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Post by Virgil Showlion on Jun 5, 2015 13:57:04 GMT -5
Yes God made him this way. God also made kids with cleft palates, hearts that don't function, conjoined twins, etc. Everyone is going to have their individual line on what is necessary surgery, useful surgery, and crazy plastic surgery choices. I generally go with the thought, 'your life, your journey' rules. I may disagree or agree with choices Jenner has made, but I didn't live his life, won't live it - so his choices should rule. I'm stating that the man didn't make a rational, healthy choice. It wasn't commendable. It wasn't newsworthy. It won't help anybody. It's not an example to be followed. And I'm not going to treat it as though it's any of these things. My respect goes out to Todd Brighton. Todd Brighton is an American nobody has ever heard of, who always felt uncomfortable in his male body but was raised as a man and came to respect all that his masculinity embodied. He didn't cross dress. He didn't put on makeup and strut around his bachelor pad in secret. He saw fit to marry, and hence he did. He bore children and raised them as a father, never once compromising his role in that regard. They knew him as 'Dad'--a rock-solid, reliable paternal figure--and his problems and insecurities didn't become their problems and insecurities. When he turned 65, although certain lusts occasionally nipped at the edges of his mind, he'd brought his thoughts into captivity, never having nurtured his perverse appetites. Instead, he'd learned to subdue them. He'd learned to focus on and appreciate the tremendous things he had. He didn't take an emotional broadsword to his spouse's heart, or his kids' hearts, or his grandkids' hearts by plunging headlong into a sick delusion. He valued his body. He valued his identity as a man, husband, father, and grandfather. He valued his responsibilities. He didn't drug himself, cut himself up, castrate himself, shave down his trachea, change his name, demand that everybody accommodate his delusion. He'll never get an award. He'll never be called brave, or be interviewed on national television, or pose on the cover of a magazine. He'll never have legions of twitterheads and Hollywood bozos singing his praises. But wherever he is, and whatever his actual name is, Todd Brighton has my respect. He exemplifies true selflessness and bravery. He's the example worth following. Bruce Jenner? He can put himself on as many talk shows and magazine covers and award ceremonies as he wants to. He's a sick, pathetic old man who's thrown away the best things he ever had, and good riddance to him when the glamour wears off. You say "his choices should rule": his choices do rule. Both men made their choices, both have to live with the consequences. Neither the choices nor the consequences have anything to do with me. But I know exactly which of the two men's choices I'm going to give praise to.
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Post by Peace Of Mind on Jun 5, 2015 14:18:16 GMT -5
This is what I suspected all along. Virgil is just scared for the weiner and nothing else. Virgil, nobody wants to cut yours off. You can relax now.
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Post by ՏՇԾԵԵʅՏɧ_LԹՏՏʅҼ on Jun 5, 2015 14:56:10 GMT -5
The *one* thing I agree with in your post, is that it's not "newsworthy". The MEDIA has made it "newsworthy" due to his name/fame. His personal fame is primarily because of the Olympic Gold win. His "celebrity" fame is a result of marrying into a family that thrives on publicity and "reality" TV - and he was tossed into that circus because of the marriage to Kris.
As for it being a rational or healthy choice... I don't know the state of his mind when he finally came to the decision , and I'm not a Professional Psychiatrist or Physician - neither are you. The transition will be good for HIS mental health because he's felt for most of his life that he was trapped in the wrong physical gender. He's not the first, he won't be the last. What he's doing is for HIS benefit and well-being - period - not yours or mine. If the new outward appearance through hormones, surgeries and therapy help heal his inner mind and spirit, then that's the choice of Jenner - and Jenner only.
Whether it will help anybody else, I'd say that Yes, it likely will help others who are or have been dealing with the same struggle as Jenner.
It has no impact on me, and none on you. But being public about it just may help others in the same position - and possibly even prevent a suicide.
Since you're so against this and think that it's somehow *sick*, Virgil, I don't understand why you've invested so much time in this one thread.
I seriously doubt you're going to change anyone's thoughts or opinion on the subject.
Just my 2¢.
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Post by Opti on Jun 5, 2015 14:57:18 GMT -5
Yes God made him this way. God also made kids with cleft palates, hearts that don't function, conjoined twins, etc. Everyone is going to have their individual line on what is necessary surgery, useful surgery, and crazy plastic surgery choices. I generally go with the thought, 'your life, your journey' rules. I may disagree or agree with choices Jenner has made, but I didn't live his life, won't live it - so his choices should rule. I'm stating that the man didn't make a rational, healthy choice. It wasn't commendable. It wasn't newsworthy. It won't help anybody. It's not an example to be followed. And I'm not going to treat it as though it's any of these things. My respect goes out to Todd Brighton. Todd Brighton is an American nobody has ever heard of, who always felt uncomfortable in his male body but was raised as a man and came to respect all that his masculinity embodied. He didn't cross dress. He didn't put on makeup and strut around his bachelor pad in secret. He saw fit to marry, and hence he did. He bore children and raised them as a father, never once compromising his role in that regard. They knew him as 'Dad'--a rock-solid, reliable paternal figure--and his problems and insecurities didn't become their problems and insecurities. When he turned 65, although certain lusts occasionally nipped at the edges of his mind, he'd brought his thoughts into captivity, never having nurtured his perverse appetites. Instead, he'd learned to subdue them. He'd learned to focus on and appreciate the tremendous things he had. He didn't take an emotional broadsword to his spouse's heart, or his kids' hearts, or his grandkids' hearts by plunging headlong into a sick delusion. He valued his body. He valued his identity as a man, husband, father, and grandfather. He valued his responsibilities. He didn't drug himself, cut himself up, castrate himself, shave down his trachea, change his name, demand that everybody accommodate his delusion. He'll never get an award. He'll never be called brave, or be interviewed on national television, or pose on the cover of a magazine. He'll never have legions of twitterheads and Hollywood bozos singing his praises. But wherever he is, and whatever his actual name is, Todd Brighton has my respect. He exemplifies true selflessness and bravery. He's the example worth following.
Bruce Jenner? He can put himself on as many talk shows and magazine covers and award ceremonies as he wants to. He's a sick, pathetic old man who's thrown away the best things he ever had, and good riddance to him when the glamour wears off. You say "his choices should rule": his choices do rule. Both men made their choices, both have to live with the consequences. Neither the choices nor the consequences have anything to do with me. But I know exactly which of the two men's choices I'm going to give praise to. So you are postulating this person exists? I've never known anyone really capable of hiding their feelings from everyone. It usually comes out somewhere whether in abuse of alcohol, personality quirks, suicide, abuse of others, etc. I think you are trying to admire an ideal that does not exist. I don't believe transgenders disrespect the gender of their birth. They just feel, they can not play that role. Your solution is to just suck it up. My preference would be to expand gender roles.
Best things he ever had? Being born male?!?
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Post by Chocolate Lover on Jun 5, 2015 15:05:57 GMT -5
and he was tossed into that circus because of the marriage to Kim.
He married Kris, not Kim.
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Post by Virgil Showlion on Jun 5, 2015 15:12:42 GMT -5
My sympathies go out to Uncle Fred, and his family.
Uncle Fred is an American nobody has ever heard of, who always felt uncomfortable in his male sexuality but was raised as a man and came to accept all that his masculinity embodied. He didn't cross dress. He didn't put on makeup and strut around his bachelor pad in secret as far as we know. He saw fit to marry, and hence he did. He bore children and raised them as a father, never once compromising his role in that regard. They knew him as 'Dad'--a rock-solid, reliable paternal figure--and his problems and insecurities didn't become their problems and insecurities.
When he turned 50, although certain lusts occasionally nipped at the edges of his mind, he thought he'd brought his thoughts into captivity, never having nurtured his perverse appetites. Instead, he'd learned to subdue them. He'd learned to focus on and appreciate the tremendous things he had. He didn't take an emotional broadsword to his spouse's heart, or his kids' hearts, or his grandkids' hearts by plunging headlong into a sick delusion. He valued his body. He valued his identity as a man, husband, father, and grandfather. He valued his responsibilities. He didn't drug himself, cut himself up, castrate himself, shave down his trachea, change his name, demand that everybody accommodate his delusion.
However when he turned 51 he met another man and fell in love. He was terribly conflicted because he knew that this would devastate his wife, his mother, and shock his whole Irish Catholic family. However, he had lived his entire life terribly conflicted, and at times, suicidal. His children were grown, his wife was secure, and he decided to follow his heart. ...and in so doing, betrayed his entire family in one of the most profound ways imaginable.
He and his wife had a messy divorce, of course. He was the shame of his family- never spoken of- always shunned. He went off to Vermont and lived with his companion where they ran a successful small business. However he was no longer part of his own family. ...because he'd betrayed them, and they resented him for it.
Years went by. His Dad died, and he was not able to attend his funeral. Dad wouldn't have wanted him to anyway. His Mom died, and he couldn't attend the funeral. His family would have been uncomfortable with him there. However, with time, attitudes softened just a bit. His sisters missed him. They were all getting older, and it seemed sad somehow. Another occasion, big wedding anniversary of a sister, with the whole family there. Freddy was there, in the back. With his partner. Quiet. He had been quietly invited by his sister. At one point he and his sister talked, hugged, exchanged nervous and kind words. Several people met him and his "friend". I was introduced as his nieces husband. He was shy, polite,and nervous. What did we have to say, anyway? We'd forgiven him his sin and his betrayal, as we saw fit to do.
The get together ended and he went on his way. All the elders are now frail and dying. They made their peace, I guess. I think of his wife, and the lie she lived under, all those years. The family all pity her.
The above is a real story, about a real man and his family. Bold by me. Given what he did, Fred's story seems to have ended as well as can be expected. We can be grateful for that at least. And don't get me wrong: I value forgiveness as I value justice. If an individual can be forgiven, strive to forgive them. If an individual can loved without countenancing his/her sin, if (s)he permits that (and it has to be permitted), strive to love them. That goes for more than just sexual sins.
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Post by ՏՇԾԵԵʅՏɧ_LԹՏՏʅҼ on Jun 5, 2015 15:13:22 GMT -5
Easy to mix up those women when their first names are all "K.
Speaking of deforming oneself with plastic surgery - isn't that exactly what Kim has done with the enhancements to create that grossly humongous caboose of hers?
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Post by Virgil Showlion on Jun 5, 2015 15:22:23 GMT -5
I seriously doubt you're going to change anyone's thoughts or opinion on the subject. ...said everybody on every message board everywhere. I think it's fair to say people's general opinion almost never "changes" as a result of message board discussion. It can "drift", however. For posters whose views aren't radically unlike my own, perhaps they observe relatable ideas in my posts, and perhaps they observe inconsistencies or fallacies in my posts. This is the domain in which thoughts and opinions are somewhat mutable. For those espousing a diametrically opposed viewpoint (aka every poster willing to post in this thread): you're right. There's too fundamental a disconnect. There are a lot of conservative lurkers out in the audience too, however.
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Post by Value Buy on Jun 5, 2015 16:10:11 GMT -5
Why would you quote a post someone made without meaning to involve the poster? I never do. Obviously, even according to some mods here, it is the proper and appropriate behavior that must be accepted by the entire board. Get with the damn program
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Post by kittensaver on Jun 5, 2015 16:13:26 GMT -5
Why would you quote a post someone made without meaning to involve the poster? I never do. Obviously, even according to some mods here, it is the proper and appropriate behavior that must be accepted by the entire board. Get with the damn program See post #780
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Post by Value Buy on Jun 5, 2015 16:23:55 GMT -5
Without addressing any posts or posters in this thread (I promise!), this issue is a frequent topic of discussion among the mods. While direct insults aren't permitted and are pretty easy to spot/remove, there are ways to couch things that are clearly not against the COC but could still be viewed as insulting a specific poster. We do our best to moderate in an unbiased fashion, but these distinctions can be tough (especially when Person A's "you're stupid" is removed and Person B's "Anyone who believes [Person A's belief] is stupid" is left alone). So if it looks like one insult has been allowed to stand while others have been deleted, don't assume it's because the mods don't care, or because we agree with the opinion and decide that makes it OK -- there's usually a lot of discussion and debate involved. Anyway, I just wanted to provide a little clarification on the process. We do try our best to be fair, although we don't always succeed (and I'm speaking only for myself as to the latter). -- Mid/mod I was the culprit that questioned the original post, but soon acknowledged my word choice was incorrect, for the post I was questioning, about two posts afterwards. My question and constant rhetorical denial, by many here, was she was not directly speaking about the poster she responded to, when everyone knows EXACTLY what she was doing. Virgil is good with it. I am good with it, other than the outright lying. And now back to the subject at hand. Is it still about barbeque sauce or mayo flavors?
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Post by zibazinski on Jun 5, 2015 16:30:18 GMT -5
I'm afraid I don't believe it either. Too many instances of if you espouse the prevailing attitude, you can denigrate and insult with freedom, whereas if you don't "follow the crowd" you're fair game to be ridiculed and damned. But nice try. Some of you probably even believe it.
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Post by kittensaver on Jun 5, 2015 16:33:18 GMT -5
Yeah, I guess I kinda already knew it was a waste of electrons . . . .
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Post by zibazinski on Jun 5, 2015 16:35:49 GMT -5
It's okay. It's the way the wind blows on this forum. As my daddy would say, " you take the bitter with the better."
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Post by Deleted on Jun 5, 2015 17:05:41 GMT -5
This board helped change my opinions on the subject a long time ago. I'm generally live and let live, but wasn't for insurance paying for what at the time I considered elective surgery. But being educated here, I came to realize this isn't really doesn't fit in to 'elective' surgery catagories, and if we can fix this physical problem, we should.
I think several others have posted learning something from this particular thread.
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Post by NoNamePerson on Jun 5, 2015 17:09:45 GMT -5
It's okay. It's the way the wind blows on this forum. As my daddy would say, " you take the bitter with the better." Dang, your daddy was nice. I grew up hearing "you take the shit with the shine"
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Post by Deleted on Jun 5, 2015 17:37:44 GMT -5
Too many instances of if you espouse the prevailing attitude, you can denigrate and insult with freedom, whereas if you don't "follow the crowd" you're fair game to be ridiculed and damned. I am quoting zib. But I am answering the idea I see in this quote that has been prevailing on this thread/board.
This isn't the meme I wanted, but it will do. My daughter showed me one a few months ago and I haven't been able to find it since. In some ways this one is better, because it deals with multiple issues, not just homosexual rights, but in others its not as good, because this one shows a very reasoned response from the 'opposition', while the one I wanted just said 'f-you'.
So, why do I think these memes are applicable here?
Some people seem to think that they can call people sick, degenerate, delusional, fools, icky, immoral, revolting.... and somehow they don't think they are insulting anyone? But if you tell them to f-off, then you are abusing their rights and persecuting them... ?
It might pass the muster of this CoC to be calling public figures or a generic public subgroup these kinds of names... but don't fool yourself. There are people here who fit these categories. There are people here who love people who fit these categories. And if you call them the kinds of names and disparage their characters and choices as been done here... I don't think you should be surprised to have the same come right back at you....
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Post by Green Eyed Lady on Jun 5, 2015 17:47:32 GMT -5
Agreed, Oped....and it's the same the other way around. Get nasty and insulting while decrying others for doing it isn't going to fly either. If a person is going to chastise people for saying things they dislike and then in the next breath, make fun of another group of people, don't be surprised when they get called out for their hyprocrisy. Cause that's what it is. Nobody gets to claim the high road. Nobody. There isn't one in that case.
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Post by Deleted on Jun 5, 2015 17:50:18 GMT -5
John Hopkins, the hospital, used to do a lot of sex change operations. They now treat the desire to change sexes as a mental issue and no longer do sex changes.
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Post by Opti on Jun 5, 2015 17:54:54 GMT -5
Speaking for myself, *I* don't know exactly what she was doing. Rereading hasn't helped that. Yes, I do think she was dissing Virgil's views, but beyond that I don't know. Some exaggerations or satire I miss.
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Post by Opti on Jun 5, 2015 18:00:25 GMT -5
Agreed, Oped....and it's the same the other way around. Get nasty and insulting while decrying others for doing it isn't going to fly either. If a person is going to chastise people for saying things they dislike and then in the next breath, make fun of another group of people, don't be surprised when they get called out for their hyprocrisy. Cause that's what it is. Nobody gets to claim the high road. Nobody. There isn't one in that case. Agreed. Extremism to try to make a point often fails, especially on line where we don't have nonverbal cues.
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Post by Deleted on Jun 5, 2015 18:06:26 GMT -5
Let me take this a step further/ different direction.
If someone came on this board and said "I really struggle with the concept of transgender and gender transition. In my perspective this is more of a mental issue than a physical one and would best be treated with counseling rather than invasive plastic surgery. In addition, certain tenets of my faith conflict with the idea of gender reassignment. For those reasons, while I respect Jenner's right to do what he will with his own body, I cannot support the concept, or his choices in this matter.' ....
I might not agree with them, but I would never think to call them an ignorant ass.
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Post by Deleted on Jun 5, 2015 18:13:52 GMT -5
You don't need nonverbal cues to find names like sick, fool, delusional, immoral, doomed etc. to be nasty and insulting.
I think expecting everyone else to take the high road, when others continue to heap vicious names and character assassinations upon others is just what the meme is describing. Sorry, sometimes I can no longer manage the politeness and even handedness of the 'opposition'. Sometimes a big old FU is all that will do.
Seriously, even if Kitten had been talking about Virgil... what bad did she say... Pompous. That is what you are up in arms about? .... Virgil calls transgendered people every name in the book, and if someone were to suggest he is pompous (not saying kitten did)... But then they are the one being nasty?
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Post by Virgil Showlion on Jun 5, 2015 18:14:30 GMT -5
In my perspective this is more of a mental issue than a physical one and would best be treated with counseling rather than invasive plastic surgery. In addition, certain tenets of my faith conflict with the idea of gender reassignment. For those reasons, while I respect Jenner's right to do what he will with his own body, I cannot support the concept, or his choices in this matter.
ETA: Incidentally, I nowhere use the word "immoral" or anything equivalent to it. The term "mental issues" is a euphemism for both "sick" and "delusional". And the root "doom" is only used as in the verb "dooming themselves to emotional hell", referring to gender reassignment surgery specifically, which by hook or by crook is consistent with every study, article, and anecdote thus far given in this thread, pro-Jenner or not.
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Post by Deleted on Jun 5, 2015 18:27:51 GMT -5
In my perspective this is more of a mental issue than a physical one and would best be treated with counseling rather than invasive plastic surgery. In addition, certain tenets of my faith conflict with the idea of gender reassignment. For those reasons, while I respect Jenner's right to do what he will with his own body, I cannot support the concept, or his choices in this matter. Lol. Now doesn't that feel better?
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Post by chiver78 on Jun 5, 2015 18:32:44 GMT -5
it does little good to close the barn door after the horse has already escaped. just saying.... sent from my electronic distraction
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Post by Virgil Showlion on Jun 5, 2015 18:34:59 GMT -5
In my perspective this is more of a mental issue than a physical one and would best be treated with counseling rather than invasive plastic surgery. In addition, certain tenets of my faith conflict with the idea of gender reassignment. For those reasons, while I respect Jenner's right to do what he will with his own body, I cannot support the concept, or his choices in this matter. Lol. Now doesn't that feel better? My ass just shrunk by 40%. I don't feel less ignorant, bu- ... wait a minute. There are trees outside! And a park! And brisk evening air! I... I could be out walking! I could walk to the Baskin Robbins store with my wife! Why have I been wasting my life on th
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