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Post by OldCoyote on Feb 26, 2015 9:10:58 GMT -5
Listening to a radio show rant about the Dr. rejecting the baby in this report, saying the Dr. had a responsibility to take care of that child. Do you think the radio station would reject an ad I might want to run, just because they may not want to run it. I think they have the right to reject my ad the same as the Dr. has the right to reject a client. www.freep.com/story/news/local/michigan/macomb/2015/02/18/discrimination-birth/23640315/
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Post by whoisjohngalt on Feb 26, 2015 9:22:02 GMT -5
Here we go again.....can't do anything unless it's approved by the "cool" kids.
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Post by Tennesseer on Feb 26, 2015 9:47:20 GMT -5
Doctors, bakeries, florists, and other businesses which serve the general public should advertise to whom they will and will not provide services. Announce it boldly on your front doors. Advertise it on your store windows. Trumpet it on the radio. Declare it in the Yellow Pages. Publicize it on the Internet.
Let the world know who and what you tolerate so the world can decide for itself whether your business is worth keeping open.
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Post by zibazinski on Feb 26, 2015 10:08:58 GMT -5
The people were referred to another doctor in the practice. Where people make mistakes is being honest. If the doctor had simply said she didn't want to take on another baby at this time, no harm no foul, but like the bakers, she was honest. I think it's ridiculous to blame a baby for the parents choices but I'm not the doctor with the feelings.
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Post by Tennesseer on Feb 26, 2015 10:29:31 GMT -5
The people were referred to another doctor in the practice. Where people make mistakes is being honest. If the doctor had simply said she didn't want to take on another baby at this time, no harm no foul, but like the bakers, she was honest. I think it's ridiculous to blame a baby for the parents choices but I'm not the doctor with the feelings. From the linked article: "The Roseville pediatrician — one of many they had interviewed — seemed the perfect fit: She took a holistic approach to treating children. She used natural oils and probiotics. And she knew they were lesbians." The doctor should have been upfront with the the two women when they interviewed her.
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Post by zibazinski on Feb 26, 2015 10:30:50 GMT -5
Absolutely.
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Post by Tennesseer on Feb 26, 2015 10:32:31 GMT -5
The pediatrician is a coward.
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Post by zibazinski on Feb 26, 2015 10:35:11 GMT -5
Or decided to be an idiot. Oils? What bs. I'd run from a doctor like that.
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Post by bean29 on Feb 26, 2015 11:07:33 GMT -5
While I think all pharmacies should dispense any prescription a Dr. has prescribed, I do not have a problem with what this Dr. did.
This was not Emergency Medical Treatment. It is not that there was not another caregiver willing to provide for the couple's child within an accessible distance (there was another Dr. willing and able to do this right within the same practice!). The Dr. decided she could not provice the best care to this family and she told them. She should not be punished for being honest. The Dr. Patient relationship is an important one, and why would they want a Dr. to convey disapproval of their lifestyle to their child.
I do think this is much ado about nothing.
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Post by Deleted on Feb 26, 2015 11:15:17 GMT -5
While I think all pharmacies should dispense any prescription a Dr. has prescribed, I do not have a problem with what this Dr. did.
This was not Emergency Medical Treatment. It is not that there was not another caregiver willing to provide for the couple's child within an accessible distance (there was another Dr. willing and able to do this right within the same practice!). The Dr. decided she could not provice the best care to this family and she told them. She should not be punished for being honest. The Dr. Patient relationship is an important one, and why would they want a Dr. to convey disapproval of their lifestyle to their child.
I do think this is much ado about nothing. I can't getthe whole sentence to bold, grr, but that one. We have a saying around here. It's this: You are free to say what you want... You aren't free from the consequences of what you say. Works for act too...
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Post by jeep108 on Feb 26, 2015 11:15:27 GMT -5
I don't think I would want the doctor to see my child if that's how she felt anyway.
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Post by Deleted on Feb 26, 2015 11:20:13 GMT -5
The thing is jeep... i wouldn't want her to see my kid either... and i'm not a lesbian.
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Post by NomoreDramaQ1015 on Feb 26, 2015 11:32:05 GMT -5
Here we go again.....can't do anything unless it's approved by the "cool" kids.
I'm not allowed to speak out if I disagree with someone's business practices?
Isn't this how the beloved free market of this board is supposed to work? The pediatrician refused to see the couple b/c they are lesbians. The lesbians spoke out about the lack of service they received and now the free market will get to decide if the pediatrician faces backlash or not.
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Post by swamp on Feb 26, 2015 12:13:15 GMT -5
I don't think I would want the doctor to see my child if that's how she felt anyway.
You want your child to be comfortable with their doctor and be able to talk to them about their concerns, especially in adolescence. I wouldn't trust this doc not to be a judgmental idiot or to give good advice to my child if they had questions about sexuality.
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Post by zibazinski on Feb 26, 2015 12:24:30 GMT -5
My ob was a lesbian when my son was born. I can't tell you the amount of people who were horrified that I was letting a lesbian deliver my baby. Because of that lesbian I don't have AIDS because she knew about the disease, most medical people did when my son was born but no screening was being done for getting blood. I gave birth in a hospital that probably used a lot of tainted blood. Because she stayed until I was in the clear I did not recieve a transfusion and a chance of bad blood. Had she left, I'd have been given blood. As it was I was an hour from that choice when it was determined I didn't need it. But I'd have not been given that choice. She made sure I did. I may not embrace that lifestyle but I'm not condemning those that do.
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Post by zibazinski on Feb 26, 2015 12:28:06 GMT -5
Btw, I was rejected from a gay b&b in key west. They found me another b&b and paid for one of my two nights stay. I suppose I could have made a big stink about it but I was happy to move on. Didn't know it was a gay one when I booked it.
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Post by weltschmerz on Feb 26, 2015 14:01:42 GMT -5
I wonder if the good doctor rejects the children of all sinners, or just the gay ones?
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Post by Tennesseer on Feb 26, 2015 14:05:05 GMT -5
Btw, I was rejected from a gay b&b in key west. They found me another b&b and paid for one of my two nights stay. I suppose I could have made a big stink about it but I was happy to move on. Didn't know it was a gay one when I booked it. I would think it unusual not to advertise a B&B is for gays-they owners would want customers to know they are gay friendly and to fill up their rooms. Apparently not.
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Post by Tennesseer on Feb 26, 2015 14:06:24 GMT -5
I wonder if the good doctor rejects the children of all sinners, or just the gay ones? The doors would be shuttered-no customers if the pediatrician passed judgement on all sinners.
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Post by ՏՇԾԵԵʅՏɧ_LԹՏՏʅҼ on Feb 26, 2015 14:21:51 GMT -5
I wonder if the good doctor rejects the children of all sinners, or just the gay ones? A person's sexual orientation is a sin? Go figure.
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Post by weltschmerz on Feb 26, 2015 14:51:21 GMT -5
I wonder if the good doctor rejects the children of all sinners, or just the gay ones? A person's sexual orientation is a sin? Go figure.
Well clearly, this doctor thinks so.
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Post by Green Eyed Lady on Feb 26, 2015 15:04:43 GMT -5
I see this as a whole lot different than the flowers and cake cases. Let's say that laws change in that state and this pediatrician is forced to treat that beautiful little girl or someone else's precious child. Would you, as parent, even want her to? Do you want someone giving your precious child medical care if they don't want to do it? I sure wouldn't. You can change the law but you can't always change peoples' hearts. It's public knowledge now. Her practice will either fizzle out or it won't. I'm just not sure a change in the law is the answer in this case. All it will accomplish is to make people keep quiet about their preferences. Again, I'd rather know. This is the health of a child here - not a cake.
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Post by billisonboard on Feb 26, 2015 15:59:10 GMT -5
I see this as a whole lot different than the flowers and cake cases ... A person can make a wonderful arrangement or cake, deliver it, and walk away. A pediatrician has a long term continuing relationship with the parents of the child their are taking care of. Very different.
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Post by weltschmerz on Feb 26, 2015 16:14:24 GMT -5
So, if a religious person came to me for a tetanus shot or removal of stiches, it's OK if I turn them away, saying "I'm not comfortable serving the superstitious. Go pray, and good luck with that?"
After all, it's not a long-term relationship.
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Post by zibazinski on Feb 26, 2015 16:18:07 GMT -5
You've had pharmacists refusing to give out the morning after pill and other stuff.
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Post by Green Eyed Lady on Feb 26, 2015 16:22:05 GMT -5
I wouldn't feel comfortable sending my child to a doctor that had such bile in her heart.
Agreed....except for the "bile" part. She has different beliefs. I find them distasteful, but that doesn't make her heart full of bile. I think she's misguided and I don't agree with her. That doesn't make her evil.
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Post by justme on Feb 26, 2015 16:24:25 GMT -5
I've always held that I don't want laws shutting people's mouths. I want to know if you're an asshat so I can take my business to someone that's not.
But I assume there less bigots out there than not.
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Post by billisonboard on Feb 26, 2015 16:24:29 GMT -5
So, if a religious person came to me for a tetanus shot or removal of stiches, it's OK if I turn them away, saying "I'm not comfortable serving the superstitious. Go pray, and good luck with that?"
After all, it's not a long-term relationship. I wonder how you would know that they are "a religious person". If they said they wished to pray with me prior to the procedure, I would say "You go ahead. Let me know when you are done and I will come back in and do the procedure." They could choose to not have me do it.
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Post by Peace Of Mind on Feb 26, 2015 16:35:40 GMT -5
I wouldn't feel comfortable sending my child to a doctor that had such bile in her heart.
At least she didn't go ahead and treat the kid and fill them with too much sugar or sodium to ruin them. I don't think she has bile in her heart, necessarily, and I do respect the honesty instead of giving the kid poor medical care. It's the quiet ones that would worry me with such feelings/beliefs. The one's that are honest about such feelings aren't the scary ones IMO. But I wouldn't want them as a doctor for anybody in my family.
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Post by Green Eyed Lady on Feb 26, 2015 16:41:13 GMT -5
I don't know her. You may be right. I don't know why she initially agreed to treat the child and changed her mind. I believe the article said she made her decision after praying about it. I wouldn't say she was heartless unless I knew her. Again, I'd say she is misguided and I don't understand why she has an issue treating the child. If she's against homosexuality, I guess I could see her stance on not treating the parents ("see" - not agree with). I don't have any idea what the child has to do with their choices, but I don't understand her entire way of thinking anyway.
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