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Post by swamp on Jan 28, 2015 9:40:26 GMT -5
Well, I'd be fine with them walking that. Me too, but not everyone agrees with me.
Last weekend, DS was at a friends house and he had soccer. The kid lives literally 100 yards from soccer. You can see the building from the kid's front porch. DS is 8. There is no reason he cannot walk to the building.
There were people who were horrified that I wasn't willing to drive the 10 miles into town to pick him up and escort him to soccer. He's 8. He can cross a street.
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Post by The Captain on Jan 28, 2015 9:49:42 GMT -5
(Groan) This is something DH and I do NOT agree on. By the time I was 11 (and sis was 10) we knew how to do laundry and iron, clean the house, and cook all of the meals. I could put a full Thanksgiving meal on the table for 20+ people without breaking a sweat. Mom was also an avid couponer and did a great job of teaching us how to comparison shop. Mom was in an accident that caused nerve damage to both her arms. She simply couldn't lift anything heavy or do physical stuff anymore so it fell to sis and I, we just did it, it was our normal. DH thinks it's very abnormal for a kid to be able to do that and that if I push DD too hard or give her too many chores I'll steal her childhood. So we try to compromise. DD can do laundry, I'm teaching her how to iron. She can sweep, clean a bathroom and run a vacuum. She can make scrambled and basted eggs and matzo ball soup. She's not good yet at comparison shopping and her cooking skills are (IMHO) far behind where they need to be. I'm starting to (try to) teach her about finances and should teach her how to balance a checkbook (something her father never did learn ). GAWD, she could be going off to college in a few years (they're flying by!!!) and how will I get her ready?
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Post by swamp on Jan 28, 2015 9:51:54 GMT -5
Will you teach me how to iron?
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Post by thyme4change on Jan 28, 2015 9:54:08 GMT -5
We really do send and receive mixed messages.
When my father was your son's age, he walked 100 miles, uphill both ways, in the snow, past a prison to go to school. But now, you are arrested if they play in the front yard, but we are also villanized for creating soft children. Whatever. You can't win.
Not to mention that there is always someone who claims they have their children in a completely safe, yet completely independent situation, and you are just doing it wrong if you can't figure out how to foster independence without exposing them to risk. Bullshit. There isn't any real independence without risk.
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Post by thyme4change on Jan 28, 2015 9:55:40 GMT -5
Will you teach me how to iron? Why? Who needs to iron? Buy the wrinkle-free shirts and let ironing disappear into history. Terrible chore.
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Post by swamp on Jan 28, 2015 9:58:33 GMT -5
Will you teach me how to iron? Why? Who needs to iron? Buy the wrinkle-free shirts and let ironing disappear into history. Terrible chore. Anything that is wrinkled gets tossed into the dryer with a damp washcloth. That seems to work. But it just seems like I should know how to iron.
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Post by thyme4change on Jan 28, 2015 10:02:11 GMT -5
Why? Who needs to iron? Buy the wrinkle-free shirts and let ironing disappear into history. Terrible chore. Anything that is wrinkled gets tossed into the dryer with a damp washcloth. That seems to work. But it just seems like I should know how to iron. Meh - just call yourself a modern woman and then mumble something about the 1950's being oppressive to wives. It is working for me.
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Post by ArchietheDragon on Jan 28, 2015 10:02:33 GMT -5
Why? Who needs to iron? Buy the wrinkle-free shirts and let ironing disappear into history. Terrible chore. Anything that is wrinkled gets tossed into the dryer with a damp washcloth. That seems to work. But it just seems like I should know how to iron. Take it to the dry cleaner.
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Post by MJ2.0 on Jan 28, 2015 10:11:16 GMT -5
Will you teach me how to iron? Why? Who needs to iron? Buy the wrinkle-free shirts and let ironing disappear into history. Terrible chore. I learned the hard way that the wrinkle-free shirts are actually wrinkle-resistant. Plus, I have nice shirts that aren't wrinkle-free that should be ironed. On an somewhat unrelated tangent, it occurred to me one day that our kids may not need to learn to tie shoes. DS is about 3.5 years old and has not had one shoe with laces. And now people are wearing lots of slip-on shoes and boots with zippers. I'm starting to think I need to buy him a pair of lace-up shoes just so he can learn to tie them. He can't even put his shoes on the right feet correctly, I don't know how in the world he'll learn to tie shoe laces.
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Post by Wisconsin Beth on Jan 28, 2015 10:11:35 GMT -5
Why? Who needs to iron? Buy the wrinkle-free shirts and let ironing disappear into history. Terrible chore. Anything that is wrinkled gets tossed into the dryer with a damp washcloth. That seems to work. But it just seems like I should know how to iron. My Mom used to iron handkerchiefs so that's how I learned. So I can iron squares like there's no tomorrow. And that sort of has translated into being able to iron shirts and once DH's sport coat. But I haven't actually owned an iron in almost 20 years. The sport coat was ironed at a hotel, using the stuff in the room.
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Post by ArchietheDragon on Jan 28, 2015 10:12:45 GMT -5
Why? Who needs to iron? Buy the wrinkle-free shirts and let ironing disappear into history. Terrible chore. I learned the hard way that the wrinkle-free shirts are actually wrinkle-resistant. Plus, I have nice shirts that aren't wrinkle-free that should be ironed. On an somewhat unrelated tangent, it occurred to me one day that our kids may not need to learn to tie shoes. DS is about 3.5 years old and has not had one shoe with laces. And now people are wearing lots of slip-on shoes and boots with zippers. I'm starting to think I need to buy him a pair of lace-up shoes just so he can learn to tie them. He can't even put his shoes on the right feet correctly, I don't know how in the world he'll learn to tie shoe laces. My 6 year old hasn't learned how to tie shoes yet. I can assume that one day she will just learn on her own, right?
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Post by Wisconsin Beth on Jan 28, 2015 10:13:07 GMT -5
Why? Who needs to iron? Buy the wrinkle-free shirts and let ironing disappear into history. Terrible chore. I learned the hard way that the wrinkle-free shirts are actually wrinkle-resistant. Plus, I have nice shirts that aren't wrinkle-free that should be ironed. On an somewhat unrelated tangent, it occurred to me one day that our kids may not need to learn to tie shoes. DS is about 3.5 years old and has not had one shoe with laces. And now people are wearing lots of slip-on shoes and boots with zippers. I'm starting to think I need to buy him a pair of lace-up shoes just so he can learn to tie them. He can't even put his shoes on the right feet correctly, I don't know how in the world he'll learn to tie shoe laces. Well, for us, the kids learned in K4/K5. Then went back to velco shoes. And your little guy is 3.5? Wow, did that time go by fast. Seems like yesterday you were pregnant!
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Post by swamp on Jan 28, 2015 10:13:14 GMT -5
Anything that is wrinkled gets tossed into the dryer with a damp washcloth. That seems to work. But it just seems like I should know how to iron. My Mom used to iron handkerchiefs so that's how I learned. So I can iron squares like there's no tomorrow. And that sort of has translated into being able to iron shirts and once DH's sport coat. But I haven't actually owned an iron in almost 20 years. The sport coat was ironed at a hotel, using the stuff in the room. Well, yeah, I can iron square flat things. Shirts are a problem.
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Post by swamp on Jan 28, 2015 10:13:38 GMT -5
I learned the hard way that the wrinkle-free shirts are actually wrinkle-resistant. Plus, I have nice shirts that aren't wrinkle-free that should be ironed. On an somewhat unrelated tangent, it occurred to me one day that our kids may not need to learn to tie shoes. DS is about 3.5 years old and has not had one shoe with laces. And now people are wearing lots of slip-on shoes and boots with zippers. I'm starting to think I need to buy him a pair of lace-up shoes just so he can learn to tie them. He can't even put his shoes on the right feet correctly, I don't know how in the world he'll learn to tie shoe laces. My 6 year old hasn't learned how to tie shoes yet. I can assume that one day she will just learn on her own, right? DS is 8 and is still not quite there on the shoe tying. Damn Velcro.
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Post by Deleted on Jan 28, 2015 10:15:44 GMT -5
My oldest took forever to tie his shoes. He still sucks at it and he's 12. I started the younger one on tie shoes at 3. Maybe that will speed things up.
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Post by CarolinaKat on Jan 28, 2015 10:17:13 GMT -5
Anything that is wrinkled gets tossed into the dryer with a damp washcloth. That seems to work. But it just seems like I should know how to iron. Meh - just call yourself a modern woman and then mumble something about the 1950's being oppressive to wives. It is working for me. I have some cast iron irons. I use them for decoration ETA: DH can Iron anything. So if something needs it, he can do it
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Post by MJ2.0 on Jan 28, 2015 10:18:24 GMT -5
am I the only one who doesn't think ironing isn't the end of the world? It is annoying, but it takes all of 5 minutes if that! I felt like I was 3 and tying my own shoes, and DS is constantly trying to put the right shoe on his left foot. smh...
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Post by Formerly SK on Jan 28, 2015 10:19:59 GMT -5
My 10yo can't tie shoes very well (poor fine motor skills). It's pretty hard at his size to find shoes without laces (which are required for PE days). Yeah, he wears Vans most days, but I definitely feel the pressure to improve his skills. On days with laces, I usually end up doing it for him because we are racing out the door.
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Post by Chocolate Lover on Jan 28, 2015 10:20:32 GMT -5
am I the only one who doesn't think ironing isn't the end of the world? It is annoying, but it takes all of 5 minutes if that! I felt like I was 3 and tying my own shoes, and DS is constantly trying to put the right shoe on his left foot. smh... Yes, yes you are. It takes more than 5 minutes. Setting up the board and getting the iron hot takes at least a couple. Youngest DS is not the most coordinated child, it took him ages to learn to tie his shoes. He was 7 or 8 maybe?
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Post by Lizard Queen on Jan 28, 2015 10:20:37 GMT -5
Anything that is wrinkled gets tossed into the dryer with a damp washcloth. That seems to work. But it just seems like I should know how to iron. My Mom used to iron handkerchiefs so that's how I learned. So I can iron squares like there's no tomorrow. And that sort of has translated into being able to iron shirts and once DH's sport coat. But I haven't actually owned an iron in almost 20 years. The sport coat was ironed at a hotel, using the stuff in the room. My mom used to iron handkerchiefs too, and that's how she taught me. I guess Im probably not much of an ironer, as I didn't know there was much to learn about it. I do own a couple irons. They get used about twice a year.
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Post by ArchietheDragon on Jan 28, 2015 10:20:52 GMT -5
am I the only one who doesn't think ironing isn't the end of the world? It is annoying, but it takes all of 5 minutes if that! I felt like I was 3 and tying my own shoes, and DS is constantly trying to put the right shoe on his left foot. smh... It is annoying. It takes me about 15 minutes to do a shirt. If I did a lot of them I would get better, but i don't want to iron so I don't do a lot of them so it takes me a long time if I ever need to iron them.
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Post by bean29 on Jan 28, 2015 10:22:41 GMT -5
The Girl Scouts have been doing preorder sales like that for years. That's how I sold with them in the 80s. It is because of the reason that Ryan pointed out. There are no "returns" on GS cookies (or you may be only able to return full cases... I ca't remember). The troops have to pay for whatever they order. If they presell, they have a better idea how many to order. They will add a few boxes of cookies for site sales (in front of stores, etc) and hope that they sell all of their cookies. If not, the leftovers come out of the profits. When I sold, the troop made 40 cents per box. The price of the bix was $2.50 ($1.30 went to the council to pay for camps, workshops, etc). If you don't do preorders and have 10 cases left over, you are paying $2.10 for each box (12 boxes per case) out of the profit of 40 cents per box you made. You can also only buy from the council by the case (12 boxes). Some cookies don't sell as well (The thin mints sell out quick, the others not so fast). So, you don't want to be stuck with 11 boxes because you had to break a case and have these extras. My has been Cookie Mom for 2-3 years. They do the presales, then when the cookies come in they do the grocery store sales. She called me to order the other day, and told me her DD wanted to go out selling that weekend. She commented that it was a lot easier to sell once they physically have them.
IDK if I buy them after they have them or if I order them but I would rather not have the GS Cookie Time stretching out Months! I used to buy more, but DH is Diabetic, and my co-workers are pretty health conscious...so I don't need to buy 20 boxes of cookies b/c my dirt poor DS has 20 cases of cookies sitting in her living room.
Two years ago when my DN graduated from HS my Mom and I were helping DS get ready for his grad party. I took all the leftover boxes of Cookies to the local food bank and made them give me a receipt. I was concerned that someone would accuse her of "stealing". She told me that they did so well on the cookie sale, and the troop has so much money, I did not have to worry about it. I do think if someone else was cookie Mom, they would not sell so aggressively, so she is probably right. I was going to pay for the donated cookies. She said not. It was at least 6 cases.
DS and I don't live in the same community, so I not only buy from my Niece, I also have to face the Girl Scouts selling at my local grocery store, and now the Boy Scouts are selling Popcorn and Candy etc at the Grocery Store too.
Mr. Oped, my DH says when he came to the US he was about 10. He went to the first Boy Scout Meeting and realized how much it was going to cost his parents if he became a Boy Scout, and that was the end of that. Our DS was never interested in Scouts, but my DD was in Girl Scouts. I enjoyed scouts and IDK, the uniforms mheh, I hated them, they were ugly when I was a kid...but the sashes and vests with all the badges are all about achievement and that was what was cool about scouting.
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Post by Deleted on Jan 28, 2015 10:24:00 GMT -5
am I the only one who doesn't think ironing isn't the end of the world? It is annoying, but it takes all of 5 minutes if that! I felt like I was 3 and tying my own shoes, and DS is constantly trying to put the right shoe on his left foot. smh... Yes, yes you are. It takes more than 5 minutes. Setting up the board and getting the iron hot takes at least a couple. Youngest DS is not the most coordinated child, it took him ages to learn to tie his shoes. He was 7 or 8 maybe? Finding the iron and board would take me a lot longer than 5 minutes. I honestly don't even know why I own one. The only thing I ever used it for was putting badges on DS's uniform years ago and I don't even do that anymore, now I use that glue stuff.
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Post by thyme4change on Jan 28, 2015 10:25:14 GMT -5
"Back in my day, I learned to tie my shoes when I was three. In the snow, uphill."
I was in kindergarten when I learned, and I am older than you. So maybe you were an advanced shoe-tie-er, or maybe I was slow. My kids learned when they were 5-6 and both have plenty of shoes that tie. Especially the boy who does sports. All the cleats tie, as do basketball shoes. I don't think not knowing how to tie a shoe at 3 is the signal that kids are helpless today more so than ever. This is how things go so terribly wrong. We have some picture of what we did - accurate or not, normal or not. And then we cherry pick those things and assign fault to an entire generation. Sure, my kid's school required supervision at the bus stop as long as they were students (up to 4th grade) which was ridiculous compared to me walking to the bus stop alone as a Kindergartener, but I didn't learn algebra until 8th grade, and my kids started the basics in 3rd grade. Hard to tell which is superior.
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Post by Lizard Queen on Jan 28, 2015 10:25:49 GMT -5
DS learned right before he turned 6. He saw shoes with laces he wanted and asked me to teach him. One trick to use is to wrap the shoe lace through the first loop twice - it helps it stay in place if you fumble with your fingers and gives you more separation for the bunny ears. Also, square and bright shoelaces. DH actually does that because your shoes are less likely to come untied that way and they stay tighter. I think he said he learned that on the bowling team in college.
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Post by Chocolate Lover on Jan 28, 2015 10:27:06 GMT -5
Yes, yes you are. It takes more than 5 minutes. Setting up the board and getting the iron hot takes at least a couple. Youngest DS is not the most coordinated child, it took him ages to learn to tie his shoes. He was 7 or 8 maybe? Finding the iron and board would take me a lot longer than 5 minutes. I honestly don't even know why I own one. The only thing I ever used it for was putting badges on DS's uniform years ago and I don't even do that anymore, now I use that glue stuff. I think my full size ironing board is in my great aunt's shed. I didn't know that until a couple of months ago, I thought it was totally gone. I have a table top one that might get used once a year at most. I know where my iron is, but I'm not sure I can reach it. That aunt though, she irons table cloths and everything else. I can't imagine caring enough to do napkins. :S
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Post by Deleted on Jan 28, 2015 10:29:24 GMT -5
Finding the iron and board would take me a lot longer than 5 minutes. I honestly don't even know why I own one. The only thing I ever used it for was putting badges on DS's uniform years ago and I don't even do that anymore, now I use that glue stuff. I think my full size ironing board is in my great aunt's shed. I didn't know that until a couple of months ago, I thought it was totally gone. I have a table top one that might get used once a year at most. I know where my iron is, but I'm not sure I can reach it. That aunt though, she irons table cloths and everything else. I can't imagine caring enough to do napkins. :SI can't imagine having the TIME! I feel like it's a victory if the clothes get washed/dried and put away the same day.
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Post by MJ2.0 on Jan 28, 2015 10:29:38 GMT -5
am I the only one who doesn't think ironing isn't the end of the world? It is annoying, but it takes all of 5 minutes if that! I felt like I was 3 and tying my own shoes, and DS is constantly trying to put the right shoe on his left foot. smh... It takes me about 15 minutes to do a shirt. you got some big ass shirts, buddy. I don't think I've taken more than 5 minutes per shirt. Hmmmm, maybe I should start ironing for money...?
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Post by Lizard Queen on Jan 28, 2015 10:32:37 GMT -5
"Back in my day, I learned to tie my shoes when I was three. In the snow, uphill."
I was in kindergarten when I learned, and I am older than you. So maybe you were an advanced shoe-tie-er, or maybe I was slow. My kids learned when they were 5-6 and both have plenty of shoes that tie. Especially the boy who does sports. All the cleats tie, as do basketball shoes. I don't think not knowing how to tie a shoe at 3 is the signal that kids are helpless today more so than ever. This is how things go so terribly wrong. We have some picture of what we did - accurate or not, normal or not. And then we cherry pick those things and assign fault to an entire generation. Sure, my kid's school required supervision at the bus stop as long as they were students (up to 4th grade) which was ridiculous compared to me walking to the bus stop alone as a Kindergartener, but I didn't learn algebra until 8th grade, and my kids started the basics in 3rd grade. Hard to tell which is superior. I don't remember much of my childhood, but I do remember teaching myself to tie my shoes just by screwing around. I also distinctly remember helping another kid tie his shoes in kindergarten, so we must have been 5. I assume that's about the age most kids learned back in the ancient pre-velcro days.
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Post by MJ2.0 on Jan 28, 2015 10:33:49 GMT -5
"Back in my day, I learned to tie my shoes when I was three. In the snow, uphill."
I was in kindergarten when I learned, and I am older than you. So maybe you were an advanced shoe-tie-er, or maybe I was slow. My kids learned when they were 5-6 and both have plenty of shoes that tie. Especially the boy who does sports. All the cleats tie, as do basketball shoes. I don't think not knowing how to tie a shoe at 3 is the signal that kids are helpless today more so than ever. This is how things go so terribly wrong. We have some picture of what we did - accurate or not, normal or not. And then we cherry pick those things and assign fault to an entire generation. Sure, my kid's school required supervision at the bus stop as long as they were students (up to 4th grade) which was ridiculous compared to me walking to the bus stop alone as a Kindergartener, but I didn't learn algebra until 8th grade, and my kids started the basics in 3rd grade. Hard to tell which is superior. I'm not saying he's doomed, I'm just saying that I'm noticing these "milestone" differences between my generation and his. But then again things are very different. He may not be able to put his shoes on right, but he can play Angry Birds Star Wars on PS3 (and he doesn't totally suck) and can navigate a tablet (open/close programs, slide to the next screen) with ease. He's also getting interested in addition.
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