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Post by marjar on Mar 5, 2011 21:50:08 GMT -5
University of Georgia senior Chelsea Lipocky barely notices it anymore. But go to almost any college campus in America today and you'll notice something missing. “All my neighbors are girls,” Lipocky said. “Getting on a bus, you are surrounded by girls.” Where did all the men go? Once the vast majority, they now make up just over 40 percent of the nation's college students. That can make women at schools like the University of Georgia sometimes feel like they go to an all-girls college. “I definitely feel the gender imbalance here,” said junior Whitney Judson. “Walking down the street you see all kinds of girls, but guys are kind of rare.” www.msnbc.msn.com/id/41928806/ns/business-consumer_news/
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Post by Phoenix84 on Mar 5, 2011 22:05:25 GMT -5
The sad thing is that these women will marry men with lower earning potential, then complain because they have to be the breadwinners.
I don't consider a 60/40 balance a crisis though.
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Post by marjar on Mar 5, 2011 22:33:31 GMT -5
Some may not marry at all.
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Post by Phoenix84 on Mar 5, 2011 22:40:21 GMT -5
"Some may not marry at all."
Yes, that is certainly possible. Singles are the fastest growing household type.
I think the bigger question is why has the number of men been declining, what are the long term ramifications for famlies and society, and what (if anything) could/should we do about it?
Personally it doesn't matter much to me. I got my college degree and plan on going for a masters if I ever manage to stay in one area long enough. I find it an interesting topic to think about and discuss though.
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Post by privateinvestor on Mar 6, 2011 7:54:56 GMT -5
More Woman are attending colleges but Men are still doing better in Engineering and Computer Science Programs. But men are still better athletes, and better husbands than women which is what I know firsthand about... And I like to think we are pretty good Ole Granpas to our grand kids at least mine think so but they are probably biased ..
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Post by reasonfreedom on Mar 6, 2011 8:39:54 GMT -5
I think I am going back to college, University of Georgia here I come. "Men falling behind women" I don't mind it, I actually like the view.
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Post by privateinvestor on Mar 6, 2011 10:05:05 GMT -5
At my Alma Mater the student gender mix is @60% female and @40% male....However Nursing and Education are predominately female..while the other colleges are @55% female with @45% male but the trends clearly shows female college enrollment is higher than males and expected to increase in the next decade..
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Post by teppe2 on Mar 6, 2011 10:24:24 GMT -5
Snerdley,
I fully agree with you but I also think the imbalance in numbers between male and female teachers as well as administrative personnel adds to that. My two youngest currently attend an elementary school that has a good number of male teachers, a male principal and some male specialists. A lot of the students' fathers are involved in some way, the whole climate of the school is very different than any other school we have been to.
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Post by Phoenix84 on Mar 6, 2011 10:57:46 GMT -5
"fully agree with you but I also think the imbalance in numbers between male and female teachers as well as administrative personnel adds to that. My two youngest currently attend an elementary school that has a good number of male teachers, a male principal and some male specialists. A lot of the students' fathers are involved in some way, the whole climate of the school is very different than any other school we have been to."
I agree the fact that the majority of teachers and administrators in most schools could have an imapct. If a boy who doesn't have a dad (all too common), or doesn't have a educated dad (or any male role model), or parents who simply don't care about education, it's easy to see how majority female teachers might give a young lad the impression that school and learning is for girls.
I had a male teacher for 4th grade. From what I remember, I enjoyed his classes. I hear some parents don't like their little girls being taught by male elementary school teachers though.
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Post by Phoenix84 on Mar 6, 2011 11:00:44 GMT -5
I went to college for a physics degree, so I'd say the ratio was more like 80% male and 20% female in my major classes. The college itself was more like 60% female and 40% male.
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Post by marjar on Mar 6, 2011 11:01:18 GMT -5
The opposite of what it was years ago, when educating boys was the priority.
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Post by Deleted on Mar 6, 2011 11:01:59 GMT -5
I worry about that homeschooling too teppe... while we do tend to be able to allow more 'boys being boys'.. ultimately it tends to be mostly mothers in charge than fathers... and i've been looking at how to get son transitioning to more time with his dad than me...
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Post by Deleted on Mar 6, 2011 11:03:08 GMT -5
We don't have to shift the pendulum all the way back... but it could be more equal... I think more damning is the re-writing of boyhood... the whole ADHD thing... where we make normal developmental patterns into a 'deficiency'....
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Post by reasonfreedom on Mar 6, 2011 11:08:09 GMT -5
We don't have to shift the pendulum all the way back... but it could be more equal... I think more damning is the re-writing of boyhood... the whole ADHD thing... where we make normal developmental patterns into a 'deficiency'.... I agree with that, my cousin was diagnosed for that and he had no issues. Just because his brain was more mechanical and not book smarts. Whomever started ADHD is a very rich genius, it is like the whole pet rock thingy lol
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Post by marjar on Mar 6, 2011 11:10:04 GMT -5
ADHD is real, but I think over diagnosed and has become something of a catch-all for certain behavioral issues.
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Post by marjar on Mar 6, 2011 11:14:18 GMT -5
lifeinc.today.com/_news/2011/03/03/6181557-good-graph-friday-that-pesky-pay-gapThe White House released a lengthy report earlier this week looking at the state of women in America. The report was chock full of evidence of how much has changed for women these past few decades, as the percentage of working women has gone up. The number of working women with a college degree has risen sharply since 1970, as has the share of women who work in professional and management jobs. But even as women have made strides, the pay gap between men and women has narrowed – but persisted – at every education level. The report cites several factors that may explain the gap. For example, the report says that although women are more likely to work in a professional sector, they also are more likely to be in the lower-paying jobs in that category. Women are also less likely to be in high-paying sectors of the economy, including the computer and engineering fields, as well as business and finance, according to the report.
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Post by ameiko on Mar 6, 2011 11:34:52 GMT -5
The biggest problem for these women is not that there aren't enough men but not enough of the top men that they want. From this article and echoed elsewhere: www.yourtango.com/201057683/are-college-students-failing-loveA senior at the University of North Carolina put it well. "Out of that 40 percent [of guys on campus], there are maybe 20 percent that we would consider, and out of those 20, 10 have girlfriends," she said. "So all the girls are fighting over that other 10 percent."Now her stats are little tough to discern here: of the the 20% men that she and others would consider, is this 20% of the student body (and discounts 50% of the men?) or 20% of the men on campus (and discounts 80% of the men for dating). Going with the latter, WOW! so few choices but only 20% are good enough for you! And if you think I'm cherry picking, consider a recent study (tried googling it, will try later) that showed that when a random group of college students were assembled, women rated about 70-80% of them "below average" in looks (which of course is not statistically possibly). (Note: not the study I was looking for and I find it less scientific so take with a grain of salt: blog.okcupid.com/index.php/your-looks-and-online-dating/As you can see from the gray line, women rate an incredible 80% of guys as worse-looking than medium. Very harsh. On the other hand, when it comes to actual messaging, women shift their expectations only just slightly ahead of the curve, which is a healthier pattern than guys’ pursuing the all-but-unattainable. But with the basic ratings so out-of-whack, the two curves together suggest some strange possibilities for the female thought process, the most salient of which is that the average-looking woman has convinced herself that the vast majority of males aren’t good enough for her, but she then goes right out and messages them anyway.) Oh well. Gonna get worse because schools have left boys behind and society in general places more prestige to a degree even if it's useless to a blue collar worker who happens to make great money (plumber, electrician, etc...)
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Post by ameiko on Mar 6, 2011 11:50:07 GMT -5
"Some may not marry at all." Yes, that is certainly possible. Singles are the fastest growing household type. I think the bigger question is why has the number of men been declining, what are the long term ramifications for famlies and society, and what (if anything) could/should we do about it? Personally it doesn't matter much to me. I got my college degree and plan on going for a masters if I ever manage to stay in one area long enough. I find it an interesting topic to think about and discuss though. A topic near and dear to my heart. I think there are several reasons. 1a. Schools have failed boys. In the push to raise education levels for girls, they have pushed down boys. Boys and girls learn differently yet we have made the teaching process girl friendly and thus boy unfriendly. 1b. little boys have lots of energy and like to run around and play. Without recess and gym to burn that energy off, they get fidgety in class and thus given ritalin to be nice and quiet... like little girls. 1c. less and less men teachers. Makes sense given the hysteria over mne being sexual predators. One accusation and your life is over and your freedom has been taken away. Instead we have almost exclusively women teachers who have no idea what it is to be a boy. 2a. college is not the investment it once was. A college degree was far more prestigous and valuable in the past. With the huge expansion in college students and graduates (especially as women have entered), you have an increase in supply and thus a drop in value; basic economics. This is especially true for degrees outside of STEM (science, technology, engineering, and math) 2b. college has outpaced inflation for cost yet the worth of a degree has dropped. Add in the huge loans that students may accumulate today, and men are deciding that it's not worth it. 2c. for reasons I do not understand, in the black community we have far more women than men going into higher education. I can only guess it's because as illegit births have increased, fewer black boys have strong male role models and instead they seek out more destructive paths. All I know if that I hear many of my black female friends whining about "no good black men" and many will only date white men. 2d. it is becoming more and more obvious that many white collar, college degreed jobs are being outsourced or eliminated as fluff. You only need so many managers and paper shufflers who are not out there "shoveling the gravel" as it were. What you can't outsource are hands on jobs like the blue collar jobs I mentioned in an earlier post: electrician, plumber, etc... which may have less status but often high pay and less upfront educational cost compared to college.
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Post by ameiko on Mar 6, 2011 11:58:54 GMT -5
I forgot to comment on women not marrying. I believe this will happen more and more because:
1a. most women will not "marry down" in terms of earning potential, education, or social status. Even women who will claim that they are high powered women who want a house husband, we have seen many situations where these same women complain that they hate having the earning burden on them and wish their husbands would "man up."
1b. similar to above, most women have unrealistic ideas of their mating worth. I know a 40 year old single mother who makes good money (for arguement sakes, let's say 100K). She thinks that since most women can take care of themselves, men must "bring more to the table." Oh, and he needs to make more than she does. The problem is that she has little to offer a man as a mate to be honest and a man making 115K+ has more options than her. So some professional women will wait for that man who is worthy of her... and keep waiting.
2. many men have been destroyed in family court or seen friends and family destroyed in those courts. You can be a good man and husband yet be stripped of your children, home, assets, and future income. More and more men are deciding to not marry, especially when they can get laid outside of marriage.
And thinks will continue to worsen...
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Post by ameiko on Mar 6, 2011 12:02:12 GMT -5
We don't have to shift the pendulum all the way back... but it could be more equal... I think more damning is the re-writing of boyhood... the whole ADHD thing... where we make normal developmental patterns into a 'deficiency'.... I agree with that, my cousin was diagnosed for that and he had no issues. Just because his brain was more mechanical and not book smarts. Whomever started ADHD is a very rich genius, it is like the whole pet rock thingy lol ABSOLUTELY! While I am sure that there are some people who truly have problems focusing, there is nothing to explain the sudden explosion of this sudden problem. Children have not changed that much but our expectations of them have.
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Post by marjar on Mar 6, 2011 12:17:56 GMT -5
1b. little boys have lots of energy and like to run around and play. Without recess and gym to burn that energy off, they get fidgety in class and thus given ritalin to be nice and quiet... like little girls.
We are also facing a problem of obesity in children, both boys and girls. This problem isn't caused by schools, but lifestyle, in general. I think it would be interesting to see if there is a correlation between video games, which I believe boys play more than girls, and obesity, behavioral problems, and academic achievement in boys. And no, I'm not saying games are bad, but the amount of time some kids spend playing them is excessive.
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Post by marjar on Mar 6, 2011 12:25:49 GMT -5
Regarding sexual predators. Years ago, a young male teacher was hired at my daughter's elementary school. Many parents were concerned because they thought he was a sexual predator. Some felt that a "normal" male would not want to teach 2nd grade and this marked him as a molester. I felt it was an unfair assumption and told folks to give him a chance. Sigh. He was eventually charged as a predator, after child porn was found in his car and the school computers linked him to an AOL chat room, where he'd made arrangements to meet a young boy from another part of the state.
One of my county supervisors, who was an elementary PE teacher, plea bargained on sexual misconduct charges made by his stepdaughter. Prior to this, parents at the school he taught at had made complaints about "unbecoming conduct" on his part.
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Post by marjar on Mar 6, 2011 12:27:39 GMT -5
Friday's jobs report pegged the jobless rate for college graduates at 5.0 percent - compared to 17.9 percent for job seekers without a high school degree. For high school grads, the jobless rate stood at 11.9 percent; for those with some college or a two-year degree, the rate was 8.4 percent. Prospects for unskilled workers in most fields will continue to diminish as employers work relentlessly to increase productivity by investing in technology. On the other hand, in some specialized fields like engineering, employers can't find enough qualified candidates to fill job openings. www.msnbc.msn.com/id/41905394/
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Post by Savoir Faire-Demogague in NJ on Mar 6, 2011 12:32:42 GMT -5
This is not really an issue. The problem is what courses of study are women pursuing. The US has lost its competitive edge with the rest of the world because we are lagging far behind in math and sciences, and that is an understatement. We are not producing college grads that can be productive and contribute to the economy.
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Post by Savoir Faire-Demogague in NJ on Mar 6, 2011 12:34:46 GMT -5
Prospects for unskilled workers in most fields will continue to diminish as employers work relentlessly to increase productivity by investing in technology. On the other hand, in some specialized fields like engineering, employers can't find enough qualified candidates to fill job openings.
We are producing grads majoring in pscyhe, social work, child psychology, art history, english literature, women's studies, creative writing, music, etc. Any wonder why we are getting our butts kicked.
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Post by billisonboard on Mar 6, 2011 13:08:07 GMT -5
... We are producing grads ... Clearly changes in the production line are called for so we turn out grads that meet our needs better.
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Post by marjar on Mar 6, 2011 13:27:50 GMT -5
This is not really an issue. The problem is what courses of study are women pursuing. The US has lost its competitive edge with the rest of the world because we are lagging far behind in math and sciences, and that is an understatement. We are not producing college grads that can be productive and contribute to the economy. That doesn't explain why fewer males are pursuing degrees.
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Post by marjar on Mar 6, 2011 13:31:27 GMT -5
1b. little boys have lots of energy and like to run around and play. Without recess and gym to burn that energy off, they get fidgety in class and thus given ritalin to be nice and quiet... like little girls.
Aside from being just a tiny bit sexist, that almost sounds like and excuse for less than stellar behavior in boys.
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Post by swamp on Mar 6, 2011 14:51:56 GMT -5
1b. little boys have lots of energy and like to run around and play. Without recess and gym to burn that energy off, they get fidgety in class and thus given ritalin to be nice and quiet... like little girls.Aside from being just a tiny bit sexist, that almost sounds like and excuse for less than stellar behavior in boys. My 3 yo little girl never got the memo that she's supposed to be quiet and calm and not to run around and not to fidget.
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Post by privateinvestor on Mar 7, 2011 9:20:30 GMT -5
A woman was out golfing one day when she hit the ball into the woods.
She went into the woods to look for it and found a frog in a trap.
The frog said to her, "If you release me from this trap, I will grant you three wishes."
The woman freed the frog, and the frog said, "Thank you, but I failed to mention that there was a condition to your wishes.
Whatever you wish for, your husband will get times ten!"
The woman said, "That's okay."
For her first wish, she wanted to be the most beautiful woman in the world.
The frog warned her, "You do realize that this wish will also make your husband the most handsome man in the world, an Adonis whom women will flock to".
The woman replied, "That's okay, because I will be the most beautiful woman and he will have eyes only for me."
So, KAZAM-she's the most beautiful woman in the world!
For her second wish, she wanted to be the richest woman in the world.
The frog said, "That will make your husband the richest man in the world. And he will be ten times richer than you."
The woman said, "That's okay, because what's mine is his and what's his is mine."
So, KAZAM-she's the richest woman in the world!
The frog then inquired about her third wish, and she answered, "I'd like a mild heart attack."
Moral of the story: Women are clever. Don't mess with them.
Attention female readers: This is the end of the story for you. Stop right here...right now...and continue feeling good about yourself.
Male readers: Please scroll down. . . . . . . . . . . . The man had a heart attack ten times milder than his wife ..
Moral of the story: Women are not really smart, they just think they are.
Let them continue to think that way and just enjoy the show...!
PS: If you are a woman and are still reading this; it only goes to show that women never listen!!!
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