MJ2.0
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Post by MJ2.0 on Jul 27, 2015 11:57:27 GMT -5
My aunt, my mom's friend/roommate, my uncle, my boss, his boss, 3 of the guys I went on a date with.... I'm sure there's more.
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Post by zibazinski on Jul 27, 2015 11:58:40 GMT -5
I've been actually thinking if I knew anyone that does. DH thinks one of the shop guys does but he isn't totally sure. If he does, he stops way before the annual physical because the insurance says no one smokes.
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weltschmerz
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Post by weltschmerz on Jul 27, 2015 12:08:08 GMT -5
Does anyone actually know anyone that smokes? I smoke. With any luck, it will kill me before I'm a drooling mess wearing diapers and needing to be fed.
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ArchietheDragon
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Post by ArchietheDragon on Jul 27, 2015 12:08:56 GMT -5
Does anyone actually know anyone that smokes? I smoke. With any luck, it will kill me before I'm a drooling mess wearing diapers and needing to be fed. haven't you seen a Canadian pack of cigarettes? Those things will kill you.
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weltschmerz
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Post by weltschmerz on Jul 27, 2015 12:10:56 GMT -5
I smoke. With any luck, it will kill me before I'm a drooling mess wearing diapers and needing to be fed. haven't you seen a Canadian pack of cigarettes? Those things will kill you. Isn't that what I said?
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ArchietheDragon
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Post by ArchietheDragon on Jul 27, 2015 12:11:58 GMT -5
haven't you seen a Canadian pack of cigarettes? Those things will kill you. Isn't that what I said? what?
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mollyanna58
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Post by mollyanna58 on Jul 27, 2015 12:20:09 GMT -5
My aunt found an organization online out of California that would certify her dog as a therapy dog. She just needed to get a physician to sign off that she had emotional issues and needed the dog with her. She has no issues, she just wants to take the dog with them when they travel and get it into hotels that other wise prohibit pets. And her doctor went along with it? Tsk, tsk.
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Post by wvugurl26 on Jul 27, 2015 12:24:20 GMT -5
My aunt found an organization online out of California that would certify her dog as a therapy dog. She just needed to get a physician to sign off that she had emotional issues and needed the dog with her. She has no issues, she just wants to take the dog with them when they travel and get it into hotels that other wise prohibit pets. And her doctor went along with it? Tsk, tsk. Her primary care wouldn't. As far as I know she didn't find anyone to sign it. I could see some doing it though. If they don't give a damn about prescribing scheduled narcotics to pregnant women they sure aren't going to care about something like this. I know most doctors aren't like that but there are some bad ones.
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hoops902
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Post by hoops902 on Jul 27, 2015 12:24:44 GMT -5
My aunt found an organization online out of California that would certify her dog as a therapy dog. She just needed to get a physician to sign off that she had emotional issues and needed the dog with her. She has no issues, she just wants to take the dog with them when they travel and get it into hotels that other wise prohibit pets. And her doctor went along with it? Tsk, tsk. This was also the piece that hickle was talking about earlier. Having emotional issues and needing the dog with her does not classify the dog as a service animal. The regulations around ADA don't apply to this kind of animal. A hotel/restaurant/anywhere could refuse to allow this animal in as long as they aren't specifically allowed by local law. These kinds of animals typically fall under the "therapy dog" reference, which are not legally service animals. To be a legally recognized service animal the dog would have to do something specific to combat a specific issue...it can't merely make someone feel good because it exists and is around. Some areas do recognize therapy animals as having the same rights as service animals...but it's not everywhere and it's not covered under ADA like true service animals.
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MJ2.0
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Post by MJ2.0 on Jul 27, 2015 12:26:35 GMT -5
Sounds like Archie's smoking too.
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mollyanna58
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Post by mollyanna58 on Jul 27, 2015 12:26:59 GMT -5
Does anyone actually know anyone that smokes? Roughly 20% of the population.
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mollyanna58
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Post by mollyanna58 on Jul 27, 2015 12:27:40 GMT -5
And her doctor went along with it? Tsk, tsk. Even if her doctor didn't I can't imagine it would be that hard to find one who would. In fact I'm sure if she contacted the org in CA they would gladly point her to a doctor who would. Probably true.
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Post by suesinfl on Jul 27, 2015 12:37:09 GMT -5
I work in a public building and I've seen people claim their cat, snake, bird, etc. are service animals (cat in a purse, snake wrapped around the shoulders, bird perched on the shoulder). So it's really not just dogs. We were told by our attorney that if someone claims it is a service animal, there is nothing that can be done, even if the animal is causing a ruckus or disrupting others.
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weltschmerz
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Post by weltschmerz on Jul 27, 2015 12:40:54 GMT -5
I knew a woman who walked around with a service rat on her shoulder. It nibbled on her ear when she was about to have a seizure.
Makes sense. Rats are way, way smarter than dogs.
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Post by wvugurl26 on Jul 27, 2015 12:42:00 GMT -5
I'm pretty sure the organization was calling them service dogs. I think that was their selling point that you got this certification so the dog could go anywhere. Might have been therapy though? I was just disgusted and slightly tuned out in order to keep my mouth shut.
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lexxy703
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Post by lexxy703 on Jul 27, 2015 12:57:03 GMT -5
I smoke. With any luck, it will kill me before I'm a drooling mess wearing diapers and needing to be fed. Finally something Weltz and I can agree on, I smoke too, not the wanting her dead part Me too.
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Spellbound454
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Post by Spellbound454 on Jul 27, 2015 12:57:13 GMT -5
We would allow Guide Dogs for the Blind.....and then its pretty obvious, (Its got a yellow jacket with a square harness and is with a blind person)
No other "Service dogs" would be allowed in restaurants or shops.
I have heard of Hearing Dogs for the Deaf and dogs which alert to seizures....but people use them within the home. I've never seen a jacket like that and they wouldn't have special treatment.
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MJ2.0
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Post by MJ2.0 on Jul 27, 2015 12:59:05 GMT -5
I knew a woman who walked around with a service rat on her shoulder. It nibbled on her ear when she was about to have a seizure.
Makes sense. Rats are way, way smarter than dogs. I doubt that.
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Post by weltschmerz on Jul 27, 2015 13:01:00 GMT -5
I knew a woman who walked around with a service rat on her shoulder. It nibbled on her ear when she was about to have a seizure.
Makes sense. Rats are way, way smarter than dogs. I doubt that. Doubt it all you want. Makes no nevermind to me. You're wrong, though.
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Post by hoops902 on Jul 27, 2015 13:01:37 GMT -5
If rats were smarter than dogs, they would have figured out how to become our loved pets, spoiled to no ends...instead of things that most people want destroyed. Or maybe they're really smart but super bad at PR.
I just went and looked at a few studies, I couldn't find any that listed rats above dogs in terms of intelligence...not far below, but couldn't find any higher.
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weltschmerz
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Post by weltschmerz on Jul 27, 2015 13:04:35 GMT -5
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Post by hoops902 on Jul 27, 2015 13:10:09 GMT -5
::Unlike dogs, rats understand causality and exhibit metacognition.::
Does understanding causality make them more intelligent than people? I don't remember where I read it, but I read something once that basically indicated rats would be better at making investment decisions (specifically, stock market buy/sell decisions) than people because people were so bad at it and rats at least understood basic causality (not that people don't, but that they act inversely to what the causality should have taught them).
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Post by weltschmerz on Jul 27, 2015 13:12:16 GMT -5
I've had rats and I've had dogs. Rats are smarter. Scary-smart.
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Post by The Walk of the Penguin Mich on Jul 27, 2015 13:22:27 GMT -5
We would allow Guide Dogs for the Blind.....and then its pretty obvious, (Its got a yellow jacket with a square harness and is with a blind person)
No other "Service dogs" would be allowed in restaurants or shops.
I have heard of Hearing Dogs for the Deaf and dogs which alert to seizures....but people use them within the home. I've never seen a jacket like that and they wouldn't have special treatment. There are also dogs that can sense blood sugar levels and can help diabetics that are not easily controlled. I'm kind of on the fence about this. If you have an animal that has not been specifically trained as a service animal BUT has the innate sense to recognize a problem, does this make them any less of a service animal? If an animal can sense low blood sugar, possible seizures or other problems, does this make them less valuable than one who helps the blind? I think if you do have one of these animals, then it's probably best to have them trained to the best of their ability. But does having the innate sense to recognize a problem trump the other qualities that the trainers of official guide dogs use to determine if an animal is valuable to perform this service?
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Post by Abby Normal on Jul 27, 2015 13:31:47 GMT -5
We would allow Guide Dogs for the Blind.....and then its pretty obvious, (Its got a yellow jacket with a square harness and is with a blind person)
No other "Service dogs" would be allowed in restaurants or shops.
I have heard of Hearing Dogs for the Deaf and dogs which alert to seizures....but people use them within the home. I've never seen a jacket like that and they wouldn't have special treatment. There are also dogs that can sense blood sugar levels and can help diabetics that are not easily controlled. I'm kind of on the fence about this. If you have an animal that has not been specifically trained as a service animal BUT has the innate sense to recognize a problem, does this make them any less of a service animal? If an animal can sense low blood sugar, possible seizures or other problems, does this make them less valuable than one who helps the blind?I think if you do have one of these animals, then it's probably best to have them trained to the best of their ability. But does having the innate sense to recognize a problem trump the other qualities that the trainers of official guide dogs use to determine if an animal is valuable to perform this service? No. But they should have to prove that they have the ability to act appropriately in public settings to act in such a capacity in places that would not ordinarily allow dogs. It shouldn't trump public safety. That is what has been happening in areas that consider therapy/comfort/ non traditional service dogs on the same level as traditional service dogs and leading to the abuse. My dog can innately detect drugs (mj, heroin and meth that we know of). It doesn't make him qualified to be a drug dog.
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Post by sarcasticgirl on Jul 27, 2015 14:22:20 GMT -5
Oh yeah. That's true. People can just not smoke, though. Kids can't just stop being kids. people can stop having them
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Post by sarcasticgirl on Jul 27, 2015 14:24:17 GMT -5
I knew a woman who walked around with a service rat on her shoulder. It nibbled on her ear when she was about to have a seizure.
Makes sense. Rats are way, way smarter than dogs. oh hell no! I can't... I just can't.
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Post by mollyanna58 on Jul 27, 2015 14:26:33 GMT -5
Why? He looks cute!
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Post by weltschmerz on Jul 27, 2015 14:27:02 GMT -5
Can't what? I used to take mine to the Typhoon Lounge, where they'd get drunk on beer. They loved beer. They'd sneak sips from my glass when I wasn't looking.
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Post by Spellbound454 on Jul 27, 2015 17:00:28 GMT -5
Should imagine the main reason for not having dogs in restaurants... is that they are not very hygienic and pose a risk to public health.
People don't like dog poop in the Town centres....they don't like out-of-control and barking animals....or nutters with status dogs trained to bite... when there is small children around.
I love dogs....but I'm not the only person who lives here and have to be considerate of other people.
Can't see anything other than guide dogs being allowed tbh. We have a garden and plenty of green spaces....we don't have to be a nuisance
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