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Post by burnsattornincan on Mar 7, 2011 15:40:30 GMT -5
Mr. Paul, looks like Ms. mmhhmm might be setting you up for an intervention. Do not agree to accompany her to any venue. /Dalton
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Post by AgeOfEnlightenmentSCP on Mar 7, 2011 15:44:11 GMT -5
Paul, I haven't been posting with you that long, so don't know much about your history here. I will agree, however, with what some have posted. You sound as though you might be losing your grip. You're divining the future, and embracing the past as though it were the present. You're quoting whatever you can find to paint the picture you want to see, and twisting any salient disagreement to meet your agenda while demonizing anyone with whom you don't agree. These aren't the behaviors of a stable mind, Paul. If you really wish to revel in doom and gloom, that's certainly your choice. I don't believe, however, you'll find many here who are willing to join you. I am NOT a Democrat. I regard this as a personal attack. It's libel! Defamation!
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Post by Angel! on Mar 7, 2011 16:00:47 GMT -5
I know your seriouse here, I think you need help, especially if in 2012 in your mind the unthinkable happens, how would you cope? I think his head will explode if Obama gets re-elected or democrats take back the house. LOL
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Post by deziloooooo on Mar 7, 2011 19:50:01 GMT -5
Paul, I haven't been posting with you that long, so don't know much about your history here. I will agree, however, with what some have posted. You sound as though you might be losing your grip. You're divining the future, and embracing the past as though it were the present. You're quoting whatever you can find to paint the picture you want to see, and twisting any salient disagreement to meet your agenda while demonizing anyone with whom you don't agree. These aren't the behaviors of a stable mind, Paul. If you really wish to revel in doom and gloom, that's certainly your choice. I don't believe, however, you'll find many here who are willing to join you. I am NOT a Democrat. I regard this as a personal attack. It's libel! Defamation! "I am NOT a Democrat", where was it mentioned you were , are...?
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Post by Loopdilou on Mar 7, 2011 20:13:17 GMT -5
LOL! Welcome to the club, Mr & Mrs Pat! Hop on board the gravy train to death camps
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Post by mmhmm on Mar 7, 2011 21:08:51 GMT -5
I want on the list too and add my husband. Patriotic and Mr Patriotic I believe in the right for women to decide about abortion so I'm really out there and hubby thinks the elderly and poorest of the poor deserve some help so we are total communist. Ooooh, you nasty critters! ;D
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Post by Value Buy on Mar 7, 2011 21:10:06 GMT -5
I know your seriouse here, I think you need help, especially if in 2012 in your mind the unthinkable happens, how would you cope? I think his head will explode if Obama gets re-elected or democrats take back the house. LOL Dezi, you will hear it here first. President Obama will not be re-elected. The Senate will go majority Republican. The House will remain in Republican control. And Sean Penn will threaten to move from America. Again. Please bookmark this thread, for reference.
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Post by swamp on Mar 7, 2011 21:34:29 GMT -5
VB, that just may happen. And then in 10 years, the public will get sick of the republicans and the dems will take over. Then, another 10 years later, the republicans will be back in power............
Same old, same old.......
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Post by deziloooooo on Mar 7, 2011 22:17:52 GMT -5
I think his head will explode if Obama gets re-elected or democrats take back the house. LOL Dezi, you will hear it here first. President Obama will not be re-elected. The Senate will go majority Republican. The House will remain in Republican control. And Sean Penn will threaten to move from America. Again. Please bookmark this thread, for reference. Could be and then ..seen a lot of stuff, the President is doing a good job, makes a good case, might/probably/will surprise you.. I can guarantee one thing, no matter what happens, I'll be able to accept it a lot easier , what ever happens then you will if your wrong, I'm right , that "you will here it here first" thats a definite. ;D
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Post by AgeOfEnlightenmentSCP on Mar 8, 2011 23:53:17 GMT -5
VB, that just may happen. And then in 10 years, the public will get sick of the republicans and the dems will take over. Then, another 10 years later, the republicans will be back in power............ Same old, same old....... I want to give Democrats some HOPE that CHANGE in their direction could actually occur. I will refer my Republican friends to the election in 1946. Also an off-year election. Prior to this last election, this was the largest Republican victory ever-- 13 Senate seats, at the time a 51 - 45 majority there; And they gained 55 seats in the House, giving them a 246–188 majority in that body, the largest majority they have held prior to this election. The popular vote for the House was 53% Republican and 44% Democratic, a bigger margin than Republicans had ever had before this last election. Two short years later, the economy had begun to recover and President Truman- whose approval rating fell to 32% in 1946- was elected to a full term famously defeating Dewey. Truman campaigned against the "obstructionist" Republican Congress, and Republicans lost the House and Senate again. They lost 9 Senate seats, and they were crushed in the House-- losing 75 seats. The fact is that Truman's argument had worked in spite of the fact it was the policy successes of Republicans that had caused the economic turnaround-- 1996 anyone? Truman was able to successfully falsely malign the Republicans as the "do-nothing 80th Congress". In truth, the 1947–1948 Republican Congress: - Eliminated wage and price controls,
- Sharply reduced the powers of labor unions by over-riding Truman’s veto the Taft-Hartley Act, and
- Made at least a slight dent in wartime high tax rates.
Republicans are frequently victims of their own success, and Truman took credit for the economic progress made as a result. In fact, Democrat majorities were not large enough to repeal these Republican common sense, conservative policies, and the fact that the policies endured, made possible the postwar boom in the US. So, if Republicans aren't prepared to DO what they were elected to do; and if they cannot manage to successfully TAKE THE CREDIT for their policy successes, then they can-- and very likely will-- suffer a similar defeat. The upside is actually the dragging out of the ObamaCare debate. Obama is miscalculating (again) the success of deliberately keeping it alive as a 2012 issue. ObamaCare will be a major motivation for throwing his arse out, not keeping him there. Same goes for the Senate. That's why I personally maintain (cautionary tales notwithstanding) that 2010 was just the appetizer-- but I will say that the whole thing is up for grabs if ObamaCare is completely oblitterated. Spending is another big issue-- if the budget isn't on its way to balanced in two years-- and I mean the deficit cut by 2/3rds to 3/4ths-- then Obama is toast. IF spending IS brought under control, AND if the President somehow takes the credit-- all bets are off.
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Post by AgeOfEnlightenmentSCP on Mar 8, 2011 23:59:01 GMT -5
A couple other things Democrats should consider that are not promising for 2012:
-- Gay marriage is a loser with the black vote. You can kill babies and keep their support, but they really don't like gay marriage. It is likely we will see an ironic confluence of events- the first black President getting less of the black vote than the last Democrat President. I'm not naive enough to think they'll vote Republican, but like it or not the left is going to have to deal with the fact that gay marriage is a loser with black voters.
-- Republicans have control of 29 states-- including critical swing states like Wisconsin, Ohio, and Florida. Obama loses just one of those states, and he will not get re-elected.
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Post by AgeOfEnlightenmentSCP on Mar 9, 2011 0:06:18 GMT -5
Back to the OT-- I'm very pleased to see that Peter King is starting up hearings on radical islam and in particular home-grown radical islamists and the threat it / they pose. It's interesting, especially in the context of this discussion, to listen to the shrill cries of "McCarthyism" from the left, and it's made extra spicy and fun by the outrageous revealations from NPR today.
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Post by AgeOfEnlightenmentSCP on Mar 9, 2011 0:07:24 GMT -5
I think the cry of "McCarthyism" is the new "McCarthyism" on the left. They attack anyone that disagrees with their point of view, which is almost always an anti-American point of view.
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Post by ed1066 on Mar 9, 2011 0:09:25 GMT -5
They tried pulling the race card on everyone who disagrees with Obama (sadly, some of them still do it), and no one is falling for that one anymore, so naturally they need a new tactic. This seems to be it...
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Post by Angel! on Mar 9, 2011 10:50:15 GMT -5
They tried pulling the race card on everyone who disagrees with Obama (sadly, some of them still do it), and no one is falling for that one anymore, so naturally they need a new tactic. This seems to be it... And the right keeps claiming the race card gets pulled far more than actually occurs. You claimed on another thread that I pull the race card all the time, yet still nothing to back up that claim despite me asking twice (3 times now). I would still like to see all these instances where I wrongly pull the race card.
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Post by privateinvestor on Mar 9, 2011 10:55:20 GMT -5
Re: The Time Has Come For A New Political Conversation Read more: notmsnmoney.proboards.com/index.cgi?board=politics&action=display&thread=4381&page=5#ixzz1G7OrTIQROk fine but who is willing to take the lead and have this new political conversation? President Obama, Attorney General Eric Holder, Minority Leader in the House of Representatives, Ms Pelosi or the Senate Majority Leader Harry Reid..... I don't think so....so who is willing to step up to the plate and get this conversation going??
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Post by Deleted on Mar 9, 2011 10:55:39 GMT -5
But WHO do you think is going to beat Obama? That's what i want to know... i really don't see any nationally viable Republican candidate at the moment? ....
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Post by privateinvestor on Mar 9, 2011 11:01:34 GMT -5
But WHO do you think is going to beat Obama? That's what i want to know... i really don't see any nationally viable Republican candidate at the moment? .... You are probably correct on that score, sadly there are none among the Republicans who in any poll showing beating an incumbent but there is a possibility that in two years things will change and Obama could decide not to run again or the dems may challenge him in the Democratic Presidential Primaries.....even the dems are not too enamored with his lack of leadership lately with the crisis in Libya, Gitmo Bay, Afghanistan, and the Middle East...and who can blame them??
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Post by AgeOfEnlightenmentSCP on Mar 9, 2011 11:26:19 GMT -5
But WHO do you think is going to beat Obama? That's what i want to know... i really don't see any nationally viable Republican candidate at the moment? .... The 2012 election is going to be a referrendum on Obama. Republicans could pick someone out of the phonebook at this point, and they'd beat the snot out of Obama. Things can change-- they very often do. I'm not discounting an Obama re-election, but the same goes for writing off the weak Republican field. Did anyone think Obama would beat Hillary for the '08 Democrat nomination in 2006? Hell, in 2006-- did anyone even know who Obama was?
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Post by privateinvestor on Mar 9, 2011 11:32:05 GMT -5
Did anyone think Obama would beat Hillary for the '08 Democrat nomination in 2006? Hell, in 2006-- did anyone even know who Obama was?[/quote][/b][/i]
In early 2008 Senator John Edwards was ahead in all the democratic primary polls... I think some of that had to do with his wife dying of cancer though....but after the debates he began to fade and Obama's star began to shine over Hillary's ...
Even democratic campaign managers (Axelrod, Carville and etc) will admit that if we still have unemployment hovering near 8 - 9 % it will be a tough road to hoe for Obama...which says another dem could challenge him...Hillary?? or somebody else??
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Post by AgeOfEnlightenmentSCP on Mar 9, 2011 11:36:38 GMT -5
Calling the enemy islamic militants because, well, they're islamic militants is always called "racist" by Democrats. Just like a sincere desire to insure the integrity of our elections-- racist. School choice-- racist. Tax cust-- racist. Cutting government spending-- racist. It gets old after awhile, doesn't it?
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Post by AgeOfEnlightenmentSCP on Mar 9, 2011 11:49:27 GMT -5
Obama's star never rose over Hillary. Obama failed to defeat Hillary in the Primary. Obama got the nomination on a technicality-- Democratic Party rules that threw out the Michigan and Florida primaries. Obama was defeated in the actual vote. And there are plenty of Democrats who are never going to forget it, who think a Clinton primary challenge is more than warranted, and who stand a pretty good chance of a historic defeat of a sitting president in a primary challenge. www.usnews.com/opinion/blogs/peter-roff/2011/01/21/does-obama-fear-a-hillary-clinton-primary-challenge
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Post by privateinvestor on Mar 9, 2011 11:55:31 GMT -5
I would vote for Hillary rather than Obama if she decides to run against him or he drops out of the Democratic Primaries in 2012... I think I would go so far as to say that I would campaign for Hillary because I have been very impressed with her for the past two years as our Secretary of State and very unimpressed with Obama ....it is a Leadership thing with me and not his race or his inexperience as our President....just don't think he has the gravitas or the knowledge to inspire confidence in the military, business community or average citizens of this country......just one man's opinion that I have stated before on several occasions..
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Post by Deleted on Mar 9, 2011 12:49:42 GMT -5
paul-- I only see one "club" to join here, and it does not suit me. Although I have some liberal ideals I won't join this club. sign me up for whatever you, ed, and a few others are in.
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Post by Angel! on Mar 9, 2011 12:51:08 GMT -5
Calling the enemy islamic militants because, well, they're islamic militants is always called "racist" by Democrats. Just like a sincere desire to insure the integrity of our elections-- racist. School choice-- racist. Tax cust-- racist. Cutting government spending-- racist. It gets old after awhile, doesn't it? I am not disagreeing that the race card is overplayed by some people. But, I am finding that some conservatives are accusing liberals of playing the race card way more often than is actually occurring. I was told that I play the race card so often that no one takes me seriously, but when I ask for specifics I get no answer. And, sometimes it really is racism & I think we should be allowed to call that out when it occurs. Unfortunately it is becoming the cry "wolf" & conservatives are choosing to overlook every instance, even though some are valid.
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Post by burnsattornincan on Mar 9, 2011 12:54:36 GMT -5
I would vote for Hillary rather than Obama
I truly pity you my friend, Mr. Private Investor.
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Post by mmhmm on Mar 9, 2011 12:59:55 GMT -5
Calling the enemy islamic militants because, well, they're islamic militants is always called "racist" by Democrats. Just like a sincere desire to insure the integrity of our elections-- racist. School choice-- racist. Tax cust-- racist. Cutting government spending-- racist. It gets old after awhile, doesn't it? I don't see it that way. The key word is "militant". I don't care whether it's an Islamic militant, a black militant, a Christian militant, or an environmental militant. If it's a militant, and a terrorist, I'm gonna object. I think that's the way most feel. It has absolutely nothing to do with race, creed, national origin, or any other qualifier. It's about militance and terrorism, purely and simply.
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Post by deziloooooo on Mar 9, 2011 13:00:22 GMT -5
But WHO do you think is going to beat Obama? That's what i want to know... i really don't see any nationally viable Republican candidate at the moment? .... The 2012 election is going to be a referrendum on Obama. Republicans could pick someone out of the phonebook at this point, and they'd beat the snot out of Obama. Things can change-- they very often do. I'm not discounting an Obama re-election, but the same goes for writing off the weak Republican field. Did anyone think Obama would beat Hillary for the '08 Democrat nomination in 2006? Hell, in 2006-- did anyone even know who Obama was? The first post of yours that is rationale , makes sense, isn't just the same virtril harshnessI expect from you, your correct here on a few, can't be right on all, but give you a pass on the , "Republicans could pick someone out of the phonebook at this point, and they'd beat the snot out of Obama." Incorrect "Things can change-- they very often do. I'm not discounting an Obama re-election, but the same goes for writing off the weak Republican field. Correct "Did anyone think Obama would beat Hillary for the '08 Democrat nomination in 2006?' Not at the beggining but by his second third speech/campaign, I did.
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Post by Shirina on Mar 9, 2011 14:14:20 GMT -5
Oh yeah, sign me up, as well. Groups Hitler hated:- Communists/Socialists
- Intellectuals/Academics
- Jews
- Gays
- Russians
- Political Opponents
- The mentally and emotionally disabled
Groups US Conservatives Hate:- Communists/Socialists (a given)
- Intellectuals/Academics (teachers!)
- Muslims (just a different religion to hate)
- Gays (no duh!)
- Russians (those damned Russkies!)
- Political Opponents (let's "destroy" the Democratic party!)
- The physically and mentally disabled (welfare is unconstitutional!)
Is it any coincidence that these two lists are almost identical? In fact, they are identical when one considers that hating Jews or hating Muslims really isn't any different. Hitler also hated the Romani (gypsies) which could be comparable to the Mexican illegal immigrants, but I decided to leave that off the list. Perhaps I shouldn't have. It should also be pointed out that only during the McCarthy era has America ever kept political prisoners (suspected communists), a practice that, as a nation, we claim to abhor. In addition, it is rather strange that conservatives will never be happy unless conservative Republicans hold all the power in all three branches of government - but more than that, they won't be happy until it stays that way. The irony here is that Communism has only one legal political party. Some conservatives make a big show of patriotism, freedom, democracy, and other "feel good" buzzwords, but they are the ones with the greatest proclivity for fascism and totalitarianism. They're even going to legislate your morality for you since they expect and demand that you believe as they do. And if you don't, they'll think nothing of starting witch hunts, trials and tribunals, and political investigations into your personal life. Isn't this why the Republican House wants to make having a miscarriage a criminal act unless the mother can prove it was a miscarriage? Or redefining rape so that a kid who was drugged at a party, raped, and then impregnated cannot get an abortion because the unwanted sex wasn't violent? So yes indeed, sign me up for that list, and my signature will be as prominent and florid as John Hancock's. Speaking of our Founding Documents, the incredible cherry-picking of the COTUS is really quite amazing. The conservatives on this board will dutifully quote the COTUS when it suits their agenda but will turn around and start threads about wholly unconstitutional proposals like only allowing landholders to vote or to give rich individuals more votes than the poor. Tsk, tsk, tsk.
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Post by Deleted on Mar 9, 2011 14:53:43 GMT -5
My old friend Shirina considers that her education and fancy words puts her above others. Sweet gal, I have liked her for years...... but she grows more and more liberal educated left wing as time goes on.I would venture a guess she has never looked at what conservatives want or think. God bless the young-- if only we could find some way to expose them to something different. A whole new liberation movement-- and the kids are missing it. sad...............
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