mmhmm
Administrator
It's a great pity the right of free speech isn't based on the obligation to say something sensible.
Joined: Dec 25, 2010 18:13:34 GMT -5
Posts: 31,770
Today's Mood: Saddened by Events
Location: Memory Lane
Favorite Drink: Water
|
Post by mmhmm on Mar 1, 2015 10:24:30 GMT -5
Fake statues? What I suspected when I saw all the dust as the statues were toppled over. The statues were too clean, too white, and not enough detail in the chiseled works : The Mosul Museum video from Islamic State could be a staged dramaThe Islamic State wants the global community to know that there's a new sheriff in town. So it wrecked a museum full of precious sculptures and on Thursday posted video of the vandalism on the Internet. At least, that's what their video wants you to think. The video quickly went viral, but there is reason for some skepticism. "Look closely, and most of the toppling statues shatter in clouds of dust. Apparently they are plaster replicas of ancient statues, not carvings in alabaster and other durable stone with which authentic imperial sculpture was made. Toppled stone would break in cleaner chunks. The Mosul Museum video from Islamic State could be a staged drama We can only hope this is correct. I don't know a darned thing about antiquities but what's said makes sense, I guess. If the whole museum isn't blown to smithereens by a missile one day, I suppose we'll find out sooner, or later.
|
|
billisonboard
Community Leader
Joined: Dec 20, 2010 22:45:44 GMT -5
Posts: 37,473
|
Post by billisonboard on Mar 1, 2015 11:13:03 GMT -5
|
|
djAdvocate
Member Emeritus
only posting when the mood strikes me.
Joined: Jun 21, 2011 12:33:54 GMT -5
Posts: 75,129
Mini-Profile Background: {"image":"","color":"000307"}
|
Post by djAdvocate on Mar 1, 2015 12:47:14 GMT -5
I will agree with you, provisionally, on "war is wrong"... That provision being STARTING a war is wrong. Defending one's self or defending others against an aggressor however... Up to and including making it impossible for them to make war again... is fine. It's a case of the aggressor doesn't get to pick the response. My Father always told me: "Never start a fight, but if the fight is brought to you and you can't avoid it, or if you are helping someone else that can't avoid it, always be the one to finish it." what did your dad tell you about getting involved in fights that were none of your business?
|
|
Deleted
Joined: Apr 30, 2024 15:31:19 GMT -5
Posts: 0
|
Post by Deleted on Mar 1, 2015 13:37:53 GMT -5
because non specifically targeted destruction doesn't matter
|
|
Deleted
Joined: Apr 30, 2024 15:31:19 GMT -5
Posts: 0
|
Post by Deleted on Mar 1, 2015 19:43:35 GMT -5
I will agree with you, provisionally, on "war is wrong"... That provision being STARTING a war is wrong. Defending one's self or defending others against an aggressor however... Up to and including making it impossible for them to make war again... is fine. It's a case of the aggressor doesn't get to pick the response. My Father always told me: " Never start a fight, but if the fight is brought to you and you can't avoid it, or if you are helping someone else that can't avoid it, always be the one to finish it." what did your dad tell you about getting involved in fights that were none of your business? Re-read the bolded (Paying special attention to the underlined) as necessary to find the answer to that question.
|
|
Deleted
Joined: Apr 30, 2024 15:31:19 GMT -5
Posts: 0
|
Post by Deleted on Mar 1, 2015 19:44:49 GMT -5
because non specifically targeted destruction doesn't matter Who ever said that? I know I didn't say that... even though you attached a quote of me.
|
|
djAdvocate
Member Emeritus
only posting when the mood strikes me.
Joined: Jun 21, 2011 12:33:54 GMT -5
Posts: 75,129
Mini-Profile Background: {"image":"","color":"000307"}
|
Post by djAdvocate on Mar 1, 2015 21:03:35 GMT -5
what did your dad tell you about getting involved in fights that were none of your business? Re-read the bolded (Paying special attention to the underlined) as necessary to find the answer to that question. it doesn't actually answer the question- but i can see how you think it did. no, the question i was asking was about butting into the fights of STRANGERS.
|
|
Deleted
Joined: Apr 30, 2024 15:31:19 GMT -5
Posts: 0
|
Post by Deleted on Mar 1, 2015 22:05:54 GMT -5
Re-read the bolded (Paying special attention to the underlined) as necessary to find the answer to that question. it doesn't actually answer the question- but i can see how you think it did. no, the question i was asking was about butting into the fights of STRANGERS. It actually does answer the question you asked. But, since simple answers aren't your forte, I'll expand upon it some and use some unconstrained verbose vocabulary to synthesize a more expansive sound to it: Commencing a fight as the aggressor is wrong. Always. Period. End of thought process. Whether you are in it or it's two other parties, that you have nothing to do with... the aggressor is ALWAYS in the wrong. And, it is incumbent upon those who CAN help to come to the aid of those that need or want it in their own defense.
|
|
djAdvocate
Member Emeritus
only posting when the mood strikes me.
Joined: Jun 21, 2011 12:33:54 GMT -5
Posts: 75,129
Mini-Profile Background: {"image":"","color":"000307"}
|
Post by djAdvocate on Mar 1, 2015 22:14:17 GMT -5
it doesn't actually answer the question- but i can see how you think it did. no, the question i was asking was about butting into the fights of STRANGERS. It actually does answer the question you asked. i actually do read your posts, Richard. my question followed that post. therefore, a question remained after reading it that was unanswered. if i phrased that question inelegantly, that is MY FAULT, but i am certain you didn't answer it. "none of our business" does not include helping people who are both in need of it, and request it.But, since simple answers aren't your forte, I'll expand upon it some and use some unconstrained verbose vocabulary to synthesize a more expansive sound to it: Commencing a fight as the aggressor is wrong. Always. Period. End of thought process. Whether you are in it or it's two other parties, that you have nothing to do with... the aggressor is ALWAYS in the wrong. And, it is incumbent upon those who CAN help to come to the aid of those that need or want it in their own defense. would you define our venture in Iraq as a war of aggression?
|
|
Deleted
Joined: Apr 30, 2024 15:31:19 GMT -5
Posts: 0
|
Post by Deleted on Mar 2, 2015 2:04:23 GMT -5
It actually does answer the question you asked. But, since simple answers aren't your forte, I'll expand upon it some and use some unconstrained verbose vocabulary to synthesize a more expansive sound to it: Commencing a fight as the aggressor is wrong. Always. Period. End of thought process. Whether you are in it or it's two other parties, that you have nothing to do with... the aggressor is ALWAYS in the wrong. And, it is incumbent upon those who CAN help to come to the aid of those that need or want it in their own defense. would you define our venture in Iraq as a war of aggression? Yes. I never said we were in "the right" on that one. Not once. However... us being in the wrong on that one doesn't change the FACT that we didn't target places and items of historical value solely because they HAD historical value (which IS what the thread is about).
|
|
djAdvocate
Member Emeritus
only posting when the mood strikes me.
Joined: Jun 21, 2011 12:33:54 GMT -5
Posts: 75,129
Mini-Profile Background: {"image":"","color":"000307"}
|
Post by djAdvocate on Mar 2, 2015 11:34:15 GMT -5
would you define our venture in Iraq as a war of aggression? Yes. I never said we were in "the right" on that one. Not once. However... us being in the wrong on that one doesn't change the FACT that we didn't target places and items of historical value solely because they HAD historical value (which IS what the thread is about). i don't think that distinction is as important as you do. the distinction i use is "responsible party". if my son takes my car keys, starts my car up, and runs over the neighbor's dog, i am responsible for that. if we invade a country, then stand idly by (because of poor planning, or whatever) and watch as antiquities are destroyed, we are RESPONSIBLE for that. i don't know if the term "malicious negligence" would apply there, but it certainly might. for the record, i was just asking you the question, because it was not utterly clear to me what your position was. i was not "attacking you", or "entrapping you", i was just curious, Richard. thanks for answering. no further questions.
|
|
wyouser
Senior Associate
Joined: Dec 20, 2010 16:35:20 GMT -5
Posts: 12,126
|
Post by wyouser on Mar 2, 2015 15:59:19 GMT -5
So, one can assume 4000-6000 AD one would witness future Jihadists blowing up Stone Mountain or Mt Rushmore, or Crazy Horse Mt? We would then be that stone age culture that chisled images of our "dieties" onto those mountains?
|
|
djAdvocate
Member Emeritus
only posting when the mood strikes me.
Joined: Jun 21, 2011 12:33:54 GMT -5
Posts: 75,129
Mini-Profile Background: {"image":"","color":"000307"}
|
Post by djAdvocate on Mar 2, 2015 16:44:18 GMT -5
So, one can assume 4000-6000 AD one would witness future Jihadists blowing up Stone Mountain or Mt Rushmore, or Crazy Horse Mt? We would then be that stone age culture that chisled images of our "dieties" onto those mountains? on the contrary. i think it is safer to assume that in 400-600 years, they have their own version of Mt. Rushmore in places like Afghanistan and Pakistan.
|
|
Tennesseer
Member Emeritus
Joined: Dec 20, 2010 21:58:42 GMT -5
Posts: 63,483
|
Post by Tennesseer on Mar 2, 2015 16:49:43 GMT -5
So, one can assume 4000-6000 AD one would witness future Jihadists blowing up Stone Mountain or Mt Rushmore, or Crazy Horse Mt? We would then be that stone age culture that chisled images of our "dieties" onto those mountains? Don't forget the Creation Museum in Kentucky.
|
|
wyouser
Senior Associate
Joined: Dec 20, 2010 16:35:20 GMT -5
Posts: 12,126
|
Post by wyouser on Mar 2, 2015 16:56:28 GMT -5
Tenn, this is off subject, but I often of late FEEL like a living fossil!
|
|
EVT1
Junior Associate
Joined: Dec 30, 2010 16:22:42 GMT -5
Posts: 8,596
|
Post by EVT1 on Mar 2, 2015 16:58:16 GMT -5
So, one can assume 4000-6000 AD one would witness future Jihadists blowing up Stone Mountain or Mt Rushmore, or Crazy Horse Mt? We would then be that stone age culture that chisled images of our "dieties" onto those mountains? Don't forget the Creation Museum in Kentucky. Talk about flawed logic- wow!
|
|
Tennesseer
Member Emeritus
Joined: Dec 20, 2010 21:58:42 GMT -5
Posts: 63,483
|
Post by Tennesseer on Mar 2, 2015 17:28:37 GMT -5
Tenn, this is off subject, but I often of late FEEL like a living fossil! We are, wyouser. We are.
|
|
Tennesseer
Member Emeritus
Joined: Dec 20, 2010 21:58:42 GMT -5
Posts: 63,483
|
Post by Tennesseer on Mar 2, 2015 17:30:40 GMT -5
EVT1-looks like our man bits 'evolved'. We started out looking like Ken. From the Creation Museum:
|
|
EVT1
Junior Associate
Joined: Dec 30, 2010 16:22:42 GMT -5
Posts: 8,596
|
Post by EVT1 on Mar 2, 2015 19:10:40 GMT -5
Wow- a white guy with a pet fox and for some reason a penguin That makes a lot of sense And also a sheep on the right, can't tell what is in the background. Never mind- this is supposed to be Noah right? Why didn't he save the dinosaurs again?
|
|
mmhmm
Administrator
It's a great pity the right of free speech isn't based on the obligation to say something sensible.
Joined: Dec 25, 2010 18:13:34 GMT -5
Posts: 31,770
Today's Mood: Saddened by Events
Location: Memory Lane
Favorite Drink: Water
|
Post by mmhmm on Mar 2, 2015 19:14:49 GMT -5
EVT1-looks like our man bits 'evolved'. We started out looking like Ken. From the Creation Museum: Skuze me, but with the shadows what they are, that looks like Eve with a beard. Jus' sayin' ...
|
|
djAdvocate
Member Emeritus
only posting when the mood strikes me.
Joined: Jun 21, 2011 12:33:54 GMT -5
Posts: 75,129
Mini-Profile Background: {"image":"","color":"000307"}
|
Post by djAdvocate on Mar 2, 2015 19:47:03 GMT -5
i don't think i have ever seen ferns and penguins together in the same place.
|
|
Tennesseer
Member Emeritus
Joined: Dec 20, 2010 21:58:42 GMT -5
Posts: 63,483
|
Post by Tennesseer on Mar 2, 2015 20:15:10 GMT -5
EVT1-looks like our man bits 'evolved'. We started out looking like Ken. From the Creation Museum: Skuze me, but with the shadows what they are, that looks like Eve with a beard. Jus' sayin' ... With an 11:59 PM 'shadow'.
|
|
Tennesseer
Member Emeritus
Joined: Dec 20, 2010 21:58:42 GMT -5
Posts: 63,483
|
Post by Tennesseer on Mar 2, 2015 20:25:35 GMT -5
Wow- a white guy with a pet fox and for some reason a penguin That makes a lot of sense And also a sheep on the right, can't tell what is in the background. Never mind- this is supposed to be Noah right? Why didn't he save the dinosaurs again? Behind Adam is a Tyrannosaurus rex possibly looking for some cuddling time? According to the museum, all animals, including dinosauers, were herbivores. After the Apple scandal, some animals became carnivores and the preying began. The museum also states there were dinosaurs on Noah's ark. The dinosaurs all died during the little ice age, which occurred after Noah's great flood.
|
|
EVT1
Junior Associate
Joined: Dec 30, 2010 16:22:42 GMT -5
Posts: 8,596
|
Post by EVT1 on Mar 2, 2015 21:26:22 GMT -5
Looking closely it looks like a pony and either a babadook or an evil rabbit.
I am surprised it is supposed to be Adam- so where was the garden of Eden? Alabama?
And yeah- nicely trimmed beard for a newly created being with no concept of tools or a mirror.
I am really interested in how they explain it all- where was the ark originally? We know where it supposedly ended up.
I must look into this- I saw Ham debate Nye- but none of this was mentioned. I really like the idea of vegan animals not having any natural predators
|
|
Tennesseer
Member Emeritus
Joined: Dec 20, 2010 21:58:42 GMT -5
Posts: 63,483
|
Post by Tennesseer on Mar 2, 2015 21:53:00 GMT -5
Looking closely it looks like a pony and either a babadook or an evil rabbit.
I am surprised it is supposed to be Adam- so where was the garden of Eden? Alabama?
And yeah- nicely trimmed beard for a newly created being with no concept of tools or a mirror.
I am really interested in how they explain it all- where was the ark originally? We know where it supposedly ended up.
I must look into this- I saw Ham debate Nye- but none of this was mentioned. I really like the idea of vegan animals not having any natural predators
Humans and Animals were originally Created to eat Only Plants!
|
|
djAdvocate
Member Emeritus
only posting when the mood strikes me.
Joined: Jun 21, 2011 12:33:54 GMT -5
Posts: 75,129
Mini-Profile Background: {"image":"","color":"000307"}
|
Post by djAdvocate on Mar 2, 2015 22:01:59 GMT -5
my son did Vegetarianism in Judaism for his bar mitzvah sermon.
|
|
EVT1
Junior Associate
Joined: Dec 30, 2010 16:22:42 GMT -5
Posts: 8,596
|
Post by EVT1 on Mar 2, 2015 22:31:56 GMT -5
Looking closely it looks like a pony and either a babadook or an evil rabbit.
I am surprised it is supposed to be Adam- so where was the garden of Eden? Alabama?
And yeah- nicely trimmed beard for a newly created being with no concept of tools or a mirror.
I am really interested in how they explain it all- where was the ark originally? We know where it supposedly ended up.
I must look into this- I saw Ham debate Nye- but none of this was mentioned. I really like the idea of vegan animals not having any natural predators
Humans and Animals were originally Created to eat Only Plants! So sharp teeth must have been brought on by evolution
That is a special group of crazy. And plants aren't alive- really? So what are they? Non living things that eat, reproduce, grow, and shit? Haven't seen a rock do that
|
|
weltschmerz
Community Leader
Joined: Jul 25, 2011 13:37:39 GMT -5
Posts: 38,962
|
Post by weltschmerz on Mar 4, 2015 19:19:10 GMT -5
Looking closely it looks like a pony and either a babadook or an evil rabbit.
I am surprised it is supposed to be Adam- so where was the garden of Eden? Alabama?
And yeah- nicely trimmed beard for a newly created being with no concept of tools or a mirror.
I am really interested in how they explain it all- where was the ark originally? We know where it supposedly ended up.
I must look into this- I saw Ham debate Nye- but none of this was mentioned. I really like the idea of vegan animals not having any natural predators
Don't be silly! Dinosaurs never existed. Christians Against Dinosaurs says so. -----------
Did you know that nobody had even heard of dinosaurs before the 1800s, when they were invented by curio-hungry Victorians?"
The eyebrow-raising post claims learning about dinosaurs - extinct for 65 million years according to experts - made a boy "bestially minded" and led to him biting three children.
It ads: "Nothing about dinosaurs is suitable for children, from their total lack of family values through to their non-existence from any serious scientific point of view."
And the poster claims to have presented a 214-name petition to a school asking for dinosaurs to be removed from the curriculum.
The post finishes by pointing readers to a Facebook group: Christians Against Dinosaurs. www.mirror.co.uk/news/weird-news/save-children-dinosaurs-funniest-mumsnet-5144843
|
|
mmhmm
Administrator
It's a great pity the right of free speech isn't based on the obligation to say something sensible.
Joined: Dec 25, 2010 18:13:34 GMT -5
Posts: 31,770
Today's Mood: Saddened by Events
Location: Memory Lane
Favorite Drink: Water
|
Post by mmhmm on Mar 6, 2015 23:07:26 GMT -5
Looking closely it looks like a pony and either a babadook or an evil rabbit.
I am surprised it is supposed to be Adam- so where was the garden of Eden? Alabama?
And yeah- nicely trimmed beard for a newly created being with no concept of tools or a mirror.
I am really interested in how they explain it all- where was the ark originally? We know where it supposedly ended up.
I must look into this- I saw Ham debate Nye- but none of this was mentioned. I really like the idea of vegan animals not having any natural predators
Don't be silly! Dinosaurs never existed. Christians Against Dinosaurs says so. -----------
Did you know that nobody had even heard of dinosaurs before the 1800s, when they were invented by curio-hungry Victorians?"
The eyebrow-raising post claims learning about dinosaurs - extinct for 65 million years according to experts - made a boy "bestially minded" and led to him biting three children.
It ads: "Nothing about dinosaurs is suitable for children, from their total lack of family values through to their non-existence from any serious scientific point of view."
And the poster claims to have presented a 214-name petition to a school asking for dinosaurs to be removed from the curriculum.
The post finishes by pointing readers to a Facebook group: Christians Against Dinosaurs. www.mirror.co.uk/news/weird-news/save-children-dinosaurs-funniest-mumsnet-5144843
|
|
Tennesseer
Member Emeritus
Joined: Dec 20, 2010 21:58:42 GMT -5
Posts: 63,483
|
Post by Tennesseer on Mar 6, 2015 23:21:25 GMT -5
Don't be silly! Dinosaurs never existed. Christians Against Dinosaurs says so. -----------
Did you know that nobody had even heard of dinosaurs before the 1800s, when they were invented by curio-hungry Victorians?"
The eyebrow-raising post claims learning about dinosaurs - extinct for 65 million years according to experts - made a boy "bestially minded" and led to him biting three children.
It ads: "Nothing about dinosaurs is suitable for children, from their total lack of family values through to their non-existence from any serious scientific point of view."
And the poster claims to have presented a 214-name petition to a school asking for dinosaurs to be removed from the curriculum.
The post finishes by pointing readers to a Facebook group: Christians Against Dinosaurs. www.mirror.co.uk/news/weird-news/save-children-dinosaurs-funniest-mumsnet-5144843
The Facebook page for Christians against Dinosaurs Christians Against Dinosaurs
|
|