The Walking Dead - SPOILERS

[lexxy703]

Except he wouldn't be alone in peace.  He'd be a walker.  Remember they found him screaming for help on a rock.  I'm sure he wishes they would have just moved along after they saved him.  Heck it's his fault the church got destroyed.  He really is his own worst enemy.

But yeah his own actions drove him round the bend.

[NomoreDramaQ1015]

Was he scouting for supplies or was he trying to commit suicide? I can't remember.

Heck it's his fault the church got destroyed

I KNOW! He's the one that had a spiritual crisis. If he'd stayed away from the school the walkers couldn't have followed him back.

I'm sure he somehow spins that into the groups fault though. If the group hadn't shown up the cannibals wouldn't have followed and in turn he wouldn't have had to go to the school.

It's probably a lot easier to blame them for everything than face reality.

Wonder if Maggie will clue Deanna into the minister's backstory or not.

[lexxy703]

He said he was looking for supplies & was screaming for help huddled on a rock.

It will be interesting to see what Maggie does.  I imagine she will discuss it with the group before she does anything.

[NomoreDramaQ1015]

I imagine she will discuss it with the group before she does anything

I can just imagine how well that news is going to go over.

Cause despite Rick's behavior at times I do think he wants Alexandria to work. Michonne was right they can't be out there forever, the group needs a home. They haven't had one since the prison. Alexandria is their best shot.

I can't blame Rick for how he acts though, look at what happened with the prison and then Terminus. I'd be wound tighter than a two cent watch as well.

If we go by the timeline of the show it's been less than a week, that's hardly enough time to acclimate to being back in 'normal' society.   On top of that they are still processing the deaths of Beth and Tyrese.

I think that's part of what is creating the conflict. The Alexandrians have never had to deal with reality so they cannot understand why Rick's group behaves the way they do.

I think Deanna has some understanding, but after the preacher's rant it may be sinking in more how big the divide really is.

[lexxy703]

Well the town did lose the 4 guys they sent out for supplies so they do know a little about loss.  Now they will have to process another loss.  It will drive a wedge at first but it might also give them something in common with the group.

I think D's husband is going to be pivotal in how this plays out & I think Noah's death will play strongly with him.

[NomoreDramaQ1015]

D's husband has mentioned he's the one that petitioned the idea of a wall.  He commented that keeping 14 people alive (one of which is an infant) in this world was remarkable.

So I think he has a good grasp of how things are outside the wall. For all we know it may not have been Deanna's idea to bring Rick's group in but his.

I think you're right and he's going to be the pivot point in the upcoming conflict between the groups.

Hope he doesn't die.  I can see him being the next Hershel figure.

Course look how that turned out.

[NomoreDramaQ1015]

And Rick went bat sh!t crazy again.

DH couldn't understand why Michonne knocked Rick out.

I pointed out the last time he went crazy and started waving guns at people it made Tyreese run to the Governor and cost the group the prison. The consequences of that have resulted in the deaths of a lot of group members.

I don't blame Michonne for knocking him out b/c now he's poised to cost them Alexandria.

I am dying to know who is carving the "W" into people's foreheads. I bet it's the group Daryl and Aaron are sneaking up on.

I am predicting that Deanna is going to want to banish Rick, but then Daryl and Aaron (or maybe just one of them) will come back with news about a new enemy. So Rick is going to suddenly become too valuable to banish. Enemy of my enemy is my friend and all that.

And I was right about Jessie's husband. Deanna knew the whole time but ignored it in exchange for the value of having a surgeon in the community.

[lexxy703]

I DVR & watch everything a day late.  I'll catch up tonight & be here tomorrow Drama.

[lexxy703]

Yeah Rick was waving that gun around like a crazy man & he threw Carl when he tried to break up the fight.  Michonne did the right thing.

Rick seems a little too into Jessi for just having met her.  I think it's because her cutting his hair was the first intimacy he has had since Lori died & it tripped a switch.

I am very curious about the cannibals that Daryl & Aaron are tracking.  And of course the "W".

[NomoreDramaQ1015]

The one chick on Talking Dead had a good theory. That Rick is feeling guilty over everything that happened both before and after the apocalypse with Lori.

He sees Jessi as his redemption.

She also fits into the idealized sense of normalcy that Alexandria creates. He sees her as filling the spot that Lori left behind and can give the kids a "normal" family, something that Carl lost and Judith has never had.

I also liked that they talked about how the group is in a position where they almost have to babysit the Alexandrians. They have no clue how to operate in the real world and are counting on those walls to keep them safe. Yet Rick has pointed out the numerous ways any marauding group could easily knock them down.

You'd think if Deanna is as savvy as she brags about being she would have recognized all this and immediately put the group to work properly training the Alexandrians in how to survive in the real world.   It's been proven they have no clue how to survive outside the walls.

Yet she seems to be hell bent on forcing the group to assimilate.  That goes against the reasons she claims she brought the group in.

[lexxy703]

I agree that she represents normalcy & all that Alexandria can be.  But there is also a purely sexual aspect there too.  Even before he knew her husband was beating her Rick didn't like him.  Because he stood in his way of having her.

[NomoreDramaQ1015]

DH and I were talking about that and DH responded "It's the apocalypse, screw propriety do you have any idea how long it's been since Rick got laid?"

I think it also highlights how far removed the group is from "normal" society. Before the apocalypse Rick going after Jessi would have been unthinkable, but now when you face being eaten by zombies/cannibals or being killed for everything you have? I can understand the sense of "if you want it, take it"

Same with Carol and the chocolate she helped herself too.

[lexxy703]

I agree they are so far removed from normal society.  Rick is going back to primal instincts & take what you want mentality.

And Carl has a new girlfriend.  I thought that part was cute.

[NomoreDramaQ1015]

I liked the comment Lauren Cohan made about the party scene "It's like a stray dog being brought in and is now being expected to know not to pee on the rug".

Deanna keeps trying to force them to conform to her idea of what society should be, but Rick is right it's all a farce that will come (and is coming) crashing down on their heads.

She'd be better off utilizing the skills they learned out in the real world rather than trying to force them to assimilate back into a façade of life before the apocalypse.

Aaron seems to know that, that's why he petitioned to have Daryl become a recruiter. He put Daryl in a position where his skills/knowledge are put to best use and he's the most comfortable.

Deanna doesn't seem to get that.

Rick is right when it comes to Pete. Killing him is probably too extreme for the Alexandrians but he's right that Deanna's approach of banishing people is a BAD idea. All it does is create a group of people who hold a grudge. There is nothing stopping them from finding more people and taking Alexandria.

I think we'll find there are spies in Alexandria and/or several people of this group Daryl is tracking are former Alexandrians.

[lexxy703]

I love Lauren Cohan's analogy!

I agree, Deanna wanted them for their specific skill set but she wants them to turn it on & off as needed.

I think banishing is bad too.  They should set up a jail inside the fences.  The banished will return & take the town.  Which I expect to see next season.

[NomoreDramaQ1015]

I told DH it's like troops coming back from war.   Everyone in the group understandably seems to be suffering from various levels of PTSD.  We saw in this episode even Michonne is having a hard time and she's the one who advocated for Alexandria.

You can't expect them to come home and act like they never left. That's exactly what Deanna wants from the group.

And this is what you get.  Which in turn feeds into what the minister told her.

I am hoping that she knows Nicholas is lying.  If she can't tell that then she isn't as good at reading people as she claims she is.

[lexxy703]

I couldn't tell what Deanna was thinking when she played Nicholas's tape.  She was obviously rewatching it so she must not 100% buy into his account.

Sasha definitely has PTSD.  The others do in varying degrees.

[ZaireinHD]

oh Rick! what are ya doing!
LOL

Rick should just say:
F-it! F-all you Muthers F'ers!
yall all gonna die up in here with your stupid azz blinders on! try'n to play safe haven!
it ain't gonna work biotches!
me and my kids are outta here! this shit is just FN stupid!
Peace!

[ZaireinHD]

oh that is too funny!
ok seriously

I am glad Rick didn't just outright kill the husband and chose to fight it out instead.
this town is not ready for that. obviously! after the fight I now see the group may not be able to handle all this calm! they do need to go back into the wild. it frustrates me to see them wasting so many bullets! but most of them need to go and very few can stay! Rick should go and if possible leave both his kids. SASHA hellz yea! goo! please go!

also his boy was about to become a man up in the tree with the chick!

I was like YEA Carl! KISS HER! you're right there dude! come onnnn KISS HER!

[NomoreDramaQ1015]

Hurry up and watch the finale people! Must.. .dissect. . episode.

[PK Bucko]

IKR

I need my Monday morning therapy. 

HOLY MACKEREL! What a season finale!

[lexxy703]

As soon as I get home tonight.

[steph08]

Watched it last night - I will discuss when everyone is ready!

My DH keeps repeating the ending - there was no hesitation there!

[lexxy703]

Ok lets get the party started.

I was totally shocked by the ending.  I didn't see that one coming.

Sasha & Father Gabriel both need to get their shyt together.  I'm getting over Gabriel.  I kind of want to see him gone.

[NomoreDramaQ1015]

IDK, I feel like he's getting his shit together at the end when him, Maggie and Sasha sit down to prayer. I was glad he FINALLY faced what he did and stopped going after the group. He hated them b/c he hated himself. 

I wanted to shake Morgan for leaving those thugs alive. We as the audience all know that it is an extremely bad idea to leave your enemies alive, they come back and find you. 

I LOVE the zombies in the food trailer trap, that was brilliant strategy on the part of the Wolves.

I was surprised but not really surprised at how the Alexandrians (except for Deanna) processed what Rick did.  I am sure it was a not very well kept secret that Pete was a wife beater and that Deanna was ignoring it in exchange for having a surgeon in the group.  It felt like the guys who greeted him on the street were thinking "about damn time"

And when she tried to advocate banning him, people spoke up.  She didn't seem to like that.  I think part of her eagerness to try to ban him was also b/c she recognizes that he's a threat to her power.

It's a shame it took her husband getting his throat slit to see that Rick is right.

[lexxy703]

Rick-tator mode.

Love it! 

At first I thought Morgan started honking the horn to attract walkers, but no.  We haven't seen the last of them I'm sure.  I only started watching in the last half of season 1.  The only thing I really remember about Morgan was him & Rick trying to keep in touch by walkie-talkie.  And I can't believe Daryl walked into that trap.  I just knew there were going to be walkers in the truck.  Daryl is too smart for that.

Yeah maybe Gabriel will come around now that he has finally owned up to what he did.

I really liked Reg & am sad he won't be around next season.  But it was one hell of an ending.

[NomoreDramaQ1015]

I thought Morgan was trying to attract the walkers as well.

I liked that they brought Morgan in right as Rick blew Pete's head off. That goes totally against Morgan's philosophy that all life is sacred. It makes perfect sense to Rick b/c the guy was off the handle and you can't leave bad/insane people to live in the apocalypse.

I think it's going to be interesting to watch the dictomy between Morgan and Rick.

I liked the scene where Morgan handed Daryl the map. It was a great scene, so much was said without either actor actually speaking.

Oh the Wolves will be back, Aaron left his pack behind. The guy that tried to kill Morgan was leafing thru the pictures, they now know about Alexandria.

[lexxy703]

I had to rewind the map scene to fully take it in.  By the time my brain clicked on Rick's name the scene was over.  Definitely a great scene.

That was one of the wolves leafing through the pics?!?  Thanks for clarifying that for me.  I was a little confused by that but just sort of let it go since so much else was going on.  And now it seems huge!  Wow thanks again for adding that element.  I even watched Talking Dead & they didn't mention it.

Yes Morgan & Rick are going to have a lot to work through.  Morgan looked aghast at what Rick had done.

[NomoreDramaQ1015]

Morgan looked aghast at what Rick had done.

It's not surprising. I am sure the three of them didn't plan on walking into what they did.

At least for Morgan that goes against everything he knows about Rick.   It would have been unthinkable to the Rick from the pilot episode to blow Pete's head off without a moment's hesitation.

After Shane, the governor and terminus? It's a no brainer.   Morgan doesn't know about any of that yet.

[lexxy703]

Imagine if Morgan had seen crazy man Rick from last week.  Even though blowing his head off in cold blood was shocking I think he appeared crazier last week.

But if our group went through everything they did it seems reasonable that Morgan would have been through similar circumstances, yet he is now very Zen.  And one hell of a bad ass with that stick.