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Post by tallguy on Mar 15, 2015 13:14:11 GMT -5
I'm glad you said, "Used to think...." and have apparently evolved from that position, because on its own that is just about the dumbest thing I have ever read.
There are many reasons not to drink and some have been mentioned already. I rarely drink. I have at times in the past so I have nothing against it, per se, but I have no need or overwhelming desire to drink. Once you know what drinking makes you feel like (whether it is more social or outgoing or whatever) it is pretty easily simulated without the actual drinking and its attendant negative effects. Also for me, it takes quite a bit to "achieve" any real physical effect, and it is not worth the expense. Far better things to do with that money.
I now limit myself to sharing a bottle of wine if I am out to dinner, or if I bring a woman over to the house, but even that is something I would prefer to avoid. And whatever it was I used to drink, it was never beer. Beer drinking is so...common. And really, if you think about it, beer drinkers are LESS worthy of respect than how you used to characterize non-drinkers. I am firmly of the opinion that nobody (or at least very few people) can LIKE the taste of beer when they first try it. It is an acquired taste. Exactly how long do you have to do something you don't like long enough to acquire a taste for it? Pathetic!
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Post by Deleted on Mar 15, 2015 13:20:48 GMT -5
I like it but I'm a lightweight and can't tolerate much. I have a drink or two when we go out and sometimes at home on the weekends. I like beer and trying all the craft beers. There are some in my family that do the "Irish Yoga" frequently so that concerns me a little along with the fact that alcohol hits me pretty quickly. I think that's kind of a warning sign for me to use with moderation .
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Post by MJ2.0 on Mar 15, 2015 13:34:41 GMT -5
I drink socially and limit myself to 2 drinks. IMO beer is gross and I don't like most wines, so hard liquor is what I get. Rum and coke, cranberry and vodka, or a margarita are my go-to drinks.
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Post by msventoux on Mar 15, 2015 14:45:53 GMT -5
I don't drink alcohol. My dad was an alcoholic as were several other family members and the smell of alcohol tends to make me nauseous and bring back bad memories. Red wine tastes like vinegar to me, no matter what the type. I can barely tolerate drinking white wine. Everyone else in my family picked up drinking in their teens and lost a good 20-30 years of their lives to alcohol; I always say I'm taking it up in retirement and losing those years off the back end of my life.
I don't care if anyone else drinks, but I don't hang out with people who constantly drink to excess. They're not nearly as entertaining as they think they are.
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Post by bimetalaupt on Mar 15, 2015 15:11:00 GMT -5
Well: 63% ethanol works better then 91% iso in killing bacteria. Yes this will kill one of the resistant bacteria found in many health care systems! Alcohol is the prospective DEVELOPMENT ELEMENT in wine as well as the solvent for wine. Now that Scania has a bus running on 95% we can breath better in the city.
Now: DID I CHANGE THE SUBJECT OR Subject: Post Options what are your thoughts on alcohol?
Prospective vs. retrospective studies Prospective. A prospective study watches for outcomes, such as the development of a disease, ... WINE HAS BEEN KEEP 100+ YEARS; KEEP FREASH WITH CORK AND 20% ETHANOL...THIS IS PROSPECTIVE!!!!
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Post by Artemis Windsong on Mar 15, 2015 15:29:52 GMT -5
I use rubbing alcohol for sore muscles, cleaning and other stuff.
I seldom drink alcohol. After a NDE, I will have a Baileys Irish Coffee.
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Post by cronewitch on Mar 15, 2015 16:57:40 GMT -5
I haven't drank a lot in my life. As a child we were given taste I remember tasting red wine in 5th grade and hated it and as teens we got a mixed drink on New Year's Eve but you couldn't taste the alcohol so probably not much in it. I quit drinking at 18 when I was on my third day on the same can of beer my boyfriend said either drink right or not at all then when he was serious asked me not to drink since he wasn't drinking, he was a dry drunk. I divorced him at 34 and decided to take up drinking since I hadn't tasted any of the good drinks so for a year or so I drank a different drink about every day, limit one drink per day. I dated a guy who didn't drink so I got drunk when with him so he could drive and take care of me. I don't like being drunk and other than sweet drinks I didn't like any of the drinks much. With my ISO I would usually have one or two drinks a year, usually while camping I would have a rum and coke sitting around the fire. My SIL drinks and would offer me a drink to try sometimes so I would, but didn't like any of them. When I got diabetes I thought I should just quit drinking but I had one more SIL said to try I would like but I didn't like it. Now I have brandy in my kitchen about 1/2 left in the bottle, not sure if I should drink it or toss it. I only like brandy in coffee with hot chocolate powder and with diabetes it might be a really bad idea to drink any. So I don't know if I drink or don't drink if I have one drink every 2-3 years now.
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Post by Deleted on Mar 15, 2015 19:10:59 GMT -5
I drink. I'm not quite as extreme as Cookies Galore , but some days I think my DH feels I am. Alcoholism is, was(?), is rampant in my mother's side of the family. Out of the 4 girls in her family, only 2 produced kids of their own. One cousin dried out while the other is not a big drinker. I think they might have been afraid of the family legacy. My sister and I are drinkers and I will admit I have gotten stupid drunk but I only do it at home. I am the permanent designated driver as DH cannot drive anymore. Sucks since I have no patience to learn how to make mixed drinks and I loathe beer. Can only drink so much sparkling wine as red gives me honking headaches and not the hangover kind. If someone else doesn't want to drink, fine with me. Not going to force them. All the more for me!! Seriously though, since I started working third shift, I haven't really had time to drink. Probably not such a bad thing since I did go a little off the rails when I got laid off. I would love to say that I also catch up on my drinking when I'm off but that would be a lie. I usually catch up on my sleep.
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Post by Deleted on Mar 15, 2015 19:27:00 GMT -5
I like wine and I'd miss alcohol if I couldn't have it. I have a glass every night around bedtime. Not a ladylike 6-oz. glass- maybe 8 oz. or so. I don't go much beyond that or I'll get a migraine. If I'm at an event with open bar I alternate wine with water or club soda.
My Ex was an alcoholic and it eventually killed him so if someone chooses not to drink it's fine with me; you save a lot of money and calories that way.
DS and DDIL don't drink. DDIL doesn't like the taste and DS says it "reminds him of bad times". They don't mind if we drink around them.
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Post by flamingo on Mar 15, 2015 19:41:19 GMT -5
My DH and I drink. Socially, I'd guess you'd say. I like wine, mixed drinks. No beer for either of us. Me, because I don't like the taste and DH doesn't drink it because he says it has too many calories. Very rarely do I drink to excess. A couple weeks ago we went out with a friend and I drank too much. i was laid up for an entire day recovering. It was miserable. I expect it will be years before I do that again, based on that memory. I remember the "fun" of drinking to excess in my 20s. Now, in my 30s, it's not so fun.
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Post by imawino on Mar 15, 2015 20:03:29 GMT -5
I used to drink a lot in my 20's. Aint nobody got time for that anymore. I drink sometimes. A glass of wine or a cocktail here and there. I can't drink beer anymore. It makes me too bloated. But I do like beer. I kind of miss it. I do!! If it's important, you make time.
My thoughts on alcohol are that I love it and would be sad if I couldn't have it. I drink regularly, but very rarely to excess.
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Post by milee on Mar 15, 2015 20:19:18 GMT -5
Hickle, I just realized who you are. Welcome back. I missed you. You have always been a thinker and opened interesting topics. Can't believe it took me this long to realize but maybe you've been doing most of your posting on the boards other than YM and YMOT, so I didn't notice.
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Post by whoisjohngalt on Mar 15, 2015 20:59:27 GMT -5
My thoughts on alcohol....
hmmm....there is not enough of it in the world, especially when you have to deal with some people.
On the separate side of things - I used to be a great drinker. I don't know if all those pregnancies screwed me up or what - but now, I can't do it as well. It upsets me greatly!
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Post by ArchietheDragon on Mar 15, 2015 21:04:42 GMT -5
The health benefits are the way that people who drink try to convince themselves that drinking is good for them. It is a crock.
That said, I drink. I like it. I enjoy the taste. I enjoy the feeling. I enjoy the fact that it loosens me up a little. I like drinking with friends. I like going out and having a drink. I like having a drink at night at home after a hard day.
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Post by Tennesseer on Mar 15, 2015 21:05:31 GMT -5
I haven't drank a lot in my life. As a child we were given taste I remember tasting red wine in 5th grade and hated it and as teens we got a mixed drink on New Year's Eve but you couldn't taste the alcohol so probably not much in it. I quit drinking at 18 when I was on my third day on the same can of beer my boyfriend said either drink right or not at all then when he was serious asked me not to drink since he wasn't drinking, he was a dry drunk. I divorced him at 34 and decided to take up drinking since I hadn't tasted any of the good drinks so for a year or so I drank a different drink about every day, limit one drink per day. I dated a guy who didn't drink so I got drunk when with him so he could drive and take care of me. I don't like being drunk and other than sweet drinks I didn't like any of the drinks much. With my ISO I would usually have one or two drinks a year, usually while camping I would have a rum and coke sitting around the fire. My SIL drinks and would offer me a drink to try sometimes so I would, but didn't like any of them. When I got diabetes I thought I should just quit drinking but I had one more SIL said to try I would like but I didn't like it. Now I have brandy in my kitchen about 1/2 left in the bottle, not sure if I should drink it or toss it. I only like brandy in coffee with hot chocolate powder and with diabetes it might be a really bad idea to drink any. So I don't know if I drink or don't drink if I have one drink every 2-3 years now. Don't toss the brandy. Cook with it. There are a number of food recipes which call for it.
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Post by Opti on Mar 15, 2015 21:16:38 GMT -5
I love all of the alcohol and wish to marry it. Hmmm Alcohol Galore? Should we start posting new avatar choices?
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Post by sesfw on Mar 15, 2015 21:18:34 GMT -5
Others just don't drink for I don't know what reason.
I'm a non-drinker for a couple of reasons.
I was raised by parents that did a bit of drinking. By the time I was 11 I made a pretty good martini while taking care of my kid brother.
I've tried drinking alcohol and don't like the 'bite' feeling in my mouth. When I was 17 the folks had a drink before going out for the evening and there was a couple of drops in the bottom of a Jack Daniels bottle. I up-ended it. Huge mistake. I'm 73 now and I can still feel the burn down my throat. LOL
I'm the designated driver.
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Post by souldoubt on Mar 15, 2015 21:34:39 GMT -5
To quote the great Homer Simpson - "alcohol, the cause and solution to all of life's problems." My group of friends and I were the type that spent our 20's drinking and we drank a lot. Our apartment was the party pad since we had a kegerator and lived within a mile of downtown and multiple bars. Whether or not someone else drinks I could care less as long as they're being reponsible. These days we've all slowed down unless it's a big event like a wedding, bachelor party or a vacation. Age, marriage and kids will do that to you.
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Post by ՏՇԾԵԵʅՏɧ_LԹՏՏʅҼ on Mar 15, 2015 21:58:17 GMT -5
So that excuses you? Sorry but getting stupid drunk is getting stupid drunk no matter where you are.
Doing it at home doesn't give you a free pass or mean that it's okay.
(Spoken from the widow of a raging alcoholic - who had that same attitude. Guess what - he's six feet under - I'm not).
Do I drink? Yes - in moderation. Do I drink every day? No - and not to excess - certainly not to the stage of "stupid drunk". Haven't done that since I was in my 20's.
I like white wine with a good meal, and a cocktail (or two) in the evening - but don't need it or have it every day of the week. .
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Post by Cookies Galore on Mar 16, 2015 7:31:09 GMT -5
So that excuses you? Sorry but getting stupid drunk is getting stupid drunk no matter where you are.
Doing it at home doesn't give you a free pass or mean that it's okay.
(Spoken from the widow of a raging alcoholic - who had that same attitude. Guess what - he's six feet under - I'm not).
Do I drink? Yes - in moderation. Do I drink every day? No - and not to excess - certainly not to the stage of "stupid drunk". Haven't done that since I was in my 20's.
I like white wine with a good meal, and a cocktail (or two) in the evening - but don't need it or have it every day of the week. . I'm curious why you felt the need to say this? It's SL. She feels the need to lecture a lot of people.
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Post by justme on Mar 16, 2015 8:54:51 GMT -5
I like to drink. Sometimes for taste sometimes for effect sometimes for both. I drank a lot in college, but only ever at parties until my senior year (save for two times after I got dumped and called people to drink). Senior year and grad school I'd drink at home and partied less, but I had roommates so it was usually when we were hanging out. Now I'll drink wine at home alone, but liquor only comes out if I have a craving for a top shelf margarita and remembered to get limes. I like the taste of wine and since I don't drink soda or tea my choice of drinks for dinner are water juice or wine, which I don't always want juice for dinner and after being a fish all day at work I'm often watered out and choose a glass of wine. My drinking outside the house is usually quite influenced by who I'm with. The last two times I was drunk was when we made friends with a bartender and he kept refilling our drinks and giving us shots for free (on Valentine's) and then about two months ago at a dinner party where I didn't realize how strong the damn sangria was.
The only non drinkers I've ever had a problem with are the ones that hound anyone who drinks.
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Post by swamp on Mar 16, 2015 10:30:23 GMT -5
Are you her mom, lover, bestie, or daughter? No. Then what gives you the right to lecture her? I don't know a single person without at least one bad habit. Eating too much, not exercising, drinking, poor driving habits, smoking, whatever. Literally everyone I know does something they shouldn't, and they all know they shouldn't. Lectures from random strangers on the internet probably aren't going to change them. Swamp Dark.
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Post by swamp on Mar 16, 2015 10:32:19 GMT -5
My DH and I drink. Socially, I'd guess you'd say. I like wine, mixed drinks. No beer for either of us. Me, because I don't like the taste and DH doesn't drink it because he says it has too many calories. Very rarely do I drink to excess. A couple weeks ago we went out with a friend and I drank too much. i was laid up for an entire day recovering. It was miserable. I expect it will be years before I do that again, based on that memory. I remember the "fun" of drinking to excess in my 20s. Now, in my 30s, it's not so fun.
In my 20's, a little hair of the dog fixed what ailed me. Now hangovers last 4 days.
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Post by souldoubt on Mar 16, 2015 10:57:34 GMT -5
Getting stupid drunk happens at least once sooner or later to pretty much everyone who drinks. I second the fact that hangovers last multiple days now. Even once you get past the first day of feeling like hammered sh*t the 2-3 days after that you're still out of it and lethargic.
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Post by Gardening Grandma on Mar 16, 2015 11:03:07 GMT -5
Speaking for myself: I am trying to shed some excess pounds. I love wine. BUT I have learned that alcohol slows down my metabolism and hinders weight loss, so I have cut back severely. I gave it up entirely for the month of Feb. Have had 1 glass a weekend this month (when eating out). I have tended to abuse alcohol especially during times of stress, so am relieved that it was relatively easy to cut back. I do enjoy the buzz, but hate getting drunk (don't like losing control). And the older I get, the less my body can tolerate...
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Post by Deleted on Mar 16, 2015 11:37:03 GMT -5
I'm curious why you felt the need to say this? It's SL. She feels the need to lecture a lot of people. While I won't use SL's tone, I'll tell you what I told my son when his Dad stopped drinking for awhile after joining AA: Everyone's body has a quota or how much alcohol they can handle. Daddy went through his early and now he can't have any more. I'm no doctor but I do believe that if you abuse alcohol on a regular basis (e.g., getting "stupid drunk") you're more likely to get to the point that you have to stop completely for health reasons. I'd hate to get to that point. I like alcohol.
My Ex kept on drinking anyway and his ashes are somewhere in the Atlantic.
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Post by imawino on Mar 16, 2015 11:40:46 GMT -5
So that excuses you? Sorry but getting stupid drunk is getting stupid drunk no matter where you are.
Doing it at home doesn't give you a free pass or mean that it's okay.
(Spoken from the widow of a raging alcoholic - who had that same attitude. Guess what - he's six feet under - I'm not).
Do I drink? Yes - in moderation. Do I drink every day? No - and not to excess - certainly not to the stage of "stupid drunk". Haven't done that since I was in my 20's.
I like white wine with a good meal, and a cocktail (or two) in the evening - but don't need it or have it every day of the week. . I must have missed the part where she asked you for an excuse. But since you've brought up the need for them I'd like to point out that having once been married to an alcoholic is not an excuse to act like a sanctimonious ass.
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Post by Abby Normal on Mar 16, 2015 12:24:50 GMT -5
I don't think SL was being a sanctimonious ass. Those who have lived with an alcoholic have heard all the excuses of why it "ok" to drink to excess. Those who have gone through the interventions and therapy- know how destructive the behavior is both on the body and the relationships with those around them. They have watched the behavior change and had to suffer through it. Maybe some think of it as a lecture or that SL was harsh- But maybe they have different definitions of what stupid drunk means. *Quote was removed as quoted post has been removed. - mmhmm, Administrator
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Post by kittensaver on Mar 16, 2015 12:42:02 GMT -5
I don't think SL was being a sanctimonious ass. Those who have lived with an alcoholic have heard all the excuses of why it "ok" to drink to excess. Those who have gone through the interventions and therapy- know how destructive the behavior is both on the body and the relationships with those around them. They have watched the behavior change and had to suffer through it. Maybe some think of it as a lecture or that SL was harsh- But maybe they have different definitions of what stupid drunk means. Or maybe SL was projecting her experience on an unrelated situation. Either way, I'm still curious why she felt the need to say anything? Well I am neither defending or bashing SL, but I'm pretty sure she felt the need to say something because it was posed as an open question in the original post.
As in, "what are your thoughts about alcohol"?
Seems like her answer was a legitimate response to an open-ended question. Some may not like the way she phrases things, but since when is someone not allowed to have a response to a posting, particularly when there was an open invitation to do so?
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Post by weltschmerz on Mar 16, 2015 12:48:36 GMT -5
I have read that people who drink moderately live longer then those who do not drink or drink heavily. Some articles attribute this to moderate drinking making socializing easier and more social people live longer. Then there is the whole red wine mediteranean diet thing, which says wine is good for the body. Some people obviously should not drink because they will overdrink. Others just don't drink for I don't know what reason. Do you drink for health reasons? For social reasons? Do you ever over drink, and if so how are you defining that? I used to think that I shouldn't trust a non-drinker since they could not trust themselves to drink. Again though, obviously some people should not drink. I like the idea of drinking. The thought of a beer on the deck is just calming. I don't even drink pop now. My own drinking was/is that I used to drink about 4 or 5 beers every day. I had an old man living in my house who kind of stressed me, so I would go to my room after work, and get on the internet and drink some beers. He moved out and I cut down to about half that amount. Then I wanted to lose some weight and beer was easy calories to eliminate so cut back to about ~6 beers a month. Then I started taking an anti-depressant and alcohol was recommended against, so I stopped drinking completely. I sometimes think I might like a drink again some days, so that is why I am asking, though I still take the anti-depressants. So to reiterate my question, what are your thoughts and beliefs on alcohol, especially the health benefits and if that is something worthwhile to consider when considering alcohol? Thanks Now, that's not entirely fair. I don't drink. I used to drink, but after I got esophageal, gastric and duodenal ulcers from NSAIDs, I just can't drink. It makes me feel sick right away. As far as the social aspects? I'll have a Coke and a Toke. I don't feel like I don't fit in.
I always hated beer. BAD Canadian!
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