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Post by Savoir Faire-Demogague in NJ on Mar 7, 2011 9:48:07 GMT -5
That doesn't explain why fewer males are pursuing degrees.
Perhaps the emphasis on admissions is to admit more minorities(and women), as well as more non-white males not getting and/or qualifying for aid, grants and other govt financial assistance. Just a hunch.
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Post by marjar on Mar 7, 2011 10:52:31 GMT -5
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Post by Savoir Faire-Demogague in NJ on Mar 7, 2011 11:12:51 GMT -5
We may be graduating students with degree majors that do nothing for US competitiveness, the same students may be racking up 10s of thousands in student loans they cannot possibly pay back. Other more focused countries will continue to kick our butts in every single area.... But one thing the US leads the world in is the we feel good about ourselves.
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Post by marjar on Mar 7, 2011 12:19:58 GMT -5
We may be graduating students with degree majors that do nothing for US competitiveness, the same students may be racking up 10s of thousands in student loans they cannot possibly pay back. Other more focused countries will continue to kick our butts in every single area.... But one thing the US leads the world in is the we feel good about ourselves. Shall we force kids to major in disciplines in which they have no interest? What is the solution? I'm not completely disagreeing, btw.
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Post by Savoir Faire-Demogague in NJ on Mar 7, 2011 12:25:19 GMT -5
Shall we force kids to major in disciplines in which they have no interest? What is the solution? I'm not completely disagreeing, btw.
As I always respond.... this is a free country, however, one must deal with the consequences of their decisions. People come here and piss and moan about crappy salaries and wages. Did ya' really expect to make any more than $25K working in social work?
ETA: I'd like to add that my brother has been in social work for over 25 years, and it doing very well, only because he is in management.
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Post by swamp on Mar 7, 2011 12:26:11 GMT -5
Shall we force kids to major in disciplines in which they have no interest? What is the solution? I'm not completely disagreeing, btw. As I always respond.... this is a free country, however, one must deal with the consequences of their decisions. People come here and piss and moan about crappy salaries and wages. Did ya' really expect to make any more than $25K working in social work? Actually, I know several MSW's who make about $50k...........
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Post by marjar on Mar 7, 2011 12:29:11 GMT -5
Shall we force kids to major in disciplines in which they have no interest? What is the solution? I'm not completely disagreeing, btw. As I always respond.... this is a free country, however, one must deal with the consequences of their decisions. People come here and piss and moan about crappy salaries and wages. Did ya' really expect to make any more than $25K working in social work? Ah, but your implication is not about individuals and income, but the impact those decisions have on the country, overall. Some folks are altruistic and do find happiness in social work and that sense of helping others.
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Post by Savoir Faire-Demogague in NJ on Mar 7, 2011 12:35:36 GMT -5
Actually, I know several MSW's who make about $50k...........
The need masters degrees. My younger bro is in that line of work. He made crap until he got his masters in social work from NYU. It is honorable work granted, but contributes nothing to economic growth, and frankly, cuts into the countries competitiveness.
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Post by Savoir Faire-Demogague in NJ on Mar 7, 2011 12:36:22 GMT -5
Some folks are altruistic and do find happiness in social work and that sense of helping others.
Then they should not be whining about making crap salaries.
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Post by swamp on Mar 7, 2011 12:38:02 GMT -5
Actually, I know several MSW's who make about $50k........... The need masters degrees. My younger bro is in that line of work. He made crap until he got his masters in social work from NYU. It is honorable work granted, but contributes nothing to economic growth, and frankly, cuts into the countries competitiveness. You're right, you do need an MSW to make some decent $$.
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Post by marjar on Mar 7, 2011 12:38:42 GMT -5
Two years ago, I met a newly graduated PhD - Business degree. He told me he was the only Caucasian who completed his degree. The others dropped out of the program. The remainder of the graduates were mainly Asian, Asian American, or Indian. That does give one pause.
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Post by marjar on Mar 7, 2011 12:39:59 GMT -5
Some folks are altruistic and do find happiness in social work and that sense of helping others.Then they should not be whining about making crap salaries. What has that got to do with men falling behind in academics?
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Post by Savoir Faire-Demogague in NJ on Mar 7, 2011 12:54:26 GMT -5
You're right, you do need an MSW to make some decent $$.
The is exactly what my bro said. When he finished his masters, I think it was 1994, he said so many doors opened for him.
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Post by Savoir Faire-Demogague in NJ on Mar 7, 2011 12:55:35 GMT -5
What has that got to do with men falling behind in academics?
Shrugs shoulders.... the thread topic is not men falling behind, but men not pursuing college educations.
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Post by Savoir Faire-Demogague in NJ on Mar 7, 2011 12:56:58 GMT -5
Two years ago, I met a newly graduated PhD - Business degree. He told me he was the only Caucasian who completed his degree. The others dropped out of the program. The remainder of the graduates were mainly Asian, Asian American, or Indian. That does give one pause.
I dunno, not enough info, but it is interesting.
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Post by marjar on Mar 7, 2011 12:59:54 GMT -5
Two years ago, I met a newly graduated PhD - Business degree. He told me he was the only Caucasian who completed his degree. The others dropped out of the program. The remainder of the graduates were mainly Asian, Asian American, or Indian. That does give one pause. I dunno, not enough info, but it is interesting. He said it was the work load and the math that many cited as their reason for dropping out of the program.
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Post by Savoir Faire-Demogague in NJ on Mar 7, 2011 13:05:00 GMT -5
He said it was the work load and the math that many cited as their reason for dropping out of the program.
How many women were in the program?
In any event, it is no secret that math curriculums are laughable in the US. Sure there are advanced placement classes in high schools throughout the country, but the regular curriculum is severely lacking.
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Post by marjar on Mar 7, 2011 13:07:48 GMT -5
He said it was the work load and the math that many cited as their reason for dropping out of the program. How many women were in the program? In any event, it is no secret that math curriculums are laughable in the US. Sure there are advanced placement classes in high schools throughout the country, but the regular curriculum is severely lacking. Predominantly male. Didn't give exact numbers. I agree with you on math.
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Post by billisonboard on Mar 7, 2011 13:21:37 GMT -5
... In any event, it is no secret that math curriculums are laughable in the US. Sure there are advanced placement classes in high schools throughout the country, but the regular curriculum is severely lacking. Society accepts that we can be bad at math. I heard a bit once where a comedian was talking about how she watched when the check came to a table and the couples would pass it around trying to get someone to do the math of splitting it, saying, "I'm no good at math." She says she never saw anyone at the start of the meal passing around the menu saying, "I'm no good at reading."
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Post by Savoir Faire-Demogague in NJ on Mar 7, 2011 14:53:43 GMT -5
That is a good one Bill....LOL
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Post by marjar on Mar 7, 2011 15:58:16 GMT -5
A few years ago, I was at the grocery store and noticed some Christmas items at 50% off. I grabbed a few to stash away as gifts for the following year. The prices hadn't been marked down on the items, just 50% off stickers were attached. The cashier couldn't calculate the prices and was hesitant to take my word that he could divide by two........one half off. I don't think he was sure 50% equaled 1/2. He called another cashier and she couldn't calculate the cost of an item that was originally $9.99. They called an assistant manager and she was uncertain about the price. Finally, in my outside voice, I commented about the absurdity of people in retail ( Richmond's premiere grocery chain) be unable to perform basic arithmetic. They agreed to the prices I quoted, but I don't think they believed they were correct. Very sad that none of them knew what 50% off of 4.99 and 9.99 equaled.
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Post by Savoir Faire-Demogague in NJ on Mar 7, 2011 16:21:10 GMT -5
They agreed to the prices I quoted, but I don't think they believed they were correct. Very sad that none of them knew what 50% off of 4.99 and 9.99 equaled.
I'll bet they all had great self-esteem, and they got straight A's in trying hard.
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Post by Deleted on Mar 7, 2011 16:29:11 GMT -5
Did you see the research on one of the public school threads on YM... that if you take all the schools with less than 10% poverty... we are #1 in reading and science and # 3 in math....
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Post by ed1066 on Mar 7, 2011 16:39:03 GMT -5
Is that good or bad?
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Post by Savoir Faire-Demogague in NJ on Mar 7, 2011 16:57:46 GMT -5
Did you see the research on one of the public school threads on YM... that if you take all the schools with less than 10% poverty... we are #1 in reading and science and # 3 in math....
I did not see that one, but would not that eliminate a very large chunk of the school age population, and the largest school districts?
I believe the Los Angeles Unified School District is the largest in the nation, toss in Chicago, DC, NYC....just to name a few off hand...and you've knocked out most of the school age population.
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Post by Deleted on Mar 7, 2011 17:01:06 GMT -5
But the point being poverty is the issue... and if we just look at our top kids... like most other countries do... then it isn't as bad as you like to make it out to be...
... yeah... i'm sure that at minimum wage... what is that like 15-16K a year? Those cashiers are not going to be cream of the crop...
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Post by mmhmm on Mar 7, 2011 17:03:02 GMT -5
That's too funny, marjar. It's hard to imagine none of those folks could figure out what half means! Males do mature more slowly than females. That might have something to do with why fewer are entering colleges. By the time they are thinking in a mature fashion, they've gotten married, had children, and find themselves in a dead-end job and unable to pick up where they left off. Don't know if that's the answer, but it's a possibility.
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Post by Savoir Faire-Demogague in NJ on Mar 7, 2011 17:11:04 GMT -5
Males do mature more slowly than females. That might have something to do with why fewer are entering colleges. By the time they are thinking in a mature fashion, they've gotten married, had children, and find themselves in a dead-end job and unable to pick up where they left off. Don't know if that's the answer, but it's a possibility.
While it is factually true that girls mature faster then boys, girls stop maturing around age 16. This maturity factor has nothing to do with young men entering college. It was not long ago the men significantly out numbered women in colleges. Women did not attend college in droves until the 60s.
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Post by mmhmm on Mar 7, 2011 17:18:38 GMT -5
Most kids are entering college around the age of 18. Therefore, the difference in rapidity of maturation is significant. Men outnumbered women in the past because women were discouraged from attending college. Marriage was the preferred occupation for women. Things have changed now, and if you don't enter college right after high school, it's very difficult to go back. Too many men simply can't because they're working low-paying jobs to support families ... often, more than one low-paying job.
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Post by kgb18 on Mar 7, 2011 22:35:21 GMT -5
It does sound like an excuse for boys' bad behavior. Every little girl I know is just as busy and active as the little boys. My little girl loves to run and play.
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