NFL Releases Deflategate Report:GUILTY

[Value Buy]

May 12, 2015 12:00:46 GMT -5 wvugurl26 said:

May 12, 2015 11:47:48 GMT -5 Value Buy said:

In the category, of, "not that it matters" I formally announce I am boycotting NFL televised games for the first four games this fall.

Please understand I am not giving up very much. Four more games of watching Jay Cutler is not much of a thing to miss.
In fact it should be a healthy emotional thing to do

I'm so annoyed Kevin White ended up there. Such a talented wide receiver wasted on such a useless QB.

Well, we now see if he is really that talented, won't we.
If he is that great, he should make Cutler look like at least an average quarterback.

There was an obituary in our paper last week, for a gentleman that passed away.
It thanked Cutler and the GM of the Bears for putting up with Cutler and providing the deceased with so many great failed years of under performance, giving him great comfort.
I am wondering if Cutler's balls were over inflated. He sure did not know how to hold onto the ball in the pocket, or when he threw it.

[billisonboard]

May 11, 2015 18:29:04 GMT -5 Value Buy said:

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Atlanta is fined for piping in crowd noise, and yet the loudest stadium is Seattle, due to construction, gives their team an unfair advantage against visiting teams. If the NFL wants to be "fair" any Seattle play off games should be played elsewhere or in Seattle with only 50% of the seats filled with fans. 
What is fair, anymore?
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A handicap race in horse racing is a race in which horses carry different weights, allocated by the handicapper. A better horse will carry a heavier weight, to give him or her a disadvantage when racing against slower horses. en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Handicap_race

If the NFL wants to be fair, they need to implement this for running backs based on their 40 yard dash times and receivers on their vertical leap.

[Value Buy]

Why do I think this fiasco is more about the Commissioner keeping his $30,000,000 job, rather than Brady?
The screwy thing is I imagine the team owners are thinking about whether the Commissioner has to go because he has become their biggest liability, and now he has to go after all their star players for the smallest infractions.
I think he is gone by Mid June.

[tallguy]

May 12, 2015 11:47:48 GMT -5 Value Buy said:

In the category, of, "not that it matters" I formally announce I am boycotting NFL televised games for the first four games this fall.

Please understand I am not giving up very much. Four more games of watching Jay Cutler is not much of a thing to miss.
In fact it should be a healthy emotional thing to do

It WOULD matter if you had a good team and quarterback to watch....

  You do realize it will be five weeks for you then.  The Patriots have a Week 4 bye, so Brady is not back until Week 6.

[BeenThere...DoneThat...]

May 12, 2015 16:29:06 GMT -5 Value Buy said:

Why do I think this fiasco is more about the Commissioner keeping his $30,000,000 job, rather than Brady?
The screwy thing is I imagine the team owners are thinking about whether the Commissioner has to go because he has become their biggest liability, and now he has to go after all their star players for the smallest infractions.
I think he is gone by Mid June.

...it wouldn't shock me ... but it wouldn't shock if he stays a bit longer...

...who's next up for commissioner, do you think?

[tallguy]

[chiver78]

May 12, 2015 16:29:06 GMT -5 Value Buy said:

Why do I think this fiasco is more about the Commissioner keeping his $30,000,000 job, rather than Brady?
The screwy thing is I imagine the team owners are thinking about whether the Commissioner has to go because he has become their biggest liability, and now he has to go after all their star players for the smallest infractions.
I think he is gone by Mid June.

I saw a comment today on fb, there was a time that 31 team owners wanted Goodell gone and the only one in his corner was Kraft. funny how times change.

sent from my electronic distraction

[Deleted]

May 12, 2015 16:29:06 GMT -5 Value Buy said:

Why do I think this fiasco is more about the Commissioner keeping his $30,000,000 job, rather than Brady?
The screwy thing is I imagine the team owners are thinking about whether the Commissioner has to go because he has become their biggest liability, and now he has to go after all their star players for the smallest infractions.
I think he is gone by Mid June.

To suggest that the NFL "went after" Brady and Patriots is laughable. Once the information was out there, what were they supposed to do, not investigate because it was the Patriots?  You do realize some of the punishment was due to the fact that both the Patriots and Brady refused to fully cooperate in the investigation. They are lucky that Belicheck wasn't implicated. It is very hard to believe that a coach like him wouldn't know what was going on, not to mention the fact that he is a known cheater.

We can agree on one thing though, Roger Goodell is a total failure at his job and isn't cutting it in a position that requires solid leadership.

[ArchietheDragon]

May 14, 2015 10:02:27 GMT -5 @familycfo said:

May 12, 2015 16:29:06 GMT -5 Value Buy said:

Why do I think this fiasco is more about the Commissioner keeping his $30,000,000 job, rather than Brady?
The screwy thing is I imagine the team owners are thinking about whether the Commissioner has to go because he has become their biggest liability, and now he has to go after all their star players for the smallest infractions.
I think he is gone by Mid June.

To suggest that the NFL "went after" Brady and Patriots is laughable. Once the information was out there, what were they supposed to do, not investigate because it was the Patriots?  You do realize some of the punishment was due to the fact that both the Patriots and Brady refused to fully cooperate in the investigation. They are lucky that Belicheck wasn't implicated. It is very hard to believe that a coach like him wouldn't know what was going on, not to mention the fact that he is a known cheater.

We can agree on one thing though, Roger Goodell is a total failure at his job and isn't cutting it in a position that requires solid leadership.

I wish I could fail like that. 

[NoNamePerson]

Not a commentary one way or the other but this was on my FB today.

[joemilitary]

This post, as well as several below, came from another thread regarding the trainers having been suspended. ~moon

Actually they are suspended indefinitely and can't be trainers with NFL again without permission.

www.msnbc.com/msnbc/tom-brady-suspended-four-games-deflate-gate-patriots-fined-1-million

"John Jastremski and James McNally, the Patriots clubhouse workers who were involved in the deflation of the balls were suspended indefinitely by the club on May 6. Neither can be reinstated without permission of the league and restrictions on their duties."

Is this fair? I am thinking they were just doing what they were told (whether formally or informally)

Seems like the little guy is getting the worse punishment

** edited by moon to add context, since this post and others were merged into this thread and it didn't really make sense.

[zibazinski]

That's the way it always is. They'd have been fired if they'd have refused to deflate the balls, too. Or if they'd have told they were told to.

[marvholly]

low paid workers again carrying the 'can' for MUCH higher ups. Suspect it will be 25-50 years before the entire, TRUE story is known.

[billisonboard]

I don't see the guys who got thrown under the bus for helping the Patriots win their way into the Super Bowl sitting for long in an unemployment line. 

[NoNamePerson]

May 17, 2015 5:28:57 GMT -5 marvholly said:

low paid workers again carrying the 'can' for MUCH higher ups. Suspect it will be 25-50 years before the entire, TRUE story is known.

I give it about 6 weeks before someone writes a tell all book           And sells rights for a movie deal.  Or better yet, a club house workers reality show!!!

[billisonboard]

May 17, 2015 5:28:57 GMT -5 marvholly said:

... Suspect it will be 25-50 years before the entire, TRUE story is known.

May 17, 2015 8:09:40 GMT -5 NoNamePerson said:

... I give it about 6 weeks before someone writes a tell all book ...

Too much money and too many wannabe sports writers for the second to not be true but I think the first will be true also.

[tallguy]

NFL trainers fired in deflate gate

They were always going to be sacrificed.  Not a surprise at all.

To be clear, though, there is a big difference between trainers and clubhouse attendants.  Trainers do things like pre-game taping of athletes and treating minor injuries.  Clubhouse workers take care of equipment, get towels, and do cleanup, along with filling requests from athletes.  (Neither of those is an exhaustive list.)

[tallguy]

You know, if the Patriots don't come to Seattle next season, the Red Sox will have to do....

[Deleted]

Lol. Last week Kraft authorized the publication of a nearly 20,000-word rebuttal to the Wells report.

My favorite part was the claim that McNally, the employee referring to himself as "The Deflator" was referencing weight loss rather than air pressure. You would think with all the brain power up there they could have come up with something better than that!  I mean just yesterday my husband said "I really shouldn't eat this donut, I'm trying to deflate before our vacation."

[Deleted]

May 17, 2015 4:33:32 GMT -5 joemilitary said:

This post, as well as several below, came from another thread regarding the trainers having been suspended. ~moon

Actually they are suspended indefinitely and can't be trainers with NFL again without permission.

www.msnbc.com/msnbc/tom-brady-suspended-four-games-deflate-gate-patriots-fined-1-million

"John Jastremski and James McNally, the Patriots clubhouse workers who were involved in the deflation of the balls were suspended indefinitely by the club on May 6. Neither can be reinstated without permission of the league and restrictions on their duties."

Is this fair? I am thinking they were just doing what they were told (whether formally or informally)

Seems like the little guy is getting the worse punishment

** edited by moon to add context, since this post and others were merged into this thread and it didn't really make sense.

Since the Patriots are claiming no deliberate deflation occurred, why suspend these two? Doesn't make any sense!

Of course they are doing what someone ordered them to do. Anyone with a brain can see that.

[Virgil Showlion]

People... still care about this, huh?

[Virgil Showlion]

May 19, 2015 12:24:25 GMT -5 @familycfo said:

Lol. Last week Kraft authorized the publication of a nearly 20,000-word rebuttal to the Wells report.

My favorite part was the claim that McNally, the employee referring to himself as "The Deflator" was referencing weight loss rather than air pressure. You would think with all the brain power up there they could have come up with something better than that!  I mean just yesterday my husband said "I really shouldn't eat this donut, I'm trying to deflate before our vacation."

They had some good ones during Climategate 1.0 too.

[Deleted]

May 20, 2015 7:06:55 GMT -5 Virgil Showlion said:

People... still care about this, huh?

Apparently so. If it bothers you, feel free to move on.  Oh, and the report also revealed that Brady has a snow leopard as a pet.

[tallguy]

May 20, 2015 7:06:55 GMT -5 Virgil Showlion said:

People... still care about this, huh?

It would have blown over long ago if the Patriots were not so arrogant and disdainful of both the process and the fans (or league.)  Two other teams got into trouble after the season.  The Falcons for piping in crowd noise and the Browns for illegal texting to the sideline.  Both admitted they were wrong, accepted their punishments, and the matters will likely be buried for good. 

The Patriots chose the other tack.  Deny, ridicule, and fail to fully cooperate.  This after a history of cheating in other instances and a warning that anything further would be dealt with severely.  As in politics, it is usually not the crime that brings down an administration or a career.  It is the cover-up.  Same thing here. 

Now that Robert Kraft has changed his mind and will accept the team penalties, it remains only for Tom Brady to do the same.  If he tries to stick with his story it will remain front-page news for a long time.  If he does instead what he should have done in the first place, it will fade away.  His legacy will still be tarnished, but at least he will be given an opportunity to polish it up again.   

[tallguy]

So the suspension was upheld. It turns out Brady claimed to have destroyed his phone (even while knowing that it had been requested as evidence) and the commissioner used that as further evidence of non-cooperation.  

"Rather than simply failing to cooperate, Mr. Brady made a deliberate effort to ensure that investigators would never have access to information that he had been asked to produce. Put differently, there was an affirmative effort by Mr. Brady to conceal potentially relevant evidence and to undermine the investigation," Goodell wrote in his letter upholding Brady's four-game suspension.

"All of this indisputably constitutes conduct detrimental to the integrity of, and public confidence in, the game of professional football."

link 

I know someone was saying here before that it would not get reduced without Brady turning over his phone.  Who was that?  Oh, yeah, I remember now! 

May 11, 2015 17:40:38 GMT -7 tallguy said:

I doubt it will get reduced. If Brady thinks he has a chance without turning over the phone, e-mail, and text records he is out of his mind. And doing so will only prove that he lied during the investigation, thus proving the reason for an increased suspension.