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Post by weltschmerz on Sept 16, 2015 12:52:30 GMT -5
I think you are getting your issues confused. As I have stated repeatedly on the topic: no one disputes that the climate has been steadily warming since the end of the last ice age. There have been a few exceptions, the maunder minimum sometimes referred to as the "Little Ice Age", and the recent nearly two decades long cooling trend. What is in dispute is what is causing it. Clearly it didn't begin with the industrial revolution. It is critically important, too, that you accept that the "evidence" for the famous "hockey stick" graph which shows a spike in warming coinciding with the beginning of the industrial age has been thoroughly discredited. It's a fraud. So, we're not going to "policy" our way out of this. Will the climate continue to warm? There's ample evidence which shows the earth has been considerably warmer in the past than it is today, so the answer is: maybe. However, the change is not man-made, it is not "rapid", and we are going to solve the problems associated with steady, gradual climate change over many hundreds of years-- with no doubt a few climate anomalies thrown in. There's nothing scientific about climate alarmism and cult-like adherence to an apocalyptic climate myth. ...and there you have it. The US is the only country that continues to deny, deny, deny.
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Post by AgeOfEnlightenmentSCP on Sept 16, 2015 12:54:51 GMT -5
I think you are getting your issues confused. As I have stated repeatedly on the topic: no one disputes that the climate has been steadily warming since the end of the last ice age. There have been a few exceptions, the maunder minimum sometimes referred to as the "Little Ice Age", and the recent nearly two decades long cooling trend. What is in dispute is what is causing it. Clearly it didn't begin with the industrial revolution. It is critically important, too, that you accept that the "evidence" for the famous "hockey stick" graph which shows a spike in warming coinciding with the beginning of the industrial age has been thoroughly discredited. It's a fraud. So, we're not going to "policy" our way out of this. Will the climate continue to warm? There's ample evidence which shows the earth has been considerably warmer in the past than it is today, so the answer is: maybe. However, the change is not man-made, it is not "rapid", and we are going to solve the problems associated with steady, gradual climate change over many hundreds of years-- with no doubt a few climate anomalies thrown in. There's nothing scientific about climate alarmism and cult-like adherence to an apocalyptic climate myth. ...and there you have it. The US is the only country that continues to deny, deny, deny. Deny what?
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Post by weltschmerz on Sept 16, 2015 15:19:55 GMT -5
Deny the existence of climate change. Carson called climate change "propaganda." Your boy, Cruz denies the existence altogether. Perry called it a "contrived, phony mess." Trump denies climate change, especially when the weather is cold.
So yeah...continue to deny it or think it's as ridiculous as evolution, while the Russia kicks your ass.
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Post by Value Buy on Sept 16, 2015 20:16:42 GMT -5
I blame it on all the icebreakers. If they did not break up the ice it would remain frozen rather than letting the sunlight warm up the water and melt the ice.
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Post by weltschmerz on Sept 16, 2015 20:34:29 GMT -5
I blame it on all the icebreakers. If they did not break up the ice it would remain frozen rather than letting the sunlight warm up the water and melt the ice. I blame it all on the polar bears. If they didn't lie on the icebergs and warm them up with their body heat, they would remain frozen forever.
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Post by tallguy on Sept 16, 2015 20:47:39 GMT -5
Don't we all need a good icebreaker every once in a while?
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Post by fishy999 on Sept 16, 2015 22:24:11 GMT -5
I think you are getting your issues confused. As I have stated repeatedly on the topic: no one disputes that the climate has been steadily warming since the end of the last ice age. There have been a few exceptions, the maunder minimum sometimes referred to as the "Little Ice Age", and the recent nearly two decades long cooling trend. What is in dispute is what is causing it. Clearly it didn't begin with the industrial revolution. It is critically important, too, that you accept that the "evidence" for the famous "hockey stick" graph which shows a spike in warming coinciding with the beginning of the industrial age has been thoroughly discredited. It's a fraud. So, we're not going to "policy" our way out of this. Will the climate continue to warm? There's ample evidence which shows the earth has been considerably warmer in the past than it is today, so the answer is: maybe. However, the change is not man-made, it is not "rapid", and we are going to solve the problems associated with steady, gradual climate change over many hundreds of years-- with no doubt a few climate anomalies thrown in. There's nothing scientific about climate alarmism and cult-like adherence to an apocalyptic climate myth. What does it matter if humans are to blame or not? We have to deal with the problem- and ignoring it is obviously the plan on the right.
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Post by AgeOfEnlightenmentSCP on Sept 17, 2015 7:59:31 GMT -5
I think you are getting your issues confused. As I have stated repeatedly on the topic: no one disputes that the climate has been steadily warming since the end of the last ice age. There have been a few exceptions, the maunder minimum sometimes referred to as the "Little Ice Age", and the recent nearly two decades long cooling trend. What is in dispute is what is causing it. Clearly it didn't begin with the industrial revolution. It is critically important, too, that you accept that the "evidence" for the famous "hockey stick" graph which shows a spike in warming coinciding with the beginning of the industrial age has been thoroughly discredited. It's a fraud. So, we're not going to "policy" our way out of this. Will the climate continue to warm? There's ample evidence which shows the earth has been considerably warmer in the past than it is today, so the answer is: maybe. However, the change is not man-made, it is not "rapid", and we are going to solve the problems associated with steady, gradual climate change over many hundreds of years-- with no doubt a few climate anomalies thrown in. There's nothing scientific about climate alarmism and cult-like adherence to an apocalyptic climate myth. What does it matter if humans are to blame or not? We have to deal with the problem- and ignoring it is obviously the plan on the right. We will deal with it through engineering infrastructure over time. It's not an "emergency" or a "crisis" and even if it was, there's zero evidence that changing the kind of light bulbs we use, slowing our showers to a trickle, mandating that people drive glorified lawn mowers, planting trees on skyscrapers, chopping up birds with windmills, or any such nonsense has any effect whatsoever on climate. The fact is, that if something is actually a good idea- the market will spot it long before government does. The real threat to life on this planet is targeted thermonuclear warming caused by a radical islamist regime with an atom bomb.
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Post by AgeOfEnlightenmentSCP on Sept 17, 2015 8:01:52 GMT -5
So, back on topic...
Presidential debates are not about substance, they're about show. They are pre-scripted by the political and media elites to achieve a predetermined outcome. It was very clear watching the debates last night that there was an agenda, and a script and every thinking person knows exactly what was 'supposed to' happen- the 'what' and only tuned in to see the 'how' and decide if the objective was met. It was also clear even before hand who would play what role. Given that we all know all this- why do we and the candidates play along? Sine the objective of a pre-scripted show was for the political and media elites to hand-pick a candidate, and to make a candidate or candidates that present a challenge to the golden boy look like assholes and idiots- then why do candidates continue to show up and play along? They are influential only to the extent that people influenced by them are, um, not that bright. A president does have to be persuasive to an extent, it's nice to know they can think on their feet- but other than that we are not picking a debater in chief. We're picking a chief executive officer, a commander in chief.
And that being said, the fed up crowd supporting Trump is likely not going to care that he did not do that well in the debate last night (he didn't). I think Trump supporters saw right through it, and it's all going to roll off. Of course polls a month from now will tell...
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Post by Value Buy on Sept 17, 2015 8:06:05 GMT -5
So, back on topic... Presidential debates are not about substance, they're about show. They are pre-scripted by the political and media elites to achieve a predetermined outcome. It was very clear watching the debates last night that there was an agenda, and a script and every thinking person knows exactly what was 'supposed to' happen- the 'what' and only tuned in to see the 'how' and decide if the objective was met. It was also clear even before hand who would play what role. Given that we all know all this- why do we and the candidates play along? Sine the objective of a pre-scripted show was for the political and media elites to hand-pick a candidate, and to make a candidate or candidates that present a challenge to the golden boy look like assholes and idiots- then why do candidates continue to show up and play along? They are influential only to the extent that people influenced by them are, um, not that bright. A president does have to be persuasive to an extent, it's nice to know they can think on their feet- but other than that we are not picking a debater in chief. We're picking a chief executive officer, a commander in chief. And that being said, the fed up crowd supporting Trump is likely not going to care that he did not do that well in the debate last night (he didn't). I think Trump supporters saw right through it, and it's all going to roll off. Of course polls a month from now will tell... I expected CNN to learn something from the Fox debate, but after the first hour of wasted attacks, set up by Jake, the moderator, evidently they didn't. Ratings did matter tonight for CNN, and they proved it with lobbing softballs to the candidates to attack Trump. Last two hours were interesting, and Carly wants to skip this and go after Hillary right now.
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Post by Opti on Sept 17, 2015 8:13:06 GMT -5
Presidential debates used to be about policies and one of the few places candidates were held to having to discuss them. It appears things are changing and not for the better. I think your reality is different from mine. I don't see a big unnatural collusion of forces. Just the usual competing agendas. Whoever hosts the debate has their agenda, each candidate has their own talking points and agenda, and then whoever televises it will likely put their own spin on it.
One giant script that everyone agrees to, it is not. Your premise makes no sense. The media has been giving Trump an unnatural amount of air time. If it were Obama or a Democratic candidate, likely your talking points would be how the media is in their pocket and in love them. Could it be time to admit the media's main agenda in making money so they spend the most time now on candidates they think will get people to watch?
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Post by ken a.k.a OMK on Sept 17, 2015 8:29:30 GMT -5
Trump made a fool of himself last night. Starting off saying Rand Paul didn't belong on stage. That was just the beginning of his personal attacks. Before the debate Trump said he planned to tone down his remarks. Another Trump lie. He wasn't even answering a question. A few had some good come backs to him. Later, when everyone started talking policy, Trump had nothing to say.
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Post by billisonboard on Sept 17, 2015 8:35:13 GMT -5
... - why do we and the candidates play along? ... I don't. Had a nice quiet evening last night.
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Post by Deleted on Sept 17, 2015 9:01:16 GMT -5
11 people can't have a classical debate.
and since most most of the playing time people seemed to get last night was answering attacks against them, Trump ended up with a lot of face time. Although I'm not sure it was to his advantage...
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Post by AgeOfEnlightenmentSCP on Sept 17, 2015 11:21:25 GMT -5
Trump made a fool of himself last night. Starting off saying Rand Paul didn't belong on stage. That was just the beginning of his personal attacks. Before the debate Trump said he planned to tone down his remarks. Another Trump lie. He wasn't even answering a question. A few had some good come backs to him. Later, when everyone started talking policy, Trump had nothing to say. I bristle at the idea that people don't "belong" in the political debate; but that being said- where do you draw the line? They'd decided on the two debate model, and the polls were supposed to determine it- they made exceptions to the rules for Paul and Fiorina.
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Post by ken a.k.a OMK on Sept 17, 2015 11:41:25 GMT -5
First of all when will they actually debate? Second what's with the upper class and lower class debate? Take the candidates, divide by 2 and have 2 debates. Eleven on stage is too many.
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Post by Deleted on Sept 17, 2015 11:44:21 GMT -5
We should do head to head. Ranked. Win and go on up the next..
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Post by billisonboard on Sept 17, 2015 11:47:24 GMT -5
We should do head to head. Ranked. Win and go on up the next.. How exactly is "win" determined?
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Post by Deleted on Sept 17, 2015 11:48:50 GMT -5
I will call it, obviously.
Or we could have # to text in who you thought won!
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Post by ArchietheDragon on Sept 17, 2015 11:48:54 GMT -5
We should do head to head. Ranked. Win and go on up the next.. How exactly is "win" determined? american idol style
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Post by Value Buy on Sept 17, 2015 11:48:55 GMT -5
We should do head to head. Ranked. Win and go on up the next.. How exactly is "win" determined? By Trump, of course!
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Post by Wisconsin Beth on Sept 17, 2015 11:49:08 GMT -5
We should do head to head. Ranked. Win and go on up the next.. Oooh and cable can package it up and sell it like the March Madness. Except for it to be fair, all of the low level debates would need to be done simultaneously because they'd also need to ask the same identical questions. Tangents can be allowed but each 'game' would need to have the same time frame and start with the same 20 questions (or however many)
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Post by happyhoix on Sept 18, 2015 6:49:58 GMT -5
Trump made a fool of himself last night. Starting off saying Rand Paul didn't belong on stage. That was just the beginning of his personal attacks. Before the debate Trump said he planned to tone down his remarks. Another Trump lie. He wasn't even answering a question. A few had some good come backs to him. Later, when everyone started talking policy, Trump had nothing to say. He as no foreign policy. Zip. We don't know if he's a neo con hawk or a more moderate. His only comment is that he will be great friends and make deals with all the world leaders. Somehow I think ISIS is not going to be willing to make any deals.
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Post by happyhoix on Sept 18, 2015 6:56:19 GMT -5
I saw Trump's latest foot in mouth this morning in a news clip - he was speaking at a rally yesterday, and for the first audience question, some guy got up and railed against Muslims - how Obama is a Muslim, how the whole problem with the country is Muslims, how we need to get rid of all of them, etc etc.
Instead of correcting the guy and telling him Obama isn't a Muslim, like McCain did, back during his campaign, and instead of cautioning the guy that most American Muslims are not terrorists, but good citizens like the rest of us, Trump started in on how he would fix all that when he was president.
So - add the Muslim population to those who probably won't vote for the Donald.
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Post by Tennesseer on Sept 18, 2015 7:49:14 GMT -5
I saw Trump's latest foot in mouth this morning in a news clip - he was speaking at a rally yesterday, and for the first audience question, some guy got up and railed against Muslims - how Obama is a Muslim, how the whole problem with the country is Muslims, how we need to get rid of all of them, etc etc. Instead of correcting the guy and telling him Obama isn't a Muslim, like McCain did, back during his campaign, and instead of cautioning the guy that most American Muslims are not terrorists, but good citizens like the rest of us, Trump started in on how he would fix all that when he was president. So - add the Muslim population to those who probably won't vote for the Donald. Feed the beast named hysteria.
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Post by Opti on Sept 18, 2015 8:11:00 GMT -5
He might have been building is coalition of conservatives by being birther. Not surprised he said nothing.
www.thedailybeast.com/articles/2014/05/30/donald-trump-is-still-a-birther.html
But Trump gave no indication that he was going to change his mind on the question of the president’s birthplace, and reminded reporters that he also wanted to see Obama’s college records, a request that was denied.
“Look, I offered him five million dollars, as you remember, and then in the last moments I even increased it to 50 million. I didn’t want see his marks. I just wanted to see his records,” Trump said. “And he would have been doing a great thing because that money would have gone to charity, it could have gone to Chicago youth, it could have gone to any charity that he picked. That was up to fifty million dollars to share some records from college and he chose not to do it.”
If Obama was actually born in the US, Trump says, “I would have been totally happy about that. In fact, I would have probably preferred it because that would mean we would have a president for whom everything was fine.”
He then suggested that Obama may have lied about actually being born in Kenya when applying for college because being from an African country would have helped him get into college and would have increased his chances for financial aid.
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Post by happyhoix on Sept 18, 2015 8:55:03 GMT -5
I think Trump is using merkins woven from hand combed fox tails originally created to adorn the Japanese geishas to create that distinctive salmon colored head adornment he wears.
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Post by djAdvocate on Sept 18, 2015 9:28:12 GMT -5
i think he is going down.
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Post by AgeOfEnlightenmentSCP on Sept 18, 2015 10:02:47 GMT -5
He might have been building is coalition of conservatives by being birther. Not surprised he said nothing.
www.thedailybeast.com/articles/2014/05/30/donald-trump-is-still-a-birther.html
But Trump gave no indication that he was going to change his mind on the question of the president’s birthplace, and reminded reporters that he also wanted to see Obama’s college records, a request that was denied.
“Look, I offered him five million dollars, as you remember, and then in the last moments I even increased it to 50 million. I didn’t want see his marks. I just wanted to see his records,” Trump said. “And he would have been doing a great thing because that money would have gone to charity, it could have gone to Chicago youth, it could have gone to any charity that he picked. That was up to fifty million dollars to share some records from college and he chose not to do it.”
If Obama was actually born in the US, Trump says, “I would have been totally happy about that. In fact, I would have probably preferred it because that would mean we would have a president for whom everything was fine.”
He then suggested that Obama may have lied about actually being born in Kenya when applying for college because being from an African country would have helped him get into college and would have increased his chances for financial aid.
You realize the Birthers were Hillary supporters, right? Very few conservatives got involved in that conspiracy, and at the time Trump did- he was a Democrat.
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Post by AgeOfEnlightenmentSCP on Sept 18, 2015 10:03:00 GMT -5
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