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Post by mmhmm on Feb 26, 2015 16:45:10 GMT -5
I don't know her. You may be right. I don't know why she initially agreed to treat the child and changed her mind. I believe the article said she made her decision after praying about it. I wouldn't say she was heartless unless I knew her. Again, I'd say she is misguided and I don't understand why she has an issue treating the child. If she's against homosexuality, I guess I could see her stance on not treating the parents ("see" - not agree with). I don't have any idea what the child has to do with their choices, but I don't understand her entire way of thinking anyway. That's my take, too, GEL. I'm not going to sit in judgement on another's attitudes. I don't have to agree and, in this case, I don't. However, I'm completely confounded when it comes to figuring out what the child has to do with all this. If you don't believe a lesbian life is a moral life, that's fine. It's your choice. The baby, however, isn't a lesbian. It's just a baby. Why spread your distaste to an innocent? |
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Post by ArchietheDragon on Feb 26, 2015 16:51:30 GMT -5
I don't know her. You may be right. I don't know why she initially agreed to treat the child and changed her mind. I believe the article said she made her decision after praying about it. I wouldn't say she was heartless unless I knew her. Again, I'd say she is misguided and I don't understand why she has an issue treating the child. If she's against homosexuality, I guess I could see her stance on not treating the parents ("see" - not agree with). I don't have any idea what the child has to do with their choices, but I don't understand her entire way of thinking anyway. That's my take, too, GEL. I'm not going to sit in judgement on another's attitudes. I don't have to agree and, in this case, I don't. However, I'm completely confounded when it comes to figuring out what the child has to do with all this. If you don't believe a lesbian life is a moral life, that's fine. It's your choice. The baby, however, isn't a lesbian. It's just a baby. Why spread your distaste to an innocent? What if the baby is a lesbian? |
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Post by mmhmm on Feb 26, 2015 16:55:34 GMT -5
That's my take, too, GEL. I'm not going to sit in judgement on another's attitudes. I don't have to agree and, in this case, I don't. However, I'm completely confounded when it comes to figuring out what the child has to do with all this. If you don't believe a lesbian life is a moral life, that's fine. It's your choice. The baby, however, isn't a lesbian. It's just a baby. Why spread your distaste to an innocent? What if the baby is a lesbian? In infancy, that child's sexual orientation isn't known. It's not an issue. The question "What if" will go both ways equally. What if it isn't? Does it really matter in an infant? -Really? |
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Post by ArchietheDragon on Feb 26, 2015 16:56:58 GMT -5
What if the baby is a lesbian? In infancy, that child's sexual orientation isn't known. It's not an issue. The question "What if" will go both ways equally. What if it isn't? Does it really matter in an infant? -Really? Maybe in her prayer it was revealed to her. |
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Post by bean29 on Feb 26, 2015 17:30:32 GMT -5
I don't think I would want the doctor to see my child if that's how she felt anyway. 
You want your child to be comfortable with their doctor and be able to talk to them about their concerns, especially in adolescence. I wouldn't trust this doc not to be a judgmental idiot or to give good advice to my child if they had questions about sexuality.
While I agree that is true, if they don't tell you how they feel, then you would not know to find a different Dr. That is why I feel I would rather have the Dr. be honest with me.
I have a cousin who posted on FB that her 17 year old is Gay. They have had a traumatic couple of years, having to find a different Dr. on top of A death of a parent and a grandparent in the same year might be a little much to swallow.
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Post by Deleted on Feb 26, 2015 18:50:25 GMT -5
I'm torn on this issue (and the bakery one... and the photography one)...
On the one hand I like the idea of "everyone just advertise your 'won't provide service for' list, and then just let the free market take care of it"
On the other hand I also like the idea of "before you go into a service industry where you will have to serve the general public, make damn sure you CAN and WILL serve all of them... even the ones that do icky things in private"
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Post by Deleted on Feb 26, 2015 18:59:35 GMT -5
But telling is part of the whole point. It's unprofessional. If you can't put aside your personal feelings to do your job, I don't want you...
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Post by billisonboard on Feb 26, 2015 20:06:33 GMT -5
I don't know her. You may be right. I don't know why she initially agreed to treat the child and changed her mind. I believe the article said she made her decision after praying about it. I wouldn't say she was heartless unless I knew her. Again, I'd say she is misguided and I don't understand why she has an issue treating the child. If she's against homosexuality, I guess I could see her stance on not treating the parents ("see" - not agree with). I don't have any idea what the child has to do with their choices, but I don't understand her entire way of thinking anyway. That's my take, too, GEL. I'm not going to sit in judgement on another's attitudes. I don't have to agree and, in this case, I don't. However, I'm completely confounded when it comes to figuring out what the child has to do with all this. If you don't believe a lesbian life is a moral life, that's fine. It's your choice. The baby, however, isn't a lesbian. It's just a baby. Why spread your distaste to an innocent? It is possible a doctor would have to seat down with parents and have a serious, potentially life and death conversation with parents. If the doctor feels that they will not be able to do this if she is looking at two parents of the same gender, then it would be best if they didn't treat the child from the start. |
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Post by Deleted on Feb 26, 2015 20:08:12 GMT -5
If she can't do that based on her personal beliefs regarding something completely unrelated to the situation... She shouldn't be a doctor.
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Post by Green Eyed Lady on Feb 26, 2015 20:32:18 GMT -5
While I totally disagree with this doctor, I can't make myself say that anyone who doesn't share my beliefs has no right to live their lives and earn a living as they see fit. To me, this is the epitome of hyprocrisy and I wouldn't participate in it.
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Post by Deleted on Feb 26, 2015 20:44:48 GMT -5
She is a doctor. Her living is earned treating patients for health and medical issues. Specifically a pediatrician. So treating children.
I don't see what you are saying I guess? What is hypocritical for suggesting she do that?
Do you think doctors in general should let their personal beliefs impact the manner in which they care for you?
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Post by Green Eyed Lady on Feb 26, 2015 20:59:44 GMT -5
I believe I already said I disagreed with her actions in this matter. Several times, in fact. What I don't believe in is anybody thinking their own personal beliefs get to dictate the actions of others, while totally demanding that other's beliefs not impact theirs.
For example, I intend to say "under God" in the Pledge of Allegiance. Nobody's personal beliefs to the contrary are going to make me stop. Conversely, I don't get to force others to say it nor do I get to say they shouldn't be allowed to live in America if they don't. If I want respect for my beliefs, I have to give it to others. Its as simple as that. Obviously, this doesn't include "beliefs" that injure others. I shouldn't have to say that, but it will be brought up if I don't.
There are Catholic gynecologist/obstetricians in my area. They will not prescribe birth control. If a woman desires this service, they have to go elsewhere. That doesn't mean these doctors shouldn't be doctors. It just means that some women have to seek birth control services elsewhere. I don't agree with that either, but I don't get to run them out of town on a rail. |
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Post by Deleted on Feb 26, 2015 21:10:46 GMT -5
You do get to not go to them.
I would not not take my child to this doctor. I dont care who thinks she has the right to be a doctor. She has no right to be my doctor. If people want to take their child to a doctor who would let their private beliefs dictate the way they care for patients... Fine for them. Maybe she could be a doctor to them. But I'm not going to take my kid there because you or she thinks she has the 'right' to be a doctor...
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Post by Deleted on Feb 26, 2015 21:12:31 GMT -5
The part that gets me is being unable to give a baby good care because of who the parents are. I don't understand that at all, but there's a lot about people that I don't understand.
I also think it's good this doctor was honest. I wouldn't want a doctor to be responsible for my child's well being if they have a problem with me that would negatively impact how they treated my child. So I would appreciate the honesty regardless of what I thought about them for thinking that way in the first place.
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Post by Deleted on Feb 26, 2015 21:14:53 GMT -5
She was honest with this couple. Does she tell all patients that if their child comes to her with sexual identity questions that she is anti gay/lesbians? ... What other personal beliefs does she have that might impact her care? Does she warn everyone about those things?
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Post by deziloooooo on Feb 26, 2015 21:19:15 GMT -5
The pediatrician is a coward. Actually Tenn she is a idiot...I am sure very qualified and highly skilled but in emotional make up..sadly lacking and again..a idiot...for the parents..time to move on...Why would one want their child treated by such a person...I guarantee them this Doctor is not the one above all others for their child.....Did I mention that she is a ...IDIOT....    PS..Since she is in a practice with other doctor {s?}..I wonder how they feel about all this type of publicity..in most cases negatively and very unprofessional...Possible to make a change in their affiliation if they had any integrity unless they all {if more then one..}feel the same way..also , possible workers in the office who may also be gay..{one never knows...} |
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Post by Green Eyed Lady on Feb 26, 2015 21:19:08 GMT -5
You do get to not go to them. I would not not take my child to this doctor. I dont care who thinks she has the right to be a doctor. She has no right to be my doctor. If people want to take their child to a doctor who would let their private beliefs dictate the way they care for patients... Fine for them. Maybe she could be a doctor to them. But I'm not going to take my kid there because you or she thinks she has the 'right' to be a doctor... I absolutely agree with you. She has no right to be YOUR doctor. That's not what you said in your prior post, tho. You said she shouldn't be A doctor. That's the part I disagreed with. I wouldn't take my child to this doctor either. |
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Post by Tennesseer on Feb 26, 2015 21:25:37 GMT -5
The pediatrician is a coward. Actually Tenn she is a idiot...I am sure very qualified and highly skilled but in emotional make up..sadly lacking and again..a idiot...for the parents..time to move on...Why would one want their child treated by such a person...I guarantee them this Doctor is not the one above all others for their child.....Did I mention that she is a ...IDIOT.... Dezi-She didn't even have the courage to report to work on the day of the women and baby's appointed visit with her "The first thing Dr. Karam said was, ‘I’ll be your doctor, I’ll be seeing you today because Dr. Roi decided this morning that she prayed on it and she won’t be able to care for Bay,’ ” Jami told WJBK. “Dr. Karam told us she didn’t even come to the office that morning because she didn’t want to see us.” Pediatrician refuses to treat baby with lesbian parents and there’s nothing illegal about it |
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Post by Deleted on Feb 26, 2015 21:30:07 GMT -5
I don't think she should be a doctor... That's why I wouldn't take my kid there  |
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Post by Opti on Feb 26, 2015 21:34:17 GMT -5
Not sure entirely what I think, however, shouldn't her prayer advised her not to be a coward and actually show up for the appointment? Pretty wussy to just bail. |
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Post by Green Eyed Lady on Feb 26, 2015 21:38:38 GMT -5
I believe the article in the OP stated that she knew she made a mistake by not speaking to the couple in person. She's at least right on that point. I think the reasoning she put forth for not speaking to the couple in person was more than a little lame and a cop out but at least she's admitting it wasn't the right thing to do. As for what she should have heard as a result of her prayers? I certainly can't speculate on that.
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Post by ArchietheDragon on Feb 26, 2015 21:42:00 GMT -5
The most likely scenario is that she is a repressed lesbian and is worried that she will start to find women attractive if she is around lesbians too often and she would hate herself if she became a lesbian.
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Post by Green Eyed Lady on Feb 26, 2015 21:43:24 GMT -5
Well....I didn't think of that. |
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Post by Deleted on Feb 26, 2015 21:46:42 GMT -5
The most likely scenario is that she is a repressed lesbian and is worried that she will start to find women attractive if she is around lesbians too often and she would hate herself if she became a lesbian. She can't become a lesbian if she is already a lesbian. Did you mean she would hate herself if she became lesbianer? |
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Post by justme on Feb 26, 2015 22:10:23 GMT -5
I don't think she should be a doctor... That's why I wouldn't take my kid there I don't know. I wouldn't take my kid to her, but a lot of doctor's care has to do with opinion. Hopefully it's backed up by science but not necessarily. Like a homeopathic doctor will try "natural" treatment before resorting to antibiotics before using it to treat say a staph infection even though science says antibiotics works - her opinion is that natural is better and so she does that. Or, for an actual example I had certain symptoms that is normally attributed to x and I tested positive for that but my Dr had an opinion that it was something else and tested for y which I had and would have been worse off if it took me longer for someone to look past x. So there's definitely plenty of professions where you can't say x + y = z all the time and rely on trusting the professional's opinion so I want to be able to know who I can trust. |
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Post by Deleted on Feb 26, 2015 22:16:50 GMT -5
You think it's her informed medical opinion that led to this decision? ... If so is that not more reason to question her suitability to the job?
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Post by justme on Feb 26, 2015 23:08:32 GMT -5
No, I'm just saying that practice of medicine relies on the patient trusting the doctors opinion. Ideally it's backed by science, but it isn't always. Like with off script meds. So I find it incorrect to say that a doctor shouldn't have opinions, rather it's imperative to find a doctor whose opinion you trust.
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Post by EVT1 on Feb 27, 2015 0:28:50 GMT -5
The baby has no sexuality.
Perhaps it was a baby that was going to be aborted
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Post by ՏՇԾԵԵʅՏɧ_LԹՏՏʅҼ on Feb 27, 2015 0:29:56 GMT -5
I don't know her. You may be right. I don't know why she initially agreed to treat the child and changed her mind. I believe the article said she made her decision after praying about it. I wouldn't say she was heartless unless I knew her. Again, I'd say she is misguided and I don't understand why she has an issue treating the child. If she's against homosexuality, I guess I could see her stance on not treating the parents ("see" - not agree with). I don't have any idea what the child has to do with their choices, but I don't understand her entire way of thinking anyway.
Don't get me started on prayers helping her make her decision to refuse treatment. She clearly is against same-couple relationships.
The child/infant is the innocent. The Dr is a $%()#)Q
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Post by EVT1 on Feb 27, 2015 0:35:59 GMT -5
Take it to the limit- I am sorry, I am not going to perform CPR on your gay marriage child so I recommend you figure out how to do it quickly.
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