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Post by NomoreDramaQ1015 on Mar 12, 2015 13:57:40 GMT -5
My son had a wedding to go to, and bought a Michael Kors suit for about $20 at a thrift store. It was freaking gorgeous!
It had a 3 button jacket in a trendy 2 button world. Oh, the horror
Yes b/c that is the exact same thing as a 30 year old wearing a suit that a 70 year old bought back in the 80s'-90's (I'm guessing here based on MILs claims of when FIL last wore a suit).
My god I am a such a mean nasty fashion clown for insisting DH wear something age appropriate and made in the last decade or so. After all MIL was right the suit was in good condition and "fit" DH just fine.
I didn't even notice the buttons. I couldn't get past the shape of the jacket or the color.
I don't know how many buttons DH's suit has currently nor do I care.
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Post by weltschmerz on Mar 12, 2015 13:58:56 GMT -5
Who gives a crap if it's "mainstream" or not? And clearly, you giggle at those who aren't, or you wouldn't have written that. Seriously?
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Post by milee on Mar 12, 2015 13:59:42 GMT -5
My son had a wedding to go to, and bought a Michael Kors suit for about $20 at a thrift store. It was freaking gorgeous! It had a 3 button jacket in a trendy 2 button world. Oh, the horror! The Kors suit sounds like a great find and the fact that your son looks great in it means it's a keeper.
Maybe I'm not writing clearly, but I love finds like that and think that's awesome. My posts are directed at people like DQ's MIL who hold on to the 20 year suit not because it's gorgeous, not because it looks great on them, not because that's what they can afford and they're just making it work, but because a suit is a suit and surely theirs is a timeless classic.
There's a big difference. And if you can't see it, that's OK. Maybe the "fashion" thing is like people who are colorblind or who can't taste certain foods. Certain people honestly can't see/taste the difference.
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Post by NomoreDramaQ1015 on Mar 12, 2015 14:01:50 GMT -5
I don't think MIL thought the suit was classic, she's just cheap. If that 20 year suit still has life in it by God she's going to make somebody wear it.
She could not grasp why I kept insisting DH needed to purchase his own suit.
Now if this had been something like you see on Mad Men and had fit DH like a glove it'd be a different story. We would have taken it in a heartbeat.
This was just your average run of the mill suit, nothing special or unique about it. Very dated material, very dated color, very dated shape.
The only thing it had going for it was FIL wore it maybe twice so it was still in "new" condition.
So to MIL there was no reason DH needed to buy a suit. A man's suit is a man's suit and she had one in the closet.
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Post by milee on Mar 12, 2015 14:01:46 GMT -5
But don't kid yourself that you look remotely mainstream and that people aren't giggling a little inside when you pass by.
You wrote the bolded. I don't think its a huge leap to guess you do that behavior. That's it.
As you have asked me to do, I'll ask you to do the same - stop making the "leap" and instead go by what I actually write instead of what you're guessing. I've specifically written that I don't do this.
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Post by weltschmerz on Mar 12, 2015 14:06:06 GMT -5
My son had a wedding to go to, and bought a Michael Kors suit for about $20 at a thrift store. It was freaking gorgeous!
It had a 3 button jacket in a trendy 2 button world. Oh, the horror
Yes b/c that is the exact same thing as a 30 year old wearing a suit that a 70 year old bought back in the 80s'-90's (I'm guessing here based on MILs claims of when FIL last wore a suit).
My god I am a such a mean nasty fashion clown for insisting DH wear something age appropriate and made in the last decade or so. After all MIL was right the suit was in good condition and "fit" DH just fine.
I didn't even notice the buttons. I couldn't get past the shape of the jacket or the color.
I don't know how many buttons DH's suit has currently nor do I care.
It was quite the find, and he looks stunning in it. He doesn't wear suits. He installs fridges and stoves in new condos and has his own online business. He really doesn't need a suit. Why spend $1000, or even $500?
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Post by zibazinski on Mar 12, 2015 14:06:54 GMT -5
I am almost 70 and I bought those Nygards, I have never had so many compliments in my life on slacks. Perhaps if I hadn't lost 20 + pounds so far they might not.
As far as Merle Norman I use mainly their more liquid base, used to use the more paste type base but my skin is drier so I go with the liquid now. In the really cold weather I used it a lot of days. I also went from the powder blush to the moist now and translucent powder. I use Maybelline brow pencil. My makeup is light but helps. I would love to use mascara but it bothers my eyes. They will tear and get infected, I had to quit, I will for just a short time on some special occasion and come home and clean it off.
I do use their samples some and some, I pitch a lot of it and gave my DIL piles of the free samples they give me.
I have been cleaning off my makeup with the coconut oil, I really like that stuff and I'm using the Dermagist morning and night. Sometimes I use the coconut oil instead, that stuff is great. I wear a hat with a brim partly because of my hair. Down there in that hot sun it made my hair look like dry straw so I started wearing a hat, took quite awhile but it got healthy again and I have never stopped that for when I'm gardening or mowing.
I have tried other products because of expense but I've had crèmes be blotchy, make my face itch and all kinds of issues, just can't do it. I tried a different brand of lipstick because it stayed on real well. I bought quite a few tubes and then found out with repeated using it made my lips dry and the lipstick started going outside the margins yuck so went back to Merle Norman, it doesn't stay on as long but sure looks better. I keep a supply on hand as I'm afraid one day they will close. The base was originally developed for burns and they realized it made good makeup. My mom used it all her life and she had beautiful skin. But as you say it could be genes too. Get them dyed. I do.
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Post by weltschmerz on Mar 12, 2015 14:07:20 GMT -5
I don't think MIL thought the suit was classic, she's just cheap. If that 20 year suit still has life in it by God she's going to make somebody wear it.
She could not grasp why I kept insisting DH needed to purchase his own suit.
Now if this had been something like you see on Mad Men and had fit DH like a glove it'd be a different story. We would have taken it in a heartbeat.
This was just your average run of the mill suit, nothing special or unique about it. Very dated material, very dated color, very dated shape.
The only thing it had going for it was FIL wore it maybe twice so it was still in "new" condition.
So to MIL there was no reason DH needed to buy a suit. A man's suit is a man's suit and she had one in the closet.
Reminds me of the green corduroy suit on Mike and Molly.
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Post by Opti on Mar 12, 2015 14:09:37 GMT -5
DQ, some people hate wasting good stuff(their opinion) so they have a hard time getting rid of it. Stuff like that can go to the local clothing bin or vintage store if somewhat interesting and you get DH a more contemporary suit like you did.
Milee, I get what you are trying to say, but instead it is coming off more like we are probably fashion challenged or impaired if we keep older clothing or profess to like classic pieces. Yes some people have no style sense or very little. Its their cross to bear I suppose. I like to think I do OK, but I'd be more trendy thinner and with $$.
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Post by milee on Mar 12, 2015 14:09:56 GMT -5
Who gives a crap if it's "mainstream" or not? And clearly, you giggle at those who aren't, or you wouldn't have written that. Seriously?
Some of the people who were claiming to wear their 20 year old clothes are the ones who specifically criticized other people for their style of dress and were implying that their "timeless classics" were the only proper way to dress. My posts started as a way to explain to them that 1) not everybody looks good in the same thing and it's a good idea to dress in what fits/flatters you best and 2) their 20 year old clothes probably aren't as "proper", "timeless" or "classic" as they think.
The posts were not remotely criticizing vintage clothes or clothes that aren't cutting edge current style and if you read back, you will see that.
So if you want to continue to bring up examples of great stuff you have that isn't current, go ahead. If you want to make me out to be some meanie who mocks people walking by, go ahead. But none of that is remotely what I've posted.
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Post by Opti on Mar 12, 2015 14:10:46 GMT -5
You wrote the bolded. I don't think its a huge leap to guess you do that behavior. That's it.
As you have asked me to do, I'll ask you to do the same - stop making the "leap" and instead go by what I actually write instead of what you're guessing. I've specifically written that I don't do this. OK. Then I remain confused as to why you even posted it.
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Post by NomoreDramaQ1015 on Mar 12, 2015 14:10:49 GMT -5
I don't think MIL thought the suit was classic, she's just cheap. If that 20 year suit still has life in it by God she's going to make somebody wear it.
She could not grasp why I kept insisting DH needed to purchase his own suit.
Now if this had been something like you see on Mad Men and had fit DH like a glove it'd be a different story. We would have taken it in a heartbeat.
This was just your average run of the mill suit, nothing special or unique about it. Very dated material, very dated color, very dated shape.
The only thing it had going for it was FIL wore it maybe twice so it was still in "new" condition.
So to MIL there was no reason DH needed to buy a suit. A man's suit is a man's suit and she had one in the closet.
Reminds me of the green corduroy suit on Mike and Molly. I seriously think that if it had been made out of green corduroy it would have been an improvement. I'm not sure it was even in style when it was purchased.
I kept hearing Julie Andrews from Sound of Music in my head "the poor didn't want this one".
If I had a suit that's made it to vintage status, that suit and DH's current suit and laid them all out on the bed you'd be able to see what I was talking about when I say there is a difference.
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Post by Opti on Mar 12, 2015 14:12:14 GMT -5
Who gives a crap if it's "mainstream" or not? And clearly, you giggle at those who aren't, or you wouldn't have written that. Seriously?
Some of the people who were claiming to wear their 20 year old clothes are the ones who specifically criticized other people for their style of dress and were implying that their "timeless classics" were the only proper way to dress. My posts started as a way to explain to them that 1) not everybody looks good in the same thing and it's a good idea to dress in what fits/flatters you best and 2) their 20 year old clothes probably aren't as "proper", "timeless" or "classic" as they think.
The posts were not remotely criticizing vintage clothes or clothes that aren't cutting edge current style and if you read back, you will see that.
So if you want to continue to bring up examples of great stuff you have that isn't current, go ahead. If you want to make me out to be some meanie who mocks people walking by, go ahead. But none of that is remotely what I've posted.
Are these people posting in this thread? Have they posted it on this thread and I missed it?
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Post by milee on Mar 12, 2015 14:16:18 GMT -5
Milee, I get what you are trying to say, but instead it is coming off more like we are probably fashion challenged or impaired if we keep older clothing or profess to like classic pieces. Yes some people have no style sense or very little. Its their cross to bear I suppose. I like to think I do OK, but I'd be more trendy thinner and with $$.
Honestly, I probably would never have even posted (I'm not a fashion follower) if some of the posts on the first few pages of the thread hasn't started specifically disparaging people who don't dress in "timeless classics" or that a certain style was superior to others.
As for having $$ to spend on clothes, that does make it easier but still is no guarantee you have any taste; I know I struggle with clothing and am always willing to listen to advice from a few of my really stylish friends.
I have NO IDEA why people think fashionable has anything to do with thin/fat/heavy/slender, though. Some of the best dressed women I know are heavier. Maybe I have an unusual set of friends, but style and weight don't seem to correspond even remotely. There are weird skinny friends and ultra stylish curvy friends in the mix.
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Post by milee on Mar 12, 2015 14:18:38 GMT -5
As you have asked me to do, I'll ask you to do the same - stop making the "leap" and instead go by what I actually write instead of what you're guessing. I've specifically written that I don't do this. OK. Then I remain confused as to why you even posted it. Frankly it was a bit of a prickly response to PatStab who is quick to talk about how crappy everybody else looks but then talks about how she pulls out her 20 year old pants.
Maybe she's the rare exception to the rule, but most of the people I know that have racks of 20 year old clothes don't look great. They may look clean and neatly pressed, but they look dumpy and dated. And to be criticized by someone who is waxing poetic about her racks of 20 year clothes and how much better they look than everybody else grated on me.
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Post by milee on Mar 12, 2015 14:20:42 GMT -5
Some of the people who were claiming to wear their 20 year old clothes are the ones who specifically criticized other people for their style of dress and were implying that their "timeless classics" were the only proper way to dress. My posts started as a way to explain to them that 1) not everybody looks good in the same thing and it's a good idea to dress in what fits/flatters you best and 2) their 20 year old clothes probably aren't as "proper", "timeless" or "classic" as they think.
The posts were not remotely criticizing vintage clothes or clothes that aren't cutting edge current style and if you read back, you will see that.
So if you want to continue to bring up examples of great stuff you have that isn't current, go ahead. If you want to make me out to be some meanie who mocks people walking by, go ahead. But none of that is remotely what I've posted.
Are these people posting in this thread? Have they posted it on this thread and I missed it? Yes. Re-read the first few pages.
And there's another that constantly mocks people who aren't in timeless classics but then brings up her "classic" 20 year old banana pantsuit, but I haven't seen her in this thread, so that's me just carrying some baggage from other threads.
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Post by cael on Mar 12, 2015 14:22:46 GMT -5
My SIL's husband (who's pushing 50) had one suit for years... the suit he wore to his prom. she finally made him buy a new suit for my wedding, which was almost 4 years ago. I'm pretty sure he didn't keep it because it was a timeless classic.. he kept it because he's cheap as hell. it did look dated and slightly shrunken on him.
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Post by Chocolate Lover on Mar 12, 2015 14:23:35 GMT -5
As a former heavier person (size 14, now 8) it's not impossible to find figure-flattering clothing that is stylish. On the harder side, sure, but if you have an eye for things it's not a terrible endeavor. Even when I was hating how I looked and was frustrated with shopping, I personally still enjoyed shopping. I think that's the key. I have a pretty standard uniform (cardigan, tank top/sleeveless shell, jeans/black pants, flats) that I've stuck no matter my weight. When I was heavier I wore more skirts and now I feel more comfortable in dresses, and I also tend to wear more straight leg pants to work now. Skirts (i wore and still wear pencil skirts) and a sweater hid the fat better. For me. I've always been one to accessorize well. Necklaces have always been my expertise! As someone who's shrinking (very slowly currently) from around a 20 (in Lane Bryant clothes which is probably bigger at a "normal" store) to a "normal" 16, the shopping gets harder the bigger you get. 14 you can find cute stuff in. A 22? Not so much. The prints get ugly and it's all boxy at that point, hard to create a waist with a belt when the middle is bigger than the top and bottom. I will qualify that with I've always hated shopping no matter what size I was. It's an exercise in frustration and annoyance since there has never been any standards for size numbers. And it really sucks if you don't have that eye for it. I sure don't.
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Post by Opti on Mar 12, 2015 14:35:35 GMT -5
Milee, I get what you are trying to say, but instead it is coming off more like we are probably fashion challenged or impaired if we keep older clothing or profess to like classic pieces. Yes some people have no style sense or very little. Its their cross to bear I suppose. I like to think I do OK, but I'd be more trendy thinner and with $$.
Honestly, I probably would never have even posted (I'm not a fashion follower) if some of the posts on the first few pages of the thread hasn't started specifically disparaging people who don't dress in "timeless classics" or that a certain style was superior to others.
As for having $$ to spend on clothes, that does make it easier but still is no guarantee you have any taste; I know I struggle with clothing and am always willing to listen to advice from a few of my really stylish friends.
I have NO IDEA why people think fashionable has anything to do with thin/fat/heavy/slender, though. Some of the best dressed women I know are heavier. Maybe I have an unusual set of friends, but style and weight don't seem to correspond even remotely. There are weird skinny friends and ultra stylish curvy friends in the mix.
OK. So some early posts or posters really rubbed you the wrong way. Got it. I guess I didn't pay much attention to it as I think depending on your style and body type, classic might work or be a horrible mistake.
Fashion does not need to have anything to do with size, but my preferred style is fitted. I've seen people dress well at various weights too.
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Post by weltschmerz on Mar 12, 2015 14:38:04 GMT -5
I absolutely refuse to wear those ultra low-rise "mainstream" jeans with the half-inch zipper in the front. They're nothing more than an answer to tramp stamps. If people want to laugh at me, I don't care.
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Post by NomoreDramaQ1015 on Mar 12, 2015 14:40:46 GMT -5
My SIL's husband (who's pushing 50) had one suit for years... the suit he wore to his prom.
If you had said it still fit I would have been impressed.
My dad hasn't bought a suit since I was a child. My mom made him purchase a new one for grandpa's funeral.
My dad's still the same size, so that's how he's gotten away with not purchasing a new suit all this time. I had no idea how dated he looked in the old suit until I saw him in the new one. HUGE improvement.
My dad didn't think it was a classic. He's just like most men who don't wear suits daily, he wasn't going to buy a new one unless he absolutely had to.
absolutely refuse to wear those ultra low-rise "mainstream" jeans with the half-inch zipper in the front
Ultra low rise jeans have been on the way out for awhile now. Unless you are shopping in the junior's department for jeans I am surprised you are able to find any. Most of what I see is mid rise.
I saw high rise make a comeback and it's hanging on, but it's a fad just like ultra low rise.
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Post by weltschmerz on Mar 12, 2015 14:45:56 GMT -5
I wouldn't know, as I don't keep up with trends. All I know is that that's all they had when I went shopping for new jeans about 2 years ago.
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Post by NomoreDramaQ1015 on Mar 12, 2015 14:56:09 GMT -5
Jeans are a staple of my wardrobe, that's how I know where the waistline is headed. Even if they were still in style I wouldn't wear them. They aren't age appropriate anymore and don't suit my post two children body. God I WISH I still had the body for ultra low rise jeans. I would have worn them more at 18 if I had known.
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Post by happyhoix on Mar 12, 2015 15:19:40 GMT -5
DQ, some people hate wasting good stuff(their opinion) so they have a hard time getting rid of it. Stuff like that can go to the local clothing bin or vintage store if somewhat interesting and you get DH a more contemporary suit like you did.
Milee, I get what you are trying to say, but instead it is coming off more like we are probably fashion challenged or impaired if we keep older clothing or profess to like classic pieces. Yes some people have no style sense or very little. Its their cross to bear I suppose. I like to think I do OK, but I'd be more trendy thinner and with $$.
I'm fashion impaired and it isn't a cross to bear. I don't give a shit. I've worn crocs out in public. There, I said it.
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Post by swamp on Mar 12, 2015 15:39:17 GMT -5
As a former heavier person (size 14, now 8) it's not impossible to find figure-flattering clothing that is stylish. On the harder side, sure, but if you have an eye for things it's not a terrible endeavor. Even when I was hating how I looked and was frustrated with shopping, I personally still enjoyed shopping. I think that's the key. I have a pretty standard uniform (cardigan, tank top/sleeveless shell, jeans/black pants, flats) that I've stuck no matter my weight. When I was heavier I wore more skirts and now I feel more comfortable in dresses, and I also tend to wear more straight leg pants to work now. Skirts (i wore and still wear pencil skirts) and a sweater hid the fat better. For me. I've always been one to accessorize well. Necklaces have always been my expertise! As someone who's shrinking (very slowly currently) from around a 20 (in Lane Bryant clothes which is probably bigger at a "normal" store) to a "normal" 16, the shopping gets harder the bigger you get. 14 you can find cute stuff in. A 22? Not so much. The prints get ugly and it's all boxy at that point, hard to create a waist with a belt when the middle is bigger than the top and bottom. I will qualify that with I've always hated shopping no matter what size I was. It's an exercise in frustration and annoyance since there has never been any standards for size numbers. And it really sucks if you don't have that eye for it. I sure don't. The problem is that it seems 12/14 are really popular sizes, so unless you jump on them immediately, they're gone.
No clearance rack goodies for you!!!!
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Post by Deleted on Mar 12, 2015 15:39:49 GMT -5
DQ, some people hate wasting good stuff(their opinion) so they have a hard time getting rid of it. Stuff like that can go to the local clothing bin or vintage store if somewhat interesting and you get DH a more contemporary suit like you did.
Milee, I get what you are trying to say, but instead it is coming off more like we are probably fashion challenged or impaired if we keep older clothing or profess to like classic pieces. Yes some people have no style sense or very little. Its their cross to bear I suppose. I like to think I do OK, but I'd be more trendy thinner and with $$.
I'm fashion impaired and it isn't a cross to bear. I don't give a shit. I've worn crocs out in public. There, I said it. I've let a 6 and 7 year old granddaughter cut my hair and not gave a shit. I've been getting store bought haircuts lately though. There are lots of reasons for a person to dress a certain way, to save money, to impress others, because certain clothes just feel right and make you at ease. Wear what you like and what works for you and you are doing it right.
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The key to dressing well is fit, appropriateness, and colors. There maybe some other aspects, but if you get those right you are going to look good or at least better . Lots of people confuse dressing up with dressing well.
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I think this guy is owning this look
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Post by Chocolate Lover on Mar 12, 2015 15:46:28 GMT -5
As someone who's shrinking (very slowly currently) from around a 20 (in Lane Bryant clothes which is probably bigger at a "normal" store) to a "normal" 16, the shopping gets harder the bigger you get. 14 you can find cute stuff in. A 22? Not so much. The prints get ugly and it's all boxy at that point, hard to create a waist with a belt when the middle is bigger than the top and bottom. I will qualify that with I've always hated shopping no matter what size I was. It's an exercise in frustration and annoyance since there has never been any standards for size numbers. And it really sucks if you don't have that eye for it. I sure don't. The problem is that it seems 12/14 are really popular sizes, so unless you jump on them immediately, they're gone.
No clearance rack goodies for you!!!!
As long as you don't mind if it's ugly, then you'll find something
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