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Post by burnsattornincan on Mar 9, 2011 14:55:24 GMT -5
Is it any coincidence that these two lists are almost identical? In fact, they are identical when one considers that hating Jews or hating Muslims really isn't any different.
They are identical in your mind. I just don't have the time right now to even begin picking apart this garbage post. Just to be brief, you are a fine one to bring up fascism and totalitarianism. You do not have a leg to stand on since you condone the theft of other people's money to satisfy your conscience. Conservatives want to keep the money they worked for and give to their own causes as they see fit, not to some liberal pet project where the administers (liberals) skim from the top.
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Post by Shirina on Mar 9, 2011 15:26:20 GMT -5
Should I start talking in "Stupidese" then? Perhaps "text-speak" would be easier and less threatening to you?
I've always been who I am, Krickitt. Perhaps you're the one moving so far to the right that everyone else appears to be moving to the left. It's the same sensation one gets when sitting in a parked car and the car next to you begins to move.
The conservatives have stated very succinctly what they want or think. I don't have to invent anything.
This sounds like something the Borg would say.
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Post by Shirina on Mar 9, 2011 15:34:12 GMT -5
The list is right there in black and white. Denial of facts is not a cogent argument.
Because you can't. If you could've, you would've. But you didn't. Instead, it's the lame excuse of not having the time to pick it apart. The funny thing is - even in the future when you do have the time, you won't be back here to "pick it apart."
LOL! Thanks for proving my point. The COTUS grants the government the right to collect taxes. That's not fascist, unless the COTUS condones fascism.
Didn't I just say that conservatives love cherry-picking the COTUS?
Well, what if I don't want my taxes paying for illegal wars of aggression, weapons to Israel, or Palin's new wardrobe? Besides, charity is inefficient on the scale we're talking about. Some causes will be over-funded while others barely receive a penny even though both may be important. If left to the whimsy of charitable giving, our streets would look medieval with the number of beggars prowling about, and most would be there because they're disabled, not because they're lazy.
How would you feel if, say, we demanded that the military be funded only through the kind-hearted donations of the civilian population? Do you think you can afford to keep a Nimitz-class carrier in operation for a few weeks?
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Post by Deleted on Mar 9, 2011 15:48:51 GMT -5
I just hate to see you so stifled in thought, shirina, but, alas, if you are not even aware of it you do not even realize how stifled you are, do you, my friend? Peace and love to you. I hope like hell your mission fails. What you guys want is unAmerican, even though you do not seem to know that.
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Post by burnsattornincan on Mar 9, 2011 15:51:58 GMT -5
How would you feel if, say, we demanded that the military be funded only through the kind-hearted donations of the civilian population?
My bad, I just couldn't resist coming back though I'm busy as hell. You are so utterly clueless as to what the Constitution declares what should be funded, it is sad that a Canadian has to correct you. There is no provision for providing for people who refuse to work. Have another illegitimate kid, get more free money. Disabled? They are in the small minority unless you want to count all the fake mental illness cases. Did I say anything about not funding the military? Did I say every single war except WWI and WWII were not Constitutional (they weren't)? The government has the right to tax individuals (not corporations by the way) for the purposes of expenditures outlined in the Constitution. They have gone way out of those boundaries and are in violation of the Constitution, clearly.
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Post by Shirina on Mar 9, 2011 15:58:25 GMT -5
Krickitt, you need to understand that just because I do not share your political opinions does not mean I am somehow "stifled" in thought. I've heard this same argument for years on both sides, an argument that asserts that those who disagree are unenlightened, ignorant, and, by golly, if only they could see the TRUTH, all would be right in the world.
Except that's not how it is.
The same could be said about your "mission.'
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Post by ed1066 on Mar 9, 2011 16:22:45 GMT -5
You just posted a 500 word screed against "conservatives", and then you say this?? I think "tragic irony" is too weak a phrase...
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Post by Shirina on Mar 9, 2011 16:49:50 GMT -5
Since you chose to post an ad hominem instead of challenging the argument itself, I'll assume there's no rebuttal forthcoming.
If you look real closely, perhaps pressing your nose against your computer monitor, you will see that I accused both sides of doing this, not just conservatives.
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Post by Savoir Faire-Demogague in NJ on Mar 9, 2011 16:51:28 GMT -5
That is because there is no argument.... there is no point... just babble.
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Post by ed1066 on Mar 9, 2011 17:29:40 GMT -5
Sorry, where in your screed below did you mention "both sides"? All I see is a lot of generalizations about "conservatives".
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Post by Tennesseer on Mar 9, 2011 17:37:14 GMT -5
My old friend Shirina considers that her education and fancy words puts her above others. Sweet gal, I have liked her for years...... but she grows more and more liberal educated left wing as time goes on.I would venture a guess she has never looked at what conservatives want or think. God bless the young-- if only we could find some way to expose them to something different. A whole new liberation movement-- and the kids are missing it. sad............... Holy Crap!
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Post by deziloooooo on Mar 9, 2011 17:38:59 GMT -5
My old friend Shirina considers that her education and fancy words puts her above others. Sweet gal, I have liked her for years...... but she grows more and more liberal educated left wing as time goes on.I would venture a guess she has never looked at what conservatives want or think. God bless the young-- if only we could find some way to expose them to something different. A whole new liberation movement-- and the kids are missing it. sad............... You have something against "fancy words Krickett? First NPR, then Obama care and finally "fancy words" , Where would we be with out" fancy words" How about instead of "Fancy words " a well constructed post, well thought out, easy to read, brings out some good points and open for discussion, even rebuttal. I would suggest try taking that tact..instead of the dissing of "fancy words "...Personally, I always had a fondness for "fancy words " myself. Then there is the school who really aren't into "fancy words" and are more comfortable with, oh say .."Holy Crap! "..Simple, direct, to the point, gets the message and point across..not bad, really, not bad at all. ;D
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Post by deziloooooo on Mar 9, 2011 17:46:31 GMT -5
You just posted a 500 word screed against "conservatives", and then you say this?? I think "tragic irony" is too weak a phrase... Oh ed.....
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Post by Value Buy on Mar 10, 2011 0:38:13 GMT -5
My old friend Shirina considers that her education and fancy words puts her above others. Sweet gal, I have liked her for years...... but she grows more and more liberal educated left wing as time goes on.I would venture a guess she has never looked at what conservatives want or think. God bless the young-- if only we could find some way to expose them to something different. A whole new liberation movement-- and the kids are missing it. sad............... You have something against "fancy words Krickett? First NPR, then Obama care and finally "fancy words" , Where would we be with out" fancy words" How about instead of "Fancy words " a well constructed post, well thought out, easy to read, brings out some good points and open for discussion, even rebuttal. I would suggest try taking that tact..instead of the dissing of "fancy words "...Personally, I always had a fondness for "fancy words " myself. Then there is the school who really aren't into "fancy words" and are more comfortable with, oh say .."Holy Crap! "..Simple, direct, to the point, gets the message and point across..not bad, really, not bad at all. ;D Henry, where the heck are you? Henry? Henry? I guess he is not available. How about instead of "Fancy words " a well constructed post, well thought out, easy to read, brings out some good points and open for discussion, even rebuttal. I would suggest try taking that tact..instead of the dissing of "fancy words "...Personally, I always had a fondness for "fancy words " myself. Dezi, Dezi, Dezi,,,,,, Do you know of what you speak? You forgot correct speaking and punctuation
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Post by deziloooooo on Mar 10, 2011 0:51:38 GMT -5
You have something against "fancy words Krickett? First NPR, then Obama care and finally "fancy words" , Where would we be with out" fancy words" How about instead of "Fancy words " a well constructed post, well thought out, easy to read, brings out some good points and open for discussion, even rebuttal. I would suggest try taking that tact..instead of the dissing of "fancy words "...Personally, I always had a fondness for "fancy words " myself. Then there is the school who really aren't into "fancy words" and are more comfortable with, oh say .."Holy Crap! "..Simple, direct, to the point, gets the message and point across..not bad, really, not bad at all. ;D Henry, where the heck are you? Henry? Henry? I guess he is not available. How about instead of "Fancy words " a well constructed post, well thought out, easy to read, brings out some good points and open for discussion, even rebuttal. I would suggest try taking that tact..instead of the dissing of "fancy words "...Personally, I always had a fondness for "fancy words " myself. Dezi, Dezi, Dezi,,,,,, Do you know of what you speak? You forgot correct speaking and punctuation {sigh } Grammar Nazis , picky, picky
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Post by Value Buy on Mar 10, 2011 0:58:48 GMT -5
Grammar Nazi?
Dezi, it just is strange to see you give advice that you fail to follow. well contructed post well though out easy to read Throw in spelling and punctuation, which lead everyone to go as far as to lose all idea of what you are saying. Now lets add "tact" to the list with the Grammar Nazi accusation.
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Post by deziloooooo on Mar 10, 2011 1:23:51 GMT -5
Grammar Nazi? Dezi, it just is strange to see you give advice that you fail to follow. well constructed post well though out easy to read Throw in spelling and punctuation, which lead everyone to go as far as to lose all idea of what you are saying. Now lets add "tact" to the list with the Grammar Nazi accusation. As far as spelling I use spell Check 100% of the time unless in a rare case I might forget. I type free and easy, thus ... you get those from time to time, however. I proof after posting if not before. I write long , true , so I make sure I try to make it easier to read, paragraphs, and such so I think over all, I do OK. Sorry you don't feel that way. { How was that , Ok?}
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Post by Loopdilou on Mar 10, 2011 2:31:27 GMT -5
Dezi is not the best with sentence construction, but I've never had difficulty understanding him. He can respect others abilities to do things without being capable of those things himself. It'd be like a music lover with no sense of rythym appreciating ?Marsallis and wondering why a guy playing chopsticks thinks he's just as good, if not better, than Marsallis. Keep on keeping on, Dez.
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Post by mmhmm on Mar 10, 2011 7:35:05 GMT -5
I have no problem grasping Desi's meaning from his posts. That is, is it not, what it's all about? We're communicating. Every I doesn't have to be dotted, nor T crossed, for us to understand what another is trying to get across. While you might not believe the same things another poster believes, there's no need to resort to ripping apart someone else's grammar, punctuation, spelling, or sentence structure. That's not where the message is.
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Post by mmhmm on Mar 10, 2011 7:40:19 GMT -5
My old friend Shirina considers that her education and fancy words puts her above others. Sweet gal, I have liked her for years...... but she grows more and more liberal educated left wing as time goes on.I would venture a guess she has never looked at what conservatives want or think. God bless the young-- if only we could find some way to expose them to something different. A whole new liberation movement-- and the kids are missing it. sad............... The one who's putting herself above another in the above post is ... you, krickitt. You don't have a clue how Shirina grows; nor, do you have any idea to what she's been exposed, other than that she's been exposed to higher education (which you have not), and is able to express herself well. I think she'll do just fine without your "well-wishes", and I don't think she's going to miss much along the way.
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Post by privateinvestor on Mar 10, 2011 8:41:10 GMT -5
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Post by Shirina on Mar 10, 2011 8:52:53 GMT -5
Oh, I'm perfectly aware of what the COTUS says, but see, many conservatives are COTUS literalists. If it doesn't specifically say X, then the government can't do X. There are two endemic problems with this argument.
First, the COTUS is 260+ years old, which means we get the unenviable task of trying to guess what the Founders would've said if they had known that, two centuries later, there would be a monolithic health care industry, an interstate highway system, public schools, a national electric grid, a 700 billion dollar/year military-industrial complex, and a hundred other things. Would they have written or said what they had if they had known these things? Well, that's a very good question, isn't it, but for those who allow themselves to be hamstrung by a document that is hardly "timeless," nothing will be accomplished.
The second problem is the catch-all phrase "promote the general welfare" included in the Constitution. This ambiguous statement pretty much gives the government a massive amount of leeway to spend taxes on whatever they wish to spend them on as long as they can show it "promotes the general welfare" of the United States and its citizens.
Let me guess: Anyone and everyone on any kind of government assistance is refusing to work. Isn't that how you justify your vision of Social Darwinism?
The irony here is the difficulty in getting disability. More times than not, one has to fight for it. The problem is that someone who legitimately can't work will have trouble conjuring up the money, energy, and resources required to wage a legal battle against the government to prove that they need it.
You can call me names, insult me, belittle me, and even troll me, but the one thing that truly does irritate me on message boards is a person who is a) either being deliberately obtuse or b) simply cannot or is incapable of "getting" what I'm trying to say.
The point I was getting at (here we go, having to re-explain it), is that we all pay taxes to fund things we do not approve of. Tough luck. Get over it. Never in our history did the American people have the micromanaging powers to decide where their specific tax contribution went. If you want every decision made by the federal government to be a referendum, that's great ... petition your congressman.
Why can't they tax corporations? Is it because taxing corporations wasn't specifically allowed in the COTUS? Well, here we go again with having to deal with a 260+ year-old document written before there was such a thing as a corporation as we know them today. What a wonderful tax evasion technique - just convince the courts to legally recognize your business as something not listed in the COTUS and viola! No more taxes.
Which includes "promoting the general welfare ..."
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Post by Shirina on Mar 10, 2011 8:58:26 GMT -5
More ad hominem attacks which means yet one more person who has nothing of substance to contribute to this discussion.
I don't often agree with what Mr. Burns says, but at least he had something noteworthy to say. Unlike some people around here.
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Post by floridayankee on Mar 10, 2011 9:00:17 GMT -5
Is it any coincidence that these two lists are almost identical? Nope...no coincidence at all. You can make up lists all day long to parallel pretty much anything.
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Post by Shirina on Mar 10, 2011 9:03:46 GMT -5
*sigh*
Quoting myself:
I put it in a different color, bolded it, italicized it, and if it was possible, I'd even have a big bouncing neon arrow pointing to it. Surely you can see now where you were in error.
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Post by Shirina on Mar 10, 2011 9:05:30 GMT -5
Can you show me where I am factually incorrect? I've had at least three people try to criticize my list, but all they've offered thus far are one-line, "Nuh uh!" posts.
If I am wrong, show me where. Otherwise: All fluff and no substance.
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Post by swamp on Mar 10, 2011 9:20:30 GMT -5
Sorry, where in your screed below did you mention "both sides"? All I see is a lot of generalizations about "conservatives". Kinda like your daily diatribes against "libs?"
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Post by floridayankee on Mar 10, 2011 9:20:45 GMT -5
Can you show me where I am factually incorrect? Yes...I'm conservative and beyond the communist line, your list is pure fantasy. Again, nice try. You're making the claim paralleling Hitler and US conservatives so it's up to you to prove your list is factually correct, not the other way around. That is the perfect description of your list...Alinsky would be proud.
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Post by Shirina on Mar 10, 2011 9:53:45 GMT -5
Thank you for yet another one-line "nuh uh!" response. I really don't even have to make an argument. I just have to sit back and watch people like you do it for me. As for it being fantasy, why don't you explain to me how? Oh no, I'm not playing that game. I posted something, now it's up to you to show me where I'm wrong. That's how message board debates work. The list speaks for itself, and if you could offer up something other than "nuh uh," you would have done so by now. Instead, you're barraging me with fluff and feathers. I gave you the list, so why not tell me what is wrong with it? I'm not going to write a dozen posts just so you can continue saying "nuh uh!" and then demand that I write yet another post. LOL! So you've graduated from "nuh uh!" to "I know you are but what am I." Congratulations. I see you still have nothing of substance to contribute. I will continue to wait for someone to actually show where I am factually incorrect. *tick tock*
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Post by privateinvestor on Mar 10, 2011 9:58:01 GMT -5
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