milee
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Post by milee on Jan 20, 2015 12:57:17 GMT -5
I'm not sure if you're trying to be funny here, but with what's going on recently it's not a funny subject IMHO.
Of course it's not remotely OK to act aggressively to the police. Yelling, moving towards them, not complying with orders, etc... bad idea and not OK.
But just calmly explaining your side of the story? If we think that's not OK then something is seriously wrong and we all need to be involved in fixing it.
Both. Sorry I'm being dense. Please 'splain.
BTW, I'm pretty hard core on this subject but probably in ways that don't totally agree with either of the traditional "sides." I think police have one of the toughest, most dangerous jobs out there and deserve our respect and support. I believe that if a suspect is resisting arrest, acting dangerous or otherwise not complying that the police are completely justified in using force or calling back up in order to protect their own lives. I believe that Michael Brown was advancing towards the Ferguson officer, who was justified in shooting him.
On the other hand, I also believe that part of the officers' job is to listen to the evidence available and part of that is listening to the story of the suspect. If the suspect is not a threat, then lethal force is not reasonable. From the video I've seen, Eric Garner was not behaving in a threatening way and his death at the hands of the police was outrageous and represents extreme overreaction.
In other words, I don't think people have the right to threaten the police; police have the right to defend themselves against threats. But telling your side of the story is not a threat and should not result in death.
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Post by Deleted on Jan 20, 2015 13:00:48 GMT -5
Are you sure you aren't confusing me with somebody else? I'm german/irish/french. Extra pasty white guy. If I don't look white then nobody does. I haven't seen many pictures of you. Maybe it was just the lighting. the bandanna around your neck didn't help, either. The only picture I've ever seen of him he was in a Waldo costume. That might be a risk factor too...
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ArchietheDragon
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Post by ArchietheDragon on Jan 20, 2015 13:00:57 GMT -5
Sorry I'm being dense. Please 'splain.
BTW, I'm pretty hard core on this subject but probably in ways that don't totally agree with either of the traditional "sides." I think police have one of the toughest, most dangerous jobs out there and deserve our respect and support. I believe that if a suspect is resisting arrest, acting dangerous or otherwise not complying that the police are completely justified in using force or calling back up in order to protect their own life. I believe that Michael Brown was advancing towards the Ferguson officer, who was justified in shooting him.
On the other hand, I also believe that part of the officers' job is to listen to the evidence available and part of that is listening to the story of the suspect. From the video I've seen, Eric Garner was not behaving in a threatening way and his death at the hands of the police was outrageous and represents extreme overreaction.
In other words, I don't think people have the right to threaten the police; police have the right to defend themselves against threats. But telling your side of the story is not a threat and should not result in death.
both, meaning I am both trying to be funny and trying to make a point. If we have learned anything about the police lately it is that you do not question them. You do what they say. You asnwer their questions. You speak when spoken to. If you disagree with what they are doing you do not take it up with them, you prove it in court. This is more important if you are black. Still important if you are a minority. Somewhat important if you are a white thug. Not quite so important if you are a regular white guy. Even less important, but apparently even still something to remember, if you are a white lady.
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bean29
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Post by bean29 on Jan 20, 2015 13:22:43 GMT -5
Sorry I'm being dense. Please 'splain.
BTW, I'm pretty hard core on this subject but probably in ways that don't totally agree with either of the traditional "sides." I think police have one of the toughest, most dangerous jobs out there and deserve our respect and support. I believe that if a suspect is resisting arrest, acting dangerous or otherwise not complying that the police are completely justified in using force or calling back up in order to protect their own life. I believe that Michael Brown was advancing towards the Ferguson officer, who was justified in shooting him.
On the other hand, I also believe that part of the officers' job is to listen to the evidence available and part of that is listening to the story of the suspect. From the video I've seen, Eric Garner was not behaving in a threatening way and his death at the hands of the police was outrageous and represents extreme overreaction.
In other words, I don't think people have the right to threaten the police; police have the right to defend themselves against threats. But telling your side of the story is not a threat and should not result in death.
both, meaning I am both trying to be funny and trying to make a point. If we have learned anything about the police lately it is that you do not question them. You do what they say. You asnwer their questions. You speak when spoken to. If you disagree with what they are doing you do not take it up with them, you prove it in court. This is more important if you are black. Still important if you are a minority. Somewhat important if you are a white thug. Not quite so important if you are a regular white guy. Even less important, but apparently even still something to remember, if you are a white lady. LOL, well our Family name is on a "Pillar" at the end of the driveway with some stone Sculptures. One of DD's Teachers asked if we were Italian Mafia types. You never know. Maybe she made a similar assumption. The last name is Portuguese. Common in Mexico and South America and Europe. My Dad used to mispronounce my last name as a famous Italian name. Maybe she thought we were gangster types. I can tell you that I did not do anything in anyway that would threaten a Police Officer.
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AgeOfEnlightenmentSCP
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Post by AgeOfEnlightenmentSCP on Jan 20, 2015 14:00:36 GMT -5
Paul, part of me is in agreement with you, but part of me is not. I don't think it is polite to address the lack of attendance after RSVP. It is on the person who RSVP'd and did not show up to apologize and give an explanation. If they do not, that does not mean no emergency came up, it could mean they don't want to involve you in their personal business.
I had two issues come up within a few day of each other. My lawyer is handling both. One is so insane he is handling it for free (it is minor but ridiculous). I still don't anticipate talking a lot about it b/c I find it somewhat embarrassing. I'm not going to pry into something that's none of my business. I still think you have a couple of choices- let it totally roll off, or confront the issue. I like to have things not go unaddressed. If the answer is, "None of your damn business" - that's fine.
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AgeOfEnlightenmentSCP
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Post by AgeOfEnlightenmentSCP on Jan 20, 2015 14:03:07 GMT -5
LOL, my DD asked for a family bowling party one year. Most of us only rarely bowl, but DH's family all showed up and had a good time. We used to do Chuckie Cheese when the kids were younger. Then we started to realize that other people were there to drink while their kids played and the other kids (not part of our group) were misbehaving and no one was supervising. There used to be a Chuckie Cheeses and a very good area of a desirable town here. The police were constantly called there for issues. I think the city shut it down. Wait!!! They serve alcohol at Chuckie Cheese?!?! For years I've been telling my kids hell to the no on going there, but this might change things. A complimentary bottle of Jack and a straw wouldn't change my mind about Chuckie Cheese.
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tloonya
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Post by tloonya on Jan 20, 2015 14:24:11 GMT -5
If those were McD's I would say you care. I used to be able to grub 20. And than (in about 10 min) wanting some more. Those were days... McDs would be cold by the time they got to my house. I served frozen Tyson. Well, if it was plenty than...you are CRAZY!!! BTW do you think my 20th was steaming hot? Think again.
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