner an advantage over Obama. In a hypothetical 2012 match-up, if the election were held today, 34 percent say they would vote for Trump if he were the Republican candidate and 52 percent say they would back President Obama. Fox News Poll: 24 Percent Believe Obama Not Born in U.S. 04/07/2011
|
|
Tennesseer
Member Emeritus
Joined: Dec 20, 2010 21:58:42 GMT -5
Posts: 64,436
|
Post by Tennesseer on Sept 18, 2015 13:29:50 GMT -5
Trump drops out of Heritage event after birther backlashDonald Trump canceled his appearance Friday evening at a major campaign stop for the GOP presidential field in South Carolina as he faces criticism from both Republican and Democratic candidates over his failure to address claims that President Obama is a Muslim and "not even an American." Trump’s campaign announced in a statement Friday he no longer plans to speak at the Heritage Action Presidential Forum at the Bon Secours Arena in Greenville. “Mr. Trump has a significant business transaction that was expected to close Thursday,” the campaign said. “Due to the delay he is unable to attend today’s Heritage Action Presidential Forum. He sends his regrets and looks forward to being with the great people of South Carolina on Wednesday in Columbia." He will miss the event amid outcry from both parties that he did not correct comments made by two men at a Thursday night rally. The Heritage Action for America super-PAC is now hosting 10 of 16 major candidates at the forum. Trump’s decision not to attend is significant. The event is a big landing point for Southern conservatives three days after the 2016 Republican presidential pack met in a heated debate airing from Simi Valley, Calif., on CNN. Trump drops out of Heritage event after birther backlash
|
|
Tennesseer
Member Emeritus
Joined: Dec 20, 2010 21:58:42 GMT -5
Posts: 64,436
|
Post by Tennesseer on Sept 18, 2015 13:35:59 GMT -5
Are all Trump supporters like the woman below? "Trump on Thursday also fielded a question from a conspiracy theorist who told him that there is a “new holocaust” in New Hampshire and that people are being loaded into boxcars and beheaded by members of the Islamic State of Iraq and Syria. “I just wanted you to know that,” the woman said. Trump moved on without addressing the woman’s claim." Trump declines to dispute supporter’s birther remarksLoading up New Hampshire residents into boxcars and being beheaded by members of ISIS?
|
|
happyhoix
Distinguished Associate
Joined: Oct 7, 2011 7:22:42 GMT -5
Posts: 21,521
|
Post by happyhoix on Sept 18, 2015 14:55:02 GMT -5
Are all Trump supporters like the woman below? "Trump on Thursday also fielded a question from a conspiracy theorist who told him that there is a “new holocaust” in New Hampshire and that people are being loaded into boxcars and beheaded by members of the Islamic State of Iraq and Syria. “I just wanted you to know that,” the woman said. Trump moved on without addressing the woman’s claim." Trump declines to dispute supporter’s birther remarksLoading up New Hampshire residents into boxcars and being beheaded by members of ISIS? Just the more entertaining ones.
|
|
happyhoix
Distinguished Associate
Joined: Oct 7, 2011 7:22:42 GMT -5
Posts: 21,521
|
Post by happyhoix on Sept 18, 2015 14:56:14 GMT -5
Bahahaha.
Translation "I stepped in shit and need some time to clean my shoes to get the stink off."
|
|
djAdvocate
Member Emeritus
only posting when the mood strikes me.
Joined: Jun 21, 2011 12:33:54 GMT -5
Posts: 76,445
Mini-Profile Background: {"image":"","color":"000307"}
|
Post by djAdvocate on Sept 18, 2015 15:03:26 GMT -5
i think he is going down. I agree, the last debate he was flatfooted a lot of the time. His patronizing half ass apology to Fiorina about his 'face' comment, calling her 'a beautiful woman' sank like a lead balloon under her steely gaze. I think people are realizing he is all hot air with no substance. He is a great salesman, especially when he sells himself, and he's wonderfully cocky and confident, but he's like the wizard of Oz - all image and spectacle and nothing behind the scenes but a middle aged snake oil peddler with strange hair. Someone find a quote where he thoughtfully discusses foreign policy or what to do to prop up SSI. Find a quote where he thoughtfully discusses ANYTHING and doesn't just parrot back what the audience wants to hear, no matter how politically incorrect it might be. i agree with you up to the parroting part. but he is actually parroting Trump: "how will i fix it? i will hire the best people, and then get to it. it will be easy and cheap". that is his thing. he has been doing it for decades now, and a lot of people believe it. and a lot of people don't.
|
|
djAdvocate
Member Emeritus
only posting when the mood strikes me.
Joined: Jun 21, 2011 12:33:54 GMT -5
Posts: 76,445
Mini-Profile Background: {"image":"","color":"000307"}
|
Post by djAdvocate on Sept 18, 2015 15:05:14 GMT -5
The Birthers: Who Are They and What Do They WantLiz Cheney and Lou Dobbs have recently defended the "birthers," the dumb group of internet psychos who think it's impossible that a black man could've been democratically elected president. Where did they come from and what do they actually believe? More The Birthers: Who Are They and What Do They Want 07/22/2009
Fox News Poll: 24 Percent Believe Obama Not Born in U.S. 04/07/2011Four in 10 American voters think there is “cause to wonder” whether Barack Obama was born in the United States -- and nearly one in four believes outright that he wasn’t. Only “natural born citizens” are eligible to be president under the U.S. Constitution. A Fox News poll released Thursday found 24 percent of voters believe President Obama was born somewhere other than the United States. As one might expect, there are huge partisan differences on this issue. Still, 12 percent of Democrats think the president was born elsewhere, as do 21 percent of independents. That percentage climbs to 37 percent among Republicans. Among those who consider themselves part of the Tea Party movement, 41 percent think the president was born outside the U.S. Most American voters -- 67 percent -- believe Obama was born in the United States. That includes almost all Democrats (84 percent) and most independents (69 percent). Less than half of Republicans (47 percent) and Tea Partiers (44 percent) think so. Click here for complete poll results. Questions about Barack Obama’s birthplace began during the 2008 presidential campaign -- despite birth announcements from newspaper archives and the state of Hawaii releasing birth records. The issue was recently re-ignited by possible Republican presidential candidate and businessman Donald Trump, who on several television talk shows said the president should produce an original “long-form” birth certificate. So far this line of questioning hasn’t helped Trump garner an advantage over Obama. In a hypothetical 2012 match-up, if the election were held today, 34 percent say they would vote for Trump if he were the Republican candidate and 52 percent say they would back President Obama. Fox News Poll: 24 Percent Believe Obama Not Born in U.S. 04/07/2011 as Paul pointed out, where he was born is totally irrelevant.
|
|
djAdvocate
Member Emeritus
only posting when the mood strikes me.
Joined: Jun 21, 2011 12:33:54 GMT -5
Posts: 76,445
Mini-Profile Background: {"image":"","color":"000307"}
|
Post by djAdvocate on Sept 18, 2015 15:07:02 GMT -5
Trump drops out of Heritage event after birther backlashDonald Trump canceled his appearance Friday evening at a major campaign stop for the GOP presidential field in South Carolina as he faces criticism from both Republican and Democratic candidates over his failure to address claims that President Obama is a Muslim and "not even an American." Trump’s campaign announced in a statement Friday he no longer plans to speak at the Heritage Action Presidential Forum at the Bon Secours Arena in Greenville. “Mr. Trump has a significant business transaction that was expected to close Thursday,” the campaign said. “Due to the delay he is unable to attend today’s Heritage Action Presidential Forum. He sends his regrets and looks forward to being with the great people of South Carolina on Wednesday in Columbia." He will miss the event amid outcry from both parties that he did not correct comments made by two men at a Thursday night rally. The Heritage Action for America super-PAC is now hosting 10 of 16 major candidates at the forum. Trump’s decision not to attend is significant. The event is a big landing point for Southern conservatives three days after the 2016 Republican presidential pack met in a heated debate airing from Simi Valley, Calif., on CNN. Trump drops out of Heritage event after birther backlash if Obama is not a citizen, then neither is Ted Cruz. yet he and Ted seem to get along fine.
|
|
djAdvocate
Member Emeritus
only posting when the mood strikes me.
Joined: Jun 21, 2011 12:33:54 GMT -5
Posts: 76,445
Mini-Profile Background: {"image":"","color":"000307"}
|
Post by djAdvocate on Sept 18, 2015 23:13:32 GMT -5
Trump is only +4 in the latest poll. Carson is right behind him, now. i suspect that Carson will overtake him in the next week or two.
nobody else is coming close, for now. the rest of the field is way back- but i think anyone who is confidently predicting that Carson would overtake Trump would have good reason for doing so.
|
|
Deleted
Joined: Sept 30, 2024 3:25:08 GMT -5
Posts: 0
|
Post by Deleted on Sept 18, 2015 23:33:07 GMT -5
Why? I did not think Carson did well in the last debate...
|
|
djAdvocate
Member Emeritus
only posting when the mood strikes me.
Joined: Jun 21, 2011 12:33:54 GMT -5
Posts: 76,445
Mini-Profile Background: {"image":"","color":"000307"}
|
Post by djAdvocate on Sept 19, 2015 4:31:45 GMT -5
Why? I did not think Carson did well in the last debate... did you think Trump did better?
|
|
Deleted
Joined: Sept 30, 2024 3:25:08 GMT -5
Posts: 0
|
Post by Deleted on Sept 19, 2015 6:45:21 GMT -5
True.
|
|
dondub
Senior Associate
The meek shall indeed inherit the earth but only after the Visigoths are done with it.
Joined: Jan 16, 2014 19:31:06 GMT -5
Posts: 12,110
Location: Seattle
Favorite Drink: Laphroig
|
Post by dondub on Sept 19, 2015 11:37:24 GMT -5
Can't quite fathom why the boring Dr. Carson is resonating in the polls. He seems quite over his head.
|
|
djAdvocate
Member Emeritus
only posting when the mood strikes me.
Joined: Jun 21, 2011 12:33:54 GMT -5
Posts: 76,445
Mini-Profile Background: {"image":"","color":"000307"}
|
Post by djAdvocate on Sept 20, 2015 2:45:59 GMT -5
Can't quite fathom why the boring Dr. Carson is resonating in the polls. He seems quite over his head. it is the equivalent of looking for the right cut of steak at the grocery store. you can't really see it without picking it up.
|
|
Wisconsin Beth
Distinguished Associate
No, we don't walk away. But when we're holding on to something precious, we run.
Joined: Dec 20, 2010 11:59:36 GMT -5
Posts: 30,626
|
Post by Wisconsin Beth on Sept 21, 2015 8:39:03 GMT -5
Can't quite fathom why the boring Dr. Carson is resonating in the polls. He seems quite over his head. Because at first glance he looks like a really good/cool/interesting candidate. African American, well educated, and has a job title that leads towards respect and authority. And he's not a regular politician, so maybe he can get Congress working again. People want hope.
|
|
AgeOfEnlightenmentSCP
Distinguished Associate
Joined: Dec 21, 2010 11:59:07 GMT -5
Posts: 31,709
Favorite Drink: Sweetwater 420
|
Post by AgeOfEnlightenmentSCP on Sept 21, 2015 8:44:45 GMT -5
Can't quite fathom why the boring Dr. Carson is resonating in the polls. He seems quite over his head. Dr. Carson is actually far better qualified, and has far more executive experience than is widely known. He could take a lesson from Trump on tooting his own horn. Mostly what is known about him is after is 33rd birthday-- prior to that, his climb out of the ghetto, the son of a single mother in Detroit with a quick temper and poor grades to where he is today is inspirational. It's the epitome of America's class mobility, and that is both his appeal, and the reason he terrifies the left. Imagine if the disparate victim groups that make up the modern Democratic Party base every got the idea in their heads that they could just walk off the liberal plantation and make something of themselves?
|
|
AgeOfEnlightenmentSCP
Distinguished Associate
Joined: Dec 21, 2010 11:59:07 GMT -5
Posts: 31,709
Favorite Drink: Sweetwater 420
|
Post by AgeOfEnlightenmentSCP on Sept 21, 2015 8:54:12 GMT -5
Let us start the week by getting a firm grasp on reality: 1. The Carly Fiorina debate "win" followed by her "surge in the polls" was a pre-scripted political and media elite narrative prepared well in advance of the debate. It is Carly's role in the GOP It's divorced from reality, is falling apart, and has only galvanized the still growing Trump support. Fiorina is cannibalizing Carson supporters- so far no one is taking support away from Trump. abc7chicago.com/politics/first-poll-after-gop-debate-shows-trump-still-leading-fiorina-surging/993517/2. Trump is the monkey wrench in the GOP establishment "Roadmap to Victory" plan created in large part by Karl Rove-- you can catch up on that here: theconservativetreehouse.com/2015/09/16/the-modified-gope-strategy-road-map-the-full-monte/3. So far, Trump has not been derailed. The phony smear concocted about Trump's alleged "birther" and "muslim" comments which he never made is yet another example of a narrative which is backfiring as the discussion has turned to questions about Obama's faith, his rabid anti-Christian domestic agenda, and whether or not the collapse of 2,000 years of Christian civilization in the Middle East is the result of incompetence, or design by Obama. 4. Once more, the united left-right-Democrat-Republican anti-Trump forces are going to have a tough week, as the discussion turns to things they'd rather not address, and support for Trump from all quarters continues to grow. abc7chicago.com/politics/first-poll-after-gop-debate-shows-trump-still-leading-fiorina-surging/993517/
|
|
Deleted
Joined: Sept 30, 2024 3:25:08 GMT -5
Posts: 0
|
Post by Deleted on Sept 21, 2015 9:00:53 GMT -5
Wow.
|
|
tallguy
Senior Associate
Joined: Apr 2, 2011 19:21:59 GMT -5
Posts: 14,560
|
Post by tallguy on Sept 21, 2015 9:24:11 GMT -5
Yeah. I would think it must be tremendously hard work to convince oneself of so much bizarre nonsense, but some people appear to do so effortlessly. Kudos to them, I guess?
|
|
dondub
Senior Associate
The meek shall indeed inherit the earth but only after the Visigoths are done with it.
Joined: Jan 16, 2014 19:31:06 GMT -5
Posts: 12,110
Location: Seattle
Favorite Drink: Laphroig
|
Post by dondub on Sept 21, 2015 9:59:42 GMT -5
the reason he terrifies the left.
I sincerely doubt that Dr. Carson, an obviously talented fellow, "terrifies the left". I also doubt that he is qualified to be President. Furthermore, I doubt that any Repo candidate "terrifies the left". This is a campaign for public office and not some rabid dog war for the hearts and minds of the American people.
|
|
Deleted
Joined: Sept 30, 2024 3:25:08 GMT -5
Posts: 0
|
Post by Deleted on Sept 21, 2015 10:06:05 GMT -5
There is no candidate that terrifies me. The fact that some candidates have a widespread following gives me a shiver now and again...
|
|
dondub
Senior Associate
The meek shall indeed inherit the earth but only after the Visigoths are done with it.
Joined: Jan 16, 2014 19:31:06 GMT -5
Posts: 12,110
Location: Seattle
Favorite Drink: Laphroig
|
Post by dondub on Sept 21, 2015 10:06:17 GMT -5
3. So far, Trump has not been derailed. The phony smear concocted about Trump's alleged "birther" and "muslim" comments which he never made is yet another example of a narrative which is backfiring as the discussion has turned to questions about Obama's faith, his rabid anti-Christian domestic agenda, and whether or not the collapse of 2,000 years of Christian civilization in the Middle East is the result of incompetence, or design by Obama.
Dear moderators....is it OK to openly laugh hilariously at such comments as 'rabid anti-Christian domestic agenda' or that the alleged collapse of 'Christian civilization in the Middle east' might be a nefarious plot by the secret Muslim Obama? If I was spouting that nonsense here at home my wife would order a special jacket and put some mystery powder in my morning espresso while waiting for the van to come and get me.
|
|
billisonboard
Community Leader
Joined: Dec 20, 2010 22:45:44 GMT -5
Posts: 38,208
|
Post by billisonboard on Sept 21, 2015 10:16:33 GMT -5
the reason he terrifies the left. I sincerely doubt that Dr. Carson, an obviously talented fellow, "terrifies the left". I also doubt that he is qualified to be President. Furthermore, I doubt that any Repo candidate "terrifies the left". This is a campaign for public office and not some rabid dog war for the hearts and minds of the American people. Maybe terrifies is a little too strong of a word, but the agenda some candidates would push if elected and the people they would nominate to the Supreme Court if given the opportunity makes me very very nervous.
|
|
AgeOfEnlightenmentSCP
Distinguished Associate
Joined: Dec 21, 2010 11:59:07 GMT -5
Posts: 31,709
Favorite Drink: Sweetwater 420
|
Post by AgeOfEnlightenmentSCP on Sept 21, 2015 10:25:09 GMT -5
|
|
Waffle
Senior Member
Joined: Jan 12, 2011 11:31:54 GMT -5
Posts: 4,391
|
Post by Waffle on Sept 21, 2015 10:37:41 GMT -5
the reason he terrifies the left. I sincerely doubt that Dr. Carson, an obviously talented fellow, "terrifies the left". I also doubt that he is qualified to be President. Furthermore, I doubt that any Repo candidate "terrifies the left". This is a campaign for public office and not some rabid dog war for the hearts and minds of the American people. Maybe terrifies is a little too strong of a word, but the agenda some candidates would push if elected and the people they would nominate to the Supreme Court if given the opportunity makes me very very nervous. You just touched on the issue that is one of the main reasons, I have never been able to vote for a Republican presidential candidate - I am "terrified" of who they would appoint to the Supreme Court.
|
|
Tennesseer
Member Emeritus
Joined: Dec 20, 2010 21:58:42 GMT -5
Posts: 64,436
|
Post by Tennesseer on Sept 21, 2015 10:39:25 GMT -5
I am very surprised you didn't say, "Carly is fucking tostada."
|
|
Waffle
Senior Member
Joined: Jan 12, 2011 11:31:54 GMT -5
Posts: 4,391
|
Post by Waffle on Sept 21, 2015 10:40:52 GMT -5
AgeOfEnlightenmentSCP According to the article that you linked to the largest donor is not Univision, but the former CEO of Univision, who was also nation finance co-chairman for John McCain's 2008 run. Why would that make her toast?
|
|
AgeOfEnlightenmentSCP
Distinguished Associate
Joined: Dec 21, 2010 11:59:07 GMT -5
Posts: 31,709
Favorite Drink: Sweetwater 420
|
Post by AgeOfEnlightenmentSCP on Sept 21, 2015 10:51:42 GMT -5
I am admittedly an ideologue, and I enjoy philosophy and philosophical consistency. I like the idea of being "committed to my principles". However, if we get a Democrat, or a pro-amnesty, Ceasar Milktoast establishment Republican-- the country is over anyway. It may in fact be beyond saving now- we may already be over the cliff. That being said, I'm increasingly convinced that desperate times call for desperate measures, and Trump might just be the emergency measure we need to take to save the country. The truth is he is moderate to liberal on most issues. He's actually very traditional Democrat on the border and on trade- free trade has long been the domain of the Republican Party and only took a turn when Clinton signed NAFTA. However, he is not part of the club. He is a patriot who will not view his job as President to "manage the decline" of the United States" He will have scandals- of this there can be very little doubt. He's a businessman from Wharton who leveraged a sizable inheritance investing in real estate in Manhattan. He is not an attorney, nor is he a politician. As a result, I have little doubt that he will be impatient with the ridiculous process of getting things done in Washington, and the obstructionists who will try to stop him. However, President Trump will not get a pass for using his pen and phone. He will do things that irritate the shit out of conservatives. He will make libertarian heads explode as he aggressively enforces immigration law, prosecutes the war on radical islam including likely intervention to save Christians from the genocide happening in the Middle East, continues government spying, status quo on the "war on drugs", and as he generally fans the flames of the old Reagan-era "law and order" approach to things to reverse the trend towards anarchism and violence against police and other public officials, rioting, etc. You can look for a Hoover-era FBI. And then there are the hazards and pitfalls of a trade war- the very seeds of our first "Great Depression" which we will all be at the mercy of Congress on-- and I'm increasingly willing to roll the dice on that. He will make liberals crazy as Democrats are reinfected with Trump strain of BDS, but mostly because of the (R) after his name.
|
|