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Post by Deleted on Mar 7, 2011 16:07:01 GMT -5
Yeah, NJ is green... but i don't mind red... www.hslda.org/laws/default.aspThis took on a new direction. We don't have to talk about homeschool... but i do feel better now... i was feeling a bit crazy there....
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Post by stats45 on Mar 7, 2011 16:15:56 GMT -5
I agree oped. All schools (I believe) could do a better job emphasizing math and science.
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Post by 973beachbum on Mar 7, 2011 16:15:57 GMT -5
Wow! That is a big difference between Penn and our state of anarchy.
I could care less how people want to educate their own child I just hate the fights when they decide they want them to be in the public school band or on the football team also. How can someone get to 45 and not understand the meaning of making a choice?
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Post by dragonfly7 on Mar 7, 2011 16:23:38 GMT -5
"All schools (I believe) could do a better job emphasizing math and science."
I emphatically agree. This is why DH hates standardized testing. Science tends to be the most neglected subject.
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Post by Deleted on Mar 7, 2011 16:36:06 GMT -5
Well... i do still pay school taxes 973 ... in PA its law, homeschoolers have to be able to attend non-graded courses/activities/sports... we might try soccer next year, there are some hoops, 'attendence' policy... (and more schools have started grading chorus, band, etc...)
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Post by 973beachbum on Mar 7, 2011 16:48:19 GMT -5
Well... i do still pay school taxes 973 ... in PA its law, home schoolers have to be able to attend non-graded courses/activities/sports... we might try soccer next year, there are some hoops, 'attendence' policy... (and more schools have started grading chorus, band, etc...) In NJ the home school parent has no gov intervention as it were but the other half is if the kid is home schooled the school does not have to allow them to do anything at the school. It is the sole discretion of the school. Although in truth I have never head of a school allowing it.
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Post by 973beachbum on Mar 7, 2011 16:50:31 GMT -5
The biggest fight I ever saw at a school was with a parent who was home schooling their child but insisted the school had to let their child enroll in something like band or sports. It was loud and nasty. I just said I'll come back and walked out.
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Post by Sum Dum Gai on Mar 7, 2011 16:52:11 GMT -5
I can see the home school parents point though. They're still paying taxes whether or not they home school. Why shouldn't their kid be allowed to participate in band or sports?
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Post by Deleted on Mar 7, 2011 16:54:02 GMT -5
Districts around here comply. But to varying degrees... there is one which considered itself blended... not only can you come in for drama and chorus and sports and OM , etc... but if you just want to take Chemestry say, you can go and do that, and homeschool the rest of the time... or take one or two of that school's cyber classes... It keeps kids from going completely cyber, and then they lose the funding... and they find they have better all around home/school rapport...
Mine isn't that nice about it ... but they aren't any real problem. Homeschool is its own section on the school website... they send out letters before they test... last year they had stuff left over from their liquidation auction and robocalled all the homeschoolers to see if they wanted to go through the stuff and take anything that was left...
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Post by 973beachbum on Mar 7, 2011 17:10:10 GMT -5
I can see the home school parents point though. They're still paying taxes whether or not they home school. Why shouldn't their kid be allowed to participate in band or sports? I don't totally disagree in theory but the senior citizen also pays taxes and only gets the more esoteric benefits of the system. the family that pays a private school also pays taxes and doesn't get to use the school for anything. Personally I think the law was written when people were mad. The people who wanted to home school wanted nothing to do with the public school system and wanted no rules put on them . The school system was happy to oblige and put in they don't have to help them in any way.. Essentially the both got what they wanted.
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Post by Deleted on Mar 7, 2011 17:36:49 GMT -5
Private school students around here get transportation through their home district. And the home district provides often provides speech and other therapies.... sometimes more...
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Post by cronewitch on Mar 7, 2011 17:43:13 GMT -5
Children aren't free anyhow so they may as well be forced to go to school. From the day they are born someone is in charge of children and telling them what they are allowed to do. Newborns don't get to decide if they want to have a bottle then a nap. They are locked in cribs, play pen, car seats, swings or parent arms until they can walk then not allowed run of the house or to go outside or anything without parental permission. Even at 3 or 4 they are watched nearly every second with no freedom to choose even what they will eat or when they want to go to bed.
They only have to go to school a few hours a day there is plenty of time left to be free. Most parents wouldn't make good teachers even decent people. My niece was asking if you had 5 people and needed to give them each 1 3/8 of something how many you would need. She her husband and two children couldn't figure it out it was multiple choice. The son is in intermediate algebra and both parents finished high school but none could do a math question. Her uncle answered without knowing the choices or using paper and pencil, they were amazed. Those kind of people aren't good teachers of math or other subjects they don't know. They have hired math tutors for both kids. The girl refused to learn from her mom at all. She has down syndrome and mom tried to keep her math and English skills over a summer but she wouldn't do it for her. They hired her older brother's friends she wanted to impress so she studied hard for them.
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Post by Mardi Gras Audrey on Mar 7, 2011 17:43:24 GMT -5
Dragon,
I got a lot of social benefit from attending school as well. I didn't get to be home schooled (mom and Dad both worked) but I did go to several public and private schools (both at the K-12 and college levels). My experiences at the public schools were superior to that of the private schools at both levels. I was always one of the more advanced kids and attending public school helped me learn empathy for others as well as how to teach subjects and help my peers understand them better. I might not have gotten as much out of K-8 as I would have if I was homeschooling at my own pace but my parents were both working so they wouldn't have been able to help me "expand" my learning anyways. I was a very shy kid and public school definitely helped me get used to talking to people (our high school was ~1600 kids) and come out of my shell. Would I have preferred to stay home and read all day? Yes but I think it would have stunted my development.
Public high school was definitely a good experience, as I got the chance to get into more advanced, specialized courses. I definitely wouldn't have gotten these from being home schooled (I got through Calculus and AP chemistry in high school... my mom isn't comfortable doing algebra or physical sciences).
I think the OP's friend is definitely overlooking some of the benefits of public schools..
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