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Post by EVT1 on Feb 11, 2015 0:09:11 GMT -5
Good for NBC- now when is Fox going to suspend the cadre of liars it employs
They have a loophole- the liars that work there are not reporters WMD Bengazi Beach Blanket Bingo
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Post by djAdvocate on Feb 11, 2015 1:01:54 GMT -5
Isn't Pres. Obama old enough that he'd have been drafted into the Vietnam war? What did he do, out of curiosity? ETA: Apparently he was too young to serve. He's only 54! Poor man looks like he's 70. i beg your pardon!
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Post by Deleted on Feb 11, 2015 3:43:36 GMT -5
Tenn,
"No more Vietnams"
Agreed.
Sadly, Iraq, we broke it, now we own it too. Afghanistan, we added to the breakage, so maybe we are renting that one. Syria, we broke it, and now we own that one too.
Enough
But, what is the correct answer to make it right? You forgot Libya
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Post by Virgil Showlion on Feb 11, 2015 7:09:52 GMT -5
Here's some research and I'll just share a bit. This is about cops and more immediate recall, but shows traumatic events are often recalled not as well as some people might think.
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Another research review found that "traumatic situations will inevitably result in memory impairment." This would be relevant if Mr. Williams had actually been in a traumatic situation. I doubt the research extends as far as police officers not in a shootout with bank robbers misremembering having been in a shootout with bank robbers. NBC evidently took the issue serious. Gave him a six month suspension without pay. What possible good will that do? The lie is either damaging enough to undermine his credibility or it isn't. If it isn't, keep him on, condemn his lapse in judgment, and let the man do his job. If it is, fire him and find somebody credible to replace him. Suspending him for six months is folly. It amounts to admitting his credibility is shot, punishing him for something NBC has no business punishing him for, and then letting him back on the air in six months despite the fact that he's still the anchor whose credibility is shot.
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Post by Value Buy on Feb 11, 2015 9:10:22 GMT -5
Here's some research and I'll just share a bit. This is about cops and more immediate recall, but shows traumatic events are often recalled not as well as some people might think.
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Another research review found that "traumatic situations will inevitably result in memory impairment." This would be relevant if Mr. Williams had actually been in a traumatic situation. I doubt the research extends as far as police officers not in a shootout with bank robbers misremembering having been in a shootout with bank robbers. NBC evidently took the issue serious. Gave him a six month suspension without pay. What possible good will that do? The lie is either damaging enough to undermine his credibility or it isn't. If it isn't, keep him on, condemn his lapse in judgment, and let the man do his job. If it is, fire him and find somebody credible to replace him. Suspending him for six months is folly. It amounts to admitting his credibility is shot, punishing him for something NBC has no business punishing him for, and then letting him back on the air in six months despite the fact that he's still the anchor whose credibility is shot. Regarding Optimist4Balance's article, it would be interesting to see a study of inner city residents after a shooting and see how the descriptions change from person to person who witnessed the shootings, and yet the public at large believes the most negative statements automatically. If police have the misperception, in their recognition ability, I have to say it occurrs even more so in the eyes of untrained civilians.
In regards to my statement about the six months, I agree with you. Six months in essence is a firing. I sincerely doubt he will be back. I see a press release about three months from now that the news organization and he have decided to part ways. A one or two month suspension would have accomplished the results they are supposedly looking for.
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Post by Value Buy on Feb 11, 2015 9:13:51 GMT -5
Tenn,
"No more Vietnams"
Agreed.
Sadly, Iraq, we broke it, now we own it too. Afghanistan, we added to the breakage, so maybe we are renting that one. Syria, we broke it, and now we own that one too.
Enough
But, what is the correct answer to make it right? You forgot Libya Probably, but the jury is still out on that one, imo. Maybe we should also include Egypt and the President's backing of the Arab Spring. I also did not want to look like I was piling on President Obama, with all the pro Obama people who post here. I assume I was pressing my luck with them by listing Syria
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Post by Artemis Windsong on Feb 11, 2015 9:22:40 GMT -5
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Post by Value Buy on Feb 11, 2015 9:58:31 GMT -5
part of the column... Let me see if I understand this: Chris Kyle was not a hero, but Brian Williams was? What do we make of Williams' attempt to snatch some vicarious honor?
The response to "American Sniper" should not surprise us. Bill Maher called Chris Kyle a "psychopath patriot." It's more than likely that Maher thinks all patriots are a bit unhinged. Lindy West, writing in The Guardian, called Kyle a "hate-filled killer," and The Atlantic's Megan Garber wondered whether "heroism is still heroism when you're motivated by hatred."
Spawned in the Vietnam era, the modern left cut its teeth defaming America. That included a campaign of vilification and slander against Americans who served in Vietnam. The chief spokesman for Vietnam Veterans Against the War was none other than Secretary of State John F. Kerry. In testimony before Congress, young Kerry claimed that American forces in Vietnam had committed atrocities "in a fashion reminiscent of Genghis Khan." He claimed that they "randomly shot at civilians ... raped, cut off ears, cut off heads, taped wires from portable telephones to human genitals and turned up the power..." and so forth.
When the Naval Criminal Investigative Service looked into these allegations, it found that many of the "vets" whose testimony Kerry was vouching for had not even been in Vietnam. Some had never served in the military at all.
This story, among others, is told in "Stolen Valor: How the Vietnam Generation Was Robbed of Its Heroes and Its History," by B.G. Burkett and Glenna Whitley. It recounts how the left-leaning press relied on impostors and liars to create the myth of the "damaged" Vietnam veteran. Leftist moviemakers then spun their preferred history, portraying the war not as a mistake, but as a protracted American crime.
In time, the leftist interpretation of Vietnam became the conventional wisdom -- repeated in dozens of documentaries, enshrined in songs and books, and taught to the young through textbooks. When Ronald Reagan argued defiantly in 1980 that "ours was, in truth, a noble cause," it was treated by the press as a gaffe. As Steven Hayward wrote in "The Age of Reagan," The Washington Post's TV critic observed that NBC's tone "cast doubt on (Reagan's) fitness as a leader, if not, by implication, on his sanity."
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Post by Opti on Feb 11, 2015 14:30:41 GMT -5
This would be relevant if Mr. Williams had actually been in a traumatic situation. I doubt the research extends as far as police officers not in a shootout with bank robbers misremembering having been in a shootout with bank robbers. What possible good will that do? The lie is either damaging enough to undermine his credibility or it isn't. If it isn't, keep him on, condemn his lapse in judgment, and let the man do his job. If it is, fire him and find somebody credible to replace him. Suspending him for six months is folly. It amounts to admitting his credibility is shot, punishing him for something NBC has no business punishing him for, and then letting him back on the air in six months despite the fact that he's still the anchor whose credibility is shot. Regarding Optimist4Balance's article, it would be interesting to see a study of inner city residents after a shooting and see how the descriptions change from person to person who witnessed the shootings, and yet the public at large believes the most negative statements automatically. If police have the misperception, in their recognition ability, I have to say it occurrs even more so in the eyes of untrained civilians.
In regards to my statement about the six months, I agree with you. Six months in essence is a firing. I sincerely doubt he will be back. I see a press release about three months from now that the news organization and he have decided to part ways. A one or two month suspension would have accomplished the results they are supposedly looking for.
I agree VB, untrained observers should do much worse perception-wise overall than those trained in situations such as the police or the military.
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