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Post by djAdvocate on Feb 3, 2015 12:52:06 GMT -5
I believe a person's right to publicly boycott a restaurant and to orally and verbally disparage the restaurant on the Internet and other forms of media for the restaurant's political position is the same free speech right as the franchise owner's right to list and demand payment on the restaurant tab for the 'FL Surcharge Afford Care'. A poster seems to think "Boycotting out of existence seem like some pretty extreme measures". Yet boycotting is free speech. Either you support free speech without any conditions attached or you do not support free speech. I also believe your free speech ends at the tip of my nose. Why should I have to pay a mandatory surcharge for your right to free speech? I should be free to exercise my free speech too by deducting the surcharge from my restaurant tab and paying only the remainder. Free speech only for some, eh? No. I think the way the guy is expressing his opinion on the ACA is a little out there, but he is not doing it in a hateful manner, he is not singling anyone out, this is just how he decides to express his opinion on the law every one is getting the same thing on their bill. Maybe he will lose a few customers that don't like it, he's willing to take the risk. Opposed to boycott him out of business. Attempt to take away his livelihood, his means of supporting his family if he has one. The ability of his employees to support themselves and their families. Yes, I think that's way out there, extreme, and twisted.
as I said before: bad ideas deserve a sound beating. if you disagree, I couldn't care less.
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Post by Deleted on Feb 3, 2015 12:53:54 GMT -5
No. I think the way the guy is expressing his opinion on the ACA is a little out there, but he is not doing it in a hateful manner, he is not singling anyone out, this is just how he decides to express his opinion on the law every one is getting the same thing on their bill. Maybe he will lose a few customers that don't like it, he's willing to take the risk. Opposed to boycott him out of business. Attempt to take away his livelihood, his means of supporting his family if he has one. The ability of his employees to support themselves and their families. Yes, I think that's way out there, extreme, and twisted.
as I said before: bad ideas deserve a sound beating. if you disagree, I couldn't care less. Oh for Pete's sake. Get a grip.
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Post by djAdvocate on Feb 3, 2015 12:55:45 GMT -5
as I said before: bad ideas deserve a sound beating. if you disagree, I couldn't care less. Oh for Pete's sake. Get a grip. oh for Paul's sake, I have a grip.
I think you are getting hung up on the hyperbole, sweets, and missing the point. but whatevs. I really don't care. hopefully this guy will go bankrupt and save us all the discussion of his idiocy.
edit: candidly, if he doesn't care enough about his business to avoid this sort of thing, then he is probably better off in the clergy, or the military, where his sacrifices will be noted and appreciated by his superiors or congregation. as for his employees, they are probably better off somewhere that has health insurance.
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Post by Tennesseer on Feb 3, 2015 13:10:43 GMT -5
I believe a person's right to publicly boycott a restaurant and to orally and verbally disparage the restaurant on the Internet and other forms of media for the restaurant's political position is the same free speech right as the franchise owner's right to list and demand payment on the restaurant tab for the 'FL Surcharge Afford Care'. A poster seems to think "Boycotting out of existence seem like some pretty extreme measures". Yet boycotting is free speech. Either you support free speech without any conditions attached or you do not support free speech. I also believe your free speech ends at the tip of my nose. Why should I have to pay a mandatory surcharge for your right to free speech? I should be free to exercise my free speech too by deducting the surcharge from my restaurant tab and paying only the remainder. Free speech only for some, eh? No. I think the way the guy is expressing his opinion on the ACA is a little out there, but he is not doing it in a hateful manner, he is not singling anyone out, this is just how he decides to express his opinion on the law every one is getting the same thing on their bill. Maybe he will lose a few customers that don't like it, he's willing to take the risk. Opposed to boycott him out of business. Attempt to take away his livelihood, his means of supporting his family if he has one. The ability of his employees to support themselves and their families. Yes, I think that's way out there, extreme, and twisted.
Get real. Of course he is doing it in a hateful way. He is trying to make a point of something he strongly disagrees with. He is even going to lose customers even after Wings headquarters told him to knock it off and delete the surcharge (which he has done). We all face a possible reaction from the public when we take a stand be it good or bad. In this case, they franchise owner is going to have to eat the negative publicity. Too bad.
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Post by djAdvocate on Feb 3, 2015 13:34:33 GMT -5
oh, and by the way, this ass hat is in no danger of losing his livelihood whatsoever:
From fry cook to owner, Kendall Howard has worked in nearly every position a restaurant offers, and now has opened the second Lubbock location of the Mama Fu’s franchise — one of four restaurant chains he's involved with.
In Lubbock, Howard owns Buffalo Wild Wings, Mama Fu’s, Las Brisas, and has been involved with Sonic. He's currently developing a new seafood and steakhouse concept in Oklahoma City.
the article that this came from made a big point of him being all charitable. too bad he is not charitable to his employees.
he is vertically integrated, btw. he got tired of paying construction companies to build his restaurants for him, so now he has a construction company, too. he just bought a pair of restaurants for $1.1M cash, so i am sure that he is not hurting.
i am with Tenn on this one. it was hateful, and that is why i gave a hateful response. tit for tat.
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Post by djAdvocate on Feb 3, 2015 13:45:22 GMT -5
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Post by djAdvocate on Feb 3, 2015 13:55:49 GMT -5
oh, and just to stem the criticism of me being anti-capitalist or some such cal, I have nothing against this guy's wealth and income at all. I do, however, have a beef with him bitching about the fines he is seeing for not paying insurance. and that was BEFORE I had any idea that he was (apparently) a partisan drone.
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Post by Opti on Feb 3, 2015 13:56:25 GMT -5
Glad to hear it, I guess.
They jumped the price of their organic 3lb. potatoes about the same time from $3.99 to $4.99. They've come down about .50 a couple months ago, but its weird since I read potatoes were a bumper crop recently.
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Post by djAdvocate on Feb 3, 2015 14:03:25 GMT -5
here is a statement from Charles Perry's campaign website about his fiscal stances:
As a state we do not tax too little, we spend too much. We must reduce the tax burden on Texas families and spend our state dollars more conservatively.
Rep. Charles Perry has consistently been a champion for fiscal responsibility. As your State Representative he has: •Authored legislation to cap state spending to population growth plus inflation and require zero-based budgeting. •Stood strong against tax and fee increases and opposed our out-of-control property taxes. •Co-Authored legislation to require drug testing of people receiving government assistance. •Fought to do away with our state franchise tax that is choking small businesses. •Rated “Tax-Payer Champion” from Texans for Fiscal Responsibility •Rated “Fighter for Free Enterprise” from Texas Association of Business •Opposed all efforts to expand Medicaid under Obamacare
gee. I wonder how he feels about the ObamaCare fines. I dunno........
anyone think this was NOT political?
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Post by Deleted on Feb 3, 2015 14:07:27 GMT -5
No. I think the way the guy is expressing his opinion on the ACA is a little out there, but he is not doing it in a hateful manner, he is not singling anyone out, this is just how he decides to express his opinion on the law every one is getting the same thing on their bill. Maybe he will lose a few customers that don't like it, he's willing to take the risk. Opposed to boycott him out of business. Attempt to take away his livelihood, his means of supporting his family if he has one. The ability of his employees to support themselves and their families. Yes, I think that's way out there, extreme, and twisted.
Get real. Of course he is doing it in a hateful way. He is trying to make a point of something he strongly disagrees with. He is even going to lose customers even after Wings headquarters told him to knock it off and delete the surcharge (which he has done). We all face a possible reaction from the public when we take a stand be it good or bad. In this case, they franchise owner is going to have to eat the negative publicity. Too bad. He hates a policy. He isn't going around hating on individuals.
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Post by Tennesseer on Feb 3, 2015 14:10:16 GMT -5
Get real. Of course he is doing it in a hateful way. He is trying to make a point of something he strongly disagrees with. He is even going to lose customers even after Wings headquarters told him to knock it off and delete the surcharge (which he has done). We all face a possible reaction from the public when we take a stand be it good or bad. In this case, they franchise owner is going to have to eat the negative publicity. Too bad. He hates a policy. He isn't going around hating on individuals. Take a stand and there is always the possibility of a beat down. Too friggin bad. Get over it.
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Post by djAdvocate on Feb 3, 2015 14:11:21 GMT -5
Get real. Of course he is doing it in a hateful way. He is trying to make a point of something he strongly disagrees with. He is even going to lose customers even after Wings headquarters told him to knock it off and delete the surcharge (which he has done). We all face a possible reaction from the public when we take a stand be it good or bad. In this case, they franchise owner is going to have to eat the negative publicity. Too bad. He hates a policy. He isn't going around hating on individuals. no, he is going around openly displaying how much he adores his employees, instead.
for the record, I have nothing against Kendall. but I do indeed hate what little I know of his policies.
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Post by djAdvocate on Feb 3, 2015 14:12:25 GMT -5
He hates a policy. He isn't going around hating on individuals. Take a stand and there is always the possibility of a beat down. Too friggin bad. Get over it. he is laughing all the way to the golf course (less than a mile from his mansion), along with his state Senator.
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Post by Deleted on Feb 3, 2015 14:15:16 GMT -5
What difference would it make to you? He could be clearing 12 K a year and his offence was so agregious according to you, you would try to eliminate it.
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Post by Deleted on Feb 3, 2015 14:16:08 GMT -5
He hates a policy. He isn't going around hating on individuals. Take a stand and there is always the possibility of a beat down. Too friggin bad. Get over it. Yah, maybe you guys would like to set his house on fire.
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Post by Tennesseer on Feb 3, 2015 14:19:37 GMT -5
Take a stand and there is always the possibility of a beat down. Too friggin bad. Get over it. Yah, maybe you guys would like to set his house on fire. Oh FFS. Now you really are over the top.
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Post by djAdvocate on Feb 3, 2015 14:21:05 GMT -5
What difference would it make to you? He could be clearing 12 K a year and his offence was so agregious according to you, you would try to eliminate it.
you're right, i didn't care. i ONLY cared about it being a bad idea. but you brought out the humanity in me by suggesting that he might lose his home and family for standing up for that idea.
i no longer have that concern. neither should you.
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Post by deziloooooo on Feb 3, 2015 14:21:34 GMT -5
in case i wasn't clear, i am a strong advocate of the freedom to be stupid. if Whackjob Wings wants to advertise his hatred for the ACA, and suffer the consequences for that decision, he should have the right to do that (provided that it is not a violation of his franchise agreement, which it probably is). economic Darwinism should handle the rest. What I don't understand is your need to constantly over use the adjectives... " to be stupid. if Whackjob Wings" just a few ...and seemingly in all your posts...also the constant posting in a row...for me...just annoying..in a way reminding me of my ex...having to get the last word in no matter what...I think on this topic all has been said....at least from my side..for you...I am sure not yours.. For me the charge no biggie..actually glad to see employees are getting full time hours if they want them and they and theirs are covered as I am as far as their medical needs..especially since in most of their field of work..so many are not..and the sur charge...no biggie..If the wings are good..place is convenient to get to and folks friendly there I will make sure to go there and when I see you outside picketing the business with your sign I will be sure to say " hey.." , might even pass you a wing too.. ...Such a beautiful day here ..mid 70's and sunny again...thank the lord vs the North East so am going to meander to the pool area and say hi to some folks.. Ciao....
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Post by djAdvocate on Feb 3, 2015 14:22:06 GMT -5
Take a stand and there is always the possibility of a beat down. Too friggin bad. Get over it. Yah, maybe you guys would like to set his house on fire. nope. that would be an actual crime, whereas a boycott would not.
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Post by djAdvocate on Feb 3, 2015 14:25:00 GMT -5
What I don't understand is your need to constantly over use the adjectives... " to be stupid. if Whackjob Wings" just a few ...and seemingly in all your posts...also the constant posting in a row...for me...just annoying..in a way reminding me of my ex...having to get the last word in no matter what...I think on this topic all has been said....at least from my side..for you...I am sure not yours.. For me the charge no biggie..actually glad to see employees are getting full time hours if they want them and they and theirs are covered as I am as far as their medical needs..especially since in most of their field of work..so many are not..and the sur charge...no biggie..If the wings are good..place is convenient to get to and folks friendly there I will make sure to go there and when I see you outside picketing the business with your sign I will be sure to say " hey.." , might even pass you a wing too.. ...Such a beautiful day here ..mid 70's and sunny again...thank the lord vs the North East so am going to meander to the pool area and say hi to some folks.. Ciao.... not that hard to understand. just having fun with KENDALL and his wing empire. if you are not amused by it, i couldn't care in the slightest.
enjoy your day. go have some wings.
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Post by djAdvocate on Feb 3, 2015 14:27:11 GMT -5
Yah, maybe you guys would like to set his house on fire. Oh FFS. Now you really are over the top. seriously. i don't know how you set fire to a stone mansion.
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Post by djAdvocate on Feb 3, 2015 14:40:53 GMT -5
for the record, i kinda felt bad when Sambo's went under, too. but like this guy, they made some terrible mistakes.
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Post by b2r on Feb 3, 2015 14:44:42 GMT -5
Musical interlude!
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Post by djAdvocate on Feb 3, 2015 14:57:19 GMT -5
i owned a building in San Diego that we rented to a meat company.
when a developer came in and offered us 3x what we paid for it so he could build condos, we gave the meat company 2 months notice. thereafter, we started tagging the building with band names that could easily be altered to feature meat or various cuts of meat.
the very first one we did was "MEATALLICA"
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Post by Deleted on Feb 3, 2015 18:43:17 GMT -5
What is the purpose of putting a line that says "State Sales Tax X%: {tax amount}"? I mean, you COULD just include that tax in the shelf/menu price (I used to work at a place that did just that, so I know it CAN be done)... so what kind of statement is it making if it's at the bottom of the receipt? ETA: And if you lose 1 but gain 2... was it still a bad decision? What if you lose customers because they think you are like every other fast food joint in town that's cutting hours instead... is it a bad decision to have NOT made mention that you didn't do that? for two reasons.
first, some items are not taxable. i would be puzzled if Stupid Wings did not charge tax on some items. second, in terms of sales tax, those items are not actually owned by the retailer. the retailer COLLECTS them, and the GOVERNMENT owns them. it is a very strict accounting system (to the penny) that creates a flow through revenue for states whose point of origin is at the retailer. the ACA tax doesn't work that way, since it is not paid universally, only by some of those that don't offer insurance.
I think you are confused about my question comparing it to the tax line. I am not asking for pros or cons against either of them (sales taxes or the ACA). I'm asking "what political statement does it make by the business to have a line for the tax?" That line is NOT a requirement. A business CAN include all taxes in it's listed prices, and not even need a line for tax. Throughout this thread it's been proposed that the only reason to make that 2% ACA charge a "line item" was to make a political statement... so... again... I ask: What's the political statement for having a line for sales tax?
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Post by Angel! on Feb 3, 2015 20:15:36 GMT -5
for two reasons.
first, some items are not taxable. i would be puzzled if Stupid Wings did not charge tax on some items. second, in terms of sales tax, those items are not actually owned by the retailer. the retailer COLLECTS them, and the GOVERNMENT owns them. it is a very strict accounting system (to the penny) that creates a flow through revenue for states whose point of origin is at the retailer. the ACA tax doesn't work that way, since it is not paid universally, only by some of those that don't offer insurance.
I think you are confused about my question comparing it to the tax line. I am not asking for pros or cons against either of them (sales taxes or the ACA). I'm asking "what political statement does it make by the business to have a line for the tax?" That line is NOT a requirement. A business CAN include all taxes in it's listed prices, and not even need a line for tax. Throughout this thread it's been proposed that the only reason to make that 2% ACA charge a "line item" was to make a political statement... so... again... I ask: What's the political statement for having a line for sales tax? A quick search shows that at least in some states it is required. www.tax.ny.gov/pdf/publications/sales/pub34.pdfIf sales tax is not called out, then it assumed total is the cost of merchandise and tax will be owed on that amount.
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Post by djAdvocate on Feb 3, 2015 21:05:07 GMT -5
for two reasons.
first, some items are not taxable. i would be puzzled if Stupid Wings did not charge tax on some items. second, in terms of sales tax, those items are not actually owned by the retailer. the retailer COLLECTS them, and the GOVERNMENT owns them. it is a very strict accounting system (to the penny) that creates a flow through revenue for states whose point of origin is at the retailer. the ACA tax doesn't work that way, since it is not paid universally, only by some of those that don't offer insurance.
I think you are confused about my question comparing it to the tax line. I am not asking for pros or cons against either of them (sales taxes or the ACA). I'm asking "what political statement does it make by the business to have a line for the tax?" That line is NOT a requirement. A business CAN include all taxes in it's listed prices, and not even need a line for tax. Throughout this thread it's been proposed that the only reason to make that 2% ACA charge a "line item" was to make a political statement... so... again... I ask: What's the political statement for having a line for sales tax? in CA, it is, in fact, required. so, if it is legally required, then it is not a political statement. just following the rules. in all other instances, it is just playing games with your customers, and/or trying to make some sort of point.
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I think you are confused about my question comparing it to the tax line. I am not asking for pros or cons against either of them (sales taxes or the ACA). I'm asking "what political statement does it make by the business to have a line for the tax?" That line is NOT a requirement. A business CAN include all taxes in it's listed prices, and not even need a line for tax. Throughout this thread it's been proposed that the only reason to make that 2% ACA charge a "line item" was to make a political statement... so... again... I ask: What's the political statement for having a line for sales tax? A quick search shows that at least in some states it is required. www.tax.ny.gov/pdf/publications/sales/pub34.pdfIf sales tax is not called out, then it assumed total is the cost of merchandise and tax will be owed on that amount. Interesting. I've never lived in a state where that was the requirement. O.k. ... I'll amend the question: In states where it's legal to include tax in the listed price of an item, what is the political statement of businesses that use a line item to display the tax instead?
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I think you are confused about my question comparing it to the tax line. I am not asking for pros or cons against either of them (sales taxes or the ACA). I'm asking "what political statement does it make by the business to have a line for the tax?" That line is NOT a requirement. A business CAN include all taxes in it's listed prices, and not even need a line for tax. Throughout this thread it's been proposed that the only reason to make that 2% ACA charge a "line item" was to make a political statement... so... again... I ask: What's the political statement for having a line for sales tax? in CA, it is, in fact, required. so, if it is legally required, then it is not a political statement. just following the rules. in all other instances, it is just playing games with your customers, and/or trying to make some sort of point.Soo... what "point" is it trying to make, having a separate line for the sales tax?
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Post by EVT1 on Feb 3, 2015 21:33:57 GMT -5
Makes you wonder- I do notice cable and phone companies go out of their way to list taxes and fees among their giant list of bullshit charges- so I guess the statement from them is 'see, it isn't us screwing you' .
I tried to figure out the cable bill several times and the best I come up with is it intentionally designed to confuse and hide actual costs- but that's OK- Google fiber is a go here so the suck-it Comcast countdown has started
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