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Post by zibazinski on Jun 17, 2015 16:25:10 GMT -5
Self promotion and lying to himself are his best traits. Of course those two traits are required to be a successful politician.
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Post by weltschmerz on Jun 17, 2015 16:34:26 GMT -5
In that case, why don't the Republicans use those songs? Picking music that is derogatory to the right, or by Canadians, is most peculiar.
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Post by NoNamePerson on Jun 17, 2015 16:55:00 GMT -5
Saw Arlo Guthrie years ago. Put on a good show. Hope you enjoy Ok back to the who likes who stuff!!
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Post by weltschmerz on Jun 17, 2015 16:58:38 GMT -5
In that case, why don't the Republicans use those songs? Picking music that is derogatory to the right, or by Canadians, is most peculiar. Maybe Republican's don't walk around with a 'approved' list of music they should listen to. Perhaps they just like a song for what it is.. a song. Maybe they are so evolved that they can see that there might be commonalities between them and music that is produced and listened to by Democrats? I didn't realize that Democrats had that many rules about their music... or is it just you? Considering how many artists have been infuriated with the right using their music for campaigns, I'm sure it's safe to say it isn't "just me".
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Post by kent on Jun 17, 2015 17:02:20 GMT -5
Try not to clutter responses with partisan BS - just respond to the SINGLE question.
Does the fact that Trump openly acknowledges he's rich and that it's reported he's allegedly worth about $9B bother you in any way when it comes to a presidential bid?
I'll start - it doesn't bother me at all that he's rich. I was curious why he stated that. Because someone was successful in business is not an indication that he would necessarily be good running the country. We've had plenty of piss poor presidents who were very good businessmen, and vice versa. Why? Good grief! It was a SIMPLE question essentially asking if wealth made a difference when it comes to a presidential bid - nothing more and nothing less. Of course, if you read through the responses, it's obvious some people just can't provide a simple yes or no. It's far more important to seize the opportunity and engage in unrelated hateful vitriolic discourse. The mindset of some people is astounding at times.
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Post by Value Buy on Jun 17, 2015 18:36:51 GMT -5
Kent, I apoligize.
Weltz, I also apoligize to you. Never should have left topic.
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Post by weltschmerz on Jun 17, 2015 18:39:11 GMT -5
Kent, I apoligize. Weltz, I also apoligize to you. Never should have left topic. No problem.
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Post by NoNamePerson on Jun 17, 2015 19:29:43 GMT -5
Yes. No
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Post by bobosensei on Jun 18, 2015 3:18:55 GMT -5
He may be a narcissist, but he's not stupid. He's got to have technical people letting him know he doesn't have the slightest hope of winning the presidency. That begs the question of why he's running. Is the publicity worth the expense of running the campaign? Does he crave the attention? Is he hoping to build "Trump" brand awareness? Is he just bored? You just answered your own question. Yup. A narcissist surrounds themselves with flatterers. He is super rich and has lots of hangers on that will do anything to stay in his good graces. Yes, he is intelligent, but too many years of always being right can inflate your ego so much that you become deluded. No one around him will risk telling him something he doesn't want to hear.
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Post by zibazinski on Jun 18, 2015 17:36:09 GMT -5
You just answered your own question. Yup. A narcissist surrounds themselves with flatterers. He is super rich and has lots of hangers on that will do anything to stay in his good graces. Yes, he is intelligent, but too many years of always being right can inflate your ego so much that you become deluded. No one around him will risk telling him something he doesn't want to hear. Does that sound familiar?
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Post by djAdvocate on Jun 18, 2015 19:21:00 GMT -5
Try not to clutter responses with partisan BS - just respond to the SINGLE question.
Does the fact that Trump openly acknowledges he's rich and that it's reported he's allegedly worth about $9B bother you in any way when it comes to a presidential bid?
I'll start - it doesn't bother me at all that he's rich. nope. practically everything else bothers me about him, however.
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Post by Virgil Showlion on Jun 18, 2015 21:05:45 GMT -5
Canada is getting out the popcorn, at any rate. The cartoonists are also having a field day with Jeb Bush's campaign logo being "Jeb!", with no mention of his last name.
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Post by NoNamePerson on Jun 19, 2015 6:39:51 GMT -5
Canada is getting out the popcorn, at any rate. The cartoonists are also having a field day with Jeb Bush's campaign logo being "Jeb!", with no mention of his last name. Just popcorn ? Hell, I've already stocked up on Vodka and plan to get serious about drinking till the monkey show/sideshow/circus is over!!!
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Post by OldCoyote on Jun 19, 2015 10:12:12 GMT -5
We have to personally like the candidate? He is no good because of his hair.
Wonder what would happen if a president actually ran the country like a business.
You operate within a budget, Fire those that are not preforming their duties, Just think of the possibilities.
Naaaa, not going to happen.
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Post by Virgil Showlion on Jun 19, 2015 10:52:44 GMT -5
We have to personally like the candidate? He is no good because of his hair. Wonder what would happen if a president actually ran the country like a business. You operate within a budget, Fire those that are not preforming their duties, Just think of the possibilities. Naaaa, not going to happen. I was actually thinking the same thing: What if Mr. Trump truly was the fiscal-but-not-social conservative so many YMAM posters have been pining for? The problem is that Mr. Trump doesn't strike me as a true fiscal conservative. He carries the same failed views on taxation (i.e. austerity must not include significant tax hikes) as most of the Republican candidates. And he has a bad habit of loading failing businesses up with debt, sucking them dry (a la 'Bain Capital'), and then walking away from them while creditors take a bath. Hence even if he struck me as a stable, personable political leader--which he doesn't--I don't see his particular brand of success in the business world to be a worthy indicator of a strong presidency either. The strongest thing he has going for him is that he's a Washington outsider.
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Post by swamp on Jun 19, 2015 13:33:40 GMT -5
On CNN, they were just talking about campaign songs. From Mellencamp to Young to Springsteen to Sting, and many, many more....they all took umbrage with Republican candidates using their songs. Why doesn't the right use songs by Republican rock bands? Oh wait...I don't think there are any. Kid Rock is a Republican.
However, many of his lyrics aren't, um, family friendly. "I make black music for the white man, keep cocaine in my nightstand......"
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Post by NoNamePerson on Jun 19, 2015 15:43:25 GMT -5
On CNN, they were just talking about campaign songs. From Mellencamp to Young to Springsteen to Sting, and many, many more....they all took umbrage with Republican candidates using their songs. Why doesn't the right use songs by Republican rock bands? Oh wait...I don't think there are any. Kid Rock is a Republican.
However, many of his lyrics aren't, um, family friendly. "I make black music for the white man, keep cocaine in my nightstand......"
But he puts on one hell of a concert!!
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Post by bobosensei on Jun 20, 2015 2:21:18 GMT -5
We have to personally like the candidate? He is no good because of his hair. Wonder what would happen if a president actually ran the country like a business. You operate within a budget, Fire those that are not preforming their duties, Just think of the possibilities. Naaaa, not going to happen. I agree with you that it would be a good way to run the country. As far as Trump's personality, I don't know how well that would go over for foreign policy, but there are many in the country who would like to see someone with the guts to say what they felt even if we go to multiple wars. So while I agree this could be a good approach in some aspects, I would be concerned with Trump specifically because I think his first priority is himself and his businesses and his bottom line. I don't think you could trust him to not be looking out for himself and his business prospects at the expense of the country.
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Post by Virgil Showlion on Jun 20, 2015 9:21:22 GMT -5
It is a nice truism to say run it like a business. It sounds smart, fiscally responsible and tough. But here is the rub. Government is NOT a business, and things generally fall under the purview of government that CAN'T be run like a business.
Being fiscally responsible, tough and smart are all very important for running the government well, but it does not equate with running a business. In fact, I would put forward that it is more difficult than running a business, if done well. It's like running a business if the shareholders are all whimsical idiots.
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Post by djAdvocate on Jun 20, 2015 13:16:16 GMT -5
We have to personally like the candidate? He is no good because of his hair. Wonder what would happen if a president actually ran the country like a business. You operate within a budget, Fire those that are not preforming their duties, Just think of the possibilities. Naaaa, not going to happen. like? no. but you sure as hell should agree with him or her. otherwise, who are they representing? NOT YOU, that's for sure.
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Post by OldCoyote on Jun 20, 2015 20:58:24 GMT -5
So if you are a hired city manager you would run it like a business man or a politician?
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Post by Virgil Showlion on Jun 21, 2015 10:49:56 GMT -5
So if you are a hired city manager you would run it like a business man or a politician? Leading a 21st century democracy isn't the same thing as running a successful business, no matter how much we'd like it to be. Some of the principles that lead to success are the same, but a president is really more of a public relations man than a CEO. For one thing, a president lives and dies by public opinion, while a businessman lives or dies by the financial success of the business. The disparity is "built in" to the two roles. A businessman can slash costs, throw people under the bus, abandon major projects on a whim, and is extremely limited as to how much debt he can take on. Conversely, a president has a responsibility to repay political allies, approve pork projects to build up political capital, and kowtow to the desires of the electorate. As time goes on and westerners lose all perspective on debt and unfunded liabilities, a president can run up debts that no business would ever survive. He's the titular head of the ultimate "too big to fail" enterprise on the planet.
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Post by djAdvocate on Jun 21, 2015 11:09:30 GMT -5
So if you are a hired city manager you would run it like a business man or a politician? neither. government and business should not have the same standards. this is a common misconception out there, but i am not playing into it.
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Post by Deleted on Jun 21, 2015 19:03:02 GMT -5
I do quite enjoy his...umm...healthy levels of self-confidence though.
"Everybody said an awesome rich person could never be president but I'm gonna prove them wrong!"
Wouldn't he have to be "awesome" though? Trump is about as far from "awesome" as white is as far from black.
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Post by happyhoix on Jun 22, 2015 8:34:05 GMT -5
On CNN, they were just talking about campaign songs. From Mellencamp to Young to Springsteen to Sting, and many, many more....they all took umbrage with Republican candidates using their songs. Why doesn't the right use songs by Republican rock bands? Oh wait...I don't think there are any. I saw a thing about Pat Boone over the weekend, he's apparently a very staunch TEA party member. So the conservative republicans can use some of Boone's hard driving rock anthems as their campaign songs. Oh - wait....
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Post by happyhoix on Jun 22, 2015 8:43:21 GMT -5
I was curious why he stated that. Because someone was successful in business is not an indication that he would necessarily be good running the country. We've had plenty of piss poor presidents who were very good businessmen, and vice versa. Why? Good grief! It was a SIMPLE question essentially asking if wealth made a difference when it comes to a presidential bid - nothing more and nothing less. Of course, if you read through the responses, it's obvious some people just can't provide a simple yes or no. It's far more important to seize the opportunity and engage in unrelated hateful vitriolic discourse. The mindset of some people is astounding at times. What about my response was hateful vitriolic discourse? I stated that being a good businessman is not necessarily a good president, and that some good presidents haven't necessarily been good businessmen. I said nothing about republicans or democrats, and in fact we've had good and bad presidents from both political parties, some of them having been businessmen prior to their election, some of them not. I think your mindset finds hateful vitriol where there is no hateful vitriol intended, and sadly, that is not astounding at all, plenty of people find insults where no insults were intended. It's one of the main reasons our country is so divided right now. Please note that this comment is not fixing blame on either party but on BOTH parties, for stirring up this kind of attitude.
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Post by weltschmerz on Jul 1, 2015 12:47:45 GMT -5
Trump is suing Univision, Macy's, Palm Beach County, sued someone for calling him a mere millionaire, suing everything and everyone. His campaign slogan should be "Vote for me, a boy named Sue!" What an ass.
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Post by mmhmm on Jul 1, 2015 13:49:12 GMT -5
It's like running a business if the shareholders are all whimsical idiots. Yeah, well. Those last three words in the passage that you quoted are key, and apparently, rare.
I don't know about you, dem, but I don't see the American people as a whole being the equivalent of whimsical idiots. I think most people are just as smart as I am and many are far smarter. It's really easy to sit at your computer and deem everyone who isn't you a whimsical idiot - or worse. It's also, in my opinion, ignorant.
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Post by mmhmm on Jul 1, 2015 13:50:11 GMT -5
Trump is suing Univision, Macy's, Palm Beach County, sued someone for calling him a mere millionaire, suing everything and everyone. His campaign slogan should be "Vote for me, a boy named Sue!" What an ass. If, by some unfortunate twist of fate, Donald Trump is elected president of this country, may I move in with you, Welts?
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Post by Robert not Bobby on Jul 1, 2015 13:54:44 GMT -5
Trump is suing Univision, Macy's, Palm Beach County, sued someone for calling him a mere millionaire, suing everything and everyone. His campaign slogan should be "Vote for me, a boy named Sue!" What an ass. If, by some unfortunate twist of fate, Donald Trump is elected president of this country, may I move in with you, Welts? LOL She is in Canada...I'm told it is sane there, but cold.
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